QI | Best of Films & Movies

[@thesteveus]

Watching Sandi as a guest with Stephen hosting is like watching a Dr Who story when there is more than one Doctor.

[@reasonablyserious]

Or any if we think of the current state of the show

[@phosphoros60]

I watched a French swearing-in of Parliament once from like 2012 or so, and while they were doing the Marseillaise it panned through the rows and sure enough, there was Macron... Had a similar thought then.

[@ianrodd9232]

Stephen is the Tom Baker of QI hosts, then.

[@daanwilmer]

Like the episode Fires of Pompeii, then?

[@ericadunn9435]

I prefer Sandi as a guest

[@rhiannontalbot1]

Love seeing sandi and Stephen together. When will we have stephen on sandi's panel?!

[@davidyoung5114]

I hope that they run the entire series of letters (X & Y together?!) and on the very last show (Zenith?!), they have Stephen Fry back on the panel, along with two others chosen by an audience poll. I would vote for Phil Jupitus and Aisling Bea.

[@rhiannontalbot1]

David - i would vote for Bill Bailey definitely

[@davidwilliams8440]

@@davidyoung5114 they should be able to pick a favourite panellist each to fill the last two spots

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

@@rhiannontalbot1 Bill Bailey and David Mitchell would be my dream team

[@l0u13__3]

Sean Locke

[@whuforever8088]

I swear Bill Bailey is immortal, he literally hasn't aged.

[@giantflyinghog3550]

Obviously part of his powers as the rural Buddha.

[@A_Dragovich]

@@giantflyinghog3550 Or, better known as Dalai Farmer

[@Professicchio]

True, he's always looked about 59yo.

[@outseeker]

lol that would rly piss u off, wouldn't it? become immortal, but only in later age XD

[@Shmiguelly]

Clips from Series A in 2004 and 16 years later he wins Strictly looking exactly the same.

[@josh.weaver]

I don't know if it's just me, but when the video ends I just desperately want to click off it fast so Sandi doesn't get upset at me for taking too long to pick a new video

[@joe-jones]

well come on, pick SOMETHING.

[@richodude2679]

Lol, just like Albert Brooks on the Finding Nemo DVD

[@quasarsphere]

You're the reason Sandi drinks.

[@mitchweiner]

I thought it was just me wanting to do that for the same reason! 😂

[@jakobsmith1396]

Yeah, it's annoying. So glad they shut the laptop on her, lol

[@tombailey1983]

“Just two seconds in and you’re nursing a semi”

[@FlyingScott]

No but seriously it was like Jezza was in the room

[@winter_silhouette]

I can imagine Clarkson saying that

[@almostfm]

"It's the best movie death...in the world"

[@Imloeyrose]

i absolutely cackled at that bit

[@theautopsyreportrockmetalr4583]

...AND ACROSS THE LINE!

[@simsandsurgery1]

I love that noise Stephen makes when Alan asks him a question he doesn’t know the answer to.

[@SpeccyMan]

... a question to which he doesn't know the answer. NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!

[@djmoch1001]

"So they [pigeons] are sitting there watching The Matrix, and they're thinking, 'When is something gonna happen??'" God bless you, Linda Smith.

[@elainemagson213]

Yes. So much missed.

[@zbr76]

Maybe I just need to see more of her work, but from her QI appearances, she just struck me as really dull and unfunny.

[@PassportToPimlico]

@@zbr76 She was really good on Radio 4's the News Quiz.

[@christopherdean1326]

@@zbr76 She was a fairly understated comedienne, never "laugh out loud" funny, just with a wry take on life.

[@dereklawson1318]

To be fair, most of us l thought that about the Matrix....

[@davidhoward437]

Aisling speaking without an Irish accent, if only for a couple of seconds, is just plain spooky.

[@ticketyboo2456]

David Howard Why do you think an Irish accent is spooky? I find it charming.

[@merlinmediagroup]

@@ticketyboo2456 They said "without an Irish accent", not with.

[@edb2863]

Fun fact, psycho was considered controversial at the time of release for two reasons 1. It had a young, unmarried couple sharing a bed And 2. It was the first film to have a shot of a flushing toilet

[@chrisoddy8744]

Whereas the murdering bit and the mum-mified corpse type stuff was completely normal, naturally!

[@edb2863]

@@chrisoddy8744 yeah surprisingly that stuff didn't carry all that much controversy in comparison

[@ejmartino3376]

A great compilation with many clips I haven’t seen before!

[@morbius076j]

That sound Stephen makes after Allan asks "What's the life span of a pigeon?" :D

[@samarvora7185]

Memories of Speckled Jim, I suppose.

[@angrytedtalks]

Sandi: You really must get out, Stephen Stephen: 🥺 bye... Sandi: This evening has changed my life

[@treadtrick]

Edith Skinner taught us "Standard American Speech"" at American Conservatory Theatre in 1977. Gen. director William Ball was a former student of hers. She was quite stern, but very interesting. :) I didn't realize then that she was the "inventor" of what we were being taught, though! Thanks, QI!

[@just-tess]

She wasn't, and that's not what they said... "The codification of a Mid-Atlantic accent in writing, particularly for theatrical training, is often credited to Edith Warman Skinner"

[@treadtrick]

​ @just-tess Thanks for your friendly response. I am aware of what they said, and I wasn't talking about the Mid-Atlantic accent, which was not what we were being taught. Throughout acting school we were encouraged to use Standard American Speech (also called "Good American Speech"). When I took Mrs. Skinner's class, I was unaware that she was the author of the 1942 book, "Speak with Distinction," or that she had trained so many movie stars from the 30s and '40s in SAS. I would have paid closer attention had I known! Her book became a standard textbook for actors, and one which I had heard of but had not read at the time, as the concept of SAS was being taught "in person" in our classes and the book was not required reading in the '70s. Mrs. Skinner did not mention that she had written this well-known text, and until QI mentioned her name, I hadn't thought to look up who was the author of said book. I used the word "inventor" in quotes in order to indicate irony. I'm sorry that was not clear.

[@SpeccyMan]

@@treadtrickHow were her vowels? Americans really seem to struggle with vowels. For example: do aye-talians live in aye-taly?

[@MegaFortinbras]

I actually have a natural mid-Atlantic accent. I was born in the UK, and my parents -- who taught me how to speak -- spoke upper-middle class British English. When I was a child, we emigrated to the US, and I've lived most of my life and had most of my education in America. People in the US say I sound British, and people in England say I sound American.

[@pinkchihua]

I have a similar thing except I grew up in The Bahamas and moved to England. English people say I sound American, Americans say I sound ‘British’, and Bahamians don’t know what to think.

[@millomweb]

@@pinkchihua No change there then.

[@SpeccyMan]

Your vowel sounds would tell which is true.

[@MegaFortinbras]

@@SpeccyMan I have RP "and some other vowels, I also have Middle Western American vowels. As I said, it's a real Mid-Atlantic accent.

[@alanhynd7886]

Richard E is right about the exploding pigeons. He have the same thing up here in Scotland during the grain harvest. The birds eat as much grain as they can find scattered about, they then take a drink, then the contents of their gut swells up and they can die of it.

[@PassportToPimlico]

Supposedly that's how you kill slugs with bran.

[@johanvajse8410]

isn't it also why we stopped throwing uncooked rice at weddings? the birds would eat it and then "explode" in the process you mentioned

[@alanhynd7886]

@@johanvajse8410 Then there's this issue: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5nYfn-mmdOCoLs

[@decodolly1535]

@@alanhynd7886 That's not an "issue", that's a fun day out for all the family! 😄

[@ShogunFRIEND]

@@johanvajse8410 This is apparently false from what I found - birdseed actually expands way more than rice does, and they don't die of it. Apparently the "birds pop with rice" myth was started by groundskeepers who didn't want to have to clean rice out of grass (which is impossibly difficult).

[@jonathannash8471]

Psycho is such a good film. When I first saw it I watched if four times in one week. Once by myself, then with three different groups. Spectacular.

[@imjustanotherjess]

I’d be more than happy to see an old Hollywood movie with Stephen!

[@myname7056]

I knew straight away about Harrison Ford, & the man at 4:29 is Ivan Mosjoukine.

[@TonyP_Yes-its-Me]

A 25 yr old workmate was watching the TV series Bates Motel, on her tablet and I told her that the last season was a retelling of the movie, and she said, "There's a movie?"

[@samiam619]

Children. Rolls eyes...

[@forthefrogs]

"Hitchcock sounds like Jeremy from Top Gear" TREVOR I LOVE YOU BDJKE

[@needamuffin]

During the Hitchcock segment, I was trying to remember if he was American or British and thought "it's hard to tell just by accent in those times because sometimes they sort of blended together from either side", then the very next segment is mentioning exactly that phenomenon.

[@likebot.]

Edith Skinner wasn't just Canadian, she was from Moncton New Brunswick where the Eastern Canadian accent is thicker than a figgy duff.

[@AGalahcalledSammi]

Sandi sounded like Katherine Hepburn but the body language was pure Michael McIntyre.

[@DoctorWhoIsBeast]

Dead 🤣🤣

[@tipperary1082]

She's in slightly better shape than Michael though to be fair to her

[@michaelharding6264]

@@tipperary1082 Sandi also is imbued with wit, something McIntyre lacks entirely. He suffers from the delusion that shouting piss-weak jokes makes them funny.

[@johnmc3862]

@@michaelharding6264 McIntyre is as funny as child cancer.

[@kevinw712]

I absolutely adore Sandi, but her impression wasn't really all that great because ironically she leaned way too hard into the plainly American side of it. like she says there was that classic "midatlantic" thing done so much back then, and she got Hepburn's cadence from On Golden Pond right, but Hepburn's pronunciation still that late in her career sounded more skewed British.

[@Blahde]

7:35 "Thanks for the Spoiler" 😂👌 Brilliant!

[@RIXRADvidz]

I grew up in New Mexico with a Southern Father and and East Coast mother, I have no accent, but a shining gift for mimicry. I can Drawl with Belles of the Ball , so Fuggiddabout it Frankie.

[@SpeccyMan]

But can you correctly pronounce the words Italian or solder?

[@xonxt]

3:30 so, pigeons are members of PC Master Race and prefer everything in 144 Hz or even 240 Hz?

[@MrSmegheneghan]

Well, they'd definitely have fun watching videogames as played by someone with a super high-end PC with a particularly fancy monitor that could render _that_ many frames-per-second, but with how many games that can actually play well at that frame-rate that actually _benefits_ from such a high frame-rate, you'd probably just be stuck playing Team Fortress 2 (capable of getting up to 300 FPS)

[@j0hnn13K]

pretty much so, yes :P

[@klaxoncow]

#PigeonMasterRace

[@Stroopwafe1]

@@MrSmegheneghan Not just TF2 lol. There're a myriad of games where you benefit from a higher frame rate, though the jump from 144 Hz to 240 is less noticeable than 60 to 144. There's a great video about this made by Linus Tech Tips

[@DaveWraptastic]

@@MrSmegheneghan there are loads of games capable of 250+ fps, even on my dated mid-end PC.

[@uiscepreston]

So the "mid-Atlantic" accent that Sandi is speaking of is most certainly derived from what is uncommonly known as Boston Brahmin - a very highfalutin but rare accent used by the old upper-class descendants of the colonial aristocracy in the Northeast US. In fact, the mere notion that Kelsey Grammar used it for 20 year in his depiction of a privileged but affected New England intellectual just proves its origin. David Odgen Stiers playing pompous Charles Emerson Winchester III in TV's M*A*S*H used the same accent, his character even claiming on the show to be of elite Brahmin lineage. Bette Davis was from Lowell. Katherine Hepburn was from Connecticut. Many of the actors and actresses who adopted this accent were actually from working class New England and wanted to indeed sound halfway to old England. John Houseman used it to great effect. But the accent was not made out of thin air.

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

If you haven't seen it, check out these two gentleman: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mInNhmlmlp2Xo6s

[@ticketyboo2456]

Uisce Preston Not forgetting Stewie on Family Guy...

[@Elitist20]

Two from 60s TV who had it: Natalie Schafer ('Lovey' Howell in 'Gilligan's Island') and Neil Hamilton (Commissioner Gordon in 'Batman'). Both had learned how to speak on the New York stage in the 1920s.

[@noahstern2089]

Stephen has been interested in pigeons since the bird he'd raised since he was just a nipper (Speckled Jim) mysteriously went missing.

[@lilymarinovic1644]

Baaaa! Shot by a certain Captain E Blackadder

[@arpansarangi3132]

"Well you must get out Stephen, really!" - Sandi at 5:48

[@JonathanNichollstechandsuch8]

8:37 Stephen slips up here. Psycho was tragically never actually nominated for Best Picture. Neither were most of Hitchcock’s most well known films, such as Vertigo, Rear Window, North by Northwest, Rope, Strangers on a Train and Dial M for Murder, all revered classics today.

[@HolyGoddessMotherAnne]

You forgot The Birds.

[@angemaidment5640]

I love Sandi, liking “looks good scared” 🤣🤣🤣

[@lmm2103]

Me too to be honest, think that must be why Harrison Ford was my first crush lol

[@Propulus]

Stephen's Clarkson is spot on.

[@egoish6762]

"Come on George, with 50000 men getting killed a week who's going to miss a pidgeon?"

[@ejayman]

"We didn't get any message, and Captain Blackadder definitely did NOT eat this delicious, plump-breasted pigeon!" "Do you want to be cremated Baldrick, or buried at sea?"

[@CalvinLimuel]

what I take away: Harrison Ford looks handsome when scared.

[@shaunbrannan6765]

Cocomelon

[@jsunshinejull]

🤩 Sandi and I have the same favorite movie of all time...!☺️

[@djmoch1001]

Damn, I had a sad when I saw Linda Smith in the first second of this. I miss that funny woman so much. :(

[@melissahoneybee8493]

Wait what? What happened to her? I love her humour.

[@djmoch1001]

@@melissahoneybee8493 She died of ovarian cancer in 2006. She’s been gone 15 years now.

[@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341]

Pigeons in the theater lobby: "WTF do you mean I have to pay for popcorn?!?! I can get it in the park for free! Eff this place!"

[@almostfm]

That "Mid Atlantic" accent also used to be the standard for radio as well

[@MyMindMakesLines]

Sandi is a fantastic host. Couldn't pick a better person for the job, after Stephen. Such a contrast and wise choice. Not attempting a similar choice to Fry kept the show's spirit.

[@CricketEngland]

Ah the great late Linda Smith RIP

[@andyjs69]

"I'm like that with scissors" still makes me giggle

[@GrainneMhaol]

It's sad that many people haven't heard of her.

[@NewMessage]

Look at all the pigeons in any major city... hundreds of bored birds, with disposable income from their monument painting jobs... untapped market there.

[@blindwatchmaker2345]

Bill`s answer was spot on .... films are not made with them in mind....

[@heidibarker9550]

Greetings from a time when this video had less than 1000 views.

[@derorje2035]

now it does have between 1,500 and 2,000 views.

[@igamarurbytes]

Ah, the simpler times. Greetings from over 3,600

[@heidibarker9550]

@Pleoryo oh no I got the Klaxon and Sandi has probably slapped me with some grammatical sense.

[@pipitameruje]

13 hours later, this thing now has over 35k views. Nothing quite like a bit of QI

[@lesblumhagen3921]

Mid-Atlantic sccent was taught by a Canadian,yes. The accent is quite close to what was called Canadian Dainty in those days. You can hear it in early recordings of Canadian politicians, most notably by the first Governor General born in Canada, Vincent Massey. He is the same family as Raymond Massey who was the older doctor in the Dr Kildare TV series in the sixties.

[@almostfm]

Not just "the same family"-Raymond and Vincent were brothers.

[@itsnotrightyouknow]

That was a big break for Vivian, and afterwards she told Hitchcock if he ever needed her in a film she would do it. Years later when she was top billing, Hitchcock called up her manager and said he could only pay her so much, and her manager said not enough, and Hitchcock thought she let him down on her promise. Then Vivian found out, called up Hitchcock, and said when do you need me and where, and I will do it for whatever you want to pay.

[@decodolly1535]

Vivian? Do you mean Janet Leigh?

[@SamuelBlack84]

Better treatment than Tippi Hedrun

[@carlanc.84]

I always stay to the end to watch Sandi, shes one funny lady.

[@RK68978]

The old Harrison Ford looks unbelievably like Colin Firth 👀

[@angemaidment5640]

He does!

[@andywood5699]

So there was a Canadian voice coach in Hollywood teaching everyone how to sound like a Canadian.

[@karabelle221]

Fun fact: Psycho was the first film to show a toilet flushing.

[@theautopsyreportrockmetalr4583]

"are there pigeons in Swassiland?" Should've said "not after a movie".

[@blogsfred3187]

Swaziland..I also grew up there..small country in Southern Africa.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@blogsfred3187 Now called eSwatini, of course.

[@Lord_Skeptic]

9:35 Greenland

[@lindaross783]

Bernard Hermann was a genius film sound composer

[@--Skip--]

I so wish QI was shown in North America.

[@Tmanaz480]

Wow...films AND movies!

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

02:22 Richard E. Grant was on _"Shooting Stars"_ one time. *Bob Mortimer:* _"Richard, you, of course were born in Switzerland."_ *Richard E. Grant:* "SWAAAAAZILAND!" *Bob Mortimer:* _"No, I think you'll find it's pronounced Switzerland"_ {:-:-:}

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

2:25 it's Eswatini now.

[@brydon5721]

I love how Stephen and Sandi swoon over Trevor throughout the episode, I mean who wouldn't?

[@weirdunclebob]

The only man who could turn Sandi straight! lol I love the dynamic between all three of them. :)

[@Evitaschannel]

He was very uncharismatic this episode though. I felt like he didn't want to be there

[@mastemawolfesq.2408]

Nice to see Paddy the Baddy was on QI

[@martyheresniak5203]

I beg to differ with the Elves. A Mid-Atlantic accent is from the Mid-Atlantic States of the USA: New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. It is neither the broad As of Boston and New England nor the drawl of the South and Deep South. This is something we learned in elementary school when studying American history of the original colonies, and the Piedmont.

[@Alphabunsquad]

Mid Atlantic accent isn’t just British and American. It was invented by an Australian and has elements of Australian as well. It was considered by those who promoted it to be the most correct pronunciation of every word. Transatlantic accent is the better name for it though since the mid Atlantic is a place in America. But drama schools would force their students to learn it and use in every role even if the character they were playing would have had a completely different, distinctive accent.

[@SpeccyMan]

The only correct pronunciation of English words is the English. Australians are too nasal and Americans simply cannot pronounce any English word that contains one or more vowels. 😁

[@TMPreRaff]

Oooohhh... Films AND Movies! Both!

[@Willieg2008]

As an American I've heard of the Transatlantic accent they used to teach in boarding schools and acting courses, but never the Mid-Atlantic

[@decodolly1535]

Maybe Mid-Atlantic is the UK term for the same thing. As a Brit, I can't remember ever hearing of the "Transatlantic accent".

[@almostfm]

@@decodolly1535 I think so, because there's a part of the US east coast that's known as the "mid-atlantic"-roughly from southern New York in the north to Virginia in the south.

[@Hellothere_453]

@@decodolly1535 funny as a Brit I’ve only ever heard it called the Transatlantic accent

[@hankwilliams150]

Edith Skinner was from my home province of New Brunswick. How cool is that?!

[@ambbarnes9839]

Why dont pigeons like movies? They cant poop on the trailers

[@christianbuczko1481]

Thats better than the answer on the show..

[@Original50]

These outroes are so funny. There she is wearing what I would call a Frisian Dish-Dash! Where's the sou'wester?!

[@justvin7214]

'But I don't talk like that' - Cary Grant.

[@jtool8744]

5:37 so it contains 77 camera angles, and 50 cuts. So what happened to at least 26 of the camera angles?

[@samiam619]

Well, I’d say the camera shifts its view or turns...

[@sandorenckell5259]

It might be the other way around, because I'm fairly sure they use same angle shots a few times (as in shot 1: hand, shot 2: woman screaming, shot 3: the hand again in the same angle as shot 1

[@Jessica-uf3zp]

Sandi’s blazer is fire

[@econometrics469]

You can't spoil a 60 year old film, that's on you for not seeing it lol

[@maxanluulnaxam1102]

Holy shit! A young Richard Grant!

[@Imloeyrose]

Is it just me that thinks that Alan's personality and mannerisms are similiar to Bens from Outnumbered?

[@secretsfullofsaucers]

Speckled Jim!

[@FreakyLeek]

Well please come on Steven, can you just watch the film and eat your popcorn?

[@piotrmil]

*Stephen Fry* : We see twenty-four, twenty-five frames per second *[PC Master Race disliked that]*

[@elnoruego6854]

Shut up

[@Jame5man]

You forgot the most important part of that sentence. The qualifier “as movement.” He’s not saying we only see 24-25 FPS. Anything slower appears to stutter and isn’t perceived as movement. Also it’s a tired “joke” and as the reply stated, please shut up

[@TheEmptyAdventure]

@@Jame5man PC Master Race really did dislike that lmaoooooo

[@matteo7867]

1:12 Oh hell. Everyone so incredibly young😂

[@ProfDanielVargas]

It's like one of those sitcoms episodes where they have a flashback to their younger days or while at University or High School or something.

[@fretlessman71]

77 camera angles, and 51 cuts? That math doesn't add up...

[@Bitterswheat]

for those wondering: the average lifespan of a pigeon is 6 years

[@pattytrojanmaust4375]

Pigeons never go to the movies because they go to the bathroom every 15 minutes and would have to wait for a movie to go to DVD in order to finally see it. That way they can pause.

[@Epicurus341]

Slightly interesting movie fact is that Nikki Bedi used to be married to Kabir Bedi. He has many acting credits to his name, but is probably famous in the UK for playing the villain Gobinda in Octopussy.

[@Kelly_C]

9:41 ah, so maryland

[@heavymetalbassist5]

yall ever notice Sandy and Stephen look healthier the longer they moderate the show

[@SpeccyMan]

You didn't notice it is Sandi with an I!

[@DoctorShaunB]

In case there was any confusion 0:42 by the "initial" Harrison Ford, Toksvig of course means the original Harrison Ford, although the modern Harrison Ford shortly went by Herrison J Ford and in fact used an initial to help distinguish him from the initial Harrison Ford. In short, the Harrison Ford we know today was not the initial Harrison Ford, but rather the Harrison Ford that used a middle initial, and the initial Harrison Ford likely thought this would never become an issue, so lived and died happily without using a middle initial throughout his fame. He is the initial Harrison Ford, not the initialed Harrison Ford, but then now...neither is he. Glad to clear things up! Cheers!

[@SpeccyMan]

Pardon? 🤣

[@mattgilbert7347]

We need more pigeon representation in the arts! We need pigeon-friendly media with higher frame rates!

[@davidw3281]

Psycho: first movie to show a toilet flushing

[@hamzahartley4317]

Couldn’t think of anyone else other than Sandi to host QI after Mr.Fry.

[@SpeccyMan]

How about the original choice before Stephen, i.e. Michael Palin?

[@tiaxanderson9725]

Anyone else a bit disappointed that they didn't actually tell you why a pigeon wouldn't enjoy the movies? They'd be watching The Matrix and thinking "When is something going to happen?" Really? So if a gust of wind blows a leaf past pigeon 1 really fast it'd think "Oh look, a leaf in the wind" but a second pigeon when the wind is much less strong so the leaf gently glides past would think "Damn it, I'm in front of the telly again!"? Horse sheit. The point is, that the people who write QI are apparently *ancient* and it used to be that in movie theaters there was an old timey actual movie projector all the way in the back in a separate room projecting the film; the technical workings of the film projector is the reason why pigeons "wouldn't like movies". You'd have a reel with little rectangles on them, the actual images -individual frames of the movie. These images would be put between a light source and a kind of viewfinder window and thus project the image onto the wall at the front of the theater. Now you can't just pull the film past the light source because you'd see the movement of the frames on the big screen. On both sides of the frames would be a row square holes that would line up with 4 square pins around the viewfinder to make sure the image was in place and couldn't move and between the light source and the film would be a sort of flywheel?; the shutter. It would block the light from the source for a duration of it's rotation and let light through for the rest. So when the shutter blocks the light these 4 hooks would pull the image off the pegs in front of the view, pull the reel one frame down and push the next frame back onto the pegs and then the end of the shutter was reached so it would allow the light back through. Now I *know* there was some sort of prototype where the shutter would have 1 single section that blocks the light and 1 that allows it through, but since such a system would be inherently unstable (i.e. that's how most simple hardware that needs to vibrate vibrates) which is something you don't want with movies. I also *know* that while less pleasant to watch, you can get the illusion of moving images with ~16 frames per second. So it's possible that this 1 shutter version was simply rotating slow enough to allow this to work. But I *also know* that there's a working version of one that has multiple sections on the shutter which means that as long as it's symmetrical it would be stable. So maybe the single shutter was in use and the multiple section shutter was an improvement, or that prototype was immediately improved upon by using the multiple section version and that is what everybody has... But the point is, when the shutter rotates it blocks the light from the light source for longer than it does not. My memory says 2/3rds of the time, but it could also be 5/8ths or something. It, however, blocks the light longer than it does not. So *pigeons wouldn't like movies because they'd be looking at a black screen for **_most of the time_** !*

[@007HPeter]

Pigeon thing sounds backwards, they can see but reality doesn’t slow down because you can see more frames per second. If a video lasts 1 minutes and for the pigeon it “slower” the minute would be more than a minute so pigeon can warp time?

[@Farzlepot]

We're finally making monitors that will appeal to pigeons.

[@scubaguy007]

The average life of a pigeon is six years. Of course I had to Google it!

[@TintagelEmrys]

There are actually about 80-90 pictures a second, there are just usually 4 in a row the same. At just 24 a second, persistence of vision doesn't happen, it looks flickery. The early movies had this happen, hence flicks.

[@almostfm]

Neither analog nor digital video is shot at 80-90 fps unless they're purposefully overcranking the camera to get a slow-motion effect in the finished product. They don't do it because they don't need to. "Persistence of vision" has nothing to do with it-it's down to motion blur. When you shoot a scene, for each frame, the shutter is open for a particular amount of time. While the shutter is open, any movement is captured (either on the film or digital media) as a slight blurring of the item moving. At 24fps, that's enough for your eye to stitch things together and give fluid motion. I'm pretty sure this idea that it takes more frames for smooth motion comes from video games-I know I certainly never heard of it until about 15 years ago, and I've been in the broadcasting business. If you're shooting live-action with a camera, that motion blur happens automatically. If you're Pixar and can spend 53 _hours_ of computer time rendering an average frame of "Finding Dory", you can throw a crapton of systems at it in a giant render farm and have the render engines calculate how much each pixel in the image would move during the time the "shutter" was open, and after a total of 1800 years of computing time, you've got a finished movie. But your XBox doesn't have that kind of power, and you don't want to wait 2 days for each frame of your game to appear on screen, so there's no practical way to do realistic motion blur, and unblurred 24fps _does_ look choppy. But you can get around that by ditching the motion blur and just rending in-game at a higher fps. 120 fps does 5 frames for each one that would appear in a digital or analog movie camera and the higher frame rate smoothes out the motion. Finally, old, old films were typically shot at about 16fps, or even 12 in some cases-that's why those appear to flicker. 16fps isn't enough to give smooth motion even with motion blur.

[@TintagelEmrys]

@@almostfm I did not type clearly, film projectors would cover up the light a few times per frame so it flashed. It was only 24 frames a second, but it would flicker more rapidly. It also wasn't really persistence of vision I guess, bit just that you could see the light going on and off. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5_CkIlmpKp9qbc Here is a video explaining how the projectors work and it explains with pictures how this happened.

[@almostfm]

@@TintagelEmrys OK, now I understand what you were saying, and we each got a part of the picture.

[@TintagelEmrys]

@@almostfm Ya, I did not word my original comment very well.

[@steppenhenge]

no wonder my pigeons still aren't satisfied with my 240hz monitor

[@rooneye]

0:43 why does the newer Harrison Ford star look more older and weathered than the older one?

[@Dave1507]

maybe the older one died younger??

[@rooneye]

@@Dave1507 Wait what? The silent guy had his star put there in 1960. Indiana was in 2003. You'd think silent Harrison's would look way more weathered. I guess it's just location and people walking on it and shit.

[@Dave1507]

@@rooneye oh, you meant the actual star, not the person "Filmstar" my bad, i totally missread that

[@Dave1507]

@@rooneye walking and touching, probably..

[@tomconnors8165]

Maybe the popularity and traffic has worn it down. I also thought you meant the actors picture and came into the replies to explain how pictures and time work.

[@sophitsa79]

People who are interested in robotics I'm sure would be interested in the research on pigeons' sight

[@SpeccyMan]

I'm interested in robotics and remarkably disinterested when it comes to pigeons.

[@sophitsa79]

@@SpeccyMan 🤣

[@rooty]

Peter Jackson made the whole Hobbit trilogy just for pigeons

[@guillaumebelfiore3665]

OMG ! Trevor Noah and Sandi with Stephen Fry in QI ! We need to see that again, it would be hilarious

[@paulwallis7586]

Wouldn't be a bit of liability for a pigeon to go to a movie, and then have to come back again and again?

[@columbus8myhw]

For anyone else confused, U films mean ages *4 and older Edited a silly

[@columbus8myhw]

They might catch some PG films I guess (the UK rating system is different from the US)

[@jeandonaghue2150]

The U certificate means it's suitable for children aged 4 and older

[@columbus8myhw]

@@jeandonaghue2150 Oh yeah that's a better way to phrase it, I didn't mean to imply that you _age out_ once you're over 7

[@zapkvr]

How does that faster frame rate affect your perception of time?

[@jsunshinejull]

Was North By Northwest a thriller? I don't really remember it that way... 🤔

[@jeffstranks1055]

I heard that in Portugal Psycho was titled as (and I translate): 'The Man who thought he was his mother'. (O homem que achava que era a mae) How to mess up a film eh?

[@mcastro4697]

someone lie to you...

[@jeffstranks1055]

@@mcastro4697 Fair enough.

[@mcastro4697]

@@jeffstranks1055 in fact is “Psico” here 🇵🇹