Quarter sawn oak

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Keith Veronesi (Keith's Woodwork)

Keith Veronesi (Keith's Woodwork)

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@LastDeadman
@LastDeadman 7 жыл бұрын
As a craftsman that builds hardwood furniture, this was awesome seeing this end of it and seeing how logs can be cut and how 1/4 sawn oak is cut before it is ready to be planed and milled into beautiful furniture
@jamesclarke5397
@jamesclarke5397 7 жыл бұрын
I really like your technique! I've quarter sawn a ton of wood on our LT40 and LT70 Wide, but I've never turned the log into an octagon first. I have cut from 8 angles the way you did, I just squared up the octagonal sides later. I'll be trying your method soon when I get a load of red oak, it'll definitely speed things up! The only thing I'd suggest, have you tried running two cants at once? For red oak you can normally get away with 20+ inches of cut with no cut quality issues, though I'd never try that in white oak or hard maple, that's a whole different world. It helps a lot quarter sawing smaller logs and minimizing the number of narrow cuts I do on a sharper blade. For example, using the timing in the video, at 6:20, after you split the log, you could flip and continue cutting both halves. Then at 6:45 you would have the bottom of both halves which you could flip and take cuts off of at the same time (flipping two cants takes a little practice with the clamp and chain roller, or on the LT40 no practice with a cant hook and a helper you can watch...). Then if you like tempting fate (not really), at 6:55 you'd have two cants to cut the angle off of (light clamp pressure and there's no reason the blade would pull the cants around). Then at 7:30 you'd have two cants back to back (I don't know why you flat-sawed the previous wedge though, so that affects things if you need to cut the cants two different ways!)
@noenzinga9053
@noenzinga9053 4 жыл бұрын
how much is if I try To find the used one please
@rchancock
@rchancock 4 жыл бұрын
Hands down the most efficient and correct quarter sawn log demonstration
@mugsymegaton3769
@mugsymegaton3769 4 жыл бұрын
I said to my wife, “I love trees”, she said, “Why don’t you marry one”. I said, “Don’t get Birchy with me or I’ll drop you like a blighted Elm and go find myself a Knotty Pine!
@vickygambardella7174
@vickygambardella7174 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are amazing craftsmen. I hope you are planning to share your expertise with the younger generation, so that your skills can live on forever.
@Rose-f2t
@Rose-f2t Жыл бұрын
vickygambardella7174 Craftsmen ? That is a stretch. He wasted 60% of the log
@nine9whitepony526
@nine9whitepony526 Жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool Thats quite the neat band saw contraption. And that operator looks like he's done it a few times.
@allanmclean6659
@allanmclean6659 7 жыл бұрын
WOW! What a great demonstration of a pro in action! Learned a lot about how you quarter-saw, and how you get the most from a log. Thanks for the education...
@ofdirtandiron2868
@ofdirtandiron2868 5 жыл бұрын
this is one of the better videos ive seen about quarter sawing thats how i remember doing it years ago with my brother in law and there is alot of wasted wood thats why it cost more.
@rancidpitts8243
@rancidpitts8243 5 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of comments on waste of lumber, here is something to ponder. This Video is about custom cutting and not about commercial lumber production. The Sawyer is only interested in producing what his customer wants. If the customer wants certain cuts he does that. If he cannot do that he gets no business. My father did custom additions to homes. The customer had his ideas, my father gave advice. If there was No meeting of minds, he went home. Simple. I feel sure that happened here before the video. It works better when instructions were clear and understood. In this case waste was known by all to be a byproduct .
@benscoles5085
@benscoles5085 5 жыл бұрын
quarter saw yields the prettiest grain, plain saw or rift saw gives good yield but lacks the ''pretty'' ,like filet a fish, you loose meat, cut it down the middle and fry, you gain meat, but loose the table appeal. I said all this just to say, better to have a quarter sawn table with filet fish, than plain saw table with a fish split in 2. quality matters, and has a cost.
@robertevans6481
@robertevans6481 7 жыл бұрын
always love watching some band sawing...
@PrimalWoods
@PrimalWoods 7 жыл бұрын
Roy is indeed a Master Sawyer; the guy is a wizard with the hydraulics
@warrenmaker798
@warrenmaker798 4 жыл бұрын
this is so damn addictive, I can't stop watching.. and Roy is a master operator
@superbuddyfranklin
@superbuddyfranklin 5 жыл бұрын
Roy is so special he even has a dwarf walking beside him with an umbrella....
@protect.your.digits.creations
@protect.your.digits.creations 8 жыл бұрын
The is something about watching a great operator and his mill do their stuff........ Protect Your DIGITS.....Gregg
@Wood_Slice
@Wood_Slice 3 жыл бұрын
Thats an amazing sawyer. Good job
@jeffcouture6048
@jeffcouture6048 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like he starts with the octagon so he has useful flat surfaces later for his clamping. Same with sawing off that pith corner. Speed over max yield. And you would lose some width on some of the nicest true quartersawn. Fun to watch.
@MrBikeman7
@MrBikeman7 4 жыл бұрын
I just watched the Frank Miller Animation clip on Quarter Sawing. It appears to me the Frank Miller method is streets ahead of what this guy is doing and with a lot less waste.
@salty7943
@salty7943 4 жыл бұрын
different type of saw for one .... he is making close to finish product so he is removing the bark ... the frank miller method doesnt remove the bark first so yes less waste but more prep time and more time sawing them down AGAIN later
@ricardofuzisawa
@ricardofuzisawa 4 жыл бұрын
This guy operating the sawn is a genius
@patrickdean4853
@patrickdean4853 Жыл бұрын
The sawyer (and I mean that) knows what he is doing … most do not. Well done!
@jsgillsp6210
@jsgillsp6210 3 жыл бұрын
Cool! Hey, what model of Wood-Mizer is that?
@mikestroman353
@mikestroman353 5 жыл бұрын
Now that's a good video. Snappy moves right along with no unnessacary shots , explaining of proceeded . Just a good working shirt
@Wood_Slice
@Wood_Slice 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the umbrella
@rickgillis1613
@rickgillis1613 5 жыл бұрын
didn't see a link to Roy.
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 5 жыл бұрын
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@mversantvoort
@mversantvoort 6 жыл бұрын
Good video, looks like a lot of beautiful lumber!
@scottnorman408
@scottnorman408 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Quarter sawed and book matched wood is very desirable for making high end guitars.
@milesgentry2561
@milesgentry2561 4 жыл бұрын
That mill is awesome.
@tomco78
@tomco78 6 жыл бұрын
Roy knows how to quarter saw oak!!! Great video!
@DrJohn493
@DrJohn493 5 жыл бұрын
I've been sawing up lumber, mostly pine, on a band saw mill for about 8 years and I still don't understand the benefit or advantages of quarter sawing lumber, especially because of the odd ball size waste that's created. Flat or plain sawn lumber reduces the waste and I can get a greater yield of the size lumber I'm cutting for (such as 2x4s, 2x6s, 1x6s, 1x8s, etc.). But, to each his own depending on what you're trying to achieve.
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 5 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right. The benefit is the way the grain looks on the face of the lumber. Pine doesn't make a difference but on oak the face of the board looks completely different when it's quarter sawn rather than flat sawn. Which is why you'll see only specific of types lumber offered in quarter sawn.
@Ultrafrozen
@Ultrafrozen 5 жыл бұрын
Less dimensional change with humidity swings on quarter sawn wood.
@green-zone36
@green-zone36 5 жыл бұрын
A flat sawn board becomes wider or narrower with changes in humidity. As an example, a flat sawn solid oak floor will develop gaps and compression cupping with seasonal changes in humidity. Moist summers and dry winters. If your floor is quarter sawn the movement is now mostly in the thickness of the floor. Not visible under most conditions as the movement is along the grain which is vertical in quarter sawn.
@DrJohn493
@DrJohn493 5 жыл бұрын
@@green-zone36 This is the best explanation I've heard so far, thanks. Most of the lumber I saw up is for my personal use constructing things like garden or horse run-in sheds, a barn and a small cabin on our place where shrinkage and expansion is not a critical factor. Knowing what I know now, I'll give quarter sawing a try when shrinkage/expansion is a concern.
@sharpeguns1
@sharpeguns1 5 жыл бұрын
Make handles out of the other pieces, I turn them on a Lathe and make file Handles axe handles etc
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
And pen blanks.
@elainecarpenter2817
@elainecarpenter2817 8 жыл бұрын
this person must want to make flooring what the only way i could possibly think they would waste so much???? please correct me if im wrong???
@Stonehorn81
@Stonehorn81 7 жыл бұрын
It's called Quarter sawn wood, and it makes more waste but creates much better wood.
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
What waste??? You can use the bark and sap wood for firewood. And the small pieces of lumber can be used for pen blanks. And I used my mill to make some beautiful quarter-sawn flooring.
@ashforkdan
@ashforkdan 5 жыл бұрын
So that's why quarter sawn is so expensive. Nice machine.
@hamidjuma2357
@hamidjuma2357 5 жыл бұрын
How much is it sold
@markm9710
@markm9710 5 жыл бұрын
2 Questions, What's with the umbrella? I didn't notice any rain Also Is the quarter sawn mainly used for hardwood flooring or furniture?
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 5 жыл бұрын
I think the umbrella is for shade and/or rain. You can use quarter sawn oak for anything. It is more stable than flat/plain sawn. I've used it for furniture, bookcases, tabletops, cabinets and whatever else I thought the grain pattern grain pattern would complement. Thanks for watching and the question
@lindavandergiessen5741
@lindavandergiessen5741 5 жыл бұрын
Great saw. and that guy REALLY knows his stuff! The sawdust wood be perfect for making pellets for a smoker.
@amtreesurgeon
@amtreesurgeon 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for the upload!
@thebones
@thebones 2 жыл бұрын
very satisfying to watch skilled workers.
@frankdenniskw
@frankdenniskw 7 жыл бұрын
Thank for sharing, first time I've seen a band saw used for quarter sawn. Beautiful wood and it should be a blast to work woth!!
@sethwarner2540
@sethwarner2540 7 жыл бұрын
He may know his machine well, but he's throwing away a lot of quarter-sawn wood!! why cut off those corners? you could have had 3 more inches of quarter-sawn lumber x4 for each of the quarters.
@stoneyface65
@stoneyface65 7 жыл бұрын
right? couldve got more boards out of it.
@piledriver141
@piledriver141 6 жыл бұрын
Corners would be more rift sawn
@copenhagensnuff5991
@copenhagensnuff5991 5 жыл бұрын
This is not Quarter sawing,he Is sawing like this because of no Edger.
@gottabighit1
@gottabighit1 5 жыл бұрын
He B a newby, thats why. He will learn over time, as we all have...
@butterflyspringsranch482
@butterflyspringsranch482 5 жыл бұрын
We thought the same thing at first. Only thing we can think of is if the person wanting the lumber STRICTLY wanted center ring cuts either for strength or anti-shrinkage and planned to burn rest in stove or fire place. Just a guess lol. We will give him benefit of the doubt.
@crazyequestrians5083
@crazyequestrians5083 5 жыл бұрын
Do you know what mill hes using?
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
Wood-mizer
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
You are good at this. It is the same way I do it.
@fabian_ajib
@fabian_ajib 5 жыл бұрын
Cant accessing your website. Could i order some custom sawn woods from you?
@VdtWorkout
@VdtWorkout 5 жыл бұрын
The machine is very fast and beautiful, I really like your video
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
Speeded up video
@ignatiusjk
@ignatiusjk 7 жыл бұрын
OK first how much was the log itself, next how much did your band saw guy charge. How many board feet did you end up getting.
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 7 жыл бұрын
Tom Smith the tree was free, the sawyer gets $75/hour. about 500 board feet
@gottabighit1
@gottabighit1 5 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see the grain, as that is THE purpose of Q-sawing...
@julianlockett7916
@julianlockett7916 5 жыл бұрын
gottabighit1 4
@jaysmexicangrill965
@jaysmexicangrill965 3 жыл бұрын
dont you think its lot of waist off lumber i like to do this but i am not going to do this sorry
@pamtnman1515
@pamtnman1515 6 жыл бұрын
those corner edge pieces are perfect for making walking sticks by hand or on a lathe
@beefree7114
@beefree7114 7 жыл бұрын
This isn't a music video...shut that noise off and let us hear the band saw run...that's what we love not the stupid music!
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA 7 жыл бұрын
And I was thinking it was just a shitty music video?
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
Press mute
@4264speed
@4264speed 7 жыл бұрын
Cutting a log into quarters and sawing it still gives you flat sawn lumber This is not true quarter sawn lumber Look at the ends of the boards and check the direction of the growth rings and you will see this lumber is flat sawn
@TheChrisPineWorkshop
@TheChrisPineWorkshop 7 жыл бұрын
I never grow tired of watching saw mill videos! I have one on my channel if you would like to check it out. I don't want to high jack your video here so I will not post a link. That material will be awesome once it is dry!
@mwthinks3067
@mwthinks3067 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Pine why is that? I too can watch sawing videos for hours. I don't have the money, time, or space for one but I want to go buy a portable mill and saw boards all day! Lol. The guys that have them should charge admission so guys like me can play too... better than an amusement park ride.
@mechanoid5739
@mechanoid5739 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Pine.. Cool name for someone who likes watching sawmill videos! :) I agree though! There is something deeply satisfying watching a huge log being sawn into useful lumber!
@helenavondrakenstein4969
@helenavondrakenstein4969 5 жыл бұрын
such a cool saw
@TIMLASHLEY
@TIMLASHLEY 8 жыл бұрын
good job but looks like a lot of wasted wood
@DrJohn493
@DrJohn493 5 жыл бұрын
It is...
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
Not waste, it is bark and sapwood.
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 6 жыл бұрын
Great comment! Happy Thanksgiving
@davidparry8514
@davidparry8514 5 жыл бұрын
I love it...the good stuff straight onto the truck
@kizitodavid4457
@kizitodavid4457 4 жыл бұрын
I need this mobile sawmill but i am dealing with hardwood from Africa
@dm3stone
@dm3stone 6 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@noconz0727
@noconz0727 8 жыл бұрын
That is an awesome mill
@jamminbucy7781
@jamminbucy7781 6 жыл бұрын
more money . more better sawmill. i can always dream.
@TheRedhawke
@TheRedhawke 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing.
@ashforkdan
@ashforkdan 5 жыл бұрын
That's a nice machine.
@exotictones1054
@exotictones1054 3 жыл бұрын
Why did he move the saw over the top half way n back better making the cut.
@quinnsmith2955
@quinnsmith2955 6 жыл бұрын
no bad day making quarter sawn oak
@transplant5449
@transplant5449 7 жыл бұрын
great video guys
@silentteeth7072
@silentteeth7072 5 жыл бұрын
I'm in the market for a saw. My son's and I are building homes on a huge property together
@1965JB
@1965JB 4 жыл бұрын
I gotta find someone who owns one of these and needs a helper.
@joekonopka9753
@joekonopka9753 7 жыл бұрын
Thats not quartersawing
@СергейКравец-ъ6ы
@СергейКравец-ъ6ы 5 жыл бұрын
It is so much ridiculous. To spoil a first class oak. What to they smoke?
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
How would you cut mit?
@WhiskeyDale
@WhiskeyDale 5 жыл бұрын
I can smell the sawdust from here. love it.
@patkarlsson
@patkarlsson 8 жыл бұрын
This dude runs the machine like a god!
@bubbagofigure9371
@bubbagofigure9371 6 жыл бұрын
Watch the mill flex as he cuts. How can any of that wood be straight
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 6 жыл бұрын
Weird. Ive used it and it was all dead straight.
@donnarogers2036
@donnarogers2036 5 жыл бұрын
It's because He doesn't have the rear outrigger down all the way.
@uffesorensen9040
@uffesorensen9040 8 жыл бұрын
A lot of waste
@jamesclarke5397
@jamesclarke5397 7 жыл бұрын
You can actually end up with a lot less waste by quarter sawing. You end up with more stable lumber, reducing lumber lost to cupping, checking, and just simply not looking as nice as quarter sawn (depending on species and figure). Because if it doesn't sell or get used, it's waste!
@cherryblossomforge6896
@cherryblossomforge6896 7 жыл бұрын
That is not the way that I quarter saw but to each his own. I try to get as much out of the log as possible. Though I do remove the bark and sapwood I do try to get a post out of the heartwood if I can. If he comes by your place again, ask him to clean up and quarter the log like he did and then take from the bottom of the cant then roll and take from the bottom again. Then roll it back and repeat until it is spent. You don't get that many boards of the same width but you are just looking for quarter sawn for furniture not framing so 5/4 and 9/4 mean more to you than 2x4 or 2x6... See where I am here? Anyways, my two cents. He made quick work of it for sure. Great video! :)
@uffesorensen9040
@uffesorensen9040 7 жыл бұрын
absolutely...
@jamwhenever
@jamwhenever 4 жыл бұрын
Good operator.
@kennethkustren9381
@kennethkustren9381 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you know someone to build a pair of beams... to make a thick panel clamping table,... laminate those corners together ... aughta make a nice work bench top. Butcher block style. Copyrighted in Canada by me... but you can use it on 3% commissions... Ok?
@olben1095
@olben1095 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this.
@ronfleming6701
@ronfleming6701 4 жыл бұрын
A good day making lumber out of logs. It's all good
@norlure
@norlure 7 жыл бұрын
It is funny to see people commenting about "too much waste".Sawyer,helper, boss everyone working as one.Video very well done.I also wish for a Wood-Mizer.Thanks
@produitsforestiergrison4704
@produitsforestiergrison4704 8 жыл бұрын
Good job
@lectro88
@lectro88 2 жыл бұрын
well this vid is 6yrs old and I'm posting on it. Excellent operator on the mill. I just got an entry level mill and his is way better for quarter sawing. so far as labor. I'm still on the fence as to the quarter sawing, it's very labor intensive and wastefull(to me) again I'm not against it, just on the fence so far as labor vrs yield. however.. the center boards in the cross or heart of that trunk would probably be crap for splitting(hence the fence that i'm on) Very nice video thanks for posting,.. another like.
@othonkai
@othonkai 2 жыл бұрын
That is so cool
@davidunderwood4341
@davidunderwood4341 6 жыл бұрын
nice video
@mgt00656
@mgt00656 6 жыл бұрын
due was good
@johncourtneidge
@johncourtneidge 5 жыл бұрын
Thank-you! Lovely work!
@jasonnester9514
@jasonnester9514 5 жыл бұрын
They call this quarter sawn all I see is reg boards being milled out this is not true quarter sawn wood moving on
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
How would you do it?
@bohemian46
@bohemian46 6 жыл бұрын
Love the umbrella.Agreed on the waste.. a little more thinking would have resulted in a little more, and larger, boards. Otherwise good job.Quality before quantity.BTW I just had 600 board feet of quarter sawn high fleck (figure) white oak stolen . The tree was 105 years old. Planks to 22" wide.. all gone.
@jeffbruce6369
@jeffbruce6369 7 жыл бұрын
octagon is most certainly the inroad to most of the quarters, ya!! and thus much "waste", although that waste is valuable to many a woodworker~~~thx much for this vid, eh
@dettlingwillhelm2966
@dettlingwillhelm2966 7 жыл бұрын
Will man diese Maschine Verkaufen oder nicht?
@lakesidehog9525
@lakesidehog9525 6 жыл бұрын
Quarter sawing requires the quarter cant to be flipped end for end for each cut putting a flat face up for each cut as well......anything else is bullshit.......you can google it.....I laugh my ass off at those who think its something other than what I typed up there^^^^^^^^
@oliverm5sc
@oliverm5sc 5 жыл бұрын
What a waste of wood with this method, might get a little more QS but lose way too much
@oldbatwit5102
@oldbatwit5102 5 жыл бұрын
Should get enough to make a nice pencil case.
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA 7 жыл бұрын
1/8 sawing if you calculate in the waste he unnecessarily added. 1/4 times 1/2 = 1/8.
@ryszardsmoczynski8889
@ryszardsmoczynski8889 5 жыл бұрын
O
@juliogomez9379
@juliogomez9379 7 жыл бұрын
To much waste
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
What waste? We can even use the sawdust to make pellets for using in the expensive pellet grills.
@vancroft13
@vancroft13 7 жыл бұрын
This is the OLD way of quarter-sawing from when they did not give a sh*t about wasting a precious resource But now there are much better methods where you could have gotten some very nice wide boards out of that log instead of of those skinny lath's you got now and about 25% more te boot so tell your friend to do some research and get with the times ! most info is most likely available on You Tube !!!!!
@KeithVeronesi
@KeithVeronesi 7 жыл бұрын
vancroft13 thanks I will.
@SKArora-rk1jr
@SKArora-rk1jr 7 жыл бұрын
hi Sir, I am in Africa and like to buy this Sawmill. Can you tell me which Model and Company so that I can buy and how much price.
@frankdenniskw
@frankdenniskw 7 жыл бұрын
Here's a link for the WoodMizer LT70, base price is just over $54K US woodmizer.com/us/Products/Portable-Sawmills/LT70-Portable-Sawmill
@patrickdean4853
@patrickdean4853 6 жыл бұрын
I been a professional sawyer & the simple fact of the matter is you “waste” about 50% of log yield when producing QS lumber. Simple as that. Typical log yield on good logs is about 75%. Only Americans measure log yield based upon systems that incorporate kerf loss and so on (Doyle, Scheibner or International measure). I disagree with this negative remarks... for a smaller Sawmill, they did just fine.
@cjsmith8280
@cjsmith8280 5 жыл бұрын
weirdest idea! slab next time
@mrtada8101
@mrtada8101 3 жыл бұрын
Pog
@jeffsmith3581
@jeffsmith3581 5 жыл бұрын
Really liked the Video ,then the singing started please no more music.
@davidtrutwin3790
@davidtrutwin3790 4 жыл бұрын
I just mute it and use the cc feature {close captioning}
@jeffeaves5399
@jeffeaves5399 5 жыл бұрын
that's very wasteful only thing he knows is to make sawdust just watch some other videos you will see
@nickbeam5432
@nickbeam5432 5 жыл бұрын
My goodness if he can't do math then i wouldn't have him cut any of my tree's. After seeing this kind of waste tells me 1/4 is the only math he knows and this is why he can only cut this way.
@Bigpoppi1469
@Bigpoppi1469 5 жыл бұрын
nice video untill i stabbed myself in the ear with a #2 pencil because of the crap music. never understand why people feel the need to add music to videos.
@Rose-f2t
@Rose-f2t Жыл бұрын
Most wasteful way to quarter saw a log. It looks like you lost 60% of your lumber 🤣There are better ways, you know 😮‍💨
@baliwisatachannel1661
@baliwisatachannel1661 4 жыл бұрын
Rendemen.. Lost... No efektiv
@tonaldculpepper4119
@tonaldculpepper4119 5 жыл бұрын
Damn too bad that crap music had to be thrown in... had to leave
@chriscrocker9696
@chriscrocker9696 5 жыл бұрын
Too bad he doesn't know how to mill... too much wasted lumber, and too much wasted turns and moves
@richardbaker4557
@richardbaker4557 5 жыл бұрын
wasting a lot of good wood............
@mrcoz1764
@mrcoz1764 7 жыл бұрын
quarter sawing is a waste of time and material,,,,if you gut straight thru the log,,,you acheive the same grain woods
@LastDeadman
@LastDeadman 7 жыл бұрын
Not with oak
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