William Lane Craig - Did God Create Time?

[@RichLuciano1]

This should be called: How William Lane Craig would review Avengers Endgame

[@BobbyValenzuela]

Craig is brilliant, such an elite and unique philosopher.

[@JonnyCook]

He's definitely pretty sharp. Too bad he's wrong.

[@BobbyValenzuela]

+Jonny Cook excellent argument, can't argue with those premises

[@JonnyCook]

What's premises? I didn't state any premises. I just presented my conclusion.

[@BobbyValenzuela]

Jonny Cook exactly

[@JonnyCook]

Bobby Valenzuela Ahh, sarcasm. Nice.

[@SebastianLundh1988]

This reminds me of what some people who've had NDEs say: they say that everything is happening at the same time.

[@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns]

Except the NDEs involve sequences; one experience happens before another(different) experience, or one relative is met *before* a different relative etc. NDErs usually (understandably!) lack the right vocabulary to describe their otherworldly experiences. I wouldn’t infer too much philosophy from them though.

[@atheistcomments]

WLC speaking straight from the land of make-believe. He also thinks his god character talks to people . Master word salads chef.

[@justinwhite368]

Photons create the kind of linear time that we experience as human beings. But that is not the only kind or quality of time. One could say God exists in eternity which is a timeless time or a time within time. Eternity would seem to be physically real given the phenomena of quantum entanglement. Check out John G Bennett's Dramatic Universe.

[@withoutlimits16]

Thinking about Dr. Manhattan and how he sees time

[@odiupickusclone-1526]

This is why people say philosophy is a merry chase...

[@bobs4429]

Darn!! Dr. Craig blithely zooms right by the most important aspect of this video -- how the "A" theory and special relativity can be compatible. I would like to believe that he can explain that in a way other than his Christian worldview and it's God-colored glasses ...

[@henryfirus6856]

Time is the will of God in creation, time space is the mind of God in creation

[@marydamians4586]

How would he explain that people agree about historical events having happened when they did?

[@Papasquatch73]

First of all the way quantum physics works is not common sense to classical physics. So to say the B theory of time doesn’t fit our normal experience is not a defeated. Secondly the B theory of time is most easily understood in my mind as a movie reel. It has pictures that when they’re playing it looks like movement in time but in reality it is fixed pictures

[@jameswiliams]

God, Creation and Time Stay with me please. Imagine your self laying in your bed “lights out”, holding a tennis ball on the side of the bed. The dark room resembles the void before creation, and the tennis ball a single molecule of matter. Raise the tennis ball (matter) in the air (void). You have just created space, the space that the tennis ball is in. By creating a single molecule of matter we can see how God simultaneously created space! Imagining now that we could be present (observers) this first part of creation; (matter/space) we can immediately scientifically establish that the existence of TIME (the ability to measure time) is not possible under these conditions. The measuring of the time needed for our ball to revolve once around its axis is impossible to establish because of the lack of a reference point. At this particular phase of creation speed or movement is also none existent for they are both also impossible to measure. God creates Time the moment a second molecule of matter is introduced in the space created by the first molecule. The 2 molecules now have a “reference relationship” that allows the measurement not only of time but of speed. We were able to “see”, how God created Space then time, by creating 2 molecules of Matter. We have also seen why Time, cannot exist in the absence of 2 molecules or less of matter. This characterizes time as passive (submissive), something that comes into being in the presence of matter alone. TIME was born (creador God) along with the creration of mater (no big bang) TIME accompanies events while they are in progress (expansion of universe) TIME will stop… when material events stop taking place (Our Lords Second Coming) as an eye widness of the presence ofLaw in the harmonius development of the universe that allwas the condinuess life of all tht he has creaded …till the end of TIME when the universe STOPS TO EXIST…when He (the Creator God Logos) ordains it so! (Apocalypses 20:11) “Earth and Heaven fled from His presence and where seen no more” Our God Creador: [Revelation 21:6] “Lord Jesus Christ is the ALPHA and the OMEGA, the CAUSE of the CREATIONAL BEGINNING, the CAUSATION OF CREATION, the SUPREME and UPMOST PURPOSE FOR ALL CREATIONS GOD IS LIGHT AND THE SAINTS IN THE HOLY SPIRIT BECOME LIGHT The Image and Likeness of God kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6uspXmEpcmhjLs “Back in the future” in theaters near you only !

[@sleimanelcham8319]

wow you have it correct but can you explain if the universe is eternal (b theory of time ) can be created by god because im strugling on that point

[@jameswiliams]

@@sleimanelcham8319 Dear Mr Sleiman What concerns those who believe in God is the fact that we ourselves as God’s creations were created to live eternally. The universe is only a "trial" place! Adam and Eve were created immortal and upon their exit from Paradise they were given leather tunics (mortal bodies) in order to be able to live on their own and in the absence of God! [Genesis 3:21] : 'Also for Adam and his wife the LORD God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.'. As they were leaving Paradise, the Grace off God that was doing everything for them was replaced with the gift of logic (science). As Adam and Eve died in exile, their hearts left their bodies behind (their leather tunics) and proceeded to Hades a waiting place for all souls. This way their immorality was not taken away! When speaking about the HEART, (soul) as meant in the Gospels we are speaking of a Person [1 Peter 3:4] “But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price” The heart is the person that represents each and every one the moment of death when the body is left behind and the soul exits the body. This is the heart/soul upon which Lord Jesus will restore man “to body and soul” again at His Second Coming according to each person deeds. [Galatians 6:7-8] “7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. The Heart www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Ftachyon%2F2013%2F04%2Fsoul-weight-21-grams.jpg%3Fresize%3D865%2C452&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Ffact-check%2Fweight-of-the-soul%2F&docid=64cX1PA2mpiX_M&tbnid=OpTtCK4AzBC0jM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiKm4OZrJ_iAhUx4aYKHcWdCTkQMwhVKCIwIg..i&w=865&h=452&safe=strict&bih=625&biw=1366&q=heart%20soul%20person%20leaving%20the%20body%20at%20death&ved=0ahUKEwiKm4OZrJ_iAhUx4aYKHcWdCTkQMwhVKCIwIg&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=452&imgdii=OpTtCK4AzBC0jM:&vet=10ahUKEwiKm4OZrJ_iAhUx4aYKHcWdCTkQMwhVKCIwIg..i&w=865 To summarize, Time was born upon the appearance of the material universe when Adm and Eve were required to live away from God with leather tunics (mortal bodies) *TIME was born along with the appearance of mater (big bang) as a consequence of the appearance of the material world because of Adams and Eve’s sins. *TIME accompanies events while they are in progress (expansion of universe) *TIME as we know it in our material world will stop, when no more events are taking place and this is an event that will take place the moment of His Second Coming! [Revalation 20:11] “Earth and Heaven fled from His presence and where seen no more” In [Revalation 21:1] we are also informed : “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The first heaven and the first earth disappeared, and the sea vanished” The purpose of the godlike beings is one: to become gradually perfect as God the Father to become "a god by Grace" , to attain Theosis, Deification, Christificication , Trinification. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXXWlJqcm657gJY God bless

[@sleimanelcham8319]

@@jameswiliams thank you

[@jameswiliams]

@@sleimanelcham8319 Thank you and God bless

[@Papasquatch73]

@@jameswiliams I don’t believe Adam and Eve were created immortal at all. I believe they were mortal beings that had access to a super tree called the tree at life which rejuvenated them perfectly and they would have lived forever if they continue to have access to the tree.

[@captainandthelady]

Time is a human construct as is god. If there is no man there is no god and then there is no need for time.

[@captainandthelady]

+Chris Topher This goes back to the old question "If a branch falls in the woods and no body is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Or one might say " If there is nobody to look at a watch or calendar, is there time? The answer for both questions is "yes'. I said "...there is no 'need' for time.", I didn't say there was no time. Events will proceed from past, to present, to future just like it always has going back to the "big bang". Some scientist will say that there was no time before that event but who knows. Certainly not me.

[@itsnoteasy5339]

Time is linear time may only exist in a 3rd dimensional state where as in the 4th dimension one could look down and see all events collapsed down into one way function, we base time on our existence here but time doesn't actually exists the only thing that exists is birth then death and all the things and events you do in between life and death so basically its just one event but we see it as all different random events a new day because of a new sun rise and because we require sleep we think it's a new time but it's all collapsed down into one outcome from cradle to the grave.

[@catherinemira75]

It seems like the two theories of Einstein's theory of relativity and Quantum Mechanics where it is almost impossible to understand where the reconciliation of the two theories can be unified. It means that we are trapped by reality and consciousness.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

To me: "Space" is pure energy; "Time" is the flow of that energy.

[@andyisdead]

What is pure energy?

[@kefrenferrer6777]

What is flow?

[@charlesbrightman4237]

@@andyisdead The 'gem' photon, or so I currently believe. I have a gravity test to prove or disprove that portion of the TOE idea, just currently not the necessary resources to do the test. (Copy and paste from my files): Revised TOE: 3/25/2017a. My Current TOE: THE SETUP: 1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism. 2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.). 3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them. 4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them. 5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them. FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO: 6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field. 7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field. 8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality. 9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons. 10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary. 11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks. 12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do. THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA: 13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc. 14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe. 15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe. 16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate. 17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure. 18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons). THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY: 19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up. 20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency. 21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies. NOTES: 22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other. 23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other. 24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well. 25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true. 26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught? DISCLAIMER: 27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty. Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way. a. Imagine a 12 hour clock. b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions. c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions. (The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.) d. Shoot a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields. e. Do this with the em fields on and off. (The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results.) f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects. (Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.) (And note: if done right, it's possible a mini gravitational black hole might form. Be ready for it. In addition, it's possible a neutrino might be formed before the black hole stage, the neutrino being a substance with a very high gravitational modality with very low 'em' modalities.) (An alternative to the above would be to shoot 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space.) 'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done. 'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. Science still wins either way and moves forward.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

@@kefrenferrer6777 An 'absolute somethingness' at point 'A' in space, moving to point 'B' in space. 'Space' being energy itself, the 'gem' photon. FOR ME: 'Space' is energy itself. Wherever space is, energy is. Wherever energy is, space is. They are one and the same thing. And for me, the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe. 'Time' is the flow of energy. 'Time' (flow of energy) cannot exist unless 'space' (energy itself) exists. And 'space' (energy itself) that does not flow (no flow of time / energy) is basically useless. An entity cannot even think a thought without a flow of energy. If all the energy in the universe stopped flowing, wouldn't we say that 'time stood still'? Time itself would still exist, it would just not be flowing, (basically 'time' stopped). But then also, how space and time are linked in what is called 'space time', (energy and it's flow).

[@stchew49]

TIme created God!

[@kmonsense8716]

God didn't create time. Time results from the spontaneous symmetry breaking that occur in the immaterial realm. God lives in eternity, which projection into the material universe gives birth to time as we know and measure it. The dynamic perception of time is only possible in this material universe because of space; in the immaterial realm, all past, present, and future collapse into one instant called eternity.

[@mosog8829]

Time is mysterious. But God is by far more mysterious. Before God created time, there was only eternity. I believe God created time to keep things in check. So for example evil cannot occur forever, because there is a time when God will end all evil.

[@xtaticsr2041]

Not true if eternal Hell is real.

[@Papasquatch73]

@@xtaticsr2041 I believe you two are saying two different things. He’s saying God will end all evil. He could mean an end to all evil actions being taken. And you’re saying hell that’s eternal punishment for the evil actions already taken whatever hell looks like

[@xtaticsr2041]

@@Papasquatch73 It is still evil persisting for eternity even though separated which doesn't make much sense for omnibenelovent God.

[@kefrenferrer6777]

Time is just duration, there is not past, present or future. Time is an invented variable to compare things as units. There won't be travels to past or future there isn't sense in that.

[@mileslegend7140]

no... time is a measure of the change we observe. As long as states change, there is a past, present, and future.

[@BradHolkesvig]

Time, space, matter, gravity, etc. are all illusions that God created by using His voice to speak them into a simulation program that us characters experience. We're actually experiencing motion one picture at a time. This is why we believe time is something real and that light moves.

[@kadourimdou43]

Just check out how Sean Carroll destroys all of WLG arguments,he is simply a God of the Gaps person.

[@5tonyvvvv]

There's no way to ever prove infinite universes you delusional moron.. they will always be unobserved and untestable

[@mouradelam]

@@5tonyvvvv wait do you mean that anyone who believes in an unobserved and untestable entity is a delusional moron?

[@travellingmac2177]

The guys are talking about theories of time but you bring God to the table. Anything to comment on time?

[@tomashull9805]

Not a stupid guy WLC but confused (or accepted by the democratic Christianity) the nature of Jesus as God...The confusion of God in time automatically followed...

[@markemerson98]

time is a side effect of space - humans created the construct of time based on context and environment. here's and idea: maybe God just planted the seed and what we know as the universe is just cause and effect coming together....

[@JAYDUBYAH29]

Better: did Santa create snow?!

[@scabw]

+Julian Walker You may not believe in a god, but I don't think that means you have to make fun of those who do. Being kind includes not ridiculing people who are different from you.

[@SecretEyeSpot]

scabw the tenability of an idea is determined by its ability to retain it's logic when reductio ad absurdum (reduced to the absurd)

[@scabw]

***** I don't think that's the issue here.

[@SecretEyeSpot]

scabw it's precisely the issue.. you're just too emotional to see it.. Santa is Comparable to God in this statement in his relationship to snow, as God would be to time... Because the underlying question is.. how could a being precede the environment in which it is brought into being?.. (like the season of Christmas brings Santa into being, Time must likewise precede any being whatsoever)

[@scabw]

***** Santa is an imaginary figure living presumably at the North Pole and who brings Christmas presents. It's a story you tell your children because it's cute (I believe, the story has its origins in a church figure who helped the poor). God, however, is the ground of all being, the cause of everything that began to exist. By saying God is like Santa the original poster, I think, simply wanted to belittle the concept of god, and those who believe in it. He wanted to say that God is something you tell your children because it's cute, but that God is really only an imaginary figure. You, however, seem to say that the underlying question is how a being could create the environment that brought it into being. You claim the season of Christmas brought Santa into being. You, furthermore, say that time must precede any being whatsoever. I presume you think that time has to have been there before God's existence. But I don't see why that must be so. Couldn't God for example have existed in a timeless state before the decision to create time? Is that logically impossible?

[@_a.z]

Wrong person to ask!