Quadzilla Banshee vs Raptor 700 ( Fastest 2-Stroke vs Fastest 4-Stroke)

[@2vintage]

Which quad would you pick?

[@vincentboule7881]

quadzilla

[@ronniewilliz153]

the raptor cus the 500 isn't tuned

[@keepitrealfornow3173]

2 stroke, no question

[@ronniewilliz153]

@martin barr's CRF450 lol no it's not u silly goose

[@jeredalmeida1880]

The one that doesn't have a bunch of unnecessary moving parts.

[@ericsacco7406]

I have an 87 zilla that is ported and higher compression with pipe. I smoked a TRX450R and a YFZ450R with no issues on a dry lake bed. Both of those other quads were more fun to ride in the tight stuff and would wheelie a lot easier. The ZIlla likes to just go fast and feels so dated. But i LOVE it!!

[@ericsacco7406]

@Danny Did not matter what part of the band he was in... it was NO contest. From a dead start or roll on I took him easy.

[@stevefritch3180]

Hey Joe. That was a great race! Both quads look awesome and possess different characteristics. It was cool to see your bro in the video as he hasn't been in any of your recent vids. Keep up the great work and looking forward to next video.

[@smbdy5519]

That Banshee sounds like it could go much higher rpm s but something is limiting it maybe jetting or air filter

[@ronniewilliz153]

it needs to be tuned

[@smbdy5519]

@@ronniewilliz153 that's what I'm saying

[@Fox250R]

@@smbdy5519 every bike these guys own needs to be tuned lol

[@smbdy5519]

@@Fox250R LMFAO

[@techs1smh13]

It's a 500 they don't rev past maybe 7500. Four stroke probably 9000

[@johnnym4400]

Chuck is an all around better rider, You don't wind out your gears long enough, you shift way to low in the RPM's.

[@mmaaddict78]

I can’t blame him, I’d be a bit leery of blowing that banshee up again as well.

[@bannana6290]

its misinformation its noa suzki 250r or 200 on a yahmaha look at 11:29 clear as day the banshees were twin carbed and twin piston 350 or the 500 would rip the raptor stock banshees there gone cause there deadly fast

[@lennydetloff1031]

Had the same thought 💭

[@dannytyson3278]

Heck yeah bro I look forward to seeing your vids !

[@jacoberbe2351]

Might want to get a bigger petcock for the quadzilla banshee. Possibly running the bowl dry at full throttle. Look at a pingel valve. Stock banshee petcocks don't flow alot of fuel. And I bet that eats fuel like crazy

[@2vintage]

Yeah it does

[@Mattelocket5152]

Id also check jetting, those quadzillas are know to be hard to keep running because they often run insanely lean, same thing with the LT250

[@EzMoney88]

Sounds like the gap òn the banshee plug is too far out..

[@chrisbrumbaugh9936]

I was thinking jetting but it's got potential

[@keepitrealfornow3173]

Nothing sounds better on a Sunday morning!!

[@joenatoli715]

Hell yeah joe!! Always love to see chuck make an appearance haha, the 700 is faster for now, I still think the 500 isn’t fully cleared, when the all cleared out I think it’ll stand a chance 🔥

[@wyattelder7776]

Jesus loves you

[@garbageman3992]

I don't mind 4 stroke, I ride 2 stroke and 4 stroke but the fact that an untuned 1987 two stroke that has 200 less cc's can still keep up with the modern tuned in 4 stroke shows how amazing two stroke is, if they kept making two stroke improvements and put it in the same frame and such it wouldn't even be a challenge.

[@bannana6290]

this is a 200cc suzki motr bro look at 11:29

[@garbageman3992]

@@bannana6290 im sorry what? that is a 700cc yamaha raptor, not a 200cc suzuki

[@user-rb8do7mw4l]

@@bannana6290 What? The Quadzilla Banshee has a Suzuki LT500 engine in it and the Raptor has a Raptor 700cc engine. Go watch the series lol

[@foxxstain]

@@garbageman3992 woooosh

[@garbageman3992]

@@foxxstain wym? this isnt a joke i missed or anything im just stating my opinion?

[@VahallaBound]

Great race love the channel Joe! More Vinnie and family if that’s ok 😅

[@corporalclegg914]

Big Charles in the House. that’s great to see. you bros haven’t changed a shred

[@buckinbronco1291]

Where did you get all your knowledge to rebuild stuff? I want to start my self but dont know where to begin.

[@ALDA2479]

I been riding for over 35yrs the quadzilla should beat the raptor I think there is still a little somethings going on with the bike because it stays sounding congested as if maybe carb needs finer tuned or even a different carb all together

[@nickbushta3542]

What was ur first bike because I’m thinking about getting a Yamaha yz 125 for my first

[@kenyelltillery5354]

Put exhaust air filter power commander on the raptor. An you can put any kind of carb you want on that 500 it want be a race.

[@hotboyz4202]

He isn’t hitting power band is the problem

[@michaelleinbach6249]

@@nickbushta3542 Depending on your weight... that should determine if you get a 125 or not. IF you are over 175... You should probably get a 250 and just ease into it. I found that the 125 was great... but very quickly you will want more power. Just get the 250 and be easy and sensible. If you don't believe you can be sensible... I couldn't at a young age...then stick with the 125. I'm not sure about the exact weight so you may want to look into it. But me at 200 pounds on a 125... I can feel its power but it seems to not be moving like it sounds. The 250 doesn't give a shit about my 200 pounds. lol

[@CarAudioObsessions]

Way too rich up top.

[@winchracing64]

I just built a stretched 06 blaster with raptor a-arms,hubs,suspension,swingarm ect...with a 05 crf450r built engine. It's a freaking animal!!!

[@arturomedina5746]

Bro do you have it on you tube so that we can check it out?

[@jaydenrobertson5061]

Yeah I’d love to see it

[@elibnem4126]

Oh now that sounds like fun

[@NyMadePookie]

Not only have we had the luxury of watching you build a bunch of beasts we also had the luxury of watching Charlie grow to a grown man 😂🤌🏼

[@bannana6290]

this is fake agenda misinformation to rot our brains look at 11:29 its a 200 or 250cc suzuki motor on a yahmaha with jett problems and messed up air fuel or clogged jet

[@puff427]

Great vid.close race both riders. I remember u hide chucks bike n the woods n told him it was stolen..lmfao..Great 2 c him doing good and still riding..b safe.peace..

[@bighomieJ5X]

You gotta love the power of a 500cc 2 stroke engine 😁😁

[@dc202dadangerzone5]

WE MISS U & BRUH BATTLING IT OUT ON DA BIKES ... MORE PLEASE ... SALUTE BRUH

[@mmaaddict78]

Chuck is always a good sport. Nice job you’ve done on both machines.

[@bannana6290]

hes polluting your brains with misinformation

[@Hudson12339]

You deserve more sups! Keep up the grind!!

[@Johnbruzzi4234]

That’s a joke right

[@Hudson12339]

@@Johnbruzzi4234 Nope

[@Johnbruzzi4234]

He has way too many subs compared to other channels like mike Saba or time machines or ononewheel

[@Hudson12339]

@@Johnbruzzi4234 Ok, I can't fine mike Saba but on one wheel does not do the same kind of content and is newer then 2vintage. 2vintage has been girding for years and years and puts on quality content. I do agree that time machines has good content tho just not as informative

[@arturomedina5746]

Crazy that you post this up today.. just yesterday a Michael Sabo video came up on my KZbin and what he said about the raptor 700 being fastest quad out there got me thinking if he's right.. and now u put this video just confirming what I heard .. I would have liked to see a couple of more races maybe 6 total. With u on the raptor 3 times and then the other 3 on the 500.. but I like your videos...thanx again..

[@bengibson3955]

Quick tip-Stop shutting the bikes down immediately after a full-throttle run. It puts a lot of heat into the top end of the barrel, head, piston crown and exhaust ports, which require coolant flow to remove and dissipate the heat. Engine components generally live much longer, happier lives if they are heated and cooled gradually. Most mechanical systems are the same-try parking your car immediately after doing something like a 20 minute session on a racetrack. You”get a big hot spot where the calliper and brake pads sit and I’ve seen a number of cracked rotors. What you’ll usually see at track days with modded road cars is a bunch of people driving slowly behind the pits for 3 or 4 minutes to slowly remove heat from brake rotors. This cooling period is not just for brakes, it’s also done to slowly remove heat from the engine.

[@bengibson3955]

Sorry for the long winded comment.

[@0ptimal]

@@bengibson3955 good info, makes sense

[@TwIn603]

Makes total sense I’ll keep this in mind always

[@jaybeezy4843]

How do you do plug chops?

[@mineer-pg5sv]

Thx for the tip I never knew this

[@lbdrummer3]

That was pretty awesome, great video!

[@apaudorff]

Why dont you try getting the jetting correct on the lt500r engine and redo the race

[@manaaalsuwaidi3643]

Good to see you guys again at it! The first video I've ever saw in your channel was a banshee vs a quarzilla (and I subscribed after! 👍🏻) Back in the days! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Keep it up!

[@RagdollRacingInc]

Been a minute broski 🤙 how you been mate 👍🇭🇲

[@codymakowski7394]

The raptor looks like it doesn't have any water in the coolant Reservoir

[@VONTA_305]

Quadzilla banshee vs the snowmobile banshee 💥💥💥

[@peteraitken6494]

Two sweet quads gor sure must say though I do like the raptor awesome machine good race between both not much in it great vid joe take care to you and chuck he's a good sport 🔧🔧🔧👍👍👌

[@noostNL]

Love your videos!

[@johnbryant5086]

That Zilla needed a good rider you just brought shame to all of us Zilla owners

[@Dmk35]

STOCK raptor wow, don’t need pipes or tune just factory fast, great video👍🏽

[@billmarty8526]

I'd take the banshee but with a 350 twin with fmf fattys,what kind of 2 stroke oil do you run again?

[@bannana6290]

its a 250 quadacer motor bro 11:29

[@jonathoncatterson8901]

@@bannana6290 looks like a 500 head. The head is too big to be a 250

[@timothyzhelnovakov5586]

19:13 that’s at least how fast your cr500 should have gone

[@mikeharwell9823]

What are the tubes coming out of the gas caps

[@RanchDelivery]

I was waiting for the title to be “Charlie blew up my quadzilla banshee”

[@briangreenfield7236]

Is the Banshee idling high ?

[@agustinbrescia4225]

Que paso con el? No as echo más videos 😥

[@tshoreproductions9184]

I was literally scrolling through Marketplace for a banshee and found your quadzilla banshee on there.

[@maxball7497]

New vids glad to see it

[@robertsheehanii8096]

I mean, it's a cool quad but what made you want to do the hybrid project? I have a banshee and wouldn't want to put a different motor in it. Same if I had a zilla. What brought on the idea?

[@steviedee71]

That banshee sounds pissed off lol

[@JesusNavarro-no5wb]

I've got a 2021 raptor 700r with a slip on and k&n filter top speed no wind is 87.5, when there is wind pushing it hits 91. I tested it with 6 different speed apps and drove a rzr next to it and they were all the same result if not 1 mph different. I tested it at el mirage dry lake bed, have proof as well 🤟

[@backyardrestorations]

3:09 why isn’t the oil blue?

[@cxbra]

I love this channel! One thing I can say is, you need MORE HEAT in that 2 stroke! Everytime you turn the bikes off after a run its cooling off to square one.. also with the Raptor and all 4 strokes, they need high oil temperature to safely rev out! You are stressing these motors to full redline after warming them up for 45 seconds 🤦🏾‍♂️.. thats not hot enough. 2 strokes need the pipe super hot with a nice fat air/fuel mixture to rev out and the 4 strokes need a high oil temp, or else 👿 . Leave the bikes running longer. I like to leave my bikes on without ever turning them off until im ready to cool em off.

[@GuessWhoGurr]

Nice, I'm about to go check out my banshee's top speed today!!

[@bannana6290]

11:29 suzki 250r

[@markalan4026]

@@bannana6290 its a lt500 quad racer engine, not a 250r.

[@chad7934]

I have outrun every stock race quad on market with my stock 700 they can’t be beat

[@jasonstewart8973]

Man just something special bout 2stroke big bores

[@TaNgLeD2121]

Great vid, sounds like the banshee cuts out mid powerband, that’s where all the magic happens lol I think the banshee will be faster when that’s figured out, also your shifting gears to quick

[@techtard829]

The problem you are having with the 500, is that you put it on a platform designed for a 350 and didn't account for the increase in displacement. The petcock is not flowing enough fuel, and the airbox is likely not providing enough air. As it sits now, my tuned Blaster 200 would eat it alive. Fix those two things and THEN tune the engine. I guarantee it will blow your mind when it is running properly. Night and day difference. After that, find a good pipe, re-tune it and prepare to meet your maker!

[@bannana6290]

its not a banshee motor anot a twin 350 or a 500 its a suzki 250 r motor look at 11:29

[@gtisid]

think the jetting is out on the banshee its breaking up on full throttle. its just one of those bikes that needs a lot of fettling

[@royhenson3379]

Love the Banzilla.

[@joedeckinflyover]

What kind of 2 stroke oil are you using ?

[@lucascady4992]

Quadzilla's more Myth than Legend! I had one, rebuilt everything from the ground Up, Almost $6000 in after market/OEM parts.. If you truly want a fast one, find a mint One, put on a DrQ pipe, V-force reeds, lectron carb, a change the gearing with the sprockets.. It's only a 5speed so it really doesn't have the wide open top end.. But I've seen a few do triple didgets!! ✌️

[@chadscott2499]

Should of put the 500 in a 250r frame way better platform and quad banshee is good for one thing a straight line and that's it

[@SMOKEY-JAYS-DIESEL]

That Suzuki banshee was running really rich

[@maxwilliamson9735]

You do a video on the KFX 400

[@BBBoooooooBBB]

What does the oil in the gearbox have to do with the engine on a 2 stroke for that to need to be changed after top end rebuild?😂

[@yzinger9878]

if its a almost PERFECT fit there will almost always be a little bit of piston shrapnel just worn down a bit during the break in process

[@BBBoooooooBBB]

@@yzinger9878 yea, but how that would end up in gearbox oil, that's not a 4 stroke...on this, piston and cylinder are lubricated by the oil from gas-oil premix that comes by the carburetor and then comes out trough the exhaust.

[@Johnbruzzi4234]

@@benny8300 no he’s not, not by a long shot

[@murrayminimotors1674]

Sweet quads

[@garencrofoot3666]

Sounds like you need to mess with the jets it spits a sputters at top end

[@AvocatDude]

You’re an excellent mechanic.

[@realkilju]

Banshee all day everyday

[@Nebula-rx7bj]

Cool as hell, I’m thinking about selling my sportsman 550 for a yz250. Good decision?

[@chargernk7748]

Yes

[@jonathoncatterson8901]

Get a 300

[@davidkelly7921]

That Banshee slow as hell posed to be a Banshee 600 Bantry 350s or running harder than them

[@quentinrowe6432]

Didn't even sound like you were reading the banshee out

[@turdherder411]

Mix the oil 50/1 after break in of the engine. The bike will run better.

[@mineer-pg5sv]

Lmao no tf it wouldn't who told you that bs💀

[@marthepedersen1454]

0-60?

[@notjoecheez1]

You should buy a green light race starter of sorts for these little races so you guys can take off more evenly and not rely on a head nod

[@joshuasmiley583]

Sounds like that quadzilla banshees his idling way too high, or has an air leak.

[@3613jeremy]

A buddy of mine had the QuadZilla built for the dragstrip running methanol that I wanted to buy but the idea of converting it back to a usable off road quad seemed like a dumb idea so I passed on it I'll always kick myself

[@EA383RM]

Re jet the banshee get it dialled and race again it’ll win

[@daleskiog7499CS]

Maybe when you check the wheels next time. Don't just wobble the tire. Make sure your bolts are tight lol

[@daleskiog7499CS]

Don't worry he will. One of these days happens to the best of them

[@daleskiog7499CS]

I checked my bolts every time and I never do top speed runs on the street on a quad or dirt bike. They're made for the dirt

[@daleskiog7499CS]

I'm not hating either. I'm just stating the facts

[@JacksonOffroad25]

Seems like the bowl is running dry on the top end with the banshee. Winner of this needs put against a modern sport quad with fuel injection and see the difference

[@jonnyonwheels]

C’mon, @26:07 is the only (lil’) wheelie we get out of Charlie on this video?!

[@drywallman1986]

We had a quadzilla fast as jell and long ass first gear.

[@johnlouis5200]

if the stator only has bolt holes no ajustment. file the holes so you get some ajustment

[@timjackson3731]

The 500 needs better jetting, next race?

[@mikeyd717]

Just saw a video of a quadzilla doing 94. Look up top speed quadzilla idk why this one would be slower with the motor swap and port and bore.

[@mconley12345]

is it necessary to let quads cool all the time. Fun video

[@n2vxc]

the suzukaha runs like garbage, ive not seen a 2 stroke yet he has worked on really run,was breaking up the entire time and never came on the pipe.

[@nimrodus658]

exactly, i have an 87 zilla and i can guarantee that it would blow the doors off that raptor🤣

[@n2vxc]

@@nimrodus658 I give him some credit , he flounders his way through the rebuild but they never really run good. My stock banshee would pull front end up with out trying.

[@fares-220]

Nice I have a banshee 350 2009

[@SkillsFx]

Looks like you need a hotter plug. Also seems to be running very rich

[@bannana6290]

11:29 in the clip clearly a quadracer 250r motor says suzuki right on the side

[@vincentboule7881]

can you do trail riding

[@2vintage]

Yes this summer for sure!

[@johnlouis5200]

is the Banshee the one with couple base gaskets ? if so the timing needs ajusting and jet it correctly .. its not revving out

[@austingilmore7997]

The 500 should smack I can hear it cutting out on top end just wait till you get it right I love riding the big bore bikes nothing can beat them

[@bongo..]

man you got to get in the power band

[@fngherbo5972]

And is it faster with no body on it?

[@jonpecoraro8784]

Put that 500 in that raptor. That would make some serious impact on the quad guys. Name it godzilla

[@chathamguy1able]

they are both nice 4 wheelers --but i do like the looks of the raptor 700 more == i would ratter have more power then speed == keep up thre good work

[@m8fusion712]

Good race guy's

[@codemaster3696]

That is no quadzilla. Mine would stand up no problem. A regular banshee would smoke that thing

[@jamesjohnston9043]

Fun though. Like my little blasters...

[@fromex2lsturbo]

High revving idle.. breaking up at top end and overall not sounding right on the zilla buddy!! Think you should hook up with sabo and maybe some of his connections.. something still needs a tweaking for it to run right.. and you may well have it dialed in but sometimes there’s that out of the box idea someone else has that makes all the difference! What dave moore did for sabo on his 250r was incredible!! All his machines run and sound perfect now!! Best of luck pal!! Keep doin your thing!!

[@anthonyk6265]

I got a built Raptor 700 and there should be no reason that Banshee with that engine should be losing

[@shaunpaul6433]

Sorry fellas, this was not accurate at all. I have a 660 raptor punched and stroked to 800 cc. Dual FCR carbs, k and N intake +++. 4 inch extended swing etc. Goes like snot. I also have a stock 88 zilla. Will blow the frame right out from underneath my raptor. The only race I ever lost was against my own zilla. Something was not right in this comparison.

[@trip6071]

Chuck‼️‼️‼️‼️😂😂

[@arjenisarrieta2669]

You should race a yfz vs the raptor

[@JoelDymond]

They should probably have more millilitres of fluid than that not during a judge but again I’ve never seen a quad Zila put into a banshee. This is the first for me.