QUAKE II MULTIPLAYER IS AWESOME! Quake 2 Remastered

Hey everyone, just wanted to make a quick video addressing the new Quake 2 Remaster and some of the multiplayer improvements.
#quake #remastered #quake2multiplayer #quakeii #quake2 #gaming #quakecon #quakers #fps #retrogaming
Links mentioned in the video:
Quake 2 Source Code:
github.com/id-Software/quake2...
Developers talking about the netcode:
/ ironicdignifiedmuleunc...

[@ParilPMC]

Hey! I worked on the re-master. I'm glad you are enjoying the re-release and all of the additional work we did to make it feel as best as we could make it. Edward was especially crucial to making things feel the way they do online. There's definitely a lot of "small" changes like this that add up to a vastly different experience to vanilla (like AI, minor weapon rebalances, new monster attacks, etc). One small note: the lag compensation *can* be turned off on PC by the host, so not all servers will have anti-lag on, but obviously we recommend that people leave it on because it greatly improves the fun factor for high ping players. As much as I would have liked to do full weapon prediction in Q2 re-release, it would have required too many architectural changes that would have also made modding way more difficult compared to vanilla, so hitscan is the only thing that is lag compensated.

[@fr0by]

Hey there, thanks for the info! You guys all did a great job and the game feels amazing IMO. I was wondering if you happen to have any information on how to run dedicated servers? Is it currently possible? If its not - is it in the works ? From my understanding , some people have dedicated servers working in Q1R but they wont show in the in game server browser unless its one of the listen servers made in game. (please correct me if I'm wrong) I really hope that in the near future, people can have their servers up 24/7 and that they can be found in game without any 3rd party programs or websites. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Again, thanks for all the hard work you all put in, the love shows! :)

[@ParilPMC]

@@fr0by Thank you for the kind words! It's my childhood game, so it's a dream come true to have worked on it in an official capacity! We don't support headless/dedicated servers currently, but it is on our list for potential future improvements. I agree that it will be crucial to the long-term support of the game, especially since we'd like to have more "official" support for modded games (that is to say, allowing mods to be searchable/findable on PC and to have things like HTTP downloading in, so people can play new maps and stuff without needing to scan the web to find them).

[@strilchuk]

Thanks for your contribution. Is there any info about PS1 version and its deathmatch maps being added to the game eventually?

[@dariusus9870]

Someone give edward lots of money and hire him to fix quake champions.

[@sarabihyena]

Hey thankyou for this update, all the changes really add up taking quake 2 from 'fine' to actually great.

[@DonRade]

They did a good job with Quake 2! Hopefully they make a new Quake soon!

[@lucascarracedo7421]

I feel like they are secretly trying to rebuild quake as an IP and this is a great way to pave the way.

[@jorgeal2k]

If so It will not be developed by ID and I don't see Bethesda spending a cent with a new Quake when Quake Live is currently a cemetery.

[@jorgeal2k]

​@@lucascarracedo7421Kids now are not interested in Quake style gameplay. They want CoD and Battlefield yearly crap.

[@lucascarracedo7421]

@@jorgeal2k I don't think it will be a game like CoD but rather more like the recent Doom ones.

[@icravedeath.1200]

​@@jorgeal2kare you fucking high?

[@federicolazzeri8416]

quake 3 arena remaster? will be the best

[@SuperFriendBFG]

I also feel that, despite some mention of it, there isn't enough praise being given for the AI changes to the enemies. I sum up Quake 2 Remaster as such. It's Quake 2, but better in every way. That improved Tick Rate impacts said AI. All of the small AI tweaks come together to give you a much more dynamic and engaging Single Player experience.

[@fr0by]

I agree, there is a whole lot to celebrate here with this remaster. If they can make community dedicated servers work and be viewable in game. Then this is by far the most definitive way to experience Quake 2!

[@Wobbothe3rd]

I like those things, but those new features are part of the reason why old demos are incompatible. So as great as this remaster is, there will always be a need for modern sourceports like Q2PRO.

[@SuperFriendBFG]

@@Wobbothe3rd That's a good point. It does make you wonder how they got the Default Menu Demos to work with the remaster. Perhaps they're only running on the old code? Either way, that's fine. Heck, mods aren't cross compatible without recompiling the maps and such.

[@carlos-eduardo]

Quake 2 was the first game I played online with a decent PC and internet connection. At the time when Quake 1 was released, I had a 14kbps modem and a 486 PC, so I couldn't enjoy as it was intended. With Quake 2 I played A LOT and even had a clan between 98 and 2002... good times!

[@caseygomes8623]

Quake 2 online back in the day introduced me to my favorite multiplayer mode. jail break!

[@imeverywhereandnowhere56]

Yep id's netcode was always top notch. Thanks to the genius programming of John Carmack.

[@jorgeal2k]

A genius as long he don't go freak with his obsession for browser gaming.

[@doctorstainy]

The game programmer GOAT, true genius

[@KrahsThe]

I'm quite sure I'm going to start playing Q2 again. Q2DM1 is my all favorite map and I played it so much, I can't wait to get back.

[@fr0by]

Very worth checking it out!

[@sarev0k1984]

So many years and I can traverse mentally through Q2DM1 effortlessly. I played a ton Q2 back then. Unpopular opinion but for me, the best multiplayer in history.

[@goqsane]

I used to think that too until I saw QuakeWorld.

[@kretschmannjonathan6237]

Quake 2 is AWESOME !!!

[@RogerSullivanNOLA]

Its been so fun to play Q2 multiplayer again. The Q2 railgun has never been surpassed.

[@ProjectExMachina]

I had luck to play against some really good Q2 competitors as a a noob. Still have nightmares about railgun. Also, Q2 is the ultimate pvp fps in my book and it's not even close

[@cipka666]

Never been such easy😂

[@user-wz2rf4bf7d]

Я до сих пор помню, как во времена безинтернетья моей молодости я время от времени ходил в компьютерные клубы, чтобы поиграть во вторую кваку в режиме дефматч. Играли частенько на этой же карте, где внизу в закупке можно было поднырнуть в лужу, проплыть под водой и взять рельсу. Во время одного из матчей я взял рельсу и решил еще раз сплавать туда же за патронами. И уже когда я подбегал к этой луже, я заметил, что на столбе, который стоит рядом, на самой верхушке сидит какой-то чувак. Я ныряю. В этот момент в меня уже летит его ракета, а я, ничтоже сумняшеся, не видя его из под воды, и ракеты тоже не видя, навожу рельсу по памяти и сажу по его позиции болванку. И что бы вы думали? Оба попали.

[@TheFoxEssence]

They did a phenomenal job with the Quake II remaster. If the multiplayer had leaderboards, Id hit it!

[@fr0by]

Yea, hopefully they continue to update the game. Personally I think dedicated servers should be a top priority.

[@TheFoxEssence]

@@fr0by 1000%

[@Kobalt_Rax_the_one]

@@fr0by Yea hopefully they allow mod support in some way . But maybe people will find ways , what about the Q1 Remastered , dose mods exist now ?

[@v8matey]

I remember quake 2 and jedi knight 2 being the fastest online games on dial up. All others lagged or randomly disconnected. But the two mentioned always worked correctly.

[@christopherobrien1463]

Lets get quake 3 !

[@fr0by]

That would be awesome. They could add single player content as well.

[@SleeperJohns]

I don't think you have to lead at all in the Quake II Remaster, you just gotta trust the shot the crosshair and compensate for any delay is all since the visual hit registration can be like 10 miles away from an enemy player. In some ways it is like Quake 3 Arena from experience as well, but how to aim is just trusting the crosshair and compensate for delays. I'm still the number one railer in instagib every time even at my max ping of 130 - 180 I set for myself. I prefer not to suffer any worse than that.

[@LKristofer]

When I grow up I want to be like you.

[@leonardogomez5781]

Fr0by is OP, Fr0by is life

[@level11gaming17]

I wouldn't have guessed that you were playing with 183 ping, that's crazy!!

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

I’m so glad Quake 2 is picking up popularity again. It was an amazing game at the time and still holds up. Plus it convinced me to buy a Voodoo card back when they were the best on the market.

[@psycho7045]

Quake Arena Arcade works on Xbox Can we get it populated again

[@fr0by]

I've actually logged in randomly before and found some games! Worth checking out for fun

[@V0lk]

The multiplayer is a blast! I loved it back in the day and this might be even better. I played back in the day of 56k dialup.

[@rr_rndr]

well said, great video

[@TerryWilliams_]

Quake 2. This game was the highlight of my child-hood. Great video, thanks for sharing!

[@karlaandrea2402]

Great video, super informative!

[@fbenniks]

Quake2 was the first real multiplayer game for me, i never cared for the SP. Q2CTF was and now in the remaster still is epic. It holds it own 25 years later. The re-master brings people back to Quake2, i encountered numerous player i remember from the clanbase years. Its a shame it is released without dedicated servers, i hope it will be added asap!

[@Deeveeaar]

Someone already even made the Lithium mod for the remaster! I am having so much fun online!!

[@Kobalt_Rax_the_one]

I play the quad damage edition of Q2 from GOG ,but the remastered looks so much better and a new awesome expansion . On the GOG one the multiplayer seems dead , like nobody is there , i am alone and no bot option ? . The Remastered MP look superior easily . I might really get the remaster when i can play it .

[@valcaron]

You know what never happens? Getting sniped by a railgun after you already took cover behind a wall. Take notes, Valve!

[@LoCoSHINOBI]

Thanks for the video, I wanted to mention that I think I've seen you onlne in Quake 2 Remastered

[@LilMisssmartypants.922]

i want a Quake Tournament remake

[@samb6132]

lets make quake great again :)

[@lethalbroccoli01]

Do you mean quake 3? Or quake live?

[@LilMisssmartypants.922]

@@lethalbroccoli01 quake 3

[@user-ev8eh4ht5r]

I wish they would have remastered Quake 3. Love that game.

[@AtunDesenfrenado]

I didn't try the remaster much. Since I've been using awesome ports since almost 2 decades I didn't saw a reason to switch to the remaster. But then I saw this video... Being in Argentina prevents me of playing on most servers because of the high ping. But when I tried the multiplayer after watching this video I was shocked. In fact using the railgun I sucked for a few days until I got used to shooting at the crosshair. It was so good that I started to dominate servers. I wish we had this back in the day. I'm very happy with the remaster and I thank you for making this video that made me go back to playing my favorite game of all times.

[@jalefar8247]

q2dm1 is so fun to play

[@oiedave]

Its interesting I found funnier q2 than even quake champions or new gen games.. for some reason, it's just fast and a lot of action.. just my opinion.. on the other side in regards of lag I have much less lag in overwatch..it's better and not bad but I ld love to play q2 just as perfect as other top games

[@muteloch2798]

Dude thanks for the rocket back to the past, almost forgot how bad the netcode was even on LAN. 10hz! Imagine Apex Legends thinks 20hz server tick is okay. lol

[@fr0by]

Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for your support! :)

[@vonslakken6518]

Great vid. Do you think id will actually take on the task of fluffing up Q3A? That would be amaaaaaaaaaazing

[@fr0by]

Thank you! I really hope so. That would be awesome if they remaster all of them! IMO it would be awesome if they took it even further and gave Quake the "Halo MCC Treatment"

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Id kinda already remastered Q3A twice. People are still playing both Quake Live and Quake Champions today - as well as Q3 itself!

[@TheSoccerExcellenceMentor]

Hey, man, thank you for this video. Originally a Q3 player, I also noticed the difference in the net code and appreciated it... expected the Rocket Launcher to work the same way but I understand it would need to change more of the game to make it happen. I was also one of those players who got used to leading shots back in Q3, and my ping was 250ms! But I definitely prefer the modern version of course. Quick question... As a defrag Q3 player I'm familiar with some of the more complicated mechanics but I can't seem to get that jump on the 2 boxes in The Edge right. You did it at 3:34. Any tips you can give me?

[@joel6376]

Original quakeworld (with its modern updates) has the best netcode, including crazy things like built in proxy support, ability to add latency to make games fairer and so on. Reflex is also amazing. Upping tick in the q2 rerelease probably makes it feel better than q2 but there is no way this makes it the best multiplayer netcode ever, particularly since you do not mention roll back and with almost instant shooting players can be behind walls on their screen (on 180ms) when you shoot them, resulting in them dying in cover.

[@SSGLGamesVlogs]

I'm thinking of getting this, so we can try the Local Split Screen MP. But the characters move too fast in comparison to the other shooters we play. Is there an opinion in the Custom Menus to slow things down? Even if I adjust to this breakneck speed, my opponents here surely won't. And most likely will end up smashing their controllers to the ground after I get to zip around them while firing Rockets. Not that I would blame them.

[@fr0by]

If you are playing locally, I wouldn't worry too much about the speed. Just take it little by little and have fun. From what I can tell, the Quake 64 levels have a cap on the jumping so the strafe jumpers from PC cannot go as fast. So if you want to create online lobbies but want it to be slightly slower it may help to select Quake 2 64 levels.

[@SSGLGamesVlogs]

@@fr0by OK... I just got the game. But I knew something was off. According to the official website, there's this setting under the Gameplay Options, between the "Auto Power Shield" and "View Bob" options": *"Always Run - Enable or disable running by default when moving."* That setting is missing here. Do you happen to know, is it because such is only available to PC users? Or, is it a mistake/bug? We just tried the Local Split Screen MP with 2 bots added, and I just couldn't help but to laugh while we were moving about at Sonic the Hedgehog speeds, blowing and getting blown everywhere. You see, with said setting disabled is how I played the game (Campaign) when it first came out. Never played the MP back then. Thanks for the reply, by the way.

[@unfa00]

Hey, I think you forgot to add the link to that talk about the networking overhaul. I really wanted to check that out (being an indie multiplayer FPS developer).

[@fr0by]

Hey, its not too in depth just an overview of them going from 10hz to 40hz. The links are in the description. Here is the one from Twitch: clips.twitch.tv/IronicDignifiedMuleUncleNox-z9AQDkvv4BBcuPPC and here you can read the source material: github.com/id-Software/quake2-rerelease-dll Hope that helps :)

[@PeaceDub]

More people need to play the amazing Quake II Remaster! It rocks!

[@syrefaen]

The multiplayer is comparable, or as an old fan, better then quake champions. Had a few rail-gun-only-gamemode, 'hey stian let us others have a chance too' lol. Made me smile. And mele-granedes are so nice when they hit. The weaponry is my main reason for liking the MP. Even tho many are ineffective compared to quake 3.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Quake Champions is in another league altogether, it's important to note that most of the well loved modes here (Instagram, ctf, grappling) weren't in the original quake 2, but were added with mods.

[@JXGS101]

My only problem is that the weapons have a delay when you fire based on your ping, they could have made a "fake fire animation" like modern fps. But at least there's lag compensation for hitscan weapons (Unlike Quake 1 Remastered).

[@bigfella6629]

Just bought it, really do need the dedicated server files. Myself and mates used to play this all the time back in the day.

[@notturok7841]

Never stopped playing any of the quakes online. Still play quake 4 online. It’s great

[@Lenias7]

When I play with my friends in america (I'm located in europe) I have a input lag when shooting of a out one full second! It's so unplayable. Ping was about 200

[@fr0by]

Maybe around 200 it breaks, of course the lower the ping the better - always. It was just interesting that to me 180 ping was still playable, not favorable but definitely doable :)

[@gianniskamakas3578]

This remaster is the best remaster i have seen in my life. Everything in one release, ps1 missing though however i believe that it's a "collectors" Edition no matter what. They did everything correctly

[@1thevm1]

People miss having to lead railgun shots? Ha! Just go play Q3 with its original netcode, you have to lead even hitscan weapons there! Nice box climb tech btw. Also your MP footage had a delay that was somewhat noticeable, but still it's nice that you can get it to run so smoothly even at 100+ ping.

[@alexrogers9702]

I feel like they are going to re-master q3

[@tabsntoot]

A 1997 masterpiece

[@riftshredder5438]

I wanted to enjoy Quakecon but they wouldn't let me in

[@HircineDaWolf]

people even still play the original mp, so i bet people will continue playing this. I always enjoyed q2 mp

[@tonaltti]

Remaster's multiplayer has some serious issues. Players gets disconnected all the time, devs blames playfab. Pauses when players joins. Q2pro multiplayer feels much smoother. Also no dedicated server support.

[@doctorstainy]

I loved quake2, but one thing i dislike is a railgun can oneshot you with 100 hp. They fixed that in q3 with it only doing 80 dmg and you start with 130 hp instead of 100/100. Sure the q2 rail was harder to land shots with, but the starting weapon blaster was also much worse than machinegun from q3, plus you q2 didnt have gauntlet, witch made spawning even worse.

[@ifkiron]

Good news

[@weho_brian]

they should also reduce the hitscan/damage from chaingun, the weapon is too OP. Also people should spawn with 110 health instead of 100 for obvious reasons. Surprised those two things have never been patched. Otherwise the movement/physics in Q2 is unmatch. I even enjoy the glitchyness of the rail lag so kind of disappointing that its more similar to Q3 now apparently

[@FreeAimDog]

its too bad nate gibson only plays cod, i could not imagine how much of a monster he would be if he played this game, he would most likely be the winner with how he flicks and never misses.

[@YOBAMUSTDIE]

Not the best - they forgot to add download/upload of automatic custom models, textures, sounds and maps between clients and server that was present in original quake 2 😢😢😢😢 also this thing missing in quake 1 remaster. Also both quake 1 and 2 remasters has bug where models slide and don't move legs when shoot animation played, and there's often desync of moving objects happens between clients. Please demand nighdive to fix and restore these features in quake 1 and 2 on all platforms!!! Also where is mod loading and downloading menu in Quake 2 remastered???

[@superstarro]

в целом меня умеляет каждый раз когда что-то говорят о "нэткод" особенно когда путают с нэтворком, смотришь ютуб каждый программист. а на деле рынок без спецов😂 Хехе правда жизни она такая)

[@a30dayfreetrial]

183 ping?!!?! There were several points during this video where you would have been invisible to your opponent when their client registered your shot hitting (ie around a corner, behind a box, in the water, etc). While it may have been a good experience for you, it was very likely a *terrible* experience for others, especially given your 180+ ping. This is the same problem that plagues these "unlagged" netcode models to this day, QC being a good example. I wish that there was no lag compensation whatsoever, and all hit registration was done server-side. Obviously this would mean the higher your ping, the more you had to lead your shots--but at least it would also mean when you got hit, you got hit when and where you actually got hit--and you weren't safely around a corner on your client, but you got hit anyway because the server rolled you back in time because some high-ping guy hit you on his client 200-300ms ago. While there are certainly "unlagged" mods for Q3, vQ3 and QL still had the same type of server-side hit detection netcode as OG Q2, so you had to lead your shots more and more at higher pings. It seems like this time of completely server-side hit detection is dead, though, and I should just get used to it :D

[@fr0by]

I definitely see what you are talking about but for the most part its better for getting smaller player bases playing together. Same with Quake Champions, we all wish it had 200,000 players all the time but its just not the case. Having the netcode work this way helps people with 120 ping play comfortably. Of course its not favorable, lower ping is always best!

[@BIGSTANK1983]

Why does it sound like they say "subscribe" when you play single player and walk up on an enemy?

[@remmad1666]

Who played this on Microsoft Zone on dial up?

[@1oneguythat]

the shadows look utterly BROKE

[@eclipsegst9419]

old Quake games have better netcode than most new titles. Modern titles all use stupid client side hitreg, so some 200 ping asshole can shoot you on their screen and you die, even tho you already rounded a corner on yours. With server side, high ping bastards get to rubber band around until they get tired of not hitting shit, and go find some other server closer to home.

[@cipka666]

Compare to old q2 multi the new one is much easier, maybe its good cause when new player want to play in q2 multi they can even get a frag when playing with old q2 players who play the Game for 23 yrs😂😂😂

[@dariusus9870]

There will be a new quake. Q3/live will probably be renastered in 24 and in 25 will be a new quake. Just a guess but I'm willing to bet on it though Bethesda and id seem to do everything in their power to ruin quake champions

[@doltBmB]

zoomers being surprised that online games weren't always shit

[@Zorlag]

If you don't have to lead shots at 183 ping, it means the server doesn't validate what client sends, and this game will be completely ruined by hackers within a week.

[@1oneguythat]

dude why are you doing this to yourself just play warfork

[@dogelicks]

ITS SO AWESOME THAT NO ONE IS PLAYING IT. IT'S LITERALLY DEAD. THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE PLAYING ORINGAL QUAKE 2 ON A DAILY BASIS THEN TOTAL PEOPLE THAT PLAYED THE "REMASTER"

[@1nZaneR]

sry to say that but this really looks laggy/sluggish to me, I would have guessed 150ms instead of the ~100 you say. Especially the slower projectiles look like they come from behind or the side (Hyperblaster scenes). Also my sense for hits with the rail gun is pretty off when I watch the video. It often looks to me like you didn't hit when you hit. I dunno how bad this was with the old netcode - I only played games in LAN at this time. But I've played some Quake Live recently and that one seems to handle 100ms pings better than this - although I admit this is very subjective. I tried crossplay of the new Quake 2 with PS5/Switch and PC and could not get to work this in LAN mode. Only the "ONLINE" mode worked for me between PS5 and PC because apparently it needs a paid subscription which I didn't have for the Switch (nintendo subscription in order to access the online feature). But although PS5 and PC were in the same LAN it was VERY skippy and almost not playable from over here (Germany, 500/100mbit fibre connection). They really need to work on those Online services or allow peer-to-peer play via IP between devices and dedicated servers with crossplay support and non-subscription model to make me happy and fullfill a modern standard. I wonder why this is not discussed more through the media which is pure hype atm.

[@HugeInsect]

Well, it was 183 ping, and you guessed 150.

[@javali1678]

game was crap then, and its crap now, that game belongs in the past, all that crap talk about "leading", game was crap period. let it die

[@Wobbothe3rd]

It was a smash hit in its time and pioneered so much that we take for granted in gaming today.

[@va1iduser682]

SHOCK FACE WOW BEST THIS AND THAT WOOO CLICKBAIT TIME BABYYYYYYY!!! - respect mate... just because other scummy pieces of trash abuse people attention with clickbait doesn't mean you have to stoop to that level...