Caller's Mormon God Encounter and Claims of Supernatural Healings | Jimmy Snow & Eric (S&S)

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Caller H shares his personal experience of seeing God and Jesus, which strengthened his faith in a unique personal form of Mormonism. Hosts Jimmy and Eric challenge H to provide well-reasoned arguments for his beliefs. The conversation becomes heated as H struggles to give clear, direct answers and fails to present concrete evidence for his claims about supernatural healing and mind-body connections. Despite the hosts' efforts to guide the discussion, the call ends abruptly with H dropping off the line
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[@torreysauter8954]

"I think you're being very dishonest not letting me ramble aimlessly and change subject on a whim" They want you to just sit and listen but can't listen to basic directions themselves.

[@Quadrupliplex]

yeah, they just want to preach.

[@mhoppy6639]

Yep they so desperately want to be heard but resolutely refuse to listen.

[@generyan2332]

I had a Morman supervisor that had 6 kids and gave 10% of his paycheck to the church while working 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week. He was driving 60 miles to work and 60 miles back home every workday. He was also an elder at his church. He was proud of his young adult son for doing missionary work in other countries. Religion can be a brain washing catastrophe. Especially when you're feeding your family on only 90% of your earnings. And then teaching your children the same irrational decisions on how to live their only one life that they have to live.

[@claudiaarjangi4914]

True. Like in the old days, when the church was the one financial etc support network in your village, tithing etc absolutely made sense. Cos it was a form of social security, where they'd help you/feed you if your husband died, became homeless etc. Nowadays it's just not like that. Government does that job, & most churches ( especially the big rich ones ) aren't going to be there to help if the wheels fall off. This is what happens when people aren't taught the real reason for these traditions like tithing , praying etc. When the situation no longer calls for it, they don't even know, & can still be taken advantage of, by people that use those traditions for personal gain instead .

[@ChismesLiterarios2024]

When my mom and I started to deconstruct we decided we would give our ten percent to charities or to buy food for homeless and stuff. One church lady told us that we were stealing from god. That we should give the money to the church we went to. Sorry but my mom and I decided not to help our pastor to buy a plane for himself

[@dansherwood9851]

It’s obvious you folks do not understand the wisdom and purpose of tithing so it does not make sense to you.

[@generyan2332]

@@dansherwood9851 Explain it all to us rational, critical thinking people that do understand it through required wisdom. You need to understand what the word wisdom means and the purpose of using it.

[@Imperial-Socialist]

​@dansherwood9851 it's been 8 days. Are you still trying to find the good part of tithing?

[@soulcrewblue8629]

Jimmy is on top form here. He is very good at this, cutting through the nonsense as soon as it starts.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Yeah, when most hosts have become understandably jaded and realised they are talking to the intelligence equivalent of a rock (excluding Matt of course) Jimmy is getting more succinct, experienced and passionate about finding the truth.

[@agencymenace1090]

@soulcrewblue8629 My only criticism was he ran over Eric a few times. They're currently cohosts despite Jimmy being a producer.

[@lipgloss202]

The patience of the hosts are superhuman. I was listening and I had a negative "mind body" reaction to the ramblings.

[@solly119119]

I get Eric was trying his best to get through to this caller, but really, Jimmy was right to pull the plug even if it meant stepping on Eric's toes a bit. We all need to realize when someone is simply too far gone.

[@waynedexter]

Eric must be a smidge of a masochist

[@Flibberty-Giblets]

As someone with a severe lack of patience, I’m always astounded with Eric’s superhuman level of it.

[@Nocturnalux]

@@Flibberty-GibletsHe hasn’t been doing this half as long as Jimmy has.

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

Idk about too far gone. People need to sleep on these conversations before being able to internalize them.

[@solly119119]

@@TheModdedwarfare3 I'd agree for many callers, but there are some who make it painfully clear their mind is too poisoned to turn back to rationality. Or if they ever do, it isn't going to happen because they received sound counter-arguments on some atheist show.

[@dhwyll]

"What's your favorite color"? Once, I saw a beaver!

[@mariearce8021]

That is a good one. I also spit out some of my coffee.

[@scotthoenle7693]

There are many documented stories of you seeing beaver.

[@eldritchwulfe]

Thanks I just had it stuffed. 100 bonus points for anyone who got the reference

[@juanktrumpet10]

Always happy to see The Line to let a new caller know of their intentions. Much respect

[@Jason_Horner]

This call reminded me of road trips; are we there? almost... are we there? almost... are we there...

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

desperation compounded to make him listen, stop dodging, be honest and in general have a meaningful conversation. the damage from religion is deep.

[@waynedexter]

When it comes to defending their religious beliefs being honest does not comport

[@desnick2316]

People like these are used to talking with like minded people and echo chambers where anecdote, a story, preaching, fallacies are encouraged and praised. False way of thinking is not seen as a problem, but sign of faith and therefore good. So these people do not know how to have conversations and have their arguments challenged. They can't believe you don't just trust them and nod, because that is what they are used to.

[@boringth]

Miss you Jimmy!

[@Frynge357]

love it when they defend themselves with "but let me finish!" guys, if you're stopped, it's because you've made an error and they're trying to correct you on something. to continue would be to keep running with a mistake.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Why on earth would any family member recommend being a caller on the show if not because of spite 😂

[@TheTruthKiwi]

I'm sure they've had enough of this guys nonsense and were hoping he'd get Matt. 😂

[@creamwobbly]

Honestly I think it comes from a good place. Although we know full well that the religious are credulous af, they're not stupid. They believe shit like they do quite often to prop up hateful social positions, and they're smart to pick an all-powerful comic book character for their excuse.

[@kaihedgie1747]

I could tell with that name and location, they went into this absolutely zero intention of being honest

[@kaiza6467]

Another red flag is when their pronouns are either “non given” or something dumb like “my pronouns are Jesus/Is/Lord.”

[@fekinel]

Believing your own visions is called 'insanity', believing somebody else's visions is called 'religion'..😕

[@Kawamura2]

You can have "visions" and not be insane. Maybe not completely rational, but depending on the setting, and your state of mind at the time, even sane people can have weird hallucinations. Also, I don't believe you have to have mental illness to be a theist. Just being indoctrinated all of your life can bring on "visions" or experiences.

[@DrKlausTrophobie]

@@Kawamura2 @fekinel didn't say that _having_ visions is a form of insanity.

[@JewelEzra]

​@@Kawamura2or misinterpretation of experiences.

[@Kawamura2]

@@DrKlausTrophobie I believe he did actually. "Believing your own visions is called insanity" What's the difference between believing and having, in this context?

[@Kawamura2]

@@JewelEzra Exactly. It, for most is nothing more than misinterpretations of what is going on, based on the things they've been told all their life about god and his mysterious ways. Now, there are religious people who are mentally ill, and religions of all kinds can exacerbate mental illness, but i don't think it's that way for most.

[@impartialthrone2097]

Oh my goodness, H is absolutely exhausting to listen to, I'm sure he was exhausting to talk to. Sounds like he's talkin with a mouthful of marbles.

[@norcodaev]

What’s the difference between remission and spontaneous remission? There is a point where a person is ill, and a point where that illness has gone into remission. That’s just how illnesses sometimes work.

[@victorhoisington5603]

Caller: "I was raised Mormon". I: "Say no more!"😂

[@victoriafuller4148]

If you were born in Saudi Arabia you would have seen Allah and Mohamed. What miracles gods provide!

[@BlessYourHeart254]

“I believe my experiences have helped me to believe.” Word salad circular reasoning 🤦‍♀️

[@Uctus8]

H is doing a hypothetical from a House episode...

[@averycoleman2422]

This caller is among the most dishonest of them all. Really had nothing to say.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Not a single straight answer 😑

[@dhwyll]

Of course there is a "mind-body connection." One of the main biological processes is hormone response and one pathway to produce hormones is the brain. Stress results in a release of cortisol which has effects in the body. Nobody denies the existence of a "mind-body connection." And it is trivially true that we don't understand all of that connection, so to keep harping on it is not helpful. We already know there is such a thing. But that connection, as far as we can tell and as far as we have been able to study, is purely physical. It is a biochemical reaction between various organ systems. Where does the "and then a miracle occurs" step happen? For example, in response to stress, the hypothalamus releases corticotropin-releasing hormone. This leads to the pituitary releasing adrenocorticotropic hormone. That leads to the adrenal glands releasing epinephrine (adrenaline) and norepinephrine (noradrenaline). Where is the "god" portion of this hormone cascade? The body has healing processes. It's why when you cut yourself, you don't bleed out. The blood clots, the wound closes, new skin grows. Is the claim that god is involved somehow? So since we know that the body can heal itself, by what justification can we claim something else is involved? We have an entire field of medicine dedicated to showing that certain interventions have effects that can help heal things. Where is the evidence that god is such a thing? When we've studied the effect of prayer, we've actually found that those who know they are being prayed for have worse outcomes. It all boils down to the question theists cannot answer: Is there anything that happens on its own or is god required for everything? If there is something that happens on its own, how do you tell the difference between those things that don't require god and those things that do?

[@haydenwalton2766]

'im not familiar with the show but i was told to call in...' fresh meat !

[@seannelson3613]

It's so annoying when the cohost attempts to revive a dead conversation. There are people waiting on hold, let them speak. The guy had his chance and screwed it up.

[@vegass04]

Well Eric is usually Mrs Goodie two shoes that can't stop giggliing when hearing a word like "fuc+". What did you expect from him?

[@Tr00therate]

I like when the co-host plays good cop, and trys the reframe the question in a more digestible way. I find that is usually when the caller gets truly exposed, (for a short but glorious moment) and are forced to look at thier own fallacious/ irrational reasoning.

[@seannelson3613]

@@Tr00therate Yeah, that makes sense.

[@old_scaly]

I’m H from Midwest, and I’m incapable of answering questions.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Imagine spending an eternity with this guy.

[@spottedturtle9455]

Sounds like a version of Sartre's No Exit.

[@watcher235711]

underrated comment TruthKiwi. "Heaven for the climate, hell for the company."

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

14:19 ..... *Than WHY don't we ALL, get those experiences ?!* If your god is real, why does he only give you, and some others that experience ? 🤦‍♂

[@Ffeoli1039]

God just doesn't believe in keeping their Free will intact.

[@Alakaizer]

For not being familiar with the show he sounds like so many others.

[@davidbeazley1958]

Always a red flag when the caller is asked yes or no questions and replies with long rambling non answers… 🙄

[@vodking]

This guy just simply doesn’t have the intellectual firepower to really have this discussion with smart people.

[@quotedotes]

"ch-ch-check out the pear project..." Theists are motivated to misunderstand and avoid understanding what anyone says, whenever it might perhaps threaten or lessen their magical beliefs in some way. They already enegage in magical thinking, what's a little more magic to protect their identity in the in-group?

[@Ratciclefan]

Why are they always like this?

[@watcher235711]

Who is this magical Coff Medicine and how may I worship him?

[@Mythago314]

I have a personal belief that anyone who claims they will now present sufficient evidence for God, will immediately start questioning your beliefs without actually presenting any evidence. This is simply logical because everything that exists must have a cause, and besides, Occam's razor.

[@richardbennett9700]

FoMo here. I don't believe this knucklehead at all. I think he may have had a dream and if he did he knows for sure that it was a dream. I listened to ridiculous tales just like this one in a great number of fast and testimony meetings by members whom would get up, bear their testimony, and make up wild stories about supernatural experiences they have had since the previous fast and testimony meeting. It got so bad that the bishop dictated to the ward that any further telling of these wild stories would need to be cleared by the bishopric before they were shared to the members during the once a month bearing of the testimony on fast Sunday. The number of these tales dropped off dramatically after that admonition by bishop. He took their fairytale hour away by discouraging lying. This is what organized religion does. It encourages lying to keep up with the mystical experiences of the Joneses. Lying to keep your faith/status/popularity, etc is sad

[@quacks2much]

If his spiritual experiences were while waking, he probably had hypnopompic dreams. I have a fair number, and I thought maybe it was a sign of schizophrenia or other mental illness, so I asked a sleep doctor about it and he told me that what I had experienced were hypnopompic dreams. The second scariest one I had was when I had a dream that a semi-truck was about to hit me head-on. I consciously "decided" to wake up because I didn't like the dream, but when I opened my eyes, I saw the semi-truck in the room still coming at me. Just as the truck appeared to smash my face into the grill, it very rapidly faded away. The truck appeared blue, probably because I dream in color. 34:19 The scariest experience I had was when I woke up and thought I was dead because I couldn't move because I (thought I) was dead. (Extreme claustrophobia started to kick in.) My lack of belief in an afterlife helped me. I first thought, "Oh no, I'm dead." Then I said to myself, "Wait, I can't be dead because if I'm dead I can't think I'm dead." I struggled a bit to wake up and then I became unparalyzed. (This incident was probably "sleep paralysis," rather than hypnopomic dreaming.)

[@alexhetherington8028]

Sleep paralysis is terrifying. I've only experienced it once and I absolutely did not like it. The whole thing is bizarre,it's confusing and scary. I thought I was permanently paralysed and not knowing about this phenomena before that point scared me greatly

[@isaacmachado1238]

If you're watching on KZbin on a smartphone, you can hold down the screen to speed up the video 2x when the caller is droning on

[@Imperial-Socialist]

Or just use the settings

[@isaacmachado1238]

@Imperial-Socialist yeah but then you gotta go into settings to change it back. I'm talking about the equivalent of holding FastForward to get through the gish galloping

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

People alter their religious beliefs, adjusting their understanding to imagine a better, more loving god, or a less harsh punishment after life. Until everyone has their own personal god, that fits with their morals or preferences. Religions teach that truth can be found by closing your eyes and bending your head. While that may be a good start, it needs to be tested against reality. Otherwise we have set up an epistemology that accepts any thought that feels right as Truth. Which results in believing conspiracy theories.

[@briannelson27]

Nailed it. Believing things leads to all manner of brain rot including: conspiracies, religion, nft's, crypto, bigfoot, conservatism, the gold standard. All non falsifiable beliefs are the same.

[@hartree.y]

God, I'm physically sick listening to this much dishonesty and arrogance from the caller...

[@niblick616]

The reason my irrelevant reason is relevant is because ......nothing.

[@melodygarrison7531]

Most of the callers are too stupid to talk to. I wouldn’t have the patience 😣

[@ericwilliams1659]

Soaking and Magical underwear and super heaven. So weird.

[@ryugrieger7244]

yes jimmy, i am dumber for it. H, talk down to people and i don't care what you're saying.. try taking turns and not trying to trap the hosts.. you're failing to make any points at all.

[@generyan2332]

Lessons H learned, but didn't learn his lesson about BS.

[@danielconroy6695]

It's a shame you didn't just let him answer. I would have loved to see where he went with it and see if he could make a single rational point at any time rather than just avoiding the question. 😂😂

[@Deadman1000]

Just a reminder to thiests, it's their show, they can do whatever they please with it. Maybe make your own show where you can lie about history and science to other delusional folks?

[@yippieskippy2971]

Again

[@Caitlin_TheGreat]

Confrontational _content,_ especially with raised and tense voices, has always put me on edge. I'm willing to bet it's some buried childhood trauma causing it. Why do I keep watching these shows? Anyway, because of that I get conflicted where I know obviously the caller is full of sh-t -- though I'm not completely certain the caller knows it. And I know it's important to confront the lies and nonsensical thinking not only to maybe help the caller but also let the audience know that, yeah, this is anti-logical thinking that makes no sense and is super reliant on jumping to unfounded conclusions. But still... could you do it nicer? Lol This is why I couldn't do a show like this. I'd be too gentle, trying to guide and encourage the caller toward realizing it doesn't make sense. Maybe the guy isn't consciously aware he's lying, but he might be and so that's where you guys have gotta be blunt and direct and not give him room to hide being more lies and BS.

[@malusofficial]

I actually empathize a lot with your point, raised voices and confrontation tend to trigger traumatic flashbacks for me, but what I would offer is that people like Jimmy and Matt have to go through thousands of callers every year, and many of them aren't even remotely interested in listening (not just being obliviously ignorant, but willfully), so they end up trying to take over their platform to spew religious doctrine, to which the hosts need to stop definitively. I definitely would be a lot softer too, but honestly I'd probably get walked all over on lol, and after years of it I wouldn't be surprised if I had a bit less patience too, especially when callers like these hold up the endless line of other callers waiting on hold.

[@Disturbed0neGaming]

I'm going to make a wild guess and say that this guy saw Jesus right after being held under water for 10 minutes???🙄 The dodging and outright refusing to answer simple questions is the only reason needed to not listen to a word this guy says.

[@Dock284]

Why does this H person sound like my grandpa?

[@I-am-bruno]

👍🏼

[@joemason8667]

The shows are becoming mundane. The theists calling in sound all alike. Change up the dynamics. Maybe more atheist calls??

[@victoria6137]

If ur intrested in more atheist calls I've found their full length streams have more atheist callers in them. There's ussually a comment with timestamps and drief descriptions too if u don't wanna watch the whole thing. I think the shorter clips are ussually theists cause those are like "crazier".

[@phrozenwun]

To sum up: Host, I will tentatively accept that you had experiences, I will not accept your interpretation of them without well founded reasoning.Caller, ramble, dissemble, mumble, bumble... therefor God. SMH

[@timgalivan2846]

Ngostisism is a dead religion. He's using the term differently than we do today which is where the confusion is coming from

[@Captain_Spickard]

Jimmy needs to produce and let Eric host.

[@Imperial-Socialist]

Why?

[@ponyboygarfunkel1675]

I see a similarity between claims of supernatural healing and claims that a man can transition into a woman.

[@gregbaker2377]

Then you definitely need to call in an present that idea. Hopefully you get to talk to Jimmy.

[@ponyboygarfunkel1675]

@@gregbaker2377 >"Then you definitely need to call in an present that idea. Hopefully you get to talk to Jimmy."< No, I believe in neither faith-based claim.

[@GoodBrotherGrimm]

Then you're an ignorant clown. Glad I could help 😁

[@derkylos]

Except that you can observe a man doing things we associate with being a woman. You can't observe an amputee regrowing their limbs.

[@chillinsquirtle]

Considering there are studies about transitioning and gender identity and there are none about specifically supernatural healing you just aren't very scientifically literate

[@jarrajamz]

Jimmys a speech pattern oligist now😮

[@ozzietad666]

Well I won’t be calling in lol- I have autism and cannot always answer yes or no as it’s not always black and white and I need to put in detail to be honest. But everyone is different t with communication and neurology of course/

[@FortunePayback]

Then your ability to reason is fundamentally flawed and you're making up an excuse.

[@ozzietad666]

@@FortunePayback maybe - I have a diagnosed neurological condition so I’m fully aware of my brains imperfections- I have very high spacial awareness but am extremely impaired at social cartoons. Some questions have yes or no answers- some are a bit more nuanced. Or need clarification to narrow down the exact question at hand. But I was simply commenting that I would also be annoying as a caller- I have enough insight to know that. However not quite as annoying as this guy. Not sure what the bitchy reference to me using an excuse- I don’t have any urge to ring in and debate people I generally agree with on the whole. I was just relating to aspects, of both the caller and the hosts, frustration.

[@Persun_McPersonson]

@@FortunePayback Not everything has a simple yes/no answer, though all the questions the caller was asked did, I'm pretty sure.

[@MisterRorschach90]

If any religion were true I feel like I’d want Mormonism to be true. But that it was highly modified by Joseph smith because he’s a con man and that guys wife stole the original copy. Some of the ideas in the religion just seem like a cool science fiction novel. Haha I feel like it could be modified to be a very interesting afterlife.

[@Nocturnalux]

Unless you’re a woman. The Mormon “heaven” is absolute horror for a woman. Birthing spirit children forever. No thanks. I’d rather burn in hell.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

Agree with @Nocturnalux-yet another religion where we women get the s*** end of the stick. No thank you.