'queerbaiting in real life', the outing of kit connor and monosexist madness

[@Ulriquinho]

As a (mostly) monosexual gay person, I am appalled by the treatment my fellow gays have given and continue to give bisexuals. Y’all are awesome and deserve support. And what happened to Kit Conner is not okay. I was outed when I was still confused by my own sexuality in high school. I got bullied as a result. Forcing someone to come out is definitely violence. Anyway, sending my love and support to all of you.

[@lyannastarkweather]

As a bisexual woman who has been in fandom spaces for over 10 years and who attributes part of my bi journey to those spaces, this situation absolutely hurt my heart. Heartstopper is a story of young people discovering who they are while finding love, support, and community as they do so. Kit Connor hit the nail on the head when he said that the people who harassed him missed the point of the show. They missed the point of Nick Nelson's character, especially. Even if he were straight, that would not detract from the care and the heart that Kit Connor put into that role. Heartstopper is one of the few pieces of media that I feel really highlights the nuances of discovering your own bisexuality. It very much mirrored my own experience coming to terms with it at 18. It frustrates me that monosexuals continue to think bisexuality is either fake or that it works like some sort of "on/off" switch for queerness. Being in a relationship with someone is not "picking a side." You are picking a person. Either way, people do not owe you their identity, no matter how famous they are. They should not have to explain why they are currently with a man or a woman or a non-binary person. They do not owe you a "coming out" moment. No one is entitled to that information. I wish Kit Connor the best. And I hope that all of the baby bisexuals who have been seeing this happen and have felt "less than" as a result know that they are valid and loved and that bisexuality is a beautiful thing.

[@cheerful_something_something]

THis is exactly what I think aobut the matter.

[@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz]

as a fellow bi person, we aren't gay enough for the gays and we aren't straight enough for the straights and they constantly make that known with their biphobia and bi erasure and I'm sick of it.

[@Hyzentley]

Yes right? That is possibly what hurts me the most, knowing that most people of either community do not want me

[@debirbking]

Wow I’ve said this exact thing about being bi before. It sucks to feel like you don’t have community anywhere

[@sadfaery]

Like Kit and Alice both said, the people pushing him to disclose his sexuality after he had already said, in no uncertain terms, that he did not want to label his sexuality, especially publicly, and at such a young age, clearly missed the entire freaking point of Heartstopper. We are not entitled to know the details of celebrities' personal lives, and they do not owe us a coming out, and certainly not before they're ready. Kit is 18 years old. He's basically still a child. Pushing any celebrity to come out is wrong. Forcing a kid that young is awful.

[@TheAzureSystem]

Yeah. Kit is very close to my age and being a lgbtq teen I feel so bad for him. No one deserves this.

[@angelaholmes8888]

You are so right it's nobody's business if a celebrity is queer or not

[@keltus_warrior6491]

As a gay man who "came out" in May 1968, I am angered by the arrogant, self-centered disregard shown to Connor. I believe this entire crusade is being pushed by gays; not straights. There is within the so-called "gay" (not so gay, actually) a toxic subset of self-indulgent, immature queers who feel so inadequate that they are willing to ruin someone else's life out of envy and a cruel need to identify with a celebrity -- who they then set out to do harm to.

[@cheerful_something_something]

Key element in heartstopper: Having control of when and how you come out is really important. "fans": 'you must be out now!'

[@keltus_warrior6491]

@@cheerful_something_something I return to my belief that those who insist on outing celebs have a strong sense of inadequacy of self. They must harm/hurt someone's career to validate their own queerness. They are shallow and thoughtless. They care not about the damage they cause. They are the real f*gs in every sense of that nasty word.

[@Hyzentley]

The one about the double closet (never heard that term, but it fits) hit me especially. Yeah, getting rejected by cishet people is hard already - but then getting rejected by queer people too, fitting to no group... that is just awful. "a lot of comming up is reduced to "are you gay or not?" and how do you answer that as bisexual" That was how I did straight up not knew for about six years that I was bi, even though I had first been attracted to a woman these six years ago. My parents taught me there were straight people and there were lesbians and they even mentioned trans people one - but I just did not knew that bisexuality exists. And I was obviously attracted to men, so I could not be a lesbian. So there was no other option than being straight. Even though I am attracted to women too. "because they are proof that gay people see bi people as heterosexual threats" this, so much this, but its impossible to talk about this, because then one gets accused of being lesbiphobic. Even if the real lesbiphobia is to think all lesbians have to be such bigoted, TERF-parroting jerks like the people who say stuff like that. I met several lesbians who are better than that. Its possible, so there are no excuses. Also thanks for admitting that this is an issue for bisexuals. So much coverage of this erases how this is specifically created by biphobia

[@potterhead394louise]

It’s funny but in my experience of interacting with both gay and straight people I’ve often been way more accepted and even celebrated for my bisexuality by straight people than I am by lesbian and gay. I call myself just “gay” in queer spaces because sometimes I just don’t want to deal with the disappointed looks and the questions of “but are you really?” Straight people have generally just accepted my sexuality and don’t pressure me to reveal my past relationships and sexual experiences to PROVE I’m bi. And it’s horrible cause I do find myself asking the same questions of people in the back of my mind when they come out to me as bi, internalized biphobia and all that. I agree with your point when you said we are our own separate thing, and we don’t fit into either category but we are so divided and afraid of being scrutinized we’ve been unable to form our own unique community that we can be respected for. Lots of thought provoking stuff here, a great video thank yo for making it

[@Hyzentley]

Same experience. Its so sad that "our" community is like this

[@ECSDaemon]

Even though we are considered part of the LGBTQ+ community, we are always just seen as "confused" or "faking." The LGBTQ+ may as well be the LGTQ+ instead for how many in the community treat busexual people.

[@saxviars9749]

Being an LGBT kid is rough, I could not imagine being one on a global scale. There are still reasons why I haven't come out to my family yet, and I am an adult. To be forced to do it on a global scale would be legit traumatizing. Also, I think it's funny how people were so desperate for receipts when he was found holding hands with a girl... despite the character being bi. People really need to unpack their biphobia and leave the him and other minors out of it.

[@crestflames492]

thank you so much for this. this brought up a lot of memories of me being harassed in middle school, before i even knew i was bisexual, by people wanting to know if i was a lesbian or not. i said no because i’m not, but people didn’t believe it. i realized i was bi around 14-15, but it’s been 10 years and im still not out to family yet, only my very closest friends. even though i feel confident in my sexuality, i don’t need the world telling me im mistaken or that bisexuality doesn’t exist. thank you for all you do for the bi community, you make me proud to be a bi woman and help me feel confident that i know myself and other people don’t get to tell me what my sexuality is. 💗💜💙

[@blackandwhitethinking]

❤️❤️❤️

[@davidcheater4239]

A correction; Joe Locke is an openly gay youth who had come out before being cast. The distinction is that Kit Conner had chosen to not come out as opposed to Joe Locke who had chosen to come out. Kit had a choice stolen from him. The problem with inauthenticity is a valid problem. ie when there's a movie/tv show that has only openly straight actors, with direction/production from only straight people behind the camera with stories about queer people written by straight people. For people who were calling Heartstopper 'queerbaiting' that doesn't apply - it has openly queer members of the cast, was written by an openly queer person, and the director was a gay man. That's before the issues of forcing actors to discuss their sexuality against their will. Trying to get someone fired over their percieved sexual orientation REALLY?!

[@KnightRaymund]

This

[@hinatahyuuga9182]

I myself invalidate my bisexuality so much I don't know what to do. It has gotten better recently tho. I really wish kit didn't have to go through this.

[@nonexistingvoid]

It's great knowing there's queer cast members in a queer story, but we aren't entitled to this knowledge. Also, outing someone who's still growing in this career can mean they'll be held back by queerphobic people in the field. They can be denied jobs they'd otherwise get without a problem, purely because a writer/producer/etc is queerphobic, or because a company is afraid they can't go global with a project if it's know that one of the actors is queer. Kit has just gotten started, is still building his fame, and is trying to work on a movie. And unlike with series, movies tend to orient globally, meaning they'd have to be appealing to countries with strict censoring laws that ban any displays of queerness. Being forced to come out at this point is a big risk for him and his career at this point. But most of all: we should never EVER assume people's sexuality. People often talk about Harry Styles "queerbaiting," assuming he's straight and cis, because he hasn't come out as anything. And I've noticed that it's hardly ever allo straight cis people who prefer "not to label" their sexuality. Meaning there's a high chance he's some flavour of queer, but doesn't want to tell the world because it's none of out business. And by queer, I include every part of the community, not just gay, bi, and trans, but also aro, ace, and others that are often forgotten about or erased from the conversation. For all we know, Harry's actually just a straight, cis, aromantic guy, for example (hypothetical, so please don't bother him to "confirm") Or maybe he's on the nonbinary plane somewhere, but so close to "man" that he doesn't feel the need to come out. And what if he is a binary cis, straight, allo guy? He hasn't ever done any harm to the community, and has shown so much support for us. He hasn't claimed a spot in the community. So why does it matter if we don't know? Are we the ones in a relationship with him? No! And no fan of his will ever stand a chance! So it does not matter!

[@bellamiche2230]

This situation upsets me to no end. Being part of the Bi community myself, it is difficult to fit in. I’m either not gay enough or not straight enough… and at some point I question why have have to be either of those things and not just me, and accepted for just me regardless of my sexuality. I’m a huge fan of Heartstopper and was so excited to see a show like this. The actors real sexual orientation never crossed my mind… I appreciated that they were able to bring these queer characters to life. So for Kit Connor feeling like he was forced to come out because of all this is so sad… his real life has nothing to do with the show, and he should never have felt the need to do that. He did an amazing job brining Nick Nelson to life. He’s an amazing actor, and people need to separate his real life and the characters he plays.

[@palaksharma1777]

I've known that I am bisexual since I was 7-8 years old, although I discovered the term for it midway through my teens; I've been always comfortable about that fact. But now in my mid 20s, as someone who's actively a part of my local queer community, my discomfort with telling people I'm bi has grown. Monosexual people flippantly saying 'oh yeah I first came out as bi too' or 'you mean you're pan right?' is so invalidating. It doesn't help that my internalized biphobia keeps having me question whether maybe I'm a lesbian. I just tell people I'm gay/queer. It fucking sucks that we still have to deal with this shit, especially from people in the community. I see myself in Nick Nelson and Kit Connor.

[@Primordial_Synapse]

13:42 - 13:47 What you said here applies to people in general. If it seems like others are making you jump through hoops in order for you to enjoy the "privilege" of being in their presence or they constantly make excuses as to why they can't meet up with you, then they're not really your friends. I guess it's more polite than telling you in no uncertain terms that they hate you but it still stings. I don't get how it's so complicated for some people to grasp that what two (or more) people decide to do in the privacy of their own bedroom is no one else's business but their own (provided no one is being harmed, of course).

[@Jonty_Burrow]

I am the same, I forced myself into one box to be “normal” but then learned about bisexual and Pansexual people

[@ksstwiggs6746]

this channel has helped me be affirmed and secure in my sexuality after so many years of wrestling against the truth of my identity, desperate to belong to a community. i viewed my bisexuality as an unstable and confused state-like it was harassing me away from accepting that i was either straight or gay. it made me feel helpless with myself, and it didn’t help that biphobia is normalized and enabled in both the cis-heterosexual and lgbt+ community. one day, i told myself i was bisexual and then unfortunately came across the masterdoc (which fortunately made a video on addressing the problematic nature of it!) and it led me down the unhealthy, internalized biphobic spiral all over again. i am proud, secure and at peace with my bisexuality because of you. you have made so many important videos that help people have access to education on bisexuality and biphobia in very powerful and tangible ways. thank you for your impact on the world. for closeted and out bisexual people struggling to have access to safety and community. and constantly reminding bisexuals how beautiful our existence, history, culture, and contributions are to the world. you are more than amazing and important for bisexual people, mage. may you move through life with resilience, vulnerability, passion and drive no matter what.

[@blackandwhitethinking]

thank you for this comment, angel!! its really special and i will treasure it forever ❤️

[@Liluchipuchi]

Being bi myself, I looked around the heartstopper fandom before any of this happened, back when the show first came out, and the biphobia was already so fucking rampant. People constantly saying that bisexuals only watched the show because they liked "the pretty little gay boys" (again, erasing the fact that one of them is literally bisexual, speaking of the characters here). I decided not to be involved with it after seeing that because literally no one outside of other bi people would try to say anything against that. Just by Kit's comments alone before this shit hit the fan, it was obvious that he was very much stating that he is queer but didn't want to use any specific label publicly because he wasn't comfortable, but the hate would not stop. And you're right, the hate and harrassment came mostly from monosexual queer people. I saw so many lesbians and gay men calling him a queerbaiter whenever he'd interact with a woman in any capacity... I was really hoping he'd deactivate his twitter, but I had already stepped away from the fandom ages ago because it was way too toxic in the worst ways. I really wish this hadn't happened. All it did was confirm why I feel so uncomfortable myself within the community. Especially seeing that the people that did this to him not only do not regret it but they're celebrating it.

[@keltus_warrior6491]

OK. I have watched a variety of postings on this subject. I am an aging "Boomer", turned 78 this last June. I "came out" in May 1968 with my first partner. I was heavily involved with gay rights orgs in the 80s. Columns in small gay rags in the early 90s. The pressure being applied to Kit Connor is disgraceful, disgusting and vile. Such antics among gays underscores just how selfish, self-centered and SHALLOW many gays are. Frankly, "Scarlett", I do not give a damn. Not one about Kit's sexual orientation. Why shouldn't a straight man have a role in a gay film? Why shouldn't a gay man perform straight roles as was done by Rock Hudson, Montgomery Clift and many others? The insideous lack of respect, decency and dignity among too many gays is precisely why so many gays are hated; even by other gays.

[@Dee-pv8cy]

The big issue, I think is that the homophobia in Hollywood means that openly gay actors don’t get cast as leading men. To fight this, the community has decided to insist that gay characters get cast with gay actors, which is so backwards. We should be fighting for more openly gay actors to be cast as leading men.

[@keltus_warrior6491]

@@Dee-pv8cy The obsession over a celeb's sexuality and private life is damaging to both the celeb and society at large. It is unhealthy. The stigma associated with being gay has reduced somewhat over the last several decades, but that stigma is still there.

[@Dee-pv8cy]

I mean, yes. I would agree that it really doesn’t and shouldn’t matter what your sexuality is. What I’m saying though is that it does, because we live in a homophobic society. Openly gay actors almost never get cast as leading men. That needs to change. Rock Hudson got cast by staying very firmly in the closet. The obsession over actors private lives is weird and wrong, but the way to get the change moving in the right direction is to push for actors who have chosen to come out to be cast in straight roles.

[@matthewkopp2391]

I am not as old as you, but in the 1960‘s the gay and bisexual men and women who were visible public figures were astoundingly articulate thoughtful people, not perfect, but were IMO an intelligentsia James Baldwin, Allen Ginsberg, Paul Goodman, Julian Beck, Gore Vidal, Truman Capote, Susan Sontag, Susie Bright, etc. What happened from 1970 onwards was popular culture generally valued the most shallow and narcissistic. And this was often even more so for LGBT. There was a preference for shallow stereotypes rather than critics of US war, imperialism, sexism, abuse, education, etc. So I often blame popular media giving the most shallow a voice. The crappy role models rose to the top rather than threats to the establishment.

[@keltus_warrior6491]

@@matthewkopp2391 Your points are well stated. My frustration is with the more vocal elements within LGBTQ+ culture that seem to indulge more in tantrum-throwing than being constructive. I am so pleased with the amount of gay-positive films that are now common fare. We should celebrate those extraordinary gains in film and theater.

[@milenathomaz5448]

I agree totally with what was said in the video. When I found out that he had "come out", instead of being proud or happy foi him, I felt really sad; the way they forced him was so awful and unnecessary! Like, Did they ever watched the show??? I'm a teen bisexual, and I know how frustating is coming out as bi, mainly in my age, even close friends don't believe in your "queerness" or just think is a phase and you probably will come out as gay someday. I can't imagine how much worse it has been in world scale for Kit. I'm really sorry for him.

[@angelaholmes8888]

I really feel sorry for kit he didn't deserve to be harrassed about his sexuality especially since he's still a kid for some people it takes years for them to realize there own sexuality growing up I was harrassed at times about my sexuality by kids in school and by my own father it wasn't until I was an adult did a discovered that I am a bisexual nobody deserves to be forced to come out

[@thegabrielhyde]

(Just a note that Joe Locke's been out since the show came out)

[@lowkeyproductions6681]

Yeah, that’s a really important detail that changes the entire situation tbh. Joe and several other castmates were out and indicated they wanted to take on those queer role model roles. Instead of celebrating that, people claiming they wanted “representation” went after the lead that wanted to keep his sexuality private. At that point it’s not about accurate representation or even protecting those roles for queer actors. It’s just gatekeeping and nosiness.

[@troyconnolly9053]

I think I just got my self an education from some one very well spoken and able to explain the facts perfectly . Can not argue with anything being said . Well done .

[@djpekky]

Thank you, THANK YOU so much for this video! I had been looking forward to hear your perspective as you have verbalise most of the same opinions I have (and in this video, 100% of your points!).

[@LivaJulani]

I'm a 48 year old bi Person and I'm still confused. Your video makes me feel so sad that I could cry, but I won't, because I'm also that angry! I know I'm bi since I was twelve and I'm ok with this (because I like myself) , but I never, through all these years felt that I belong to the Community. I didn't even know that bi people are part of the queer community itself!! I went to one (!) pride in the city I'm living in, because I can be seen as heterosexuell. Gay and lesbian and also heterosexual people let me know that my so called "sexuality" doesn't really count. They let me know that I can't get enough and that this is the reason why I am still alone. I don't deserve it better. Since a very short time I'm fiting for my place in the Community, wich is really hard for me, but I don't want to stop doing this. I am queer and thats why I'm part of the Community!! I'm still watching supernatural and this is kind of masochistic I think. I'm watching this show and I love the queer characters inside because I feel connected, especially with Dean, because he is bi, but I feel so pitty for him. It reflects me and all the things I don't have and never had and this is hurting me so much. Recentley I watched Heartstopper and I love this show. To see children supporting each other no matter what identity they have, to see friendship in any condition, adults being so helpfull and understanding to these young people makes me feel so good. This show is so important!! It gives me hope that one day young queer people of all identities could grew up free! What happened to Kid Connor is extremley harsh and absolutely not fair! Kid supposed to come out the exact time he wanted to come out. What happend to him is a cruel example of bi-erasure. These people who forced him to come out really missed the point of the show. Shame on them!!

[@tinybox-septiceye2949]

dean isn’t bi ????

[@ECSDaemon]

Sadly, I've long since decided to distance myself from the proper LGBTQ+ community as a whole. I'm about to turn 40 in less than a half a year and bisexual. I've only come out to those i have felt comfortable doing so with, the hardest of them was my mom. She was a devout Catholic, so I was worried how she would respond, thankfully she was entirely accepting of my sexuality. From my experience, I've found heterosexuals more accepting of my bisexuality than I have ever seen from gay men or lesbians. This has been the primary driving force in why I distanced myself from the larger LGBTQ+ communtiy. The idea that we are just confused or that we're faking to be acceptes into the queer community is so disgusting. I've never replied to those who question me about being really bisexual because I dont need to validate their narrow viewpoint, now I'm starting to think I should throw their own questions back at them. I know I'm vindictive in this new mentality, but I'm done seeing other bisexual people get treated like they're not part of a community that literally has their sexuality listed in the terms for it's acronym. I want those bisexual people who are younger than me, like Kit, to no longer have to live in a world where their sexuality is second guessed by members of the same queer community that brandishes our sexuality as part of their community.

[@adiksaff]

9:21 - PREACH HONEY! I once contemplated coming out after Heartstopper... But now with what's happened with Kit... I think I'll take a lot more time... Thank you for talking about this... T=

[@TubezThe1]

I really tell people that I'm pansexual and just say that I like what I like, but still get stupid responses from people saying I'm gay or asking if I'm gay, which is ironic considering that's the entire point I came up with that short two sentence explanation in the first place. When you're attraction is to more than one of the person's brain seem to just malfunction because they can't do math and understand how one can be attracted to more than just one kind of person. Getting stupid accusations like greedy and faking, like bro. Wasn't it called the free love movement? Why are so many of y'all being so damn close-minded?

[@sophiasamsungamundry5558]

That's one of the points where I have to honestly say that many don't understand or don't want to understand something like that. Putting people under pressure like that to come out, especially celebs or even very young actors aged many who are watching is one of the most brutal ways of betraying someone in any way or being open about the show. People are being deprived of the right to decide for themselves if they really want to do it and if they think it's right. Especially with Kit's Outing you can tell that he wasn't ready to come out. And blaming someone for things just because you're walking hand in hand with someone of the opposite sex is too quick to judge without knowing anything. That doesn't work at all! They don't even think about the fact that that doesn't have to mean anything and that spending sls better is the very last thing there can be. Everyone has the right to be able to live openly without being directly condemned for any reason. If Kit had felt it necessary to come out, he might have eventually done so without feeling bad 😢.

[@Pudddle]

Just leaving a comment to make the youtube gods happy 💖💜💙

[@stankssmile5865]

I am a huge fan of this thai actor who did a gay drama and then got harassed in the same manner and he replied in an angry manner that he isn't gay, his career had a huge backlash because of that, trust me kit handled it well by playing it down like a boring threat (mentioning "bye" in post). My favourite actor just couldn't handle it because Thai gay drama industry was kinda new that time and he was (in his time) justified in saying he was flummoxed, unlike how this harassment is treated as an obvious side effect now. Kit did really well, let's make this whole thing as non agrandising as well, time this down yet stay focussed on how wrong this is.

[@MusicalIrishgrl]

I'm a fan of Thai BLs and am really curious who you are talking about. If you're comfortable could you please tell me?

[@MusicalIrishgrl]

@@stankssmile5865 I had a feeling you meant Krist just wasn't 100%.

[@cheerful_something_something]

I think this is part of our tendancy to dehumanise actors/people "in the public eye" we don't seperate fictional characters from stories from the real, living, breathing humans who portray them for us. Don't out children. Don't push personal topics, especially not with children. If a stranger at a bus stop isn't required to share that kind of detail with you, neither is an actor. You would think that people who claim to enjoy heartstopper might have noticed the themes around coming out, and how important it is to have angency in your outing. All of my love to Kit and the cast. They have handled this with tremendous dignity. but they shouldn't have to, and we have failed to protect them from this harm. For that I am sorry.

[@doojazz]

Thanks for this! Really comprehensive and concise. I think no one from the Heartstopper team knew that this show was gonna blow up like it did and appeal to so many different age groups and kinds of people. For me it is really a turning point in queer representation. I feel for Kit because I have the feeling he is collateral damage from the fact that it was announced and consistently repeated that the casting for Heartstopper was authentic and that that was a strong goal for the production. With most of the other cast members being openly out about their sexuality, that put Kit in a hard place. Don't get me wrong, I am not at all condoning what was done to him. I had my own questions about the situation but would NEVER have resorted to the kind of behavior I witnessed towards Kit. What a lot of people didn't realise is they were asking Kit to be a bi Icon or ambassador and that is not something you can ask of or force on an actor playing a role, especially not one who is 18 and has already declared he prefers to remain unlabelled. He has his own journey to consider. I am also someone that hates all the labelling and have always though I know it is quite important for many people. I refused labels when I first realised I was queer in some way and got so much pressure from my gay friends that I was trying to deny my sexuality or trying to be heteronormative because the things I wanted for my life were dissimilar to what the bulk of gay people I knew saw as the right kind of gay behavior. I ended up in primarily male with male longterm relationships so the moniker gay was applied and I didn't fight it but was never sure I felt represented by that word and never really embraced by the "community". Though I hate what has been done to Kit I also respect him for how he has dealt with it and I think the discussions springing from this injustice are important as are so many of the topics you touch in this video, particularly bi phobia and forced outing. Heck when I was a teenager Act up was making a habit of militantly outing celebrities to force more representation so at least that can show us that we have come some part of the way by now being clear that is not something we should do to anyone. . I have so many thoughts about this but will leave it here . Thanks for your video. dh

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

outing someone is never ok

[@Usselton]

So sorry kit

[@bre4827]

You said this so well

[@Usselton]

So Sorry Kit Connor

[@learleanatrimmer2892]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@janasoskova007]

Hello, fellow bi woman here. I really like your video. Just subscribed. :)

[@lee-dowen]

Well done.

[@mayaenglish5424]

Yeah, they're Actors. It's ACTING, this whole obsession about categorizing people and _Only_ people who fall into the same exact box as the thing in the film/show can portray it is the most ridiculous nonsense and I hope people get over it soon. Do people not get what A C T I N G is? AND you're forcing people to talk openly about and define their love life to qualify for a job! Such toxic bullshit. (The only people who make a decent point are the disabled community, who are like, hey maybe give the wheelchair jobs to people who are in wheelchairs and can't NOT be in wheelchairs, makes sense to me lol).

[@mayaenglish5424]

7:33 Actually to be fair to Misha Collins that is just his personality and sense of humor, If you watch him talk to people he's very funny and down to earth and talks to people like people and I'm kind of surprised that hasn't gotten him in trouble before with out of context quotes that are talking to a smaller group of people but "oops oh yeah I'm famous and people are filming." He's always been very supportive of the LGBTQ+ community from what I've seen so it wouldn't shock me one bit if he was joking around with some gay fans and something was misinterpreted or he misspoke. But yeah Supernatural's queerbaiting is a sight to behold, though again in defense of Misha Collins, He _Also_ shipped Destiel like the rest of us lol. The writers are the villains in that tale.

[@ArtsofZhen]

Sigh

[@seto749]

Absolutely Mr Connor should not have been outed; no question. Bi youth and young adults definitely have their own specific needs and problems, which should be addressed in a bicentric way. In a good world, were there ever a pill to change sexuality, I would hope not only that nobody would want to take such a pill but that nobody would want anyone else to take one's own pill. While some misguided Ls and Gs do consider Bs as "really straight" what did happen after the "community" became LGB was that your team brought many of your partners who were really straight into homonormative spaces, and some of them tried to take over. You should absolutely have binormative spaces, but no space can be both binormative and homonormative. The superiour attitude definitely goes both ways, as this presentation manifests. I've never felt bi enough for your spaces or to be in largely bisexual company (the most common thing I heard when I was socially active was that gays "hadn't evolved enough"), but I've always just assumed that there's no reason I should feel welcome there or want to.