QING - How to START as the STRONGEST Economy by Winning the Opium Wars & Solving Unemployment

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[@generalistgaming]

Variance is a cruel mistress - one should be able to do this strategy and get better results with than I. Rip the Jingoist. Such a cruel fate to die so young.

[@aaron2u243]

I've started avoiding using any general/admiral I have who is also an IG leader (who I don't want to die) because I think it increases the likelihood that they die younger. Not sure if there's a direct connection (outside of actually dying in battle), but it seems like it should matter. Likewise, if there's someone I want to die... I just keep sending them into every battle. The latter has worked once for me :D

[@flamethrower200]

Could you do a video on how to deal with the heavenly kingdom and preventing its rise. I think thats the second biggest issue with china after early game is dealt with

[@sharukh11]

You can also try reloading autosave of that month, they dont always die :D

[@generalistgaming]

@@sharukh11 I could, but I'd rather just suffer a worse save and a worse run (sometimes) than the comments complaining about me birding.

[@generalistgaming]

@@flamethrower200 honestly I don't know this event super well - I know keeping things on an even keel and not revving will avoid it, or that's been my experience. But, 1.3 not revving is a bit harder so maybe I should update my experiences on that.

[@bmobmo6438]

One trick for the Opium Wars that I've found is to declare it yourself as a liberate subject play against the East India Company, and include British war reps and recognition. Sounds crazy, I know, but in my experience having the front in Tibet makes Britain not bother naval invading in China. You can naval invade Singapore as usual, then hire 2 extra admirals and do the multi naval invasion trick to get a beachhead in South Bengal, then just defend both fronts. Your convoys will get raided to hell but you have the population to not care about the attrition in South Bengal, and if they push you out just invade again. In my several runs using this trick Britain has never naval invaded in China, never bothered to retake Singapore and rarely even pushed into Tibet. They just sit there and do nothing until they capitulate, causing India to splinter into a dozen unrecognized regional powers ripe for the taking and getting me recognition by 1840.

[@generalistgaming]

This was the idea behind trying to goad Sikh/Portugal into joining, and is probably reasonable/better than my approach. I thought about releasing/transferring the EIC too, but decided I wanted to leave the save on the discord a little bit more sandboxy.

[@exaris1989]

@@generalistgaming You can force Portugal to join by attacking UK first, they have defensive pact at the start of a game. So get opium war event and immediately declare war on Britain for recognition, park everyone on the Portugal's front and naval invade unprotected colonies.

[@ka1ock]

The same reason Brazil is easy. They share a border with great Britain. You are safe from naval invasions.

[@LuckyIrish]

This worked for me flawlessly, thank you!

[@mahdidiehard]

​@@generalistgaming does someone please explain me why everyone want get recognized as qing or even in other countries? there is no important rewards , just couple of more interest and such. which i get interest through pupating nations in different regions. In fact, if you are not even a recognized power, some places are in your favor. You can keep the influence rate high by placing rivals in weak countries. Weak countries have a low level of interest in different regions and in your diplomatic plays, they do not stand on the side of the country you attack. If they have interest in areas where you have a diplomatic play, they usually don't stand up against China with its large army. And if they turn against you, you will be welcomed as China, and you can get points from that country too. The high rate of influenza, which is obtained through placing numerous rivals in small and weak countries, can do two things for you. First, they easily give you a -25% infamy decay buff (which allows you to conquer or pop the world more). And secondly, you can improve your relations with superpowers and even have trade agreements or alliances with them. In this way, due to your good relations with the superpowers, you reduce the possibility of negative orientation in your diplomatic plays. If you join the great powers, the problem is that you have to choose between 4 or 5 other great powers to increase your influence (usually 2 is more than enough). And I get tired of seeing that I have to worry about the superpowers (who are angry with me because I made them a rival) for my every diplomatic play. And I don't have to worry about my convoys and proper peace with rival great power while my army is still uncompetitive compared to the Western powers. and even if my army is competitive and strong compare to great powers , still i want to avoid clashing to them while puppeting Congo As China, around 1890 and above, I remove China from unrecognized power and become great power. I heard that in Victoria 2, a proper reward system was designed for being a great power in the world, and in the next updates of Victoria 3, Paradox is trying to get the same rewards for being a great power. Do you agree with my view or not? If you do not agree, please tell me your reasons.

[@snelhestarna]

I really appreciate the guide, Qing is one of my favourite nations to play, although i usually just avoid the Opium War and eat the negatives until i have Line Infantry(and a stronger military). At which point GB usually leaves me alone. But i will have to try this strategy (Or possibly the EIC variation that was mentioned in another comment.). You are definitly still the best Victoria 3 content creator on YT, these guides are so useful.

[@KayKusoden]

The amount of information you get before starting to every video, about each province is unrealisticaly great.

[@generalistgaming]

Thank you!

[@christianfelipedossantossi378]

I kbow thats early, but an series would be awsome

[@generalistgaming]

Strongly considering a vote off between the HRE, Japan, and Qing start to see which one people want to see continued, but Ik my viewers only want one thing...

[@billyjuegos]

​@@generalistgamingwhat is it?

[@christianfelipedossantossi378]

@@billyjuegos is Japan, his play with received an enormous amount more of viewers than other countries

[@billyjuegos]

@@christianfelipedossantossi378 oh Japan I agree

[@christianfelipedossantossi378]

​​@billyjuegos normally his videos receive aroud 1,2k ans 1,6k viewers, but his run with japan received 8k in 9 days,

[@abdulpadela4738]

A tip I’ve found helpful - if you have a great defensive general (I believe one of the Chinese generals has stalwart defender which is a +10 defense and ungodly helpful) you can guarantee they defend every time by having them be the only general taking the defend action and setting the rest of your generals to attack. It’s manpower intensive since you know most of your army is being fed to the meat grinder but for the opium wars it’s really helpful to make sure only my best defensive general is defending

[@CCLethe]

Honestly, I think high casualties are good for Qing. Too many unemployed

[@julian9241]

You cant keep up with the casualties to remove 2mill unemployed and like 2billion peasants💀

[@lukasbaumgartner5493]

Always makes me laugh, how you react/incorporate the outside noises. Appreciate your wit and zen vibes. Cheers!

[@generalistgaming]

I appreciate that!

[@rafael_moreira]

Thank you, generalist. This vassal brazil technique is great! Just followed your steps up until winning the opium war and now im gonna venture on my own.

[@generalistgaming]

It is quite strong for non-europeans in particular, as Brazil will not siphon off your pops

[@linkhidalgogato]

you only lose territory on offensive battles when the front is over enemy territory, so in here 46:00 pushing into them just delays them more

[@dallastruxal6775]

At 44:45 where you were wondering why they weren’t pushing if it was a bug. The front was already in a battle.

[@generalistgaming]

Ah, that makes sense. Didn't visually see it. Also it didn't prevent me from swapping all my generals (like it often does) but that was because it was someone else's general in combat.

[@batughanuzun]

Hell yeahh! This is my favourite nation and this guide will help me so much! Currently running a GB run but after that i will go for a GQ run

[@OvidusNaso]

I'm very excited to watch this video later, but if I may suggest something, I would love to see you do a less conquest-contingent game than your usual blob games. Something like Luxurious Luxembourg, but without taking land in South Africa, Mexico, Dongbei, etc, as far as possible. You often mention strategies for manipulating the AI to make them produce certain goods more, so I think it would be very interesting and a fun challenge :^)

[@generalistgaming]

The problem is the ai can't keep up w/ your demand for inputs. It's a super unfun attempt until foreign investment is possible, or if the ai actually expands construction enough.

[@qaz120120]

Amazing skills and effort. Thank you for the very enjoyable series

[@generalistgaming]

Glad you like them!

[@andrewthecrip574]

I just want to say I love when you comment about loud noises outside. :D

[@generalistgaming]

I actually cut out a lot of takes because of it xD

[@metallicaman4able]

that information about the rice subsistence farms goes a long way towards explaining why my unemployment seemed to get so bad so quickly

[@generalistgaming]

They also start w/ a decent chunk of unemployment too

[@mayson89yt39]

This is outdated. Can you please make an updated version?

[@PagerNinerTwelve]

My second playthrough was as Great Qing. They were so strong. I managed to avoid a war with Britain by improving relations and outlawing Opium while they were busy in another conflict, and I bullied Russia for recognition early. From there it was just cruise control to cool with the unlimited workforce!

[@bigworm3886]

Big fan of these starting step videos!!

[@lilmuti7885]

Mister general, thanks for the video actually learnes alot from my mistakes love to see that qing is hard but if you do it correctly it blows out of propotion thanks for the like non youtbe way you are. No crazy reactions no weird backrouns music, i know the time will come but we will never lose who you are grear bid once again

[@fatebreaker413]

I know its been a month since this came out but I wanna say thanks, I've tried Great Qing runs before and always fell flat on my face pretty early, Usually thanks to the opium wars. But I watched your video, Took Brazil early and this time I absolutely stomped the UK in the opium wars this time around. They decided it would be smart to invade Brazil instead of China so I just let them invade a bit so their army was a way from the rear then sent a naval invasion to attack british Guayana,, They did not react at all and I completely bricked their invasion without even having to fight them directly, While I also sent a few naval invasions at Singapore, The Indian Ocean Territory and the South Atlantic Islands and a couple african colonies for good measure while their army was off fighting Brazil. In the end I had more than a 90 point war support lead by the time they actually tried attacked me (They were on -41 I was on +51), I got recognition and War reperations and all it cost me was some convoys. Admittedly I did save scum once, When my Jingoist Landowner died off very shortly after I got him so I couldn't pass any laws nor exile anyone again, I got lucky though second time he stuck around long enough to pass proffessional army and Colonial exploitation, I've already cut off the UK in Kenya and I'm ready to spread deeper. Oh and its February 28th 1840 at time of writing. TLDR: Stomped the UK and am off to a good start as Qing, Thanks for the advice they helped a lot.

[@duarterei1474]

Father generalist, i know probably it was the qing video that one, but we (me and my depression) still crave for that haiti videoo

[@generalistgaming]

I'm probably going to do Persia, which is a bit of a layup, and then do a poll - but it might be fore a longer sort of run. The theorycrafters in the discord are testing something I thought wasn't possible, but is a run I've wanted to do

[@paulchennp]

When Im done with the Opium crisis, do I reopen the opiumtrade? And if I do this, when is the best time?

[@necroth9149]

could you do a video explaining the missions you get as china? im trying to do them but they seem a bit confusing ngl

[@OhCynicalHD]

Bro I would’ve just rerolled I like watching you because its optimized.

[@julian9241]

Qing content is just like japan content

[@generalistgaming]

My viewers only want two things!

[@MarkChilcote]

Hi Generalist, fun challenge here, try conquer the Canadian territories as quickly as possible starting as Russia, while also then forming a republic with worker cooperatives and guaranteed liberties.

[@dmitrygavr6876]

Generalist, maybe consider a decree to promote agriculture early on as a peasant heavy country? It does affect subsistence farms, so will help depress the price of grain and, notably, produce more wood (much more than lumber mills as China; at game start that is). It will boost the landowners, yes, but the abovementioned effects may still help. Tried it as Japan and it kinda worked, as I could build more construction sectors with less lumbering.

[@generalistgaming]

Ah, yeah, this is probably good for a narrow band of time at the beginning, I'll have to test it out a bit. Long term though you want to juice up the people w/ more IPT.

[@NineNoRouge]

China is my go to nation, however most mods make China way harder to play. Their economic growth is amazing and your really only need to expand their navy. Also Shanxi is a amazing state. Speaking of minting I once made the mistake of passing law enforcement and schools earlier on and I had to run my nation entirely off of minting.

[@bretthuff8971]

So, for rapidly developing an economy, empowering the industrialists definitely seems to be the way to go. LF + powerful industrialists just gives so much juice to the investment pool (I play with autonomous investment off, so I don't need to worry about control over what gets built) Conversely, late game, the Labor Unions seem to be the strongest, the sheer amount of goods you can produce with that extra throughput and workforce ratio all but assures economic dominance. My question is when should I start transitioning away from the industrialists and towards the labor unions? Similarly, when should I stop putting all my resources into juicing the construction sector and focus on my pops?

[@generalistgaming]

It varies from country to country, but usually when SoL is creeping above 15 and you’ve banned child labor (since literacy makes the trade unions more politically active)

[@weti8880]

awesome video!

[@generalistgaming]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@anabsentprofessor6120]

There’s a very dumb strategy I did in one of my first games as Qing - found it by accident in a much earlier patch so I’m not sure if it still works. If you promise to do something about the Opium crisis, but then wait until Britain is busy to ban it, often they just don’t care. You’re able to clear the threshold for the disaster to end and Britain doesn’t raise a finger. Obviously this means you can’t get war reps or recognition until later, but it allows you to do economy in peace. I’d definitely say this is cheese, and I haven’t checked in a bit so it might’ve been patched, but it’s a sure fire way to make your Qing game very quiet for a few decades.

[@dima9171]

U and the damn cars :D

[@generalistgaming]

Every time T.T

[@flamethrower200]

Could you do a video on how to deal with the heavenly kingdom and preventing its rise. I think thats the second biggest issue with china after early game is dealt with

[@toastingtoast161]

omg i love this video pls do more :)

[@generalistgaming]

I've recorded two more Qing episodes

[@scavenger6268]

Query: Would having national guard improve the chances of getting a professional army?

[@generalistgaming]

I don't think so, but I don't know the laws that increase the weight of Jingoists off the top of my head, if that's what you mean - Jingoist IG leaders will always support pro army (so getting them on the landowners is good for passing stuff)

[@Asleing]

Hey, what's more important to have in droves in the beginning, Shopkeepers or Capitalists?

[@generalistgaming]

Def capitalists

[@黃彥傑-g1c]

you are going to Brazil

[@pelayla]

great video i just watched it all on x50 speed

[@generalistgaming]

Is there any other way to watch my vids?

[@joeselk3577]

You should play with the appoint interest leader mod. I know that people get mad because they don’t like mods, but it takes a lot of the randomness out of the game and gives you a lot more control

[@generalistgaming]

It would save me a bit of headache, but I'm pretty confident viewers wouldn't like it

[@seanb8163]

Great Qing is so hard. I spend the whole time fighting to get ahead of the population rise with infrastructure but i eventually use up all the wood and fish and pops go back to starving and freezing to death

[@boxicool]

Can someone tell me how to use money from investment pool if in game rules i disabled autonomous and set for direct?

[@generalistgaming]

It should automatically use a percentage based on your economic system

[@laszlokiss483]

The kind of buildings that investors are willing to pay for are also controlled by your economic laws. Agriculturalism for example wont pay for industry buildings those funds will just be added to the investment pool which will never actually be used by you unless you actually build agricultural buildings. Laissez faire is great here because it applies to both agricultural and industrial buildings it also allows you to use more investment pool funds than interventionism does. The only real downside to Laissez faire is the lack of the ability to subsidize anything other than infrastructure.

[@edgyguy7084]

a short question, sry for it in advance: Does it make sense to, at the start of the game, to hyper focus on producing coal and iron and export it over to countries u wish to conquer (as a non great power that is)? If I remember correctly then the more overproduction of a thing u have in your market, the less money you will make through the traderoute. The less money you will make through the traderoute, the more the AI buys through your export traidroute. That means they are less likely to build coal and iron themself. If you declare war, the trade route will break down and their weapons production goes away, in turn making their soldiers useless... If this a solid thing or just my headcanon?

[@generalistgaming]

It makes sense, but it's better to do it w/ wood, as the PM is really efficient, esp before condensing pump on the coal. Trade is less about making money w/ tariffs and more about manipulating market prices. If you have a disproportionately large amount of coal mines, relative to your economy, then you want to export coal to raise the price to make those industries more profitable. To that end, yeah, generally you don't want to tariff stuff you're actively trading unless you have a specific reason to. Killing the market supply of a specific good is generally worse than chasing profit, as it's hard to make a country run a shortage w/o overbuilding a specific industry so that you're losing a lot of value.

[@CSDragon]

How did building 80 construction centers not send your wood into a shortage?

[@generalistgaming]

I built a lot of wood - if you're asking more abstractly or RIGHT at game start, subsistence farms produce wood as a satisfier of basic furniture needs, and China has a ton of sub farms at the start of the game.

[@whitefang20]

Does anyone ever come for Beijing like you recommend for countries like your Spain starting steps?

[@generalistgaming]

They do sometimes on ai Qing, but I imagine they're unlikely to do so towards you the player once you have a bit of army power projection.

[@whitefang20]

That makes sense! Your videos have helped me alot in this game. First played the game as Brazil and the US but got bored because I didn’t understand 1/4 of the mechanics. Keep up the great content!

[@crippaz45]

im having an issue where no matter what the popularity of the jingoist is they wont get put into power? ive consistently got reformer or moderate. is it just a case of RNG or have they patched this in the last 3 weeks?

[@chronobab8352]

one fun fact if a group leader that is needed for passing a law easier dies just reload the autosave and he might not die.

[@generalistgaming]

This may work, but I'm just going to try to be more handsome and good at the game and see if that works instead

[@ladymeyneth5995]

Protip for puppetting bolivia (or any friendly country): form a defensive pact with them and break it immediately, relations will drop by 30 and you get no truce.

[@generalistgaming]

Good shout

[@shengloongtan229]

I have not noticed that about the interest group, which is indeed very interesting but also historically accurate. China is the first civilization to have an examination standard and elected officials based on the merits of the examination. You can become an aristocrats, given plots of land and ludicrous salary to preside over an area (town, province, state, base on your ranking) by doing well in the exam. In that sense, they are a bit like the landlord + aristocrat + bereaucrats in the west. Their power was only second to the royal family, which is probably why they were known to be rampantly corrupt after gathering influence and connection over generation, which was one of the things that screwed qing. Religious group did, in fact, have very little presence in politics.

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, as far as unique IG approval for laws goes, Qing has the most interesting/deviating from the norm. Japan's Bakufu ideology on the Samurai also makes reform more difficult

[@kusotarre]

Since you're sort of doing the cheese run with multi-landings anyways and encouraging save scumming (which is fine, this game is about breaking history), I think the best opening is to replicate all your legal moves (rush colonialism, get a jingoist, etc), but where I diverge from you is to embrace the cheese to the max. Don't move capital, it stays Beijing. Immediately start a war with Portugal to take back Macau. They have a defensive pact with Perfidious Albion (PA), so this starts a war with them as well. Set some of your big generals to *defend* this front, so that PA tries to fight you there. Your war goals are to liberate Ireland and demand recognition, nothing else really matters. For the war, take all the undefended regions like Nova Scotia, PA Guyana, and a few multilandings on Portugal's African and Indonesian holdings, and to spam on the PA Isles. Toss a few landings into Portugal proper to match PA's war support decay, and you enforce eventually. And here's the big cheese. As soon as you win the above war, start another war with PA by getting them to fight you over Chile or Oyo or whatever else they are protective about. Then, max out infamy on taking PA's big manufacturing centers. Midlands, Lancashire, etc, and also take PA Kenya (they rarely re-settle it allowing you unchallenged access to east Africa) and transfer places like Australia, Canada. Repeat the above to win the war. Make sure to keep max infamy so that someone decks you in a Cut Down To Size play. Capitulate, while the above war is happening. Your infamy is reset to zero, you lose Tibet, Korea and Lanfang (easy to retake after, if you want), but in return you get PA's core manufacturing states and a bunch of vassal transfers. After this war, you can try to start another one for some lower infamy transfers, but it's hard because the Brits have been broken and are very scared to fight again. You'll have to put down a secession in your new British state, but that's fine, it resets turmoil. #1 state by 1842, and then you can roleplay doing the Belt and Road Initiative, making Africa a manufacturing and agricultural powerhouse. (Also please learn some pinyin! X in pinyin is a sharp 'sh' sound, almost an 's' sound. For example, Ningxia is pronounce ning-sya or similar.) Edit: It's good to build some docks and shipyards early on, helps to not have max convoy deficiency when you're spamming landings and immediately defending. Edit again: You need to recruit max admirals and a bunch of generals for this. Like 15+ generals.

[@generalistgaming]

I'm not sure why you're calling them PA over UK here, but I didn't want to do an infamy reset for this run in particular, because I wanted it to still be able to appeal to a wider audience. Otherwise yeah, I'd generally agree, although I think you just ban opium while fighting Brazil and get the reset on two wars at once. Also, I want the run to be relatively consistent and replicable, as opposed to absolutely pushed.

[@dylanb2990]

@@generalistgamingit’s a joke, guessing you don’t know what perfidious means?

[@lilmuti7885]

Im in love bro, i wanted this i love you

[@generalistgaming]

Glad you're enjoying it!

[@_QuanLucVinh]

hope you make guide play portugal

[@generalistgaming]

Portugal is on the list of countries that haven't polled well that I want to do a run for.

[@trashmoneyyt]

Bro do you live next to a racetrack?

[@generalistgaming]

We all do be in that rat race

[@nashiffuadkhan9817]

You can solve grain shortage with grain farms + improved fertilizer. Employs a lot of farmers, better than peasants

[@janhecker1175]

They really have to rebalance the game in a way that at least incentiveces countries like china to build agriculture

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, the way that they use arable land as the underlying mechanism for migration causes a lot of problems.

[@ynkesfan2003]

This makes me want to try a China run.

[@generalistgaming]

Do eet

[@BiNumLi]

what a complex system. so many moving parts. nothing simple about playing Qing. impressive planning on your part.

[@CCLethe]

I don't understand how to get my unemployed pops to migrate to Brazil. I have 10 mil unemployed pops in the 1866. I conquered Brazil in 1846. Turmoil is extremely high in some Brazilian states and it barely decreases(75% to 50%) in 20 years. I have dedicated police force and incorporated all the states. I look at the subsistence farms in Brazil and only 150k are employed of 700k. Of the employed only 30k are Mahayana Han What am I doing wrong? I thought about trying to pass total separation and multiculturalism but there is 0% support for it in Wing

[@generalistgaming]

You don't need total sep/multi, you just need to wait for the turmoil to come down, as it has a pretty severe negative modifier for migration. It takes a little bit, but it shouldn't be too many years before the most populous culture in those states is Han.

[@unmitigateddisaster3793]

If you are looking for a 'slightly' more historical target for Qing expansion (I don't even think they knew what Brazil was in the 1830s) then my favorite choice is Mexico. California is an amazing place for pops to migrate to, and the US ai seems less aggressive to you than it does to Mexico, giving you at least a couple of decades before they decide to attack, and by then they are probably dealing with a civil war. Even if they do take it, then the millions of Chinese who have already filled it up by that time will make it very hard to manage. Not to mention that Mexico has 17 divisions and no navy.

[@bretthuff8971]

Persia Guide?

[@generalistgaming]

I have been practicing a Persia start!

[@bretthuff8971]

@@generalistgaming Sweet! Can't wait to watch a persia video from the best Victoria 3 youtuber!

[@jonorm6659]

China with National Guard and National Militia is hilarious. You have a massive on call army, which you cannot afford to run for long periods of time, but at the same time you can recruit so many so quickly you just steamroll the enemy lines before they can do anything. Going Isolationist as well for your trade side of things, is a great way to learn how to economy. Too bad mid/late game in the 1920s the game cannot handle anything, trying to import/export takes 30 seconds for it to load, definitely recommend it starting off. Once Britain is dealt with you have free reign. Russia is imitating because they keep asking to take one of your provinces off your hands as a way to help you out with wars, as did Korea later on in game

[@ryanfu3016]

You could declare portugal on day1 to take back macau (which brings in GB), and naval invade malta to win the opium war. Leave all other troops to defend macau and they wont invade

[@generalistgaming]

I think this after Brazil might've been better than what I did, yeah.

[@emiloprisa]

"Hi, welcome to my guide! Reload!"

[@generalistgaming]

Not sure if this is shade or not?

[@bena8805]

can you get Ethiopia to #1 major power. Feels impossible

[@Naturaldanatureza10]

China série pls

[@dnjn4575]

i like the beard look good on you

[@Deshiba]

There's a much easier way to get into war with Great Britain: Declare on Portugal to reclaim Macau. Because Portugal and GB start as a defensive pact the brits will be called in. If you do this at game start GB will not have a stake in the war and can't really make demands. So you are free to naval invade portugal for an easy win. This will also peace out GB for a free 5 years of non-aggression, pretty much free opium wars win.

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, this would've probably been a little better. Best is probably dowing Brazil and then getting UK to DoW you and transfering EIC so someone cuts you down to size and capitulate to the cut down before enforcing on Brazil/UK.

[@aphkyky423]

rip, brazil turned into an mp and i can't vassalize them the war goal is gone

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, setting the primary war target as the province that cuts off access to the country in the south can help a lot to make sure that that war doesn't peace out before yours.

[@DerTannenSchredder]

I have no idea how to win the war against brazil i tried 4 times by now and everytime they "win" and becomming a major so i can't make them a vassal anymore Feelsbadman

[@generalistgaming]

It's pretty important to occupy the state that holds the front between Brazil and their southern war, in order to prevent them from pushing and enforcing.

[@surelyshermy4281]

@@generalistgaming Didnt realize this was the issue, thanks!

[@Ankhar2332]

3:45 confusion scholars

[@scavenger6268]

So 4000 shopkeepers x 0.05 =200 IPT (base) (100 IPT traditionalism) 800 Capitalists x 0.20 = 160 IPT (base) (80 IPT traditionalism) After Laissez-Faire (25% boost to IPT) Shopkeep 250 IPT Capitalist 200 IPT

[@generalistgaming]

The amount that is determined is based on dividends, not some fixed value, and having more shopkeepers doesn't increase their dividends in a multiplicative way. When you have shopkeepers they split the dividends across more pops, each of those giving 5%. If I have dividends of 500 and 500 shopkeepers each will get 1 dividend and contribute .05 leading to a total contribution of 25. If I get a dividend of 500 w/ 100 capitalists each will get 5 and contribute 20% (not including modifiers) for a total contribution of 100.

[@scavenger6268]

@@generalistgaming So once again Paradox makes something completely nonsensical in an effort to be clever...or to prevent players from actually spamming economies of scale. After all if adding more capitalists instead further divides up the dividend pie then you actually get less in IPT thus making the whole point of building more fisheries very pointless. Hmm, that makes me wonder if building up the dividend scale is based on market share making exports and domestic consumption more important than simply adding more ruler jobs.

[@generalistgaming]

? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. When you build another fishery you get more capitalists to split the money amongst, but also an additional level w/ more inputs/outputs, (generally) increasing dividends. When you swap to using the shopkeepers owners you don't get an additional level of building. EoS is still good.

[@scavenger6268]

@@generalistgaming Ok. So New buildings/businesses = new revenue/dividend pies. Thank you for informing me. As for the second apologies for not being clear. If I was to switch my ownership of say a tea plantation from private owned (100 aristocrats) to publicly traded (100 aristocrats, 50 capitalists) would that grow my IPT or make it worse? Not including any economic buffs/maluses as that always skew the numbers.

[@markwest6392]

you sure you dont live in daytona by the speedway?

[@Shaddarhim]

Russia can use your Obligation to get outer Manchuria and a few other states in central asia from you.

[@generalistgaming]

Oof - are you sure I can't tell them to kick rocks w/ the event? I just recorded another two episodes and they haven't called it in.

[@Shaddarhim]

Idk how the journal entry works for the chinese. Ive seen the russia ai get outer manchuria peacefully tho. But they need to do the trans sibirian railway journal entry for outer manchuria first. For the central asian regions they need to own the non chinese parts of central asia if I remember correctly.

[@major8625]

With confusian trait i think unusual thing that they prefer monarchy over theocracy

[@generalistgaming]

That's it! I couldn't quite figure out what my note meant lol

[@rima-L93]

5:34 you're welcome. Sorry maybe I have a new hobby :D don't forget 14:24 extra long

[@daniloking223]

Waiting for prussia gameplay 41-42

[@samuelaylmer804]

I’m not saying Brazil is a penal colony but it will be hosting a number of potential radicals…😂

[@snelhestarna]

The demographics of this game ca 1900 would certainly look interesting.

[@samuelaylmer804]

@@snelhestarna I saw a screenshot on Reddit where the Chinese had won the scramble for Africa- the cultures map just showed half of the continent was Han majority ethnicity. I guess SA going to be like that too in this timeline.

[@generalistgaming]

Lmao