The Greatest Roman Hoax - That Fooled EVERYONE

[@pwhitewick]

...ok, at least the name of the Mountain range is fake and should probably be called something else! But hey, I couldn't fit all that in.

[@KenFullman]

Would have been interesting to see more of the actual content of the hoax. Will you be doing any follow up videos to delve into the details?

[@pwhitewick]

@@KenFullman the issue is that the only sources I have are the main book I purchased. It doesn't make for a great video... its all itineries.

[@Joanna-il2ur]

It was called the Peaks in Old English.

[@selkie76]

I'm disappointed - I was looking forward to a shocking exposé detailing how the Romans had simply piled huge quantities of earth on a previously vast flatland. ^_~

[@conkadonk4976]

May Rory and his family be cursed for all time ✌️🕊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Bender24k]

I've learned more about your country from this channel than in all my prior years on this earth. Cheers from New York!

[@SoupieGuitar]

So have I, and I live in the UK 🤦‍♂️😆 lol

[@bl7355]

You are right. This channel is excellent. May I also recommend a BBC series named Coast! You will find it very much in the same vein.

[@Takedownairsoft1]

There’s actually a bit of London rubble from the blitz, used to help build one of the river banks in New York!

[@chrish5319]

Thank you, that was really excellent, loved the little elements like the rotating map, the puff of dust from the shoes, the voice over etc. They really make a difference to the overall feel. And it was an interesting story to tell.

[@pwhitewick]

You're very welcome!

[@peterchristian7885]

When you said Richard had to wait three years to get the copy of said manuscript I thought straightaway, That's roughly how long it would take to write/draw. good video thoroughly enjoyed it

[@pwhitewick]

100% that.

[@smallsleepyrascalcat]

Oh wow. The quality of your videos has reached a new high. This is so well done, and the work you put into it. I'm looking forward to the next one with antici...

[@pwhitewick]

🙏🙏🙏

[@barrydevonshire9749]

Really well produced. Just like the good documentaries the BBC used to produce. Thanks

[@SteamCrane]

"Used to"!

[@stalfithrildi5366]

​@@SteamCraneUsed to. Agreed.

[@SteamCrane]

@@stalfithrildi5366 Same in the US. Bought a good big screen a few years ago, unplugged it a couple years ago. Nothing to watch. Used to watch a lot of sports, until they stopped being sports.

[@vaiyt]

The way Bertram presents the document to Stukeley is like, textbook pseudoscience psychological manipulation. The tricks have changed nothing since then.

[@martinmarsola6477]

Another great trip back in time. I’m convinced you’ll figure out these puzzles left by history. Glad to see and Rebecca again. Cheers mates ❤❤😊😊

[@kevinbyrne4538]

3:25 -- De Situ Britanniae (On the Situation of Britain) by Richard of Cirencester 3:32 -- William Stukeley (1687 - 1765) 4:20 -- Charles Julius Bertram (1723-1765)

[@Hairnicks]

So interesting, loving your new format, so professional, lovely filming.

[@jackpayne4658]

Stukeley was a fascinating character. He lived at a perfect time for his enthusiasm to overreach his actual scholarship. An age of 'gentleman amateurs', whose creativity ranged from the ground-breaking to the delusional. Stukeley played a founding role in the 'rediscovery' (or reinvention) of the Druids as a magnet for historical fantasies of many kinds.

[@pwhitewick]

I am nicking that sentence. "...his enthusiasm to overreach his actual scholarship."

[@royfearn4345]

@@pwhitewickThe current British parliament is still half full of 'gentlemen amateurs'. They're not a total waste of space but anything they say should be taken with a considerable pinch of salt.

[@uingaeoc3905]

The current Druid movement is as big a fraud as the 'Knights Templars'.

[@chrisoneill3999]

Sort of like an eighteenth century Robert F Kennedy Jr.

[@uingaeoc3905]

@@chrisoneill3999 No - more like a Fauci.

[@niyanlan8928]

Such a gem of a channel - keep up the good work and thank you!

[@goldfish2379]

This is fabulous! Where has this channel been all my life?

[@pwhitewick]

Welcome. 🙏❤️

[@barrysteven5964]

I see Richard of Winchester/Cirencester wrote in Old Czech. 04:40 You live and you learn!! 😂

[@ajay-xjs]

I really love your camera work, the scenery makes me homesick!

[@Ralphieboy]

Don't forget the Sobieski-Stuart brothers' fictional Vestiarium Scoticum which is to a great extent responsible for the lore and traditions surrounding Scottish tartans to this day. It was totally lapped up by the credulous people of their day.

[@pwhitewick]

Ooooops

[@Joanna-il2ur]

I had a Row with someone on another channel, who said the Apennines were named after the Pennines or some such tosh. I patiently explained the as you have here and they went crazy. Similar is the Grampian mountains in Scotland. Tacitus refers to Mons Graupius in the Agricola. This may be the Mounth near Aberdeen. A medieval Italian cartographer rendered it as Mons Grampius, and the Grampians were named for a spelling error.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Bad spelling is one of Terry Pratchett's jokes - bear hunters would go up the tree-less Bear Mountain and cone back unsuccessfully..

[@stalfithrildi5366]

​@@neiloflongbeck5705i used to live in Bearwood which had Bears as iconography at all the events, etc. It meant the cleared wood in Early English.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@stalfithrildi5366 probably named before the invention of spelling and a real world example of Pratchett's joke.

[@ellieplantagenet9121]

Not he first spelling error, or perceived spelling error to be immortalized. Nome, Alaska purportedly gained that name from a scrawl by a cartographer next to an unidentified location. "Name?" became printed as "Nome", and so it is to this day.

[@andrewashdown3541]

I gave up waiting for you to cut to the chase and get to the point ... the internet waits for no-one

[@pennybunny]

I gave up as well. Obvious click bait video

[@ChrisWar666]

You couldn't wait 5 minutes for some history and background? Yikes, you kiss are going to have trouble at school when you go!

[@andrewashdown3541]

@@ChrisWar666 I giss so

[@LAMF24]

As a former North Pennines resident, I used to call the North Pennines the North Pennines.

[@calebwright6151]

Another fine production from the Whitewick team.... Very interesting & informative... Well done Paul & Rebecca.. As always looking forward to the next amazing production.. Bravo..

[@Nastyswimmer]

The "Grampius/Grampium" error is a bit more complex than that - Tacitus actually named the mountain and battle site as "Mons Graupius" (with two 'u's). The error in the 1476 print was to change the second 'u' to 'm' - "Grampius". Presumably Stukeley compounded this by also changing the 's'.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks for clarifying.

[@philipclark8307]

I always enjoy your vids, thank you. However, I am a little confused , in what way are the Pennines a hoax?

[@nikiTricoteuse]

Oh, thank goodness l'm not the only one. Got to the end of the video wondering the same thing but, thought it was just me being distracted.

[@BarbaryCorsair]

Same here

[@davie941]

hello again Paul and Rebecca, this was so interesting , really well done and thank you 😊😍

[@fredericomba]

Thanks for this video. It's always useful to have more examples of people deliberately trying to corrupt memory so that we may raise our guards.

[@JelMain]

It's always a fine line in research, particularly when different versions of history exist - the British take on Agincourt is the redacted version left after the Tudor censors focused on glorification of Gloriana and England, erasing everything in a wider context such as the HRE's need to unite Christendom against the Ottoman threat to their eastern holdings, whence the Council of Constance, which fought off every effort to hijack the Church agenda. Firstly Jan Hus was burned at the stake, then the French were disposed of - the "starving army" is BS, Henry had his fleet offshore and was headed into Flemish Burgundy, his allies. The result is a secondary sources only view of history controlled by the "experts" who've not had a new thought in their lives. The Agincourt comment is a part of wider study which has the Dan Brown nonsense using it as cred, via his sources, the Baigent Holy Blood fuss rooted in Plantard's Priory of Sion conspiracy theory - which itself sowed the seeds for the WEF conspiracy theorists. I was caught up in the Millennium Apocalypticists fuss, as part of this - which makes life hard when you're in the area.

[@graceygrumble]

The study of anything and everything has always been hampered by bell-ends.

[@th60of]

I don't quite get the Grampius thing. In the document shown it says Ad montem Grampium. Since ad requires the accusative case, Grampium is perfectly fine, isn't it?

[@RobEJC]

Excellent video. Video work and production tell great tales with good use of static imagery.

[@JohnDlugosz]

Opening- "no maps of Scotland" That reminds me of an episode of the original _Connections_ with James Burke. As I recall, it was the invention of a powerful chemical light source that allowed accurate surveys to be made in the fog and persistent hazy air.

[@PeterBishop-np3ny]

As always Paul tells a great story extremely well

[@rdstedall]

What a great short film! Keep up the good work

[@Flymochairman1]

Fantastic article altogether. That sort of depth of reading does hold me enthrawled. Thank you Paul and Rebecca. Cheers!

[@austinhallmark7060]

Thanks

[@pwhitewick]

Thank you.

[@familylife3624]

Really liked this one Paul , great bit of historical facts and research well done 😊

[@pwhitewick]

Many thanks

[@shirleylynch7529]

Fascinating stuff. Really interesting. Thank you Paul. You never cease to entertain us.

[@mackenziefan5019]

An additional minim was placed alongside the two minims which made the first 'u' in Graupius creating the word "Grampius". It is from this mis-spelling that we get the "Grampian Mountains" of Northern Scotland.

[@nilo70]

Thank you for making this wonderful episode ! It was educational and entertaining ! Cheers From California 😊

[@pwhitewick]

Our pleasure!

[@billmmckelvie5188]

Well that'll go down well here in Yorkshire! I don't see how anyone living on a billiard table can say that our hills are fake! Even the French wanted to ride our Pennines in the 2014 Tour de France. If the name Pennines is fake we Tykes get to rename them, and the name will probably be t' Dales! 😅

[@SteveW139]

The Lancashire Dales! 😀

[@benholroyd5221]

I vote for 'ee ups and downs'

[@jenniferharrison4319]

🤣🤣 from rival Lancashir. We share them too

[@micksherman7709]

Very interesting but why does he pronounce Bertram as Beitram?

[@jbodden6977]

HALFWAY THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE CLOCK AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS... BYE.

[@harriehausenman8623]

Why the audio shutter-effect?

[@biggles50405]

Yet another great production, a great tale of misguided writings of experts that is still happening today in many areas of science and archaeology. I did fear that you might have an unwanted visitor when sat in the heath-land from an Adder though 🤨 Always look forward to your videos each week, thanks for another.

[@pwhitewick]

Ah yes, I did keep my eyes peeled.

[@mzaliwa]

Paul seems to have taken a very strange route as he delivered his most interesting lecture. Starting on Iping Common and then via Linch Ball on the South Downs Way before descending the steps on Maysleith Hanger. Then suddenly we are back at Milland Church and Tuxlith Chapel at the top of the steps. Then it's back to Iping and the mansio, And was there a bit of Chapelcommon too? recording all the sections of the talk in logical order shows a mastery of logistics, Well done!

[@apuldram]

Thanks for Maysleith Hanger, dint know that one 😅

[@jimharris8854]

Awesome video, I've been looking for more details on this recently, and this is way beyond my dreams! Maybe one day we will find the Roman name for Irchester. Isannavitia is a possibility...

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Jim

[@tussk.]

There was a scholar that visited the area I grew up in, where there had a large Roman presence, as well as along history of druids and other pagan religious groups, all of whom had left thier mark. He was very excited because he had what he claimed was an ancient document, containing a map, that re-wrote the entire history of the West of Scotland. He wanted to unearth the druidic altar that had been buried there to preserve it, but his request was denied, mainly because the map named the country as Caledonia and was clearly a fake, likely produced in the early 20th century. He slunk away with his tail between his legs, and his wallet considerably lighter. A moments research would have shown him that what he had was fraudulent, but in his excitement and hubris, he never thought to check his source. I suspect that Stukeley fell for the same scam, and for the same reasons.

[@WC21UKProductionsLtd]

Very enjoyable telling of a story I’d forgotten. Bit of a fan of Stukeley, although he messed up big time on this one! Thanks for putting so much effort into your Roman-based content.

[@maverickdisco4036]

Another fascinating piece of our history. Keep up the good work.

[@sam1812seal]

I can almost hear my very Welsh Latin master telling off someone about 2nd declension nouns. Grampius boy, not Grampium! It’s a name so it’s nominative not accusative! (Yes, Monty Python’s Life of Brian Latin lesson was very close to the truth)

[@richieixtar5849]

Very interesting and extremely well orated Paul, Thank you both, worth waiting till Sunday for :)

[@pwhitewick]

Our pleasure!

[@pbcanal1]

Dr, Karen Gray from Maryland coined the phrase of Zombie History. It is when bad history is accepted as fact and then becomes the standard source for others down the line.

[@ellieplantagenet9121]

In this country, it's called the "History Channel".

[@pbcanal1]

@@ellieplantagenet9121 No kidding. I used to follow the history channel and accept that what they were showing was somewhat accurate. Then they showed a doc about the Erie Canal (which I know a lot about) that was so badly done that I realized I was wrong and to question everything they show.

[@bobsrailrelics]

Wonderfully researched as usual and beautifully shot.

[@RogerThat2021]

Great episode this week guys . A+

[@dilwyn1]

This is going to be great !!

[@Cody-zd2ye]

In Blackpool lancs we have a hill called warbreck hill it is sometimes known as beacon hill .it turns out that the Romans had a beacon fire to warn surrounding areas of a Viking attack.

[@Joanna-il2ur]

Romans: 55BC to 410AD. Vikings in Britain 797AD to 1042. As someone said, zombie history. Beacons were widely used for centuries. You’ll find some are called Toot hills or tut hills (London has a Tuthill Fields, for example). When James VI of Scotland inherited the thrones of England and Ireland in 1603, the signal was sent to Edinburgh by beacon fires.

[@antonioveritas]

​@@Joanna-il2urMaybe the Vikings never invaded while the Romans were here because the beacons kept them away! 😂

[@Joanna-il2ur]

@@antonioveritas not only were there no Vikings, there was no Denmark.

[@antonioveritas]

@@Joanna-il2ur So no Danish bacon in those days?!

[@Joanna-il2ur]

@@antonioveritas double underlined

[@notmozart1]

Great video and well explained as always!!Thank you.

[@steveparkinson8887]

Awesome, so glad you've slowed down and concentrated..... Didnt batrum have a cousin who had a liason with stukely, maybe a reason??

[@pwhitewick]

Oooooh.... did he now???

[@richardrozmanowski8753]

Your enthusiasm, energy and thirst for knowledge is very enjoyable to watch. Why do you think the local population not adopt the Roman way of life?

[@barrieshepherd7694]

Paul one of you best insight videos and many thanks for the research and work putting it together. You passion for maps is fantastic.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks 👍

[@michaelhaywood8262]

I have thought of the possibility that they were called the Pennines by Romans serving on Hadrians Wall after the much higher Apennines in Italy. In spite of the more modest height of the English range and the colder climate, they may have made up the name to mind them of home. Hadrian's Wall bisects the northern Pennines.

[@richardland9668]

This might be interesting you know it’s Orkney was named Pomona by the Romans… although translates as the island of soft fruit they may not actually got there, just new of it’s existence…

[@pwhitewick]

How curious. I wonder why they thought "soft fruit". Goddess of fruit! Same as the town in california and an island in Manchester.b

[@Escapee5931]

Are bilberries found in Orkney? They're common in upland areas on the mainland.

[@Joanna-il2ur]

The Romans called them the Orcades.

[@VoidLantadd]

You know someone's a KZbin OG when they call the description the "dooblydoo"

[@leonardjackman354]

Look forward to your videos on a Sunday.

[@MyTv-]

Excellent video, this is YT at its best! Love the expression, “a fabricated truth”.

[@scotbotvideos]

Superb documentary, Paul and Rebecca.

[@ruben_balea]

1747: Lots of Roman places nobody heard of before, it has to be true because I read it in a manuscript... 2012: Alan MacMasters invented the electric toaster, it has to be true because I read it on the Wikipedia...

[@TheROLLER1953]

Roy was a rogue

[@t.vanoosterhout233]

Another wonderful glimpse into the past. Question: has it been possible to separate the fake from the actually useful work of Stukeley?

[@cejannuzi]

According to the History Times website: The latter, occupying the modern Peak District, was better land than in the north, and was probably the main base of the 'Kings of the Pennines' while the territory remained undivided. The name 'Pennines' probably derives from the Celtic 'penn' which means 'mountain', or 'summit' (literally 'head'). The name was also applied to the Apennines in Italy, perhaps by the Celtic inhabitants of its northern reaches. The name would have been formed as 'penn-inus', meaning that it certainly originates in the pre-Anglo-Saxon domination of the region.

[@pwhitewick]

Fascinating, thank you. Most of my research for this came from the Roman Road Research Association. I shall pass this on

[@Dilbert-o5k]

One of the big seats of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms at the time was Repton (Mercia) which is in modern terms just south of the white peak or peak district (according to taste) on the flatter planes of the Trent valley.it had a fair bit of viking attention as well. So much so that even Megan Fox of transformers fame came to Repton to do an investigative TV programme there. I came for Megan Fox, but stayed for the content , as it was surprisingly interesting from a historical point of view. Iirc nearby Lichfield was also a bit shot back in the day. I don't know if any of this is relevant, I am just following on from the last post.

[@antonioveritas]

Nice to see Rebecca at the end! Since the channel is called "Paul and Rebecca " it would be nice to see more of her if possible? You two work best as a team. I especially like Rebecca's facial expressions in response to what Paul is saying! 😂

[@pwhitewick]

We enjoy the mix at the moment. :-)

[@antonioveritas]

@@pwhitewick Or maybe Rebecca could present, and Paul could pull faces?! 😉

[@sugarnads]

Thirsty

[@andykopgod]

Fascinating paul, great video m8 💪👏

[@trevorkent7916]

Yet again another well put together video.

[@hainanbob6144]

And today it is even easier to fool the world, just use the internet. Not aimed at you two, Paul and Rebecca, I trust you implicitly! Great video, as always, thanks.

[@davidtomsett]

Is that Ashdown Forest?

[@davee430]

that was fascinating and excellently presented. Thank you

[@Sim0nTrains]

Really interesting story, great video

[@davidberlanny3308]

Excellent video, really enjoyed watching, well done!!

[@pwhitewick]

Thank you very much!

[@davidfowler4741]

Is Bertram really pronounced "Baytrum" ?

[@chrisstephens6673]

Got to love a good hoax, the social media are full of them these days!😅

[@jonathanrichards593]

Two Rs in Bertram, see 12:26, unless this is one of those eccentric English pronunciations, like Featherstonehaugh...

[@pwhitewick]

Ah yes, missed that!

[@northof-62]

Thank you - I was puzzled too.

[@lindamccaughey6669]

Loved that thanks, so very interesting. Please take care

[@markmanning2921]

So what is the real name for the pennines? lol We would always say if you could not see them it was because it was raining and that if you could see them it was going to rain :P

[@stephenleighton6349]

You have said nowt !

[@jonathandorr2234]

I tune in out of curiosity. My Greatest, grand father, 16x generation, from 1580-90, was a friend , of the queen, who ‘had no heirs, and sustained 14 attempts on her life. He sent his sons, and so forth to be the 1st ,3 governors of ‘The Massa-choose-its Bay Colony, in 1632. Robert Dudley from Leister-Shire,a ‘land’ owner, involved in sheep’s wool, and concerned for England future.🤔

[@oneteaminbristolbcfc]

Thanks for this

[@mancroft]

Hence the expression 'Roman in the gloman'.

[@paulsengupta971]

So what should be call them? Geoff?

[@pwhitewick]

Dave

[@swtelfer1]

Excellent production and fascinating story

[@MikeRodger]

Fascinating Paul. Thanks

[@endamurphy1281]

Excellent presentation …. Engaging and informative …

[@CasparAremi]

8:34 I've commented on other videos before but they're usually new... this one just popped up for me on KZbin so I watched it over lunch. You pronounce the very village I am from in this video, but it is so wrong I wasn't even sure it was what you were saying, except I knew the most northernmost roman fort was local! Cawdor is pronounced coh-dir, but quickly as one syllable. You say it almost like cow-door. But you're in good company - it is the castle which Shakespeare's Macbeth starts in, I just saw David Tenant mispronounce it repeatedly on stage in London too.

[@andrewashdown3541]

Pseuds corner .. everyone is a self-made histor-antiquary now, from Oliver 'caveman' Neil to Dan the Pisstory Man

[@deanbutler1467]

So, what should the Pennines be called? What did the Romans call that range of hills? What would a Londoner have called them, before the hoax? An interesting video but left me wanting more!

[@pwhitewick]

Wanting more.... perfect. 🙂

[@deanbutler1467]

@@pwhitewick Looking forward to the follow-up video!

[@MrGreatplum]

It seems that Stukely was largely an honourable man but I think he was probably naive and wanting to believe in this hoax - it seems many others did too. Very interesting tale!

[@pwhitewick]

I believe in most cases he was punching above his weight, at least trying to. His enthusiasm was not matched with his scholarship.

[@grahambandy6067]

The emperors new clothes....or book in this case!!

[@davebinsweden]

Excellent! Really enjoyed this one.

[@pwhitewick]

Many thanks!

[@Jimyjames73]

4Th to Comment!!! - Who helped you in this video with the Voice over??? I like the way you did that!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂

[@pwhitewick]

Matthew Evan Jones. (Google him!).

[@philiptownsend4026]

It sounded like the historian (Robin?) from of early Time Teams. But it can't have been as he died.

[@QALibrary]

you could write an masters on this subject

[@pwhitewick]

After this research session, I feel like I could!

[@Old_Sod]

Great work. Standard.

[@robertscriven602]

I think I know where your wanderings were making this video. Were you at Chapel Common, and St Luke's church?

[@mothmagic1]

Ordnance Survey are still the best maps of Britain are still the best available.

[@peterweeks2066]

Yes. Google maps etc. are rubbish in rural areas for showing names of farms etc

[@NSBarnett]

Bertram? Baytram? Spelt Bertram but pronounced Baytram? Any particular reason for that pronunciation, Paul?

[@pwhitewick]

Largely because my pronunciation is shocking. At best!

[@billyskoda6839]

The heathland looks familiar to me...