Pyrocynical's Accidental (?) Petscop Plagiarism

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AJ-The-Bumblebee

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@AJ-The-Bumblebee 7 ай бұрын

BTW if your comment is obvious cope, it's getting deleted.

@llynxfyre 8 ай бұрын

Lynx here. I helped AJ with the research on this video. I'm glad it came out well. If I were to make an addendum to the meta-narrative point it would be this. In my opinion what makes the line a smoking gun is its placement in Pyrocynical's video. He makes his version of the argument when he breaks after analysing the first 3 episodes of the letsplay to give his thoughts on petscop as a whole. Suspiciously, Stockdale originally made the argument in the final thoughts section of his first video, after analysing the first 3 episodes of the letsplay. I don’t think a structural parallel like this can be ignored, especially with the shared language of the argument. It happens again with the final thoughts section of Stockdale'a second video, after he analyses episodes 4-6. Here, Stockdale makes the argument about Paul making progress in the game to seek information. Pyro makes the same argument in a break after analysing episodes 4-6. I don't think this could have happened by accident. Thanks for allowing me to be a part of this project. I had a lot if fun researching and going back and forth with you. I hope this allows nmc to get the credit he deserves. As we say down here in Australia, cheers mate.

@NY-jj1rh 8 ай бұрын

God, fucking finally. I've been annoyed about this ever since I first watched Pyro's video. Considering that by his own admission, a deep-dive analysis video like that wasn't typical of his content, it always kind of seemed to me like he was using Masterclass' videos as an easy way to 'try on' that genre like a costume. In the years since, seing all the "Petscop 2" jokes on every other video made about the series has been immensely frustrating, especially when I always suspected that the real reason it never materialized may have been because, as you suggested, he was hesitant to try his luck a second time

@mishakastrilevich 8 ай бұрын

You successfully walked the line between showing that Pyro plagiarized and acknowledging that this is only one example, giving him the benefit of the doubt. That's a good thing. A longer video looking at all his videos would yield more interesting results, but as you mentioned, that wasn't the point of the video. I'll be sure to check out Nightmare Masterclass.

@Lux_Ferox 8 ай бұрын

6:18 God, hearing him try to explain what he doesn't understand is so hard to listen to lol.

@birchwwolf 8 ай бұрын

imagine if that theoretical Part 2 plagiarized NMMC's sociopolitical scene-setting and analysis without realizing how off-brand he would have sounded, lmao

@Lux_Ferox 8 ай бұрын

I legitimately don't believe Pyrocynical would be able to fully comprehend NMMC's analysis of Petscop.

@honeytealeaves 8 ай бұрын

i’ve been thinking this exact thing for years but could never find anybody corroborating it!!! thank you for doing what i couldn’t do!!!!!!

@maximillion322 8 ай бұрын

As a fan of both creators (somewhat.. I’ve never been a huge Pyro fan but I’ve been watching Nightmare Masterclass since 2017) I really think that there’s a certain level of saturation of talking points about a certain topic across KZbin and that saying something like “oh he noticed the things in Petscop in the same order that… the Petscop videos have them.” It’s kinda like, yeah? Pyro didn’t bring a whole lot of original material to the table but at the end of the day they’re both analyzing the same material, and their value comes more from their different styles of presentation than anything else. I love Nightmare Masterclass but his Petscop series is long and slow paced and while it’s perfect to fall asleep to (as is most of his content, which is something I sincerely love about it) I find Pyro’s video to be a better way for me as a viewer to actually absorb the information since it’s about 2/3 the length (still long as hell, but not as long) and faster paced and presented in Pyro’s upbeat tone rather than Stockdale’s low and slow ASMR-like voice.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

If he didn't bring in a lot of original content, and also did not clarify that is what he was doing, then it's plagiarism. From NMMC or otherwise. We aren't discussing the quality of the individual videos, we're talking about him stealing ideas and observations.

@ikheetdaan 8 ай бұрын

@@AJ-The-Bumblebee i somewhat agree, but observations are just that, just pointing out what is shown. And so i think this is moreso seeing others observations and explaining it them your own way. But you cant do that without observations and tip toeing around other peoples observationsisnt feasible

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

@@ikheetdaan Taking someone's observations and saying them in your own way, is still plagiarism. I literally say that in the video.

@Scalloops 8 ай бұрын

Thank fuck I got bullied off Reddit for pointing this out when his video came out

@AniematedSteph 8 ай бұрын

HAHA PYRO WHERE IS PETSCOP 2 I AM SO FUNNY THIS JOKE DEFINITELY DIDN'T BECOME UNFUNNY OVER 4 YEARS AGO IT IS LOVED BY LONG TIME PETSCOP FANS

@aven7876 8 ай бұрын

totally unrelated to the topic but your persona is litreally so awesome looks really fun to draw 😭

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

Aw thank you!

@pezdispenser8397 8 ай бұрын

Well I’m glad someone actually pointed this out lmao

@smugbowkid9919 8 ай бұрын

I disagree… somewhat. Full disclosure, I have been a fan of Pyro’s for a while, so it’s fine to disregard this as biased. I think that Pyro’s Petscop video didn’t take directly from Masterclass, but from the community as a whole. Like you pointed out with the triangle sign thing, he injected his own theories into the video, but they were peppered in amongst something else- the community’s. A large part of the Petscop video is him just stating the popular theory’s there were at the time, because Petscop wasn’t really popular itself, and so all he did was organize and make it into a video that was entertaining to watch. I do think he watched Masterclass’ videos on it, because there are some parts where he says things in a similar manner, but a lot of the clips in here felt like just things you’d point out in any video trying to analyze Petscop. Petscop was essentially a springboard for Pyro to start making more personal longform content, and so as such it isn’t that creative itself- it’s built on the general consensus’s the community had at the time. And I think that’s also why Pyro hasn’t made a sequel- because that would just be summarizing the newfound theories that have come from it, and his newer longform content is less like that (sometimes). That’s all. Nice video nonetheless.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

Plagiarism is plagiarism. At the very least, he credited the petscop doc when he covered wildly known theories. He did not do that with NMMC, ever.

@kingrat4250 8 ай бұрын

admitting to being a fan of a guy who does furry fart roleplay with minors is quite a look.

@DAVINACANIS 8 ай бұрын

wtf i didn't know it was with minors 😭 i don't watch him anyway but that's fucked up (cuz like i was willing to let the fetish stuff slide bc yk some ppl just have those even if i don't understand it but that's fucking gross)

@parasect5130 8 ай бұрын

you're muddying the waters. if you get into the specifics like AJ did, you will see that this is a clear case of plagiarism. he even uses the same idiosyncratic phrases (for example, "conduit" and "we the viewers." these are little quirks that nightmare has! there are many very specific points that nightmare made, which were directly lifted from his videos. the somebody/one distinction is the smoking gun if you ask me. nightmare was the first to point it out, and it's central to their whole analysis of petscop. it's about dehumanization. that was directly taken from nightmare's vid. if you watch other youtuber's coverage, they will either not make those same points, or credit nightmare because they have integrity. shout out to sagan hawkes!

@smugbowkid9919 8 ай бұрын

@@AJ-The-Bumblebee That’s fair. I doubt he’ll ever acknowledge this again, because of how long it’s been. But I do see your point.

@parasect5130 8 ай бұрын

I noticed this immediately when pyro's video came out. Glad someone is finally calling attention to it.

@TheBritColl 8 ай бұрын

I’d call this highly derivative and deserving of credit but not a direct copy

@endless3cho 8 ай бұрын

A. K. A. Plagiarism.

@MelvinAfraid666 8 ай бұрын

sounds like a pedantic distinction

@TheHackersboss 8 ай бұрын

I see Pyro's vid as a bite sized intro to the series. No harm in that. Besides, it was 2017 Pyro, far cry from his quality now. That being said, he could've at least directed viewers to the full analysis.

@404maxnotfound 8 ай бұрын

Also I always felt like pyros video on entrpy zero 2 was 'inspired' by Lucias video on entrpy zero 2. As for this video the strongest argument is the comparing the brightness level of the characters which I think was pretty unique to nightmare analysis video everything else was in the video was rather very surface level arguments anyone could come up with including pyro. That being said I don't think this is enough to claim plagiarism, we would need more evidence of him copying scripts.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 7 ай бұрын

Plagiarism is characterized by stealing ideas and passing them off as your own, not by copy and pasting. And I've made very clear these can't be just surface level observations, especially with this many examples.

@RufflesThe2nd 8 ай бұрын

I had seen both pyros video and NM's videos before but never realized how similar they were, very strange

@duncancreamer8251 8 ай бұрын

Would the videos not both structured similarly because the petscop series is chronological? And not to give either side shit but the observations made in the petscop analysis video aren’t deep they’re extremely surface level which i’m not saying is a bad thing but it makes coming to the same conclusions really not that far fetched.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

Then why do other Petscop videos that also go chronologically not sound like NMMC, whereas Pyro's does?

@duncancreamer8251 8 ай бұрын

@@AJ-The-Bumblebee Haven’t looked at any other petscop videos so i wouldn’t be able to tell you! but i will check them out! :)

@MelvinAfraid666 8 ай бұрын

It's not just that the videos are structured in a similar way. If it were merely a handful of similar observations, I would dismiss it as coincidental. But there are frequent and oddly specific similarities that no other video on the topic has. The format, the observations themselves, the deductions made from those observations, and the analytical points, as well as the thematic analysis, all show undeniable parallels. And they're not surface level! No one else caught the sign changing from "somebody" to "one!" I was working on the progress doc, and that certainly wasn't in there. I remember this blowing my mind at the time because it's so subtle and creepy. It's a blink and you'll miss it type thing. At a certain point, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. I think it's safe to say it's a duck! This is one of the more blatant attempts at plagiarism I've seen in the petscop community.

@uniquegamer1283 8 ай бұрын

Yap!

@ShanI3lade 8 ай бұрын

Really good video, seeing nightmare masterclass were indeed a masterclass, although I don't agree with the interpretation of capitalism. Glad you brought me back into watching petscop. Got a sub here

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

I never mentioned capitalism?

@isofaux7570 8 ай бұрын

I assume you're replying to David Stockdale?

@ShanI3lade 8 ай бұрын

@@AJ-The-Bumblebee I meant NMs later interpretations of petscop which focused on that topic.

@ChrisBrown-si1vg 8 ай бұрын

Wow. About as damning as anything from HBomberGuy's video.

@nyssalikesbugs 8 ай бұрын

your voice is a little annoying so its hard to focus on what you are saying but this is a great video

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

Thank...You?

@Awesometurtle666 8 ай бұрын

But they both said they got alot of info from reddit and the text doc. The doc alone is basically structured like both videos. And thoae were worked on for months before both videos.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

And I didn't include stuff that was common knowledge in the Petscop doc for this reason. But the similar wording, the same conclusions, the same observations that were unique to Stockdale, were the ones I did include.

@thecolorpurple4807 8 ай бұрын

I mean he probably did it for the views at the time, kinda like he did with Leafy. Not an excuse though, it’s still gonna be a soul steal. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5SxaqOhaM-nersfeature=shared

@llynxfyre 8 ай бұрын

Lol this is probably the place I'd least expect a Brad Taste in Music reference. Well played.

@thecolorpurple4807 8 ай бұрын

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@monki.gaming8457 8 ай бұрын

I think this is a good attempt to discredit him, but even if this is true it wouldn’t make sense since he now has things like iron lung or utopia vids, he clearly does put immense research and effort into his videos now, and while if this is true it would hurt a little to know, you cannot refute his current effort and skill.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

Oh man, I should've mentioned in the video that I figured this was a one time thing and he did decide to quietly get better, but it's still shit he never gave proper credit. Oh wait. I did.

@parasect5130 8 ай бұрын

why are you assuming this is an attempt to discredit pyro? the intention is clearly to advocate for him to CREDIT PEOPLE FOR THEIR WORK.

@TheBritColl 8 ай бұрын

Wait serious question… you didn’t not link the original videos…. Please link all the sources in the description to be accurate.. thanks

@llynxfyre 8 ай бұрын

kzbin.info/aero/PL66V-u4b7Z8BkYl59qLV5-6N3FkxTG0Pw&si=GeguWjIU5ocIoeNu first 3 videos in this playlist kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpPJn3aDnbOSsNksi=QIhDYMrN4txuSW-T pyro's video

@AaronLoving 8 ай бұрын

Get his ass

@TheBritColl 8 ай бұрын

I can’t tell exactly but I hope pyro responds

@realtalk1800 8 ай бұрын

Commenting for the algorithm.

@scumshine2351 8 ай бұрын

oh wow smh

@crackhouse_slag 8 ай бұрын

"the placements being in the same area" its almost like there covering the things in the order that happen in the series. good video, theres 100% some digging on pyrocynical that needs to be done on his part, but like dude, "simmilar placements" is bullshit reasoning.

@AJ-The-Bumblebee 8 ай бұрын

I said it's "eyebrow raising" in regards to everything else. I never used that as an argument for his plagiarism. In fact, there were a dozen examples of him doing this that Lynx gave me. And I annexed those comparisons for this very reason.

@llynxfyre 8 ай бұрын

Go watch other videos about petscop. Despite them covering the same content, the structure of the videos are distinct and cover the topic differently. The same can't be said about these two videos.