Quentin Smith - Fallacies in Arguing for God?

Believers in God should be appalled when poor arguments are offered to 'prove' the existence of God. These arguments can be so bad that one might think the proponents are really atheists in disguise.
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[@frrascon]

RIP Quentin Smith. Atheist philosophy has lost one of its most brilliant defenders.

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Covid strikes again

[@logans.butler285]

I honestly don' think there has ever been, or whether there will ever be, a more brilliant defender of atheism in philosophy than Graham Oppy.

[@bloodknight6142]

@@logans.butler285 Jordan Howard Sobel apparently was one. William Lane Craig called his book, Logic and Theism, an acid bath for Theism.

[@setokaiba914]

@@logans.butler285. Sobel is up there.

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@slapmeisterrecords8226 Did the Corvids really get him. He looks too young.

[@markcampbell8068]

I have viewed an enormous number of these videos, I have have been fascinated by them all. So much knowledge shared by very capable minds. I have to say, Professor Smith here , failed to deliver any thing coherent. I wonder if even he thought he made any sense.

[@MrSouthstlouis]

Does anyone know how he died? I can't seem to find his cause of death anywhere.

[@SeanMauer]

1) I think the disembodied mind concept of God is not justifiable from a biblical point of view, so I would not accept this as grounds for argument. 2) Arguing that God can't bring about the universe, doesn't work. 3) I agree, God can not be without physical existence. 4) the argument of infinite regress does not work in our present-only time dimension, because you need an eternal present to resolve the regress.

[@BugRib]

Dramatkic zoom-in at the end makes this video worth it.

[@AAA9549-w7w]

3-To express God or consciousness, free-will. Therefore, Zen would not be useful. Not Buddhism, not Judaism, not Christianity, nor Islam. Neither science, nor ordinary philosophy, nor math. Metaphysician

[@AAA9549-w7w]

2- Why the recording of his voice is out of mixing board? There was no personal microphone!?

[@mdbosley]

infinite regress is also beyond conception.

[@brudno1333]

So, I guess he's saying that in order for the omnipotence of god to be realized, he must first have a universe in which to be omnipotent. Because the universe had to exist before god could claim omnipotence, god could not have created the universe, it had to precede him.

[@ManjuSubin]

Ignosticism is the best philosophical justification that anyone can have for atheism.

[@HardKore5250]

Trump should hire this guy to show there is no god and calm people fear of hell.

[@jloren4647]

Yes. The kalaam, if wholly accepted only arrives that the universe had a cause.

[@mdbosley]

The tao that can be understood is not the great tao. The god that can be conceived is not the real god.

[@klivebretznev2624]

Concept of a disembodied mind is inconceivable. Like those words.

[@HardKore5250]

This guy would. Ceam wlc

[@theophilus749]

If Quentin Smith was familiar with some of the arguments one finds in the great tradition of Christian teaching (such as is found in Aquinas) he would realise that God is not posited as a cause in the same sense as natural causes are causes. He would also realise that 'first cause' does not necessarily mean an initial cause _in_ time. Moreover, it is simply not true that "virtually every person who says they believe in God [is] using a word that means something different to each person". There are indeed different traditions but, within Christianity at any rate, they are not that numerous and tend to fall into overall groups. Atheists, too, when they say "there is no God" have some conception of what it is they are rejecting. If they didn't then their atheism would be meaningless. Smith also just boldly asserts that the concept of a disembodied mind (no that this is what God is according to the great tradition that I mention) is inconceivable. But why is it? He offers no arguments. And why should not a _whole_ have an explanation? Again Smith does not present a case. Altogether, Smith is long on assertion and short on argument.

[@brudno1333]

"Atheists, too, when they say "there is no God"" No! Atheists don't claim there is no god, they say that theists have not provided sufficient proof for them to accept the belief in the existence of a god. If there was proof, they'd no longer be atheists.

[@rationalsceptic7634]

He is an Emeritus Professor of Philosophy Idiot..there is no evidence for Gods..just Faith,Apologetics and Fallacies

[@theophilus749]

Sceptical Scientist I am more aware of Smith’s well deserved eminence but it doesn’t mean he cannot be mistaken. He is a modern philosopher who shows he has little grasp of older traditions of philosophical thought. The trouble is that it is just those traditions that one finds in the better areas of Christian theology.

[@rationalsceptic7634]

Theo Philus Really? : rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas medium.com/@jakubferencik/arguments-for-gods-existence-debunked-cb656189653e The Bible Against Itself Why the Bible Seems to Contradict Itself www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0965504751/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_BIbLEbSAFM6G6 Gospel Fictions www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002I61F3A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_kqeLEbS5CHP40 Who Wrote the Gospels? www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0965504727/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DqeLEbR5V1G4F www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13752

[@BradHolkesvig]

Psalm 33 8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him! 9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** At this moment, you're sarcasm is blatant.

[@uzairsaqib9298]

He has no idea what he is talking about , this only happens when you try to explain spiritual things which are beyond physical study. We all should wait to die and then everything will be clear but by then it will be too late.

[@jloren4647]

Well, you are literally positing that god doesn't EXIST. Thats more than the average atheist would be comfy with.

[@jaimel2037]

that was intense! ..ask him which came first!...The.....😜

[@rationalsceptic7634]

marty themole "Which came first" is a temporal fallacy

[@BradHolkesvig]

This fool doesn't know that I've been used by our Creator to testify to His knowledge and have learned exactly how we were created.

[@claudiaquat]

+Brad Holkesvig You are the only one who know that.

[@BradHolkesvig]

claudiaquat I have met thousands of our Creator's chosen believers here in Campbell, CA. They love to hear from their Creator and thank me for sharing His voice with them. Check out my website where all the messages are posted that I used to find His chosen believers. godsmessages.wordpress.com/ I have also met several believers who use the internet forums and watch videos like this.

[@claudiaquat]

Brad Holkesvig I'll pass.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** Our Creator used computing technology that is much more advanced than anything He taught us to use in his created simulation program called Eternal Life. He spoke his program into existence with his voice. He had me use Google to look for computer programmers who are using voice recognition software to speak code into to build computer programs. This is how our Creator created His program but his technology is much better than what we're using, particularly his computing language which can create more detail in his program than the simple binary code of 0's and 1's we use in building computer programs. This is how He's able to build a consciousness for each created being who makes that being self aware. Scientists are more confused then ever since they discovered quantum mechanics. Most of them have trouble fitting consciousness into their quantum theories. However, everything we experience came from God's simulation program called Eternal Life.

[@BradHolkesvig]

***** I have all kinds of proof that our Creator had me testify to His knowledge but you still have to be chosen to believe the proof. Belief is a very powerful thing in our world because all our experiences are subjective. There is no proof that we're living in a computer simulation but that's exactly what is going on.

[@newweddingsong3027]

Enroll this childish man in a Philosophy 101 course.

[@rationalsceptic7634]

newwedding song He is an Emeritus Professor of Philosophy, idiot

[@xxxYYZxxx]

The notion of "cause" is just that, a "notion". It's entirely arbitrary which event is deemed a "cause". Did the rain cause the snow to melt? Why not the clouds? What about higher barometric pressure? Any or all of these can be considered the "cause" of the snow melt, but only arbitration (volition) chooses one or the other "cause" as the "real" cause, meaning that apart from volition (karma) determining causes, no causes exist.