QUAKE LIVE: The New Online Era of Id Software

[@VALIS538]

Quake live is very much populated every night and is still a joy to play

[@shamanschlong]

Where do you live? I'm in Central US and I can only find 2 consistent servers that are locked by elo, so if you're a new player you aren't able to play

[@VALIS538]

@@shamanschlong ah yes for that I’d look into joining a discord and asking someone, the server I play is elo dependant but the guvnor is quite lenient

[@LiSLagInShow]

Here in Chile you can only find 1clan arena server every night.

[@combinemetro]

@@shamanschlong Yes you can. Theres always some clan wars / ffa servers and if you sit in a duel server for 20 minutes you can USUALLY get somebody. Hit me up if you want to play some casual duels I am not a good player.

[@brimphemus]

1:58 "I completely forgot about Rage, and there's no excuse for that." I mean... I kinda get it

[@theinjected]

Unfortunately it is one of the most forgettable games

[@CarloAnardu]

Quake champions aka "how much we can force people in a menu screen before they quit the game"

[@chaTzon]

Champions is a first person moba shooter. With more magic than harry potter

[@Bombay.Badboy]

"being a twat born in 2000" i felt that, was born on 1999 and quake 2 was one of my favourite games growing up

[@LaRavachole]

'99 kid here and yup, also grew up on older games such as DOOM and CS 1.6, the type of classics I still enjoy today. Just wish I was around when they were new and just as popular.

[@Quusikko]

@@LaRavachole I'm '85 myself, but couldn't get Quake before '00 or '01 when we combined our money with my brother and got a computer with Riva TNT 2. And even then it wasn't a retail copy of the game but on some cd-r with some interesting way to pack it. First you had like a zip file with 16 parts which had the game paked in ARJ. You'd unzip the files and then you'd need to go command prompt and use command-line ARJ to unpack the game. :D If there was something to do after that, I can't remember. And my version didn't have the soundtrack so I've never experienced it fully as it should've been experienced. Instead I blasted my brother's Nine lives by Aerosmith while playing. I also found Gooseman's Navy Seals mod for it (along with some others) and played the shit out of it. The version I initially had had even a hilarious bug where the reload animation of the pistol was super slow motion. :D I initially thought there was something wrong with my game / hardware. After watching this review series I'm so tempted to get Quake for reals this time and finally experience it as it was intended. And after that get the Navy Seals mod and relive the past. :)

[@beanwithbacon]

Quake 2 ruined Quake forever...

[@Bombay.Badboy]

@@beanwithbacon allow me to introduce you to quake champions

[@Bombay.Badboy]

@@LaRavachole me too my university has teams for every game besides quake and it makes me sad that no one plays quake haha!

[@krisx2S]

I used to play QL just to remind myself how fast and snappy FPS games were back then. I get joy just from running around, strafe jumping, rocket jumping (which ended up a seperate mode in quake).

[@murkfv]

ultrakill gives me that same feeling, its so fast paced, its mechanics are nuts, it makes you feel like a total badass, and its basically doom eternal but faster in everyway

[@xjt5998]

There is nothing more satisfying then learning to roller skate with Slash in Quake Champions. The mechanics are the best in the game, the satisfaction is enormous when you can learn such a thing and it is quite the opposite for a newb that never ever played a fps like UT, DOOM ,QUAKE, ^(series) HALF LIFE, so on..... not kid friendly that runs around rampaging thinking they are a god in game. And i feel its for the best. The people who can't take it to die over and over have other baby games to go to.

[@Wylie288]

Nah. Mastering CPM physics is a lot more fun. But Champions gimps that kind of physics by only including air control instead of the entire suite of physics changes.

[@xjt5998]

@@Wylie288 did u ever skated with slash? i think not so maybe is more fun for you CPM but that's just you're opinion

[@Wylie288]

@@xjt5998 Yes.

[@cd-rommasterclass19]

Quake 3 was so cool, I played it on PC and Dreamcast and man, the community was real nice, so friendly; still remember some people helping me out early on, with bunny hopping, rocket jumping, sensitivity and performance... Damn I miss these days.

[@impl0d]

I was a dreamcast Quake player as well... stumbled across it by mistake, spent a hell of alot of money to play online. UK it was charged per min on the phoneline. Then naturally moved onto pc. Played Q4 - okish, helped with the Quake "zero" Live beta and browser game, took like 11 years off and returned a few months ago! its like i never left - still awesome

[@chrisnewbury3793]

My first Quake was Q3 on a Dreamcast too. That was truly the most amazing online gaming community I've ever been a part of. We had an active community and an active 1v1 tournament ladder that we organized on Gamefaqs. Rud3Boy was king of the ladder.

[@arcuscerebellumus8797]

QC isn't popular because the AFPS genre isn't popular - not because it itself is bad. Changes to the original Quake formula that were made in it were just an attempt to spring some life into the aging AFPS scene. And by my estimation, they weren't even close to being horrible. The problem was that they alienated some of the retrogrades that were playing since QW, Q2, and Q3A who due to age-related lack of neuroplasticity adopted a mantra: "new=bad". The rhetoric they pushed on forums infected some of the newcomers and created a toxic atmosphere around the community, which (bugs and performance issues aside) wasn't entirely fair in my opinion. And on top of that, another problem was that most of the old-timers were still playing it, while simultaneously smearing it with shit, and having 20+ years of edge on any neophyte just pushed what chance for success QC had even further away by way of merciless slaughter. Now that the dust has settled, 3 years in - I'm still considering it one of the most complex and engaging AFPS's out there. Most bugs are fixed and the balance is settled, the player base is slowly creeping up (at least in CIS and EU). Nowadays I rarely have to wait more than 30 seconds for a duel. And QPL streams are one of the best cybersport events, period... If you never played it before and like AFPS genre and Quake in general - give it a try, if you did around 1,5 - 2 years ago and were disappointed - I would consider giving it another shot. Past that, it's just a matter of taste - not some objective defect of the game itself.

[@AussieZeKieL]

It's much simpler than that. The Team modes suck. They are stuck in the 90s team game modes and people just don't play those modes anymore.

[@arcuscerebellumus8797]

@@AussieZeKieL ok. I disagree, but what would ba a "good" team mode to you?

[@pexunfuni]

i wish it had a more advanced ranking system so that new players wouldn't get completely destroyed

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@arcuscerebellumus8797 Hey, just don't get too technical about it, ok? : D

[@OmniStef94]

I'm curious. It's been a couple of years since I played QC, but it was mainly because the performance issues and bugs have kinda put me off after putting up with them for 50+ hours, rather than the game's mechanics and themes. How's the state of the game right now on that aspect?

[@SleepyAdam]

Oh nooooo I don't think anyone in the Q3 community was really mad at your video. We'll just take any opportunity we can to say "NOOOO THE GAME ISN'T DEAD. WE STILL PLAY IT. COME PLAAAYYYY." lol. Great video my dude, Quake Live is one of my favorite games ever made. It was actually one of the first multiplayer shooters I ever played when I was around 12 and it was still a f2p browser game. I've been playing on and off for around 7 years now and I'd say I learned how to at least hold my own and the basic game feel around half a year in, and from there it became a bit of an addiction. So it just goes to show it's not an impenetrable game for those who aren't veterans of the series. I still like Quake Champions a lot and I even like the hero shooter mechanics because they allow for so many different playstyles from fans across many of the different games, but Quake Live is just so easy to pick up and play that it's kept me coming back for years. Fun Fact : Quake Live actually uses Quake 3 as a base and it's essentially a repackage of Quake 3, but it obviously modernizes a lot of the UI and tech to work on modern systems, balances the weaponry out, and adds a ton of new content from original maps and modes by id Software, to popular Quake 3 mods and community made maps, to it, so you could make the argument that Quake Live is essentially the best way to play Quake 3 nowadays.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

Also fixes buggy VQ3 stair physics, no more horizontal or vertical overbounce (fuck...), adds important CVARs (like cl_mouseAccelOffset) while removing some (damn, dem nomip plasma and rocket/grenade explosions) and movement mechanics aren't tied to frame rate so closely anymore (you should never play the game below stable 125/250 fps though).

[@camsmasher1999]

quake live is amazing, im very glad this video exists this poor game needs more players and the arena shooter genre in general needs more attention

[@cenorexia]

As others have mentioned before, there's still one Quake Game left, "Quake Wars: Enemy Territory", which serves as both, a spiritual successor to "Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory" as well as a prequel to the Strogg storyline from Quake 2/4.

[@neilbedwell7763]

It's got 'quake' in the name but it's only representative of the lore and aesthetic of the quake universe, and not representative of the genre / formula of quake gameplay

[@cenorexia]

@@neilbedwell7763 Sure, the gameplay is different and more teamplay oriented but it's still part of the series, whether people like it or not. It's like saying Doom 3 isn't part of the series because its pace and gameplay loop is different from the games before and after and focuses more on horror and jumpscares instead of over the top action and hordes of enemies. An outlier, sure but at the end of the day it's still part of the Doom series like Quake Wars is still part of the Quake series.

[@neilbedwell7763]

@@cenorexia I wasn't discounting ET as a valid game 😓 just focusing on the difference between a brand and a genre. The doom3 comparison is totally valid, it was a complete move away from the genre.

[@azul091s7]

imho, quake needs a doom treatment, reboot and focus on the single player and have multiplayer as another game mode.

[@morky3673]

I disagree. Very few people care for a quake story today.

[@interestingcuber8591]

@@morky3673 the multiplayer of quake is just too fun to keep out imo

[@morky3673]

@@interestingcuber8591 100%. Quake 1 and 2 were big and people liked the si gle player. But even then, before Q3 everybody knew Quake for its multiplayer. Its lack of players is simply because average fps gamers want to feel good at shooters. Not get mopped by someone with a 0.5KD in duel.

[@interestingcuber8591]

@@morky3673 I honestly wish I was there during the good old days. I am actually only 17 lol. Me and my friend discovered arena shooters and have been addicted since. I play other games like CSGO, but Quake is so fun and fast paced. Everyone in my school makes fun of me for playing these games, but I don't care I'm having WAY to much fun. Their loss anyways. Ya my generation has that everyone gets a trophy mentality, but learning Quake is one of the best experiences I have had other than learning how to build robots. I wish this genre can come back, but as long as I can find games I'll still play. Just to have fun, improve, and learn.

[@m4a1snerfed]

this. as long as they keep giving adam pyle (syncerror) the quake brand, he's just going to keep making trashy multiplayer only titles that no one wants to play. whereas a sp title can cash in on the nostalgia of old fans and attract new ones, provided they do it in house with id tech 7 and put hugo martin and marty stratton as main directors. adam pyle is clueless.

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

I remember when Quake Live was a browser game. Had so much fun playing it. Now I can't find anyone playing it

[@laananfisher2042]

It depends on the game mode. CA is usually always busy.

[@conzmoleman]

try using OpenArena instead. same engine. same physics. same weapons. same powerups. same levels. and i mean /exact/ same.

[@patrikpass2962]

Just Google servers you will find alot more.

[@Junya01]

@@conzmoleman is it free?

[@PETERRORR]

Discord channel -> house of quake

[@quicogil4565]

Quake Champions is actually great and deserves its own review going more in depth mechanically

[@khalilpontikes7293]

Yeah I love Quake Champions

[@lucidafflictions1706]

Ironically I play quake champions cause it's the only quake game I can get a match in

[@jonathandavid3393]

Quake champs is awesome if only it was better optimised and blossomed into it's full potential

[@patrikpass2962]

@@lucidafflictions1706 its rly easy to find servers in quake live. But you have to google them. I play champions casual with friends but i prefer quake live, its faster gameplay and more classic feel.

[@hunterxg]

Quake Champions killed QL and it's awful. Wish it never was developed

[@ResidentAlien1]

Nice! Good Info! I just live streamed Quake 3 Arena SIngle Player - Going to do a little series on the TIERS

[@mrtimharrington]

Quake Champions is far more active than Quake Live at the moment and it is not really that close - you can see it on Steam Charts. I mean technically it is close in that there are 'only 200' more Quake Champions players at any one time than Quake Live, but still the general point is QC is more popular and those figures do not include Bethesda Launcher players. That said, neither game is particularly popular and tends to cater to those of us who played AFPS growing up and have not really found anything else that grabs our attention in quite the same way.

[@MarkDucasble]

Quake Champions is awesome! Its base grow every day. QC is a lot of fun, bringing all Quakes weapons and moves to the game. Try it now, it TOTALLY WORTH IT.

[@neilbedwell7763]

I miss quake live a lot. It was repeatedly mishandled a few years ago when it was on it's way to steam and once it was there. Imo they ruined FFA with giving players weapons at spawn. QL is one of the rare games that even has the chance to give players the feeling of transcendence once they grok it. Long live arena arcade

[@Hungyball_]

DUDE, I JUST FOUND OUT ARENA ARCADE IS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ON XBOX! 🧟‍♂️👽🔫🗿🍺

[@Frobbl]

I tried to check out some quake 3 servers the other day and the scariest part was that now they seem to have some scripts going that make bots appear have random ping numbers instead of just showing up as 0 ping. Their names are also written in a way to make them look like real players. However when you look at their gameplay in spectator mode you quickly realize it is bots and not humans. Extremely sad. Literally should rather just leave the servers empty than doing this bot thing and even worse this covered-up bot thing. That being said the mods CPMA and OSP still has some servers with real players on them but I'm talking about like 5-10 players in a bunch of 1v1 servers in CPMA here. Quake Live still has like 500 players online every evening. You will always find populataed servers of pretty much all gamemodes. It's great.

[@magosd0minus]

You're on a roll with these videos man

[@rekware9320]

You didnt exist when quake III was new technology, it was a different time. The curved geometry in the Quake III engine was very advanced. I was 15 and it was a good time. I miss the 90s!!

[@metalphobos3632]

Same here. It's different when you grow up at that age with it.

[@rekware9320]

@@metalphobos3632 Very true! Im amazed this young lad likes all the old games! But a credit to him!

[@swaggerbauer]

i remember when the q3 test came out and we had a look at the moving curved fleshy pieaces in the levels.. that was a weekend of freaking out. well.. it turned out to be years of freaking out :)

[@Hunt4Yoshi]

Have you thought about reviewing the hd remaster of quake 3 on the xbox 360?

[@slimebuck]

you quake video missed QUAKE WARS

[@andzzcage4253]

Important tip. Always filter the servers to "players" so all the servers that have players to be visible to you.

[@lydiasteinebendiksen4269]

This was incredably helpful. I recently got on the quake ride and landed on champions, but something was off and the people who swore by the game weren't exactly welcoming. I then tried 3 and lived it but couldn't find players, and now I have the context for everything. Thanks, downloading Quake live right now.

[@ghopp12]

Is quake live still populated?

[@HollowRick]

I was 7 when I played Q3A in 1999 I had no idea what I was doing but it was fun as hell... wish I would have been a little older to actually learn the game I've just got into quake live and I'm having so much fun

[@Meower917]

Nothing quite like strafe jumping around classic maps hitting the perfect rail shot.

[@anonymousanonymous3707]

It's gaming Nirvana when ya just dialled in causing havoc and not missing a beat haha

[@CatfishBradley]

I'm hoping we get a new quake game that's basically doom eternal reskinned with a brand new story line and different atmosphere. No retro fps/(modern) doom clone has the intensity/fun/gunplay of doom eternal, assuming TAG: part 2 concludes the story of Hayden/doom guy/demonic doomguy, I think rebooting quake would be the best project to follow up Doom eternal. I dont care if it isn't as good as Doom eternal, if it comes remotely close at all, it'll be a must-play for me. I NEED MORE FUNZONE

[@Wylie288]

No. Doom Eternal exists. Make a new game. Quake has very different movement. Quake is not quake without strafe jumping.

[@khalilpontikes7293]

@@Wylie288 and rocket jumps

[@Wylie288]

@@khalilpontikes7293 And rocket jumps yes

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@Wylie288 Complex movement physics in general. Yeah.

[@mitchdroese84]

Omg I played the glory days of Quake 3 and Quake online. Pro pickup and tournaments. It was absolutley the best. I miss it so much.

[@PETERRORR]

Discord channel -> House of Quake

[@phunkym8]

last time i played this it was playable in the browser. is it now a stand alone game?

[@colkacola5493]

10 dollars on steam :)

[@Seekay37]

It's been standalone for like a decade, lul. And a few years ago it was released on Steam

[@schniemand]

3:24 Except that Quake Champions is free, so money isn't a factor. (Does require 30 GB SSD space though. It is horrible on HDDs.)

[@brpadington]

Quake Champions could have been better. I personally find it fun but I see how the new players don't like the arena mechanics and the old veterans dont like the hero shooter mechanics.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

It is horrible anyhow. : D It's embarrassing calling it the part of the franchise.

[@brpadington]

@@zatozatoichi7920 It's gotten better but I play Quake 3 more often. Quake champions was cheaply thrown together. It should have been given the same care as Doom.

[@khalilpontikes7293]

@@brpadington its funny bc I dont mind the hero mechanics and im not even a Quake veteran but I also like the arena shooter mechanics.

[@brpadington]

@@khalilpontikes7293 I don't mind it since they nerfed the hero abilities. It used to be that you had to have certain characters to even have a chance at a fair match. That isn't the case anymore.

[@damicore]

But quake champions has a lot more players than quake live, and the duel scene in quake live is completely dead. May be try not making videos about games you don't understand?

[@juzgador]

Yo, I miss playing this game. I first played QL back in '08 with my iMac when all you needed was a browser plugin.

[@vojtizslav]

Bruh imagine. Apple support for QL. Mindblowing... -.- i miss the browser days as well.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

I first played Quake3 on a Sega Dreamcast, which was by-far the best PC to console port ever. Even though we started out on 56k with controllers, you could eventually play with mouse/kb and on broadband. We had full access to the console with binds, macros, and everything. And we got to play against PC users with 120fps. It was amazing...and made me build my first PC so I could play the proper way.

[@taberman]

Yeah i dont agree with your summation of QC. Lots of long time pros like Rapha have expressed how much they enjoy the state of Quake Champions duel right now and like the champion system, and there a lot more people playing Casual TDM/DM/CA matchmaking in QC vs active players in servers in QL. Also for someone like yourself who is newer but interested in AFPS/Quake, i find that the player skill level is a little less daunting in QC, as the regulars in QL seem to have a lot more seniority/experience and leaves a huge skill gap for new Quakers (QC still has a big skill gap to conquer for new Quakers as well). You should tune in on Sundays to check out Quake Pro League and take a look at the state of pro level Quake Champions at a pro level on the quake twitch/KZbin.

[@ChristianIce]

Lots of pros are also sponsoring for the game. Don't take their word too seriously. To me QC is a graphical mess. Too many colors, too many poligons, soulless suonds, too many shit written on the screen, not to talk about the "special abilities" which are blasphemy for old time gamers. Death Match is supposed to be equal for all, easy to watch and to hear. Simplicity is what makes it working.

[@riba2233]

QC is great and has a lot of players. I see that you are from AUS, but in EU and NA you can easily find a match and game is very active and alive. QL is awesome, I like playing it a lot, but is much more niche with extreme skill ceiling and a lot less players.

[@calebwoods9029]

I love QC, but the game only averages about 500 to 1000 players, most of the time even less. That's not good at all, just look it up on Steam Charts, it'll tell you how many players are playing.

[@riba2233]

@@calebwoods9029 No offense, but that is not a good argument. In EU and US you get games instantly, in EU I can even find games on mornings no problem, and am in a group with 30 buddies (and we are from two small countries) and we play regularly, and also they are many players who use bethesda launcher, not steam

[@Frobbl]

Quake champions probably is more inviting for more casual and more new Quake players. However it is very different gameplay and the microtransactions stuff really is a no-no for me. Quake 3 / Quake live has the most pure and clean feeling I have ever experienced in any multiplayer FPS.

[@null_ptr666]

For me is the other way around, i can't find matches un QL but i have no problem in QC

[@toodiesel]

Quake Champions is great

[@DrCrowie]

agreed and I think he understates the impact of the game I mean there's the QPL in its 3rd season now, theres still room for improvement but its a great evolution of quake multiplayer. Quake Live is still played yea sure but its had its day, just like Q3 has had its day. A lot of QL players have moved to Diabotical now, but I've found that QC players haven't really taken to DBT like QL die hards.

[@dillyooo]

Year 2000 until about 2004/5 I played quake 3 religiously. Rocket arena 3 matches and top tier duellers were like poetry. The community was large and sometimes it was difficult to get on your favourite late night server. In your down time you would study matches, duels and trick demos that you had to watch inside the game itself, practicing fluid movement on your own in lan servers. Being good at quake didn't lend itself to playing other games. You either played quake or you died a lot (usually in the first few kills of every match). That unfortunately built quite an elitist bunch. As well as being the game that changed/started arena shooters, it also started the salty chat and looking down on anybody who couldn't keep up. Skip ahead 15 years and I still jump in to a quake live server every so often. To this day, people just talk bullshit and look down on anybody who isn't driving a match towards a win. It's a shame but quake will never ever reignite like it did. Times change. Noobs aren't welcomed.

[@rancid7182]

Dark fiber ffa is super chill, beginner's are common

[@slowpaceplop6375]

I just cant get QC to work on my pc.. all i get is a blank screen??

[@dodobrain1506]

Active QL player here, glad you had a blast playing it and I hope to see you in the arena! If you want a fun spin on TDM, come play Freeze Tag! Squawk!

[@mrkeefor]

Freeze tag is superb fun

[@jackedup447]

Eyy another freeze tag person.

[@PETERRORR]

Come.to.play TDM discord -> House of Quake

[@PoulWrist]

Q3 servers ages ago also didn't have servers listed in the server browser. The games were all done through say IRC and forums and private servers, as well as using various mods like OSP tournaments and Rocket Arena. Or combos. It was also quite the nightmare to play online at the time, because as a new player you would be completely annihilated by people who played all the time. There was very little room for casual players, you had to be either all in or not in at all.

[@TheRealFaceyNeck]

TL;DR - GZDoom has swallowed up every other game in its conquest of the Universe. If you stopped playing every other game but DOOM I and II along with its mods, you won't be able to play it all before you die. I think this has been an extensive and accurate evaluation of the Quake games. I wish I could remember why I started playing Quake in the first place. I think it was to "git gud" at FPS games in general. I've been reassured by many people on Quake Live that it's going to be around forever. People still play DOOM multiplayer... the original DOOM multiplayer. You can play Quake Champions, multiplayer, AS A DOOM mod!

[@cmckittrick91]

I didn't see you Q3 video but honestly as far as gameplay goes (even vs bots) for me it's Q3>QC>QL.

[@ashscott6068]

I really miss the big 32 player CTF they had every Christmas on Silent Scream. And the freeze tag, too.

[@eclipsegst9419]

With QC still technically an Early Access game what i think they ought to do is port all of its maps to idTech 6, add a full campaign, add proper servers, go full release. Also have an optional skill cap of some sort avaliable for servers so new players don't get scared away. Mapping tools like QL has would also be a big plus. And option to turn off active, passive, or all abilities for servers too. This would make about everyone happy, but idk if Bethesda would give it the OK. The Single Player campaign would need to be DOOM 2016 tier amazing to bring in new players to give the MP a try.

[@gubbykillbind]

Idk about 5 months ago, but as of now i really enjoy Quake Champion. I remember playing it in 2019 and hating it but now i have a genuine blast playing it, especially with my pals too.

[@shadowknight5964]

Quake 3 was awesome at it's peak. There was a very popular mod called "excessive quake". Buffed all the weapons and made the game even better.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

Lol, that's just a random casual mod, bro. But cheers for liking the game in any form.

[@shadowknight5964]

@@zatozatoichi7920 I never knew that. I was only 13 lol.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@shadowknight5964 No worries, man. The game shines it's utmost in the classical gametypes; duel, TDM, CTF and FFA, each with vastly different meta. The reason behind this is that (contrary to the popular belief) high-skill Quake is INCREDIBLY deep mental stuff, the superfast fragging and the fluid, eye-pleasing movement are just the "trimmings", they became so ingrained with time, that they don't require actual effort, if you know what I mean. For example: I was totally exhausted (mentally) after a few serious TDM league matches, constantly timing all those item, weapon and power up pickups to the second (you see, in pro-TDM rule set, even weapons have a 30 sec respawn time, so controlling them is crucial) , while forging ever-changing tactics trying to prevent and counter enemy maneuvers (and they are not just potatoes, but doing the same shit as we do), managing resources, communicating with team mates and doing the actual fragging with fast and precise movement at the same time, but after all this, I still could pubstomp for hours and hours on FFA servers, because the skill gap was so huge compared to the average player, that it didn't really matter that I became a braindead zombie a few hours prior, the muscle memory and the experience gained by thousands of hours of playing was more than enough to win, I didn't have to be "mentally present". When the other top tier FFA players arrived to the said servers, this carefree attitude changed instantly ofc, and had to be concentrated again on timing, area control and item cycling to be able to successfully push for the win. /rant off : D

[@RetroDeathReviews666]

Hell yeah, another younger Quake player! 1998 baby here, Quake 3 was one of my earliest gaming memories as well as the other first 2 Quakes, Blood, Doom, Kens Labyrinth and alot of other stuff from that 90s era. Also great video. I personally prefer Quake 3 over live but like you said it's much better playing the game with actual people. You should try Quake 1 deathmatch if you haven't already, that's my main go to. Batshit insane matches over there.

[@rocky.sroger8855]

4:42 you know there is a modded recreation of this game called quake champions doom edition it even adds characters like caleb from blood and the postal dude hell I actually got into a few multiplayer games it was fun as shit

[@StudioKudos]

Quake champions has no lootboxes, its a model the game abandoned quite early in its developement. Get your info straight when you make an apology video

[@marcello4258]

you are welcome :P ..yes it was so nice back in the days .. 'yo don't forget to bring a T-connector and a terminator' ..when BNC connections were still a thing and we used 10-Base5 ..but don't forget.. we used to play single player with bot most of the time even on counter strike 0.5 since broadband and unmetered internet connections were not really on the list and yes a ping below 100ms was good! so you had been on your Saturdays evening seeing yourself carrying CRT monitors and all stuff in car (yes neither laptops around for gaming or in general) to a friend and share the latest cat movies and then connecting the LAN for like 2 hours before you played ut99 or q3a

[@DelasVC]

well, a few corrections: 1. QC is not the most modern interpretation of the Quake game style - there's Diabotial which might not be as fancy graphics wise. It doesn't atempt to be though since for this kind of gamestyle simplicity is key! However it does a number of core features inherently better than QC like in game pickups for example - much more comfortable to get matches that way! Or that you can take part in warmup matches while queuing up for a regular match! On top of that it has the most flexible options menu out there to set the game up just as individual as it can be! 2. It's not hard to get games in QC. There are still enough players active to get matches every day! Might be dependent on the time of the day though.. 3. the fundamental experience with QC does actually please quite a lot of people - what's so annoying about the game is the terribly stiff design regarding some of the basic features like matchmaking or even the lack of an in game vod reviewer! The lack of mod support is the final nail to the coffin imho since it prevents the people who would actually care for the community and want to contribute to it from doing so.. The playerbase is bound to the same few maps without any possibility to expand on the game what so ever..! That's basically a _huge_ "fuck you" from bethesda to the fans of the series.. That's about my take on the game..

[@andzzcage4253]

I'm an old school quake player and I play regularly quake live. Servers are full of people and we have active free for all, clan arena, freeze tag and capture the flag servers. Let me put it this way. IF you loved quake 3 arena this is it. This is the better version of quake 3 arena with 50 more maps probably, some of them a lot better than a lot of the quake 3 arena maps. Its 10$ on steam but its worth buying. Most of the quake community play quake live so whenever you log in there always will be servers with people to play against. And that's the most important thing on quake to play against other people, i'm only sad that Unreal Tournament community didn't had a similar game like this one.

[@extbr3akz]

turned into day1 and stopped as it moved from the Browser onto Steam and the lobby Thing never brought me what i wanted to play beside CTF. Lets jump on it ...

[@memes_gbc674]

first time i tried quake 3 with ioquake3 i was sad to find only bots populated the main servers, surprisingly there's still real people in the freeze tag/unfreeze servers

[@mejftw]

just when i see someone describe q3's server life without filtering empty and full servers is a lovely experience for me to see. pls join any ql server.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

I need to get back to QL. Almost 3 years without it. D : Pickups are still a thing and many old players and mates are still fragging strong, which I find really comforting. Just love the community. You pedantic, hopeless, old fucks.

[@HollowRick]

I've just started playing quake live its so fun :D

[@PETERRORR]

Discord channel -> House of Quake

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@PETERRORR Founder of Pandaemonium here. : >

[@vetosimpvp7079]

Great video! Really enjoyed it.

[@EL34XYZ]

I was a huge Quake 3 fan. Lots of fun hours playing and watching tournaments with players like Fatal1ty. Would like to play Q3 on my Xbox One X if possible. I don't have a gaming PC anymore

[@BleakVision]

Dude you can still play Quake 3 with a LAN party;) That‘s what we did back in the day because most kids did not have Internet at home in 2000-2003

[@bxlxrteeworlds8782]

also i highly recommend "warfork" on stream, there is smaller skill gap and it has dash which is the most fun shit in warfork

[@Wylie288]

Good CPM alternative. I much prefer DIabotical over Quake Live as well for VQ3 physics

[@bxlxrteeworlds8782]

@@Wylie288 i would love to get into diabotical but i hate epic lmao

[@Wylie288]

@@bxlxrteeworlds8782 Ah you are the trendy type I see

[@bxlxrteeworlds8782]

@@Wylie288 im literally having an opinion

[@bxlxrteeworlds8782]

@@Wylie288 if i was trendy i was not a ex teeworlds player and i wont watch quake vids and listen to underground music?

[@hideshisface1886]

"I completely forgot about Rage, and there's no excuse for that" Actually, the fact that this is Rage we are talking about is a pretty decent excuse. As for Quake Champions - the MM is what made me bounce off this game. I always had most fun when playing 4player matches or duels. But when the game is constantly trying to cram 8 players on a tiny map... It creates a mess of a play. I don't find a daisy chain of killing someone and being killed by another guy behind me who gets killed by another one behind him all that fun. Or having fun with specific group of people only to be separated, because MM said so. For some reason, modern matchmaking just doesn't work for me with a game like this.

[@lydda9353]

There are slightly differences between Q3 and QL. QL has the heavy machine gun. Q3 does not. The railgun does 100 dmg in Q3. In QL only 80. These two just as an example. There are more differences

[@BEkov-kd8cf]

A ton of respect for owning up to mistakes you've made and correcting them. One thing I'll add about quake live is that is also has the best tutorial imho which makes it the best one for newcomers. Champions really don't have any instructions for new players.

[@FPMedia_]

Of course man. Forgetting about Rage was a silly oversight lmao. It's awesome that QL has a proper tutorial for new players.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@FPMedia_ "Proper." That's cute. : D

[@mayatodorova9741]

I had a lot of fun playing QL in the early 2010's and on and off till 2018. I'm that old I played Quake 2 and 3 at the local game clubs LAN and Net. In QL I was competitive in CTF (fave mode) and casual in the others like tier 4 placement. I managed to reach top 50 in CTF in QL elo site and top 1 in my country 😁😊 Sadly QC didn't met my expectations as successor to Q3 and QL in multiplayer aspect and was too ambitious in the wrong aspects to be "modernized" to compete with other multiplayer shooters at the time. Still had some fun, but was so meh 😔

[@tims.9883]

Nice video, thank you. Quake has always been niche this is true. And when it was just quake 3 arena you would still run into a lot of bots but also a lot of people talking about why quake 2 was better.

[@baboon608]

5:26 Hey, that's me in a video! :D

[@FPMedia_]

What's up man!

[@baboon608]

@@FPMedia_ Nothing much, how are you?

[@8293nokinho]

Is Quake live still there? I mean are there people playing it ?

[@guyclegg]

I can barely find a game with good ping in my area. I live in California.

[@bodycountplays2915]

Hey man, noticed you're in Australia, I'm setting up servers for multiple arena shooters, quake 3 included, if you want to experience quake 3 online I could probably help provide that 😉 should also give Warfork a go, it's still getting updates.

[@patepat]

all the times ive played quake live it just feels like a really fun online aim trainer.

[@AntonioSpaziano]

Well, here in EU, this game got "privatized" since each server has its own "Mafia" on it: you can't join if you're under a certain ELO (so new players just won't have the possibility to join most matches), new players get kicked out from the matches and don't have time to even learn the basics of the game, when you join certain servers you have to belong to some Discord server in order to play and even pre-order a match on there (just wtf lmao), many players on there cheat or use the game to try their cheats since game itself has no more support from its developers and consequentially nobody's gonna get banned for that, there are like a hundred of different maps on there and people have joy in playing the same 3 maps over and over again, still there's a toxic community calling every new-comer "g4y" "m1dg3t" "f4gg3t" "n1gg3r" or anything related with it, so first thoughts of new players obviously are: "Where in the Hell have I ensnared here? Do they even know this is just a game tho? lol" The only Quake I still feel "positively" active is obviously Champions, since there's no private servers on there; though, community has to improve their behaving, because new-comers do not leave for the "hard-learning-curve" bullshit, but in 90% of the cases for the community behaving, which is sensless and stupid in front of those poor guys. I mean, Doom Eternal also was hard as hell, but damn dude, everybody managed got to get 'till the end of the game, even though they have died like thousands of times or more; maybe this would be a complete sensless and discordant point to you, but everytime I've invited a friend of mine to get on there in the past 2 years, they've always left the game for the same reasons written above and on Steam either, so here's the truth spoken fellas.

[@craziemane2318]

Ya it's the same thing in Canada Ive been booted from multiple servers for doing poorly, but when I get to the top of the leader board I get banned. Then the rest of the servers are all password protected so I can't join them. That's why I only play quake champions for online quake matches.

[@iDZEJKOB]

You should try playing diabotical

[@maxfeeser2604]

I just played quake (via quake live) for the first time last night and I had a very fun time, free for all was fun but freeze tag gave me a team based experience with a second chance at getting a kill

[@Junya01]

How do u have fun playing with 200 ping?? As a fellow Aussie, I don't think I could play this unless Aus servers get filled up regularly. I might get it on sale, but 15 bucks for a game I won't be able to play regularly is not worth the cash for me. As for now, I'm fine sticking with tf2. Even with the bot crisis, no other game has blended casual and tryhard skill levels as well as that game has. Maybe I'll try quake one day tho

[@Sch1n89]

Playin it now for 20 years. Quake 3 and CPMA. Q3 CPMA is my favourite game of all time. I have a blue TankJr tattood and my calves. Hi from Germany. Im 32 now, i feel old, its like i played it yesterday, i can remember the moment so deeply when i entered the first game.

[@casual_villain]

As long as it has my bois Doomguy and Ranger, I’ll be sold

[@irishcreamconnoisseur]

Who DIDN'T forget about Rage?

[@lordgothajix527]

Playing quake 3 against people who have been playing it for longer than I've lived. Best game ever, even offline on nightmare difficulty.

[@henseltbrumbleburg3752]

Quake Champions ain't that bad. The progression isn't tied to gameplay, it's all fluff. The base game is solid, it's all there. Quake live is great, but champions has better feedback, having all the bells and whistles of a more modern game. It shouldn't be dismissed. it's a good time. All the Quake games are great tbh

[@eljavisaenz]

i have played this game about 2010 and i remember that was played directly on your browser with flash nothing to download and was FUN as hell !!!!

[@zatozatoichi7920]

Wrong, you had to download the game and install it as a plug-in, the browser was just the framework. Then came the awesome standalone client, and finally, that goddamn Steam.

[@eljavisaenz]

@@zatozatoichi7920 mmmm maybe ... i remember the plugin and i had a crappy pc at that time so browsing the internet was the only good thing and i remember that i just saw quake live the first time and click on it and the first load was ultra fast i never downloaded anything

[@zatozatoichi7920]

@@eljavisaenz For sure, played it since beta. : > It was a couple hundred MBytes (I think closer to 1 GB, later got bigger). Basically the game itself, then you used the browser to launch it.

[@bxlxrteeworlds8782]

3:20 the beginning of the video

[@WszyscyGramyPL]

Was playing quake live a lot back in the days when it was free and accessible through the browser, then I stopped gaming for a long time, and finally after stumbling upon the streams of the quake pro league I decided to give QC a try, about which I was very sceptical when it came out and refused to play it because of its class based gameplay. After playing QC for a year and finding it more or less fun, I decided to buy QL out from nostalgia and I can without a doubt say that QL is way more fun than QC, faster, more balanced, more map variety and a much better net code. I'm glad that in Europe thare are still enough active players to find a game without a struggle. Ultimately I'd just add an option to be able to play the Q3 maps with their original textures and QL would be perfect for me.

[@MikeStang2004]

Man I hope they do something with quake on the new consoles or in the coming year before this world ends!

[@DelasVC]

Got a question for you though: you seem to be into QL quite a bit. Do you know of any discord channels or something of that kind where players organize themselves to start pickups and stuff? Been looking for something like that for a while but haven't found any yet. According to you apparently there is still a decent playerbase for the game though

[@PETERRORR]

Hi join us on Discord channel -> House of Quake

[@johnspartan2096]

Just want to say I like your content. Keep it up.

[@F1END.MEGALITHIC]

QC's playerbase is 3x the size of QL's and now diaboticals out QL is double dead.

[@GizLord]

Not true, QL is far from dead

[@F1END.MEGALITHIC]

@@GizLord if QC is "dead" with its player count then QL is super dead.

[@GizLord]

@@F1END.MEGALITHIC I don't think QC is dead, in fact I think QC is thriving in his small niche community. And with QL's server browsing you don't even have to wait to find a match, at least in EU. It's true that everyone plays only clan arena, instagib freezetag and tdm but spreading negativity won't help anyone

[@DG-mw1bf]

I stumbled upon this review accidentally and I would like to underline that the following comment is not meant to be a troll one. I appreciate your work and the time invested in the video. However I do feel that you've missed quake as a game entirely and you're trying to retrospectively analyze it. Pro players aside, but the my part of the community had a hard time accepting Q3. The significantly reduced number of skill moves (double jumps, long jumps, ledge jumps) made the game seem noobish at the time. It took time to adjust to what Q3 had to offer as challenge and game mechanics. I am saying this to counter you saying that Q3 had the most significant impact and Q2 had identity crisis. For me Q2 was the foundation of modern FPS. Poor storyline and everything ... but it's like ID already felt that they don't need this anymore .... it just had to be there as ppl expected it. Muliplayer and mechanics were the focus of the game and oh my .. what a game

[@MrRudePolite]

Quake champions has been pretty lively in my experiences. I play it regularly and I think it’s the definitive modern quake experience. Just look at your ping in quake live , that’s not fun to me

[@vojtizslav]

Just look at player count in Quake Champions. Thats not fun to me.

[@LiSLagInShow]

It would be fantastic if quake were remastered

[@dreddykrugernew]

As for the ads on the walls, of course people looked at the advertising, as soon as something changes in a map everyone goes and has a nosey...

[@corriedebeer799]

Did Quake Champions not have a tournament with a million dollar prize pool last year? May have been in 2019, still that does not seem like a failed game to me.

[@Kerbiter]

You should try Quake Champions: Doom Edition, had a blast playing it.

[@orboksanci]

Also check out DIABOTICAL, an interesting take on Quake, with a tint of UT, but very community focused (map editor etc).

[@Maxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaax]

Quake 4's got multiplayer too; its also pretty good

[@brpadington]

I use one of the Quake 3 source ports and I found tons of matches and not all of them were bot lobbies.

[@wizun]

Quake Live is one of the best still worked games ever. But i really love Quake Champions and i hope will be still upraged. 3 new cool maps last year are awesome! I have 350 hours in QC, my personally record in one game. Btw, what do you think about Toxikk? Maybe is more like UT, but pretty well. Unfortunelly player base are dead :/

[@sonicclang]

Wait, wait, wait... what? Quake Live is still going??? I've heard id talk so many times about how it was a failed experiment. I just freaking assumed it was dead. How am I just finding out about this now??? Now I'm pissed. I need to go frag some people 8)

[@mrkeefor]

I started playing Quake live in 2008 when I got a beta key off some kind person off ESRreality was great back then always plenty of matches no matter the time. 2 years of beta it finally went public and was huge, so much so there was a queue system in place. I paid a yearly sub so bypassed it. No idea why they had 2 sub models (premium and pro) it was stupid and over priced for Pro sub at early 30 pounds sterling for a year. Also they locked maps and game modes behind the pay wall. Many people suggested adding the game to steam and ditching the premium sub and lowering the pro price but they were too stubborn. I have had loads of fun with QL over the 10 plus years I've played it. Also liked watching the duels between the pro gamers. Check out freeze tag it is super fun game mode.