Queen Elizabeth's Strategic Power Play Begins | The Crown (Claire Foy)

[@gene7887]

Churchill's point about Philip's original name of "Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg" and adoptive name Mountbatten (from "Battenburg") falls flat when you recall "Windsor" was created solely to replace "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha." Which in turn replaced another German noble house on the British throne (Hanover). It's all made up, and none of it really matters.

[@SandmanGotBeer]

Back then it did because the mystery was still there among the general public to a large extent (it was only beginning to crack)

[@siamesevodka]

@@SandmanGotBeer Yeah, they explored those ideas a little further in S2 when they had Lord Altrincham convince the RF that they had to modernise.

[@SandmanGotBeer]

@@siamesevodka sure did

[@mnfrench7603]

Royalty, where everything is made up, and the points don’t matter.

[@gene7887]

@@mnfrench7603 was hoping someone would make this joke, and wasn't disappointed 🤣

[@rhondabitler5474]

Man the Queen being forceful with Bulldog Churchill. Amazing.

[@monmothma3358]

He ended up getting his way, though.

[@thelonewolf1894]

She has beautiful eyes

[@curtyeomans8446]

Someone should have said to Churchill “What if, when Charles becomes king, he wants to change the family/house name to Mountbatten,” and then pointed out that, given Elizabeth’s age, that Churchill would be long gone by the time Charles became king

[@ingvildrosa4892]

Smart!

[@faithlesshound5621]

None of them knew that by the time Charles became king, most couples no longer bothered to marry, many married women would not take their husbands' names and children's surnames were up for negotiation.

[@michaelplunkett8059]

Windsor had been her name since birth. Philip only became Mountbatten in 1947.

[@drutalero2962]

I thought that was his surname

[@missmack2328]

@@drutalero2962he’s german

[@here_we_go_again2571]

@@drutalero2962 Prince Philip's original surname: Glücksburg. His father was Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark (House of Schleswig- Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg) His mother was Princess Alice of Battenberg (a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria of the UK) In 1917 (during WW1) George V. signed a decree removing all: *Foreign surnames* "(House of ...") *Foreign "styles" (i.e. HRH, HSH, etc. -- His/Her Royal or Serene Highness, etc. That is the "style" of Prince or Princess given to the child or grandchild of a monarch *Foreign titles* and *Foreign (honorary) military ranks* The 1 royal and 2 noble houses in the UK that had German surnames were Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Teck and Battenberg. Saxe-Coburg and Gotha -- became --> " WINDSOR " Teck --became --> " CAMBRIDGE " Battenberg -- became--> " MOUNTBATTEN " All German (and other foreign) royals and nobles had their British surnames, styles, titles and honorary military ranks revoked. *Later, (1920's/1930's?)* George V. limited the HRH to only the children and grandchildren of the British monarch. When Elizabeth ii was Queen: Charles and Andrew requested the HRH for their children (i.e. William, Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie) Neither Princess Anne or Prince Edward requested that their children receive an HRH. So none of Anne's children or grandchildren have an HRH Ditto with Prince Edward's children (He does not have grandchildren --Yet) Queen Elizabeth made an exception with all of William's children so that they could receive the HRH. Normally the HRH would have stopped with William and Harry. It was not until Charles became king that Harry's putative children (if they exist at all?) received an HRH.

[@here_we_go_again2571]

@@missmack2328 Danish He's the son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark.

[@dvirbarbie]

When he continues after the infinite last name and says: "I am an old man," I laughed so hard 😂 Brilliant writing

[@cybersquire]

I’m sure a lot of Churchill’s reticence came from spending a lifetime fighting Germany. Like any older person, he was set in old patterns. Lord Mountbatten had given that name honor during WW2.

[@benm2370]

They can call themselves "tomato soup" if they wish - doesn't change who they are.

[@htimsid]

Or Banana-Hammock.

[@tarawrr20]

The issue of Clarence House should have been a nonissue.

[@michaelmontagu3979]

Absolutely agree with you. Most of the European monarchs live in a smaller residence and use the main Palace for state business. The private apartments of Buckingham Palace mostly face north which is never the best aspect.

[@RaymondHng]

@@michaelmontagu3979 Drottningholm Palace, located near Stockholm, Sweden, is the private residence of the Swedish royal family and a UNESCO World Heritage site. The palace itself covers an area of approximately 39,000 square meters (420,000 square feet).

[@michaelplunkett8059]

Clarence house became the dower house for the Queen mother and Margaret. He was right about the powerful symbolism of Buckingham palace and the monarch in residence centrality.

[@lucybraun8969]

The crown has to always win.

[@tomjordan1490]

Queen Elizabeth was always more than a match for all her PMs, lol

[@nomahope3182]

I doubt she was. This show makes her look like a bad ass, but I highly doubt she was.

[@missmack2328]

@@nomahope3182she was a queen for 70 years. It take badass dark wisdom to be a queen

[@claremontcowboy7409]

@@missmack2328 The 'badass dark wisdom' of being born into a role? Lol, grow up.

[@vanindallas]

She didn't prevail on either of these issues.

[@motherdear3733]

@@vanindallas She prevailed on the name.

[@global001]

It’s a silly scene as the Queen herself adoptive name is Windsor but her real name is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha of Germany & her predecessor Queen Victoria was the last monarch of Hanover dynasty, also German not British. She literally shared the same ancestors as Prince Philip. They took Windsor from the name of the castle & town.

[@williamhicken1206]

Buckingham Palace doesn't seem like a nice place to live. Clarence House looks lovely. The monarch should live where he or she pleases. The Queen might have gotten her way if it hadn't been for Queen Mary.

[@trellises]

Yeah? Then open up Buckingham Palace for UK's homeless and let the royal fa(rt)mily live in Clarence House

[@kim2894]

Charles did get his way somewhat, but its partly because Buckingham Palace is still under renovation

[@herondelatorre4023]

​@kim2894 But once the renovation on Buckingham Palace is completed will King Charles be asked by his government to move into the palace as his primary home. I ask because I've heard that the King personally dislike the palace as a home and would rather keep living in Clarence House as his primary residence and only use the palace for official business and other state occasions.

[@Sunshine-zm1fx]

Every monarch who has lived in Buckingham Palace has hated it. It's right in the middle of one of the busiest and most crowded cities in the world. @@herondelatorre4023

[@theretiredmariner2488]

Brilliant series, just watched it again

[@mikethespike7579]

I don't understand what Churchill's problem was. It wasn't as if the Queen wanted to take on Philip's original German name.

[@stevesteve8098]

Because during that time in Britain, it was all about appearances.... I visteded China recently & the little turd at the boarder got mad When I put "British" on my Nationality. He insisted I put Welsh, Scottish or English. I said, it said British on the front of the passport & that is what I was going to write... The world is full of petty little dictators like this, where such language seems to matter.

[@monmothma3358]

Anyone remember what changed, since she didn't end up getting her way in any of the two cases?

[@ritaroad]

I read once that the only true English royal was Diana Spencer whose family goes back hundreds of years.

[@urskaska]

Queen's mother was Scotish. Diana was descendat (illegitimte) of Charles II, another Scotish

[@ericcarlson3746]

I read once that Diana, Fergie and Cameron are descended from the bastard children of Charles II, James II and or William IV

[@twobearshomestead]

The Spencer's line goes all the way back to the Lancaster and York kings, and most definitely a Stuart. Interestingly, it crosses with a Churchill with the 3rd Earl Spencer marrying into the Churchill family. The Aristocrat Spencer's are very blue blooded. They are Earl Spencer. They are also Duke of Marlborough, Earl of Sunderland, and Barron Churchill. I think Grafton is in there, too. Diana was without a doubt chosen for her pedigree. It was going to be her, or her sister. Through Diana and Charles, her two sons a descendant of every single royal house since 1066. William and Harry are the most blue blooded princes in history. William will be the first with Stuart blood on the throne in 300 years. Fascinating.

[@stevebbuk9557]

@@twobearshomestead One point I would quibble with. If Lord Mountbatten's granddaughter, Amanda Knachtbull, had agreed to marry Charles, the Spencers would have been out of the picture.

[@twobearshomestead]

@stevebbuk9557 true point. However, I understand the queen wasn't thrilled with it, though. I don't believe it would have gone forward had Lord Mountbatten had not been assassinated. At that point, the Spencers were on the radar. We will never know of course, but I believe it worked out as it should have. Diana, for all the vortex of drama she brought with her, saved the monarchy by forcing the monarchy to adapt. Her star power forced change.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

So apparently they had no problem changing the royal family name from Norman to Angevin to Plantagenet to Lancaster to York to Tudor to Stuart to Orange to Hanover to Saxe-Coburg and then to Windsor.

[@siamesevodka]

You're betraying your ignorance. All but one of those are "name changes" because different families took the throne based on some previous ancestor being king. Only the last one - changing it to Windsor - was actually a namechange.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

@@siamesevodka exactly, the monarchy has had a single bloodline but because of common reasons, a family's name can change over generations as a result of princesses marrying into other families and an heir from those families assuming the throne when the name currently on the throne has no more heirs of their own. For example, say hypothetically if Edward VII had not abdicated till after QE2's marriage and George VI's death, then the house of Windsor would have ended with him, and QE2 would have been the next in line and the House of Mountbatten would then be the Royal Family's name. My overall point is that there was no established tradition or rule that said the Royal family always had to have the same name.

[@siamesevodka]

@@ReaverLordTonus No, you're quite wrong even there. Half the time the name has changed because of coups, civil wars, and invasions. I'm not sure about what happened before the Plantagenets but only Tudor-to-Stuart and Stuart-to-Hanover were peaceful (other than Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor, obviously), the rest were the result of conflict. The point I'm making here is that, yes, you're right that there is no established tradition that the RF needs to have the same name, but the evidence you're providing for it isn't very good.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

@@siamesevodka neither was Churchill's and yet he prevailed.

[@benm2370]

Churchill was a Spenser.

[@Devyn89]

Contrast that Charles getting on the throne with Liz Truss 😂

[@ursaltydog]

Never understood the sentiments towards Phillip, when he was a mere child, and adopted legally... Adopted children were by law to enjoy the same privileges and protections as that of natural born.

[@stephenwinter8892]

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[@amuletk]

I can't believe the queen ever thought to do this.

[@paulnegri4277]

Why so few lights in all the scenes??

[@procrastinator41]

The sets and locations represent enormous, old buildings that were designed to impress and intimidate visitors. They are grand but dark and chilly. Only fully heated and lit for official events.

[@richardlionheart3965]

The big light is feature of lower class homes

[@inigobantok1579]

The early two seasons and the last episode of season 6 are like this.

[@LarsPallesen]

Because it's not an American soap opera for day television.

[@stephanbruno7249]

How long do you think it took for Lithgow to remember to recite "Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg"?

[@nastasjakerkovic8939]

lost it when churchill started spitting out all those super german sounding names

[@MomMom4Cubs]

What got me is it was the only intelligible part of that sentence.

[@seannorton]

That voice sounds like John Lithgow. Who is the actor?

[@cynthiaalver]

You're right. It's John Lithgow.

[@TonyDucks89]

Many say that Elizabeth had a below average IQ. I don't know if that is true but she certainly seems to know how to handle herself.

[@kaviyaprabharan1832]

Anyways prince phillip adopted Mountbatten surname in 1947 and he is prince of German and denmark .mountbatten can never become any of queens children surname for sure . They are actually born to prince of German and denmark and queen elizabeth windsor .....

[@Peter-z9t]

Greece and Denmark, not German.

[@realshaho3180]

If Prince Philip’s REAL family name mattered so much, then so too should the Queen’s; Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. The logic here is on shaky ground. I do not see why at all this family couldn’t have been known as the House of MountBatten. It is not the surname or family name that matters, it is the character of those who bear it.

[@sherineill6630]

Good point. They also forget that Queen Alexandra was from Denmark, so QEII and the rest of the RF were of the same line. Ad that to the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and they just as German (if not more than Prince Philip.) But in reality Prince Philip had more royal blood than she did.

[@realshaho3180]

@@sherineill6630 Exactly! They are just as German if not more than Prince Philip. I think the true issue here was men who wanted power and influence over a new young Queen. Just as they did during Queen Victoria’s accession. As well as xenophobia. That’s a conversation no one seems to have.

[@odysseusrex5908]

She should have said something to the effect of, "You may inform Cabinet that, given the choice between being Queen Elizabeth II of Mountbatten and plan Mrs. Elizabeth Mountbatten, I will choose the latter. When you return, I shall have drawn up the Instrument of Abdication. I will sign it, or not."

[@KevinN-df8eo]

Quid pro quo.

[@CG_VON]

I have concerns for the crown of the UK.

[@Sunshine-zm1fx]

I'm not concerned. The unelected powerful people have no purpose in a free, democratic society. They are - by far - the royal family that costs their taxpayers the most money, and provide very little in return. Monarchy is an antiquated power structure and the sooner it's gone, the better.

[@grahamlait1969]

Great scene... Shame it's all nonsense.