Queen Acceptance and Queen Supersedure

Issues with queen acceptance and queen supersedure were addressed at a meeting of the Charleston Area Beekeepers Association in Charleston, SC.
Introduction and early performance of queen bees - some factors affecting success www.agrifutures.com.au/wp-con...
Behavioural Studies on Queen Introduction in the Honeybee 1. Effect of the Age of Workers www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...
Apis mellifera queens,
www.researchgate.net/publicat...
Problems With Queen Banks, by J. Woyke www.semanticscholar.org/paper...
Injuries of Worker Bees (Apis Mellifera Carnica) Stored in Own and Stranger Queenright Colonies
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Performance of artificially inseminated honeybee queens that have bodily injuries www.researchgate.net/publicat...
Larry Conner, Queen Banks, Bee Culture, May 2006 www.wicwas.com/sites/default/f...

[@ricksutton2902]

Well Bob in my operation I quit selling Queens 5 years ago. I just raised Queen for my self. One less thing to focus on. In our Queen yard we go on a 28-day cycle. Keep up the good work Bob enjoy your videos

[@ricksutton107]

You are right

[@hamansgapper9755]

A smart man makes a mistake, learns from it, and never makes that mistake again. But a wise man finds a smart man and learns from him how to avoid the mistake altogether. Roy H. Williams

[@JimWellman]

I don't look forward to much; however, the opposite is true about your new videos. As I sit here in the orange groves of Central Florida, about to check on my bees, my work is paused while I watch this new video. Thanks for posting.

[@bobbinnie9872]

Thank you. I just spent four days in Florida visiting friends and took my camera with me. I hope to post some of that soon.

[@JimWellman]

@@bobbinnie9872 looking forward to it.

[@basspro120]

Thanks Bob! Heard this at Kaman’s conference and glad it’s now recorded so I can listen to it again for things I missed.

[@thehiveandthehoneybee9547]

whre is the conference?

[@basspro120]

@@thehiveandthehoneybee9547 was in Lebanon Tennessee

[@thehiveandthehoneybee9547]

@@basspro120 THanks! i hope to go some day!

[@dannywalden457]

I have so much respect for you Bob Binnie, Thanks for always bringing your A game/honesty..

[@JamaicaSound]

Thanks for the great informations Mr Binnie, I've read this study in a book few years ago and as result that 35 days statistic became law for me for every queen rearing pianification.

[@sunsetheritagefarm1189]

Thank you Bob!!!! I have listened to your videos dozens and dozens of times. Every time I catch something that I missed. I can’t thank you enough for making these videos for all of us to watch and study over and over. What a gift you’re giving the bees by helping us be better beekeepers. Looking forward to seeing more videos as your season takes off. Take care and stay safe!! Lorie 🐝👏😁

[@bobbinnie9872]

Thank you Lorie.

[@markbooth8458]

Hello Bob. The bees are a couple of weeks behind here in Central Virginia There's no natural pollen available yet. This is a good video for this time of year. A lot of your subscribers probably would like to see a video of how you introduce a queen using the push in cage method and possibly how you make the push in cage. I've never seen anyone use a cage with the little door, but it does seem like a great way to place the queen in the cage.

[@keithfaithful3989]

You are undoubtedly the best info. On successful beekeeping. Thanks and God bless.

[@armanpoloyan570]

Hi Mr. Bob,how are You.I have good news,I have bought rollers for making beeswax foundation.And I have already made 240 foundations from my own beeswax,thats really nice.Lets see how bees going to accept those foundations.

[@OklahomaBeekeeper]

I also heard this at Kamon's conference from you and this is information, I had never heard before the conference and was one of many things made the conference a game changer for my small enterprise. I've learned more from you than anyone else and you Don't know how much I appreciate what you are doing for the side liners and hobbyists. I have said it before and say it again, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.

[@bobbinnie9872]

Hi Malcolm. Thanks for the comment.

[@Dnelson807]

Videos on queens are what we are all here for 👍👍

[@noureddinemekdad6705]

Thanks for the great information

[@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924]

great. i am on the right track. after last summers CRASH course on queen rearing, i decided no queens leave till they have capped brood. sounds like that timing will fit right in. I also am planning on the ones going to a friend that is a commercial beekeeper, they are going on a frame with their own brood, so they never stop laying. cant wait to get this year started. thank you so much

[@philbertamiel7510]

Hi Bob, hope all is well. The information in this video is just invaluable.

[@frankspataro9714]

Hey Bob hope things are well and you southern boys will be rocking soon enough

[@bobbinnie9872]

Thanks, about to be wide open.

[@randallcarter-carterhillho2277]

Thank you bob. I had to learn some of this the hard way 14 years ago.

[@mikerevendale4810]

Great content! And this is confirmation to what I've witnessed after +30 years of beekeeping. I've found that when introducing purchased queens to a colony that a push cage works best; and I'm not in a hurry to release her. I try to place her over an area with a few open cells and some capped worker brood. I check her in 5 to 7 days, and may release her at this time. And when I raise my own queens I leave them alone for several weeks in their mating nucs. Trying to rush a new queen often leads to her rejection. But it's amazing how a new queen settles down to business in just a few weeks time, and the whole colony's temperament changes too.

[@btrull6018]

Thanks Bob for your insightful and informative videos.

[@jhhoneybees7066]

Two thumbs up for this video. I also know what question to ask when I place an order, and know what the answer will be.

[@markspc1]

Thank you Bob, great instructional video.

[@carybruton7284]

you are the man. thanks Bob

[@12ArmyNavy12]

Thanks Bob for all your videos. I have certainly learned a lot from you. I try to watch all of your videos and love learning more about the honey bees.

[@ROD_OF_IRON]

Keep up the Good work and thanks for the video

[@jbeebuchanan2136]

Such a wealth of info. Thank you sir.

[@ohoiboi9818]

Bob this was amazing im so grateful that you talked about all of this the information/research you presented is absolute knowledge gold thank you.

[@blain2484]

Great information as always! Thanks for sharing!

[@BlanchardsBees]

Appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

[@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns]

Fantastic info Bob!! Thanks for sharing!!

[@jeremyhuggins8796]

Another great video Bob!

[@enstreetbees9968]

Truly appreciate the wisdom thank you 4th season in youtube is my only mentor available

[@altaylor293]

Good information. Thanks Bob.

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

Great video Bob! Thanks for the education.

[@WordsPhotos]

Thank you so much for this video, so informative.

[@Melba212121]

Great information! Thank you so much for sharing this.

[@charliehincy5078]

Thanks Mr. Bob.

[@barryduke8329]

Great video, all makes sense and you explain it clearly.

[@anthonypope5830]

Great video! Thanks for the information.

[@billc3405]

Thank you for taking the time to put up the videos always great information from your bank of knowledge

[@kellyellingson2335]

Your great at presenting your wealth of information. Very much appreciated for your time! Thank you! Huge fan!

[@beekeepinggarden165]

Great information 🐝🐝👍👍 thanks Bob!🐝

[@user-mi4fj9rq7v]

Just re-watched this video again for the tenth time....A+ ! Excellent information in this presentation! Has helped me greatly ! Thanks Bob

[@mihai.r-beekeeper5694]

Thank you Bob.👍

[@dianetaylor6751]

Now ya are starting to get into the good stuff!!!! Plz keep the videos coming!

[@stufarnham]

fascinating presentation, Bob. The beekeeping world is buzzing (clever, eh? Not really) with talk about queen quality, The research you have presented allows us to quantify the factors effecting queen quality, at least as measured by acceptance. Thanks for presenting this information in such a clear, concise manner. Invaluable! Stu

[@bobbinnie9872]

Thanks.

[@jeffsea6490]

Thanks for sharing valuable content 👍

[@HereWeGoSteelers]

Thanks Bob

[@bayrakov]

This is the first time I've heard that the queen can be damaged in the cage if the bees don't have access to her. Maybe we are talking about different cells? Here in Europe we use flat cells with small vents on one side and the sides. Аccording to the videos I've seen in Ukraine they are experimenting with a queen bank that contains three queens on each side of the frame (a total of 6) in the very center of the qweenless hive and so far they manage to overwinter without a problem and problems with the queens. Greetings form Bulgaria

[@donbearden1953]

I’m convinced Bob has forgot more about bees than I will ever know!

[@bobbinnie9872]

Hi Don. The challenge is to stop forgetting.

[@russellkoopman3004]

Don, I know that for sure for me. But if your eyes are open for 40 years in the bees you should figure a few things out. I'm glad that Bob and several other good beeks are able to share with us their lessons they have learned.

[@lavenderlilacproductions]

I've heard that the memory is the second thing you lose. But I forgot what was supposed to go first.

[@donbearden1953]

@@lavenderlilacproductions first my vision stated fading, then hearing and next the memory and I’m 68. Those are 3 necessities and of course your health!

[@ke6gwf]

@@bobbinnie9872 that's why these videos are so great, Preserving the Brilliance!

[@stevenwimmer5002]

The push in cage method using hardware cloth worked well for me. Had a lot of success introducing new queens using this method.... and the cages are simple to build. Thanks for sharing...

[@majidalghurabi3097]

Thank you very much )

[@maherelachkar4470]

thank you

[@graemediesel2936]

This was great Bob. I would like to see how you make your push in cages

[@beebruns2023]

merci pour toutes c est infos c est très interressant

[@bobbinnie9872]

Je vous en prie

[@honeydropfarm1605]

Mr. Binnie, I'm just waiting for the announcement that you're going to start shipping queens. When you do, I want to start reserving some for my first wave of splits every spring.

[@user-ub3fc4nr9e]

There are many factors that influence the reception of the queen bee. Write to comment, it will be interesting.

[@joseantonioosorio5280]

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[@bobbinnie9872]

Hola a nicaragua

[@joseantonioosorio5280]

@@bobbinnie9872 hola Dios lo bendiga a usted y su familia

[@joseantonioosorio5280]

Dios lo bendiga patrón como ba el trabajo

[@issentsov]

🔥

[@gwtill]

Great information! Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge and experience. In the part about swapping queens between hives do you know if they had to allow time for the colonies to know they were queenless, or did they just pull one out and insert another queen immediately?

[@bobbinnie9872]

Immediately.

[@gwtill]

@@bobbinnie9872 Wow! That is amazing. Goes against what I “thought” I knew.😁

[@burleybeeyard]

Another great video. Do y’all happen to sell over wintered Nucs?

[@bobbinnie9872]

We have in the past but we're moving away from that.

[@jannassary]

As the saying goes BOB'S UR UNCLE

[@hunterjohnson6965]

After doing a removal i noticed I would loose queen in the coming weeks. But if I fed them 1 to 1 sugar water I had better luck.

[@JosiahGarber]

I use the push in cage method for requeening like you demonstrated and it works great. When I sell queens sometimes my customers ask how soon they should introduce the queen in the jzbz cage after pinching her? Would you recommend adding the caged queen immediately after pinching? Or waiting a certain period of time before adding the caged queen?

[@bobbinnie9872]

If possible we like to wait six hours or so. Not always possible though. We often do it immediately with success but it's better to let them understand that they are queenless first. Less antagonism that way.

[@markwelsch940]

I've recently started watching your videos and like all of them. I like the text you often put in most of the videos that I've watched. However, often I'm either driving or doing other work that prevents me from reading them. Would you please consider reading them to us? Or, have another person, read them. That way a different voice would let us know when we can't watch, that it's not you speaking, but someone else's quotes.

[@bobbinnie9872]

@@markwelsch940 Others have said too. I'm considering how it would turn out. Thanks.

[@bradgoliphant]

Hello Bob. I have a question that needs your expertise. My hive is close to complete honey-bound, so I have added new frames to give them room. I also have a newly mated queen. She is going on 8 days without laying, yet I can tell she is close because her abdomen has greatly enlarged, as well as she is now looking into cells. My question is, once the queen does start laying, will the workers move the nectar/honey up to clear room for her to lay????? Thank you so much Bob for all your help. I learn a lot from you.

[@bobbinnie9872]

Hi Brad. Yes, they will make room if they can but they won't move honey to draw out new comb from foundation.

[@bradgoliphant]

@@bobbinnie9872 Thank you Bob, can you please clarify that last part? So they will move nectar/ honey around to make room for the queen to lay, but they won't move honey to draw out foundation? Confused.

[@gayplamondon2665]

Bob, do you feed a mating nuc? Before putting the cell in? After you put the cell in? Or after the queen is mated? Or all three?

[@bobbinnie9872]

All of the above or or not at all depending on the need.

[@liamaiden2313]

Just had three queens delivered three weeks ago from a reputable seller and they cost a lot, all three hives attempting supersede 😕. Queen pattern looks good, (can only judge on a weeks worth of laying as they all took two weeks to lay,

[@bobbinnie9872]

Often the effort to supersede will subside after offspring from the queen you are introducing begin to hatch.

[@liamaiden2313]

@@bobbinnie9872 thank you Bob Binnie, nice to have some hope and reassurance as I haven’t experienced this with re-queening before. On the day of inspection I did remove those cells and I will continue to check to see how they respond. Your videos and education have always been an amazing resource to me 👍

[@brendaseo770]

Will a push in method work for a hive that has been queen less for a while?

[@bobbinnie9872]

Yes, if done as described here.

[@PutEmInTheBox]

Excellent bob. Question: I understand 292 directly switched. Say somebody from the next town over wanted to buy my queens. What period of time can safely elapse to do a direct release of a 21-28 day old mated queen? Assume they removed thier current queen at the same time.

[@bobbinnie9872]

. I don't know how long you can take. All instances that I know of were in the same apiary and were queens that had been laying awhile

[@PutEmInTheBox]

@@bobbinnie9872 thanks. I know overnight is too long. But there is still a big gap there. Hha

[@neilbush9873]

How soon do the bees kill a cell or a new vergin, im using cells in nucs and don't handle queens any more. Does transporting by road newly mated queens pose a risk to the young queen. I thought to move queenless bees to mating yards with ripe cells in them but am afraid the bees might chew down my nice cell. then I might move the nucs after hatching ,would they ball the vergin?

[@bobbinnie9872]

Hi Neil. I'm not sure how long it takes for bees to kill a cell or virgin. I'm sure it's variable. I have transported newly mated queens successfully I've also moved nucs with queen cells in them but it was always cells that they produced.

[@user-ub3fc4nr9e]

Bees, depending on the breed, feel orphanhood after 4 - 6 hours. A bee colony, in which the queen bee is changed, should not remain without her for a long time, since in the first two days after the selection of the queen bee, bees are likely to accept fetal queens.

[@PutEmInTheBox]

When banking queens, which style cage keeps them the safest from injury?

[@bobbinnie9872]

Cages with metal screen are the hardest on the queen's feet. I don't know of any that keep them 100% safe.

[@goldensilver793]

when banking queens, would a cage with holes big enough for the proboscis only reduce the injuries to the queens?...

[@bobbinnie9872]

Probably yes.

[@beebob1279]

The queens are timed so precisely that as soon as they lay an egg they’re pulled and caged. Queens need to mature.

[@dogalarclk1541]

👍

[@thehiveandthehoneybee9547]

nice!!! do you think the queens and packages from barnyard bees are good? i have so many questions thanks Mr Binnie!

[@bobbinnie9872]

They may be but I have not heard one way or another.

[@thehiveandthehoneybee9547]

@@bobbinnie9872 thanks for responding! ok then

[@russellkoopman3004]

There was a subscriber to another channel and they claimed Barnyard Bees that they had purchased had SHB and mites. But then again that maybe more common than one thinks. Good luck.

[@henrik5761]

@@russellkoopman3004 All bees have mites, some more, some less

[@thehiveandthehoneybee9547]

@@russellkoopman3004 I heard that too from some of my friends that's why I asked mr Binnie, but I guess it's ok then yes I heard about the shb coming with those packs too

[@patrickkostecka1016]

I was going to raise some queens in mini mating nucs. When conditions are right. Like you said most queen breeders harvest queens from them on day 14. How long do you think a queen can be in there before they swarm?

[@bobbinnie9872]

Not long in a mini nuc. You might consider getting something bigger if you're going to raise good queens.

[@patrickkostecka1016]

@@bobbinnie9872 thanks for advice. I appreciate the videos you produce.

[@noahriding5780]

Does the low queen acceptance rate for too freshly minted harvested queens also apply to virgins queens that you mate in your own hives (that were delivered) also?

[@bobbinnie9872]

I don't have a lot of experience moving virgins around but I heard that they are problematic too.

[@maribelherrera9568]

Help!! I'm new to beekeeping and 3 days ago I successfully transfer my colony of bees into a hive the only thing is I didn't realize the box that contains my qeen bee doesn't have a candy side so the workers cant eat through and set her free. Now the workers are beginning to make supersedure should I just skip the step in removing the cork replacing it with a marshmallows and just set the qeen free.

[@bobbinnie9872]

It's usually Ok to release the queen after three or four days.

[@kenthompson6539]

If they have eggs in order to make supersediure cells, you need to dastroy all Queen cells before letting them eat her out. They must have no way of making Queen ells. Joe may on KZbin is very good on this.

[@framcesmoore]

Ha Bob Outstanding video thanks for doing this I have lost a lot of packages for lack of queen acceptance.. To the point I just do not want to buy packages. any more splits are the way to go... Have i question when the man moved his hives to lose the field bees did he go back and get them or just let them die.. Thanks for the video u are great and I love your videos I have learned a lot from u thank u for helping me and every one else that watches them have a blessed week

[@bobbinnie9872]

He left a pallet of colonies to collect the field force and went back to pick it up later.

[@aymickey]

Bob, how long can I keep a hatched virgin Queen before I let her out to mating, I bought a 6 frame nuc last night and it had one Queen cell this morning it has 1 more, I have put the first one above a Queen excluder in an extra brood box and move the other Queen cell to the boiler room where she can stay at 93 degrees, I was also thinking maybe I should make some small nursery hives, only cause money is tight PS both Queen cells have now Queen protectors on

[@bobbinnie9872]

I believe most virgins can wait up to two weeks before mating if need be but they will need to be attended too by other bees in the meantime.

[@kathyhathaway8823]

The man you was talking about pulling his yard of bee in the middle of the day an moving them . On that box that he kept in the yard to catch the field force ( older bees ) what did he do with that hive of mean bees . Did he give them to his mean next door neighbor as a gift . LOL . Just joking but what did he do just keep them there or end up taking them to where he moved all the other Bees to . Thanks as always you do a great video . THANKS

[@bobbinnie9872]

He would attempt to requeen them later.

[@JosiahGarber]

How do you determine if a hive needs re-queened or if the patter is just poor due to mites?

[@bobbinnie9872]

If we're suspicious we'll do a mite wash and see for sure. Quite often if a colony is sick for any reason, even mites, we will re-queen.

[@JosiahGarber]

@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks bob that is helpful.

[@noahriding5780]

Great video. Thank you. However, the wording you used for the quote at 4 minutes in (4:00), is weird and confusing to people. It almost gives the effect of the opposite meaning. Your research is quite helpful and uplifting to the industry. Very positive. The factual data is immensely valuable.

[@bobbinnie9872]

Hi Noah. I checked at 4:00 and don't have a quote there. Could you check and let me know what and where you mean so I can possibly fix it before the video goes too far. Thank you.

[@bobbinnie9872]

Hi again. Ignore the last reply, I found what you mean. Thank you.

[@noahriding5780]

@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks so much Bob. Its fun learning from you.

[@shanerich2776]

Do u sell any queens early??

[@bobbinnie9872]

We do but we're all booked up.

[@verchellesadoo8334]

I believe tabor did this ( swap queens) as a swarm control measure..personal thought..wats your take

[@bobbinnie9872]

Steve told me about swapping mature queens to prove his point on acceptance but I never heard him talk about it for swarm control. Perhaps he wrote about it. I do know that if you could swap for a younger queen it would help.

[@verchellesadoo8334]

@@bobbinnie9872 definitely

[@HomeShowTV]

To two too

[@cluelessbeekeeping1322]

*too

[@richardkuhn4358]

Great concise info Thanks🙂🤡 BEE Safe😷 NE Fl. BEEK

[@mehmetbora1812]

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[@ryanwalsh3146]

Don't know if this is ok.... if it isn't I apologize...

[@honeydropfarm1605]

Do you know of any large queen producers on a 21 day cycle right now?

[@bobbinnie9872]

Indian Summer Honey Farm is on 24 days, Santa Fe Queens is on 21 and John Knox is on 28. I'm sure there's more.

[@honeydropfarm1605]

@@bobbinnie9872 Thank you sir.

[@AmbrosianBeeCo]

Zak Heintzleman in Hawaii is 21+ days

[@goldensilver793]

My problem was I had too good of a queen (really I had two queens: one in the cage and one in the package with the bees)...I'm a rookie and just went along dum dee dum dumb....by the time I realized it, I had released the caged queen and then discovered the other laying queen on the ground where my grandson discovered it after I absent mindedly brushed her off some wild comb...we put her back in...that was my introduction to beekeeping 100 not 101...haven't gotten to beekeeping 101 yet...It has been a series of "events" since then...through it all the bees are growin' like gang busters and I think I'm ready to put a honey super? on?...that's in beekeeping 101 right?....Help the bees - put a little homemade colloidal silver in the feed...

[@bobbinnie9872]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this but the learning never ends.

[@user-ub3fc4nr9e]

Under favorable conditions. The earlier the queen bee is fertilized, the better it will be. If the queen bee does not fertilize within 30 days, she loses the ability to fertilize and will lay only unfertilized eggs.

[@kabiranaji2154]

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[@andreik3315]

Hi, Bob. If you keep a queen in cage for 3 weeks, what will she eat?

[@bobbinnie9872]

They wouldn't survive in a cage that long without attendants.

[@andreik3315]

@@bobbinnie9872 Yes, where do they get food from inside the cage? That's the question.

[@bobbinnie9872]

@@andreik3315 There's candy in the cage for attendants to feed on.

[@andreik3315]

@@bobbinnie9872 Do you mean you put certain amount of candy in the cage together with the queen? Do you transfer candy from the shipping cage to the introduction cage? It is not clear from the video or description.

[@JosiahGarber]

@@andreik3315 If you are referring to how she is fed when under the push-in cage, usually there will be some nectar or honey under the push-in cage. I believe the bees will also feed her from outside the push-in cage once they've accepted her.

[@johnmorgan9435]

Bob, Br. Adams writing on queen rearing and nuclei are definitely worth paying attention to. However his belief that he created a new race of honey bee is bizarre, in view of the belief he practised.

[@bobbinnie9872]

It may be the way he defined it. Some people say the Russian bee is a race but it is not.

[@logancjames]

Which Oregon beekeeper

[@bobbinnie9872]

This was long ago and he has been dead a long time.

[@logancjames]

@@bobbinnie9872 may he rest in peace🙏 I found your video(s) very informative. I’m a new beekeeper that’s 19 years old and I learn something new everyday from your channel and I love it thank you! Your doing gods work! Love up here from Oregon

[@beebob1279]

@@logancjames I've kept bees for over twenty years. I watch Bob and only the other professional beekeepers on youtube. My advice is to stay away from the back yard beekeepers with minimal experience. Often their advice is poor because they lack the experience.

[@theodorejones6549]

Our queen supplier pulls their queens 21 days very few misses.

[@wishicouldspel]

As with all things in a discussion our terms here need to be clarified. When dating queens... .. As in 14 days. Is that from hatch, mating, first lay date , or what? Thanks..... FYI: We don't pick ours till the first brood is capped. Seems to help.. On many levels. Thanks.

[@bobbinnie9872]

14 days from insertion of a cell ready to hatch.

[@nickford5549]

You talk a lot about “1000$ breeder queens” do you find they are worth the money? Do they out preform your local mates?

[@bobbinnie9872]

They were worth it to instantly start adding genetics I couldn't get anywhere else.

[@neilbush9873]

In western aus) I found breeder queens at least doubled honey production