Quest Pro review: stay out of the Metaverse

The Meta Quest Pro is a business-oriented virtual reality headset with face tracking and passthrough mixed reality, designed to kickstart Meta's Metaverse vision. But with clunky software and limited applications for its big new features, it doesn't capture the Quest 2's magic. #questpro #meta #vr
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0:00 Intro
0:39 State of Meta
1:22 What is Quest Pro?
1:42 Quest Pro Specs & Controllers
2:13 Headset hardware and accessories (wings & mask)
2:50 What’s new? Cameras, color passthrough, face tracking
3:58 Eye tracking, foveated rendering, MR
4:42 Meta Workrooms
6:56 Meta Horizon Worlds
9:12 Chat with Adi Robertson, Alex Heath and Nilay Patel
11:32 Quest Pro hardware (comfort, battery life, screen)
12:30 Conclusion
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[@TheVerge]

Will legs save the Metaverse?

Better devices will

[@bustabenson]

Seeing people's leg's whilst you talk to them is not a killer app....especially if you're stuck in a wall

[@GodMcQueen]

🤣

[@impendio]

No

[@realityos]

I'd rather have no legs in the real world than forced to be with legs in the Metaverse.

[@Crushenator500]

The most important line 'I can't imagine ever making a serious business decision in this software'.

[@pedroewert143]

yeah with their minecraft-angle they totally miss what people would love about it. people who want multiple virtual monitors already said they love it (but meta doesnt put a focus on that). or with their virtual meeting the get so fixated on mimic-tracking and cartoon characters instead of removing the characters and keeping the 3d space - so in a teams meeting when i make a presenation i could pull up all kind of resources and people could look at them in 3d at their own pace.

[@rjcc]

@@pedroewert143 who said that they love using it and use it regularly? Drop me a link.

[@galacticwarlock2271]

Rec Room is 1,000 times better than this and it is free.

[@mihirrajrajmihir]

Thats what they said for internet but now people even buying cars online without even looking at it!

[@dodgingcars]

@@mihirrajrajmihir First of all, I don't recall such skepticism of the internet, which I've been using since 1994. Second, they didn't say they couldn't imagine using VR to make serious business decisions. They said they couldn't imagine using THIS PRODUCT/SERVICE to do so. Very different.

[@imperialexecutioner]

Ooph. This is brutal. Thank you Verge for powering through this on our behalf. Appreciate the perseverance.

[@hunterkudo9832]

I actually would love one. I have some creative ideas I want to do with it.

[@daveinpublic]

I enjoy the brutal review. I’m so glad journalists don’t feel threatened by Facebook’s power to the point where they have to censor themselves.

[@BitsBytesBobs]

I have to just say. This is the funniest review of the Quest Pro I've seen. Rightly laughing at how ridiculous some of the user experiences are in real-time. Gold.

Zuck: the max they can say is that they didn't like it... The Verge:

[@candbotchan257]

The Verge: “Screw this” in 30 languages

[@justind8055]

Nilay just losing it with laughter is pure gold.

[@hestonroberts1954]

“The software version of hell” 😂😂😂 Quote of the year!!

[@fredwerza3478]

LOL that cracked me up too 😂

[@TianZhaoHeavenlyFortune]

As a digital product designer myself I’m appalled at the user experience of this.

[@burnttoastbrain]

As someone who active chooses applications based on user experience. I’m appalled by this product

[@MiltonGeorges]

Well the good news is, it only cost $10B and 11k employees.

[@daveinpublic]

I’m a designer and I couldn’t believe some of the easy misses. I used our Facebook business page the other day, that webpage reminds me of this. Very hard to use, buggy, massive issues with UI, searching for the right button for 30 min, not able to find it again, and pages are so slow it takes forever.

[@RubmaLione]

My biggest issues with this are the price, screen resolution, and marketing. First of all, the Quest 2 is only $400 and has a majority of the features of the Quest Pro, which is over $1k more. Second, why does the significantly cheaper Quest 2 have a higher res display? Finally, it’s obvious Workrooms VR is still in its infancy and the hardware just isn’t powerful enough to support higher quality graphics yet. They should have marketed this as a developer device to test and create new experiences and saved the rest for the Quest 3. I don’t think this will be ready for normal professional use for a few years, and even then, the hardware will need to be much lighter and smaller.

[@drmikehuntphd7905]

It doesn't have a higher res display, and it lacks the processing power to run it at native. It's like running 720p on a 1080p screen Vs native 1080. Do some research before spewing your ill-informed opinions.

[@shadaoshai]

@@drmikehuntphd7905 The Quest Pro has at best the same resolution as a VR headset that could be bought on sale for $250 a year ago. The Pico 4 has a higher resolution and pancake lenses like the Quest Pro for $400. The original rumors were that the Quest Pro was going to have 2160x2160 pixels per eye but they cut that as well as the depth sensor that was going to make the passthrough experience so much more stable and usable than it ended up being in the final product. The Quest 3 will launch in 11 months with a much more powerful SOC, higher resolution displays, and replaceable head strap for likely $400. At that point the Quest Pro will look like an overpriced joke. This product is very confusing. Meta is acting like they have no competition in the VR space when Pico is aggressively targeting lower price points and Apple will be launching with a much more polished headset next year.

[@drmikehuntphd7905]

@@shadaoshai There's no way you thought I'd read any of that post. I guarantee I already know everything in it and that it's irrelevant to my point.

[@P__114]

@@drmikehuntphd7905 you’re not a doctor, are you?

[@RogerEssigArtist]

Quest 2 is a single panel. Quest Pro is a higher perceived resolution as there is more pixels seen compared to Quest 2

[@benmoorhouse88]

Excellent video. I've watched the funniest moments three or four times already. This looks truly horrible. I'd love to experience it, for about fifteen minutes.

[@RNCHFND]

It is hilarious, though

[@fredwerza3478]

You can get a live demo inside certain Best Buys --- it will convince you not to buy it LOL

[@fredhandfield]

It's really amazing and works very well. She has an incredible amount of issues I don't know how she manages it. It's like she tried to make stuff work the worst possible and then made a montage of all the times it failed. Face tracking works extremely well and hand tracking works MUCH better than they make it out to be. They are probably using it in the dark or something. I do agree with her that there's work to do before they get to their final vision but it's obvious that it's a work in progress and it's expected. When they presented their vision a year ago they said it would take 10 years.

[@candbotchan257]

@@fredhandfield wouldn’t surprise me that they used a very select group of people for testing and you coincidentally fit into that group while most people in the Verge don’t. It’s hard to make something this personal one-size-fits-all, and I can’t imagine this problem being solved within 5 years. Which does make me think it shouldn’t be released to consumers and enterprise as a device for work.

[@ASLUHLUHCE]

The cinematography of this video was particularly beautiful

[@PHlophe]

Mo Reza, wallah ! it gave me ideas

[@chrisjung5952]

I think Zuck’s vision for the future of VR is correct, but the software and hardware needed to realize that vision is still at least 5-10 years away. Eventually the tech will get to the point where it is seemless, comfortable, and compelling. It just isn’t there yet. I think the wise strategy would be to continue to iterate on the software and hardware while making the needed improvements in the technology and let adoption take place naturally over time. Right now the killer app is in gaming, and if that were more robustly supported then the industry would grow faster in that dimension for now. Zuck is just overanxious and thinks the kind of wild success he had with Facebook can be duplicated if enough money is thrown at the problem. In the business world simulation and design are still the best use cases for VR. The “holodeck” kind of experience needed to make VR the go to for communications and collaboration isn’t any where near what it needs to be for adoption in that sphere. I bought one of the meta quest pro headsets and returned it after only a few hours of use simply because it caused discomfort on my forehead. I’ve owned the Rift, Rift-S, Quest, Quest 2, HTC Vive, Valve Index, and the HP Reverb G2, and I’ve never had a headset that caused me the pain the Meta Quest Pro did. It makes me wonder how the headset managed to get through the development process. It seems like Meta just wanted to be the first through the gate and in the process allowed too many design flaws and shortcomings. It is too bad, because I’m one of the few actually rooting for Zuck. When this technology reaches its potential it really will be world changing. I just hope people don’t sour on all of VR because of this botched launch. Time will tell.

[@scifi_shop]

It's a stepping stone. This is the best we got atm

[@glenncanning8189]

I desperately hope that you're wrong. This 'VR for everything' vision is tantamount to a post-apocalyptic hellscape as far as I'm concerned- and I'm by no means tech-phobic. Beyond the awful implications of spending so much of our time collectively inside a video game, the idea of one corporation owning & operating literally everything we see & do should terrify everyone.

[@MrLasditude]

I'm pretty skeptical. The 5-10 year timeline has been repeated since Rift DK2. The most telling thing is that it has already been that long since Beat Saber and no one has even managed to make a better VR game. I have no idea how VR would become all-compassing even in 20 years as it seems that the software and games have been treading water and there hasn't really been any major innovations or improvements since the early Vive era.

[@CrazyAboutVinylRecords]

@@MrLasditude Beat Saber came out in 2019. Have you been hiding in a cave since then?

[@MrLasditude]

​@@CrazyAboutVinylRecords Early Access in November 2018, so yeah, I guess a bit more than 4 years. Even with that it has kept the spot for "Best VR game" for about half of the time mainstream VR headsets have existed, which is not a very promising sign for innovation and progress on an emerging platform.

[@pnwmeditations]

Good lord, what was Meta thinking, launching *that bad* of an early metaverse environment. Feels like they really poisoned the well for a long time.

[@rogermoreno1152]

Yep. Zuck should have just invested more into Facebook, because that’s their biggest and most successful platform

[@jonathanscott7412]

@@rogermoreno1152 nah, vr is a great investment. Though, their decision making is really bad in a lot of places.

[@justdrewit2219]

@@jonathanscott7412 Yes, agreed. Also, I cannot fathom why they thought professionals would somehow want to conduct serious business in a Wii cartoon form

[@daveinpublic]

@@jonathanscott7412 I see why they invested in VR, but it’s all wasted money. I dont seem them racing to the next platform, I see them racing away from it. Windows already tried VR, meta is not first to anything here. Apple tried it too, just didn’t release anything because they saw the same issues Facebook could have.

[@jonathanscott7412]

@@daveinpublic apple is coming with a new headset soon

[@BitsBytesBobs]

I had one and sent it back. Wanted to use it for both personal gaming and work from home. The crux of it came, that I was trying to make the Quest Pro work for me, rather than the Quest Pro working for me.

[@scifi_shop]

How was it for gaming

[@DragongeekAndCo]

Lol, I wouldn't say Adi looks "sleepy", "stoned out of her mind" seems more apt. For what is supposed to be a "business experience" this is truly embarrassing, and makes me think Meta is "sleepy"

[@121476]

0:14 Expectations vs 0:23 reality. That’s why this will fail

[@fuddyduddy]

The problem is Reality vs Cartoon...., imo. I have a quest 2. But i don't use it to meet guys.

[@scifi_shop]

It's a stepping stone. It's also the best tech we got atm

[@JoshsBookishVoyage]

Finally a review that reviews the _product_ and not the _idea._

[@reckless1280]

I feel like every reviewer has to re-learn this lesson every few years!

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[@seangelarden8753]

When has living in a fantasy world ever turned out well?

[@lamentedZebra]

Incredible video. Seeing this on screen brought home just how much work remains for this theoretical metaverse vision. But damn if it wasn’t entertaining to watch. Great work to the Verge team as always!

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[@RetroGamerTy]

Thank you for the insightful review. I just can't get my head around how this is supposed to be useful for anyone, especially for anything work-related when I think they're trying to compete with meeting platforms like Zoom, FaceTime, Teams, and Google Hangouts. VR is interesting but I can't see myself using it for longer than 15 minutes.

[@KlutchAndJerel]

Have you ever tried one?

[@zuraizzafar362]

while I do think there's still a long way to go, when one of the people in the video is explaining the story of finding kids stuck in a wall, you can see how the interaction feels natural in a way, I want to say more so than a video

[@CalienteFrijoles]

Despite the bugs and poor reviews though, so many kids want/have these VR headsets now that it’s hard to say with precision that Meta fumbled the execution. They already managed to capture the next generation of consumers, and that could mean in 10-12 years the metaverse has a much bigger role in work and play. Certainly boomers gave traditional computers a lot of hate back in the day but look at the workspace now.

[@moswanedev]

The adults hate it. But the kids love it. This is the way of technological progress. Fast-forward 10 years, we'll be asking the kids how to login into the metaverse. I am super excited about the progress that they have made here. The video sh*ts on it, but as a techie, I loved seeing it.

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[@goinginzane]

Man it's honestly hilarious a company as big and focused on the metaverde as Meta is shipping something like this. It really shows that the vision is realistically 10+ years out. Zucc is gonna burn all of FB's money on this, and by the time he realizes it won't be a reality nobody will be using FB anymore. I really feel bad for all meta employees and investors, my only piece of advice is to gtfo ASAP

[@Christian-ry3ol]

That's how i know you are not an engieneer. Real engineers ships early products in order to start the feedback loop. All of this is free feedback meta is using and building better and better.

[@ac1dflare937]

@@Christian-ry3ol unfortunately they are engineering a problem rather than a solution. VR is not for everyone as humans get motion sick, unless you can fix that it's a dead end in terms of everyday use and that's ignoring every other issue.

[@Christian-ry3ol]

@@ac1dflare937 motion sickness comes from early tech. With this kind of thinking we would have ever gotten to the car, and stuck at horses.

[@geniusgeneral02]

@@Christian-ry3ol you can’t even compare the two

[@flongobongo]

@@ac1dflare937 So by your logic, cars, buses, planes and boats should all be discarded because all that causes motion sickness. Talking seriously, there’s a lot of ways to avoid the motion sickness in vr. But that has nothing to do with the fact that Meta Metaverse is looking bad

[@mfaani]

I think partially it's because a lot of software engineers know very little of Game Development, 3D rendering, 3D design etc. Like we just know about object oriented programming, making network calls, creating lists, etc. But I think Meta, isn't entirely stupid. They'll get this somewhere, but will have to reduce some extravagant spending.

[@fredwerza3478]

I'm surprised how many software engineers are so clueless about what a good user experience is supposed to be 😂

[@egglyph]

@@fredwerza3478 'cos that's a separate filed they weren't trained in?

[@mfaani]

@@fredwerza3478 It's not that they don't know. It's just that the task at hand is something super complex. Involves a lot of rich visualizations, animation, ergonomics, anthropomorphization. A programmer will only deliver what's asked. In the world of programming, you deliver your 'Minimal Viable Product' with the bare minimums. Meta probably doesn't have goals for having a high quality visualization. Perhaps they're more focused on a narration/story and product features. AR world will be in its MVP phase for at least another 3 yrs in my opinion. After that, graphics will get better imo

[@impendio]

I honestly wonder a couple of things, 1) why didn’t zucc just bought VR chat instead of trying to rip it off from scratch? 2) how does horizon worlds look worse than games from 15 years ago? Like, how can a game studio make a _way_ better looking, and less buggy, world for 10~100 times less money? Are the engineers at meta really just _that_ incompetente? How can anyone sit through 5 minutes of this and think it is an acceptable product?

[@madisonsal9148]

I think Zuckerberg just wanted to turn Facebook into a game studio, and they failed... Miserably...

[@TheBrianCalhoun]

Have you never used VR Chat? Horizons is a placeholder.

[@devon9374]

Throwing money at any problem never EVER works

[@scifi_shop]

Vrchat is like myspace, chaotic. Zuc working towards something refined like Facebook

[@magellan124]

I think the crazy thing is that Apple probably spends less but not an insignificant amount of capital on their own AR/VR lab. The fact that these companies can poor so much into products with no product market fit just astound me. There is a lesson in our economy's capital allocation there somewhere.

[@dmsacola7057]

That's what they said about the internet.

[@magellan124]

@@dmsacola7057 name 2 companies who had their own internets in the pre internet era

[@dmsacola7057]

@@magellan124 I was implying the technology.

[@Thezuule1]

@@magellan124 the internet evolved out of many little internets and unique TCP/IP based services though so that's not really a great question. The issue is these companies are trying to create an entirely new market for an entirely new product. There is going to be some level of ramming a square peg into the hole to see if it fits.

[@S1rrus]

Nice review. I wonder what's Apple magic gap will be to be confident to release something *more expensive* and not fail as badly as this. We all know that Apple wouldn't have released this if it was their product. If they succeed, books will be written on the difference between the two.

[@ghmasterjj]

Yeah I know companies flop sometimes, apple included- but it’s interesting to see Facebook set the bar so low for “professional” vr. All apple has to do is have the software work, and they’re fairly competent at user interfaces

[@soberanisfam1323]

It's $3,499 😂😂

[@jkhauge]

I don’t love the cartoon aesthetic for workrooms. It seems like it’s good in a games setting but maybe Meta could make the workrooms feel a little different than Wii world. I don’t have any VR, but the only things I currently want it for is watching movies and reading books. I love listening to audiobooks and reading at the same time, and the idea that I could do that in a giant black bubble with only the text in front of me sounds weirdly awesome.

[@sergiosaunier]

You read the book and listen to its audiobook version at the same time? If so, care to elaborate on the experience? I'm curious.

[@kcovert3]

Have to do the headset adjustment to not look sleepy.

[@Frank-cw2xy]

I don’t think I could even try to refrain from laughing when I am talking to a co-worker with no legs.

[@AndersonChan]

It’s appalling how independent game developers do a better job than meta. To meta’s credit, the hardware seems cool

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[@kylenewton6274]

This was such a great video! Loved it. Well done

[@pwelele]

Nice honest review, thank you for your sacrifice

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[@Chris_Hruska]

n64 graphics right there... what are they thinking?????

[@fxgo4552]

Hey now, Goldeneye had better graphics than this fiasco! 😂

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[@mehrlean]

The lighting and B-Roll in this Video are just amazing! Very fun to watch!

[@dtrjones]

I like the direction the Quest Pro is going in. I did consider buying it for work and play, I'm a software developer and you can never have enough realestate (screens) but the hardware and software are playing a game of catchup with the user experience that will never win. The Quest 3 is likely to be a much more desirable business headset than the Quest Pro will ever be. Folks say it's a devkit and they are brutally correct. I'm not even sure the Quest Pro 2 + software will be 'ready', it may take a few more generations for this to be workable to anybody but the absolute hardcore creators and businesses in VR.

[@jay_ds4800]

If VR is gonna be a success, it’ll be built on gaming first. And not just beat saber, half-life alyx and PSVR2 are the potential

[@SilverEye91]

I agree. At least if it's going to be the type of success Meta wants it to be. They'll still have their place in industries, but those will be much more expensive products and not at all geared to a mass market success.

[@hypnotico7051]

I really hope Sony has a killer, must have game planned for PSVR2. Otherwise I don’t see many people buying it.

[@SilverEye91]

@@hypnotico7051 The hardware itself seems amazing. As for software though? I wouldn't really bet on it. Sony has a reputation for this sort of thing, launch a great product but then don't support or market it properly. I hope I'm wrong though. But as of now people seem to think the best thing coming to it will be a port of Alyx. Sure, I think it's the best VR game ever made, but it needs more than a 3 year old game.

[@fredwerza3478]

We'll have to see if the upcoming Apple VR is focused on games or useless apps like meetings

[@shanjcosplay7376]

I think one of the most ironic things about the Quest devices is the devices are pretty great, but the software is horrific. There are so many other pieces of VR software that work so much better.

[@7jers3y22]

We need more of this!

[@adamalmqvist1789]

It's of course in different brackets of technology with different goals set up for it. But will be interesting to see the Playstation VR2 impressions. To see how it is to use, fit, screens and all included.

[@ploppyploppy]

It's good really that Suckerberk made the quest a no-go. Gives other headsets a chance to improve with some funding.

[@AttackStart]

I can’t wait for Aaron Sorkin’s sequel to The Social Network. This part is gonna be lit 🔥.

[@Savage_D_777]

screened only inside the metaverse.

[@MartinCharles]

Where in the box are these light blockers? I dont think mine came with thses

[@Nathan-jq2xh]

During the pandemic I had a Quest 1 and I played Rec Room almost every day. Whatever "the metaverse" is, Rec Room is doing it likely way better than whatever Facebook/Meta is doing right now. I played Rec Room's laser tag game while wearing a heavy backpack and that was my exercise, but the engine is quite versatile; there are so many different rooms and potential applications for what it's doing. It feels like Facebook/Meta is Michael Jordan trying to play baseball. It has done really well in one sport, but that success doesn't necessarily mean success in other areas.

[@P__114]

Yup. They should have bought Rec Room when they bought Oculus.

[@LukeFletcher01]

Meta doing VR is like Jordan playing baseball. Quote of the day!

[@ydavid6046]

Short meta is only thing I learned after watching this video

[@isaiahharris4429]

This is classic watching old people work technology. Half the time “how do I do anything, so unintuitive”. And then blame it on the tech haha. Those kids were literally sprinting up and down hills while you figure out how to open the menu.

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[@bennyfactor]

This was a great and thorough review although at the same time it could have just been the clip at 0:30 of Nilay and Adi expressing their frustration and I think we'd probably know all we need to about this headset.

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[@VREmirate]

Just review the Quest Pro. Parts about Horizon Worlds are funny but it does look like a deliberate "top fails" montage.

[@reckless1280]

This is like saying “just review the iPhone and not iOS” - Horizon is the app this thing is built to run!

[@Salikaan]

How the hell was this put out at 1499$ no less. What a mess. Love the review and discussion on the Podcast.

[@RogerEssigArtist]

It's the best all-round device on the planet. It's a Standalone, face/eye/hand tracked, stereo-accurate Mixed Reality device that is also a premium Wireless PCVR device. With self-tracked controllers. Nothing comes close. Name one if you can think of one.

[@scifi_shop]

@@RogerEssigArtist yup, it's a stepping stone. The best we got atm

[@inspiradorupees3029]

@@RogerEssigArtist and it has 1-2 hr battery life for $1500 🙄🙄🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@halcyonramirez6469]

@Roger Essig all of that means nothing if you can't wear it long enough to be productive. Comfort is key for these headsets if they want it to be adopted by the masses.

[@dvngnt]

cool red jacket

[@TheVerge]

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[@JamesRoyceDawson]

It’s shocking they released in this state. Seems desperate since their stocks been dropping

[@dsholt]

That Meta is sending this out for review is just more proof that some people are incapable of feeling embarrassment.

[@Krupeshk]

Brilliant review verge team, hilarious actually. But honestly this reminds me of tech that is supposed to be the next big thing. Tesla, FSD. It’s taken Tesla a while to get there but I am a really impressed with where it is today. And a lot of the company’s success comes down to bold bets like this one. I have a feeling that Zuck and team have yet to reveal deep neural networks and AI that will come together to stitch up the user experience better. Showing this flawed version now is a good thing that helps them prioritize the basics clearly.

[@TheCentristChad]

Mark has shown how important the role of CEO is by doing the worst job at it. I hope the workers find better jobs 😔

[@user-it5py2bc7r]

i hope to use magnatic glove in future

[@Deebofreebo]

Can’t wait until these things are 80% off.

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[@CorporalDanLives]

"This is worth negative ten billion dollars"

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[@TheTenaciousDog]

3:49 the laugh 😂😂😂

[@AlexPrevost]

Friday’s Vergecast episode was pretty damning. Definitely a complimentary listen to this video.

[@panashifzco3311]

The virtual reality workspace is a lot messier than i've ever imagined it would be.

[@tubeliac]

I am probably horribly wrong here but this all sounds like the telepresence robots on segways debacle all over again. Don’t get me wrong, remote operation using additional hardware like surgeries/space operations/ enforcement etc has been game changing for sure but iterative development just to bring all these under a common umbrella (which FB is probably bent on doing ultimately) - is jarring and half baked at best

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[@serpentvert]

I'd rather go back to working from the office than be subjected to this.

[@blorblol]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this so we don't have to!

[@earnhar768]

I want to like Workrooms but it is kinda a mess. I have yet to get the virtual desktop feature to work on mine.

[@Thezuule1]

Try Immersed imo.

[@earnhar768]

@@Thezuule1 will check it out.

[@georgeraividian]

Damn the video in this video is amazing. Was it in house?

[@TheVerge]

All in house 😎 - Vjeran

[@oculusgounlocked]

Sadly It's Bradley explained that this "new" chip i hardly an upgrade. It's the same chip with some efficiency fixes. The Quest 3 is supposed to launch with a new chip.

[@ebubeawachie]

Imagine this headset with the Apple M2 chip powering a set of 4k screens per eye

[@Thezuule1]

The issue is Apple has no VR software at all available. No matter how great the hardware is they're years behind everyone else in building an XR ecosystem.

[@ChristineTohXH]

Maybe they should call it Betaverse first for this release.

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[@shouryashrivastava2154]

LINK START!!

[@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel]

The best thing that could happen is that they crash so bad they had to split up all the companies they bought over the years. Instagram would be free again and maybe has a future a the platform they intended it to be in the first place instead of a tiktok clone.

[@mohsinrparkar3407]

Thank you for being honest .. The VR frenzy is just too undercooked and I am glad the Verge was not shmoozed by Meta to paint a rosy picture..

[@Serioustroop]

Finally an honest review

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[@MindEyeMediaVR]

It's astonishing that Zuck thinks that one of the best ways to utilize cutting-edge VR is to use it to re-create low-tech office environments.

[@scifi_shop]

I would totally make million dollars deals in this. That or at a bar

[@shazr]

Marc Zuckerburg just enjoyed playing with it, and he thought everyone else will too. Who does the market research for Facebook?

[@galacticwarlock2271]

Watching legless Alex say, "This is worth negative 10 billion dollars." Was worth 10 billion dollars.

[@desmond-hawkins]

It is *incredible* how much Zuckerberg wants this. He must have some *major* issues with human interactions to want this nightmare experience to replace it… seriously, who would want _any_ of this? I find it fascinating how his money and power has created a whole organization of people working on this platform, likely because they find the work interesting and not because they believe in it. He'll be able to keep them employed for years as they grow their skills and experience, but there's no doubt in my mind that nothing like Zuckerberg's vision will ever take off. May they someday use this knowledge to found companies and game studios to make things people actually want; in the meantime this will have to be their job.

[@egglyph]

People that really have major issues interacting with people don't do families, let alone huge companies. Most probably he's okay interacting with at least a circle of family and close friends. I think he's 100% sure he has enough leverage for making it happen (kinda making it a new television, or replacing video calls for job related collaboration - this kind of stuff) no matter how opposed the marked and our society can be, through money and influence. Like imagine (for the sake of a mental experiment) that a few major companies make Workrooms a de-facto internal standard for communications in such a way that you're forced to acquire a headset, and you happen to work at such a company. This won't be too different how Zoom or Google hangouts become popular. I bet he's thinking rather something like that.

[@schechtere]

Another explanation is that he can't own the browser (Google has that), he can't own the phone (Apple and Google own that -- and Apple's recent privacy improvements just hurt Facebook bigly), so he wants to move beyond those to an interface he can own.

[@halcyonramirez6469]

For tech workers? This is the dream. have 5 screens everywhere you go. You can be productive anywhere. I want this. I don't care for the social aspect of VR I have actuL reality for that lol

[@P__114]

I’d this was supposed to be a comedy then you win. I laughed a lot.

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[@JonnyKaneGaming]

I bought one. And I love the experience (if not the actual hardwear). BUT its my first experience in YEARS of VR. And yes, the software is pretty damn buggy. But I can definitely see opportunities for remote collaboration that are infinitely better than what Zoom offers today. Though I do agree right now thats not going to happen as too much needs fixed for most companies that aren't VR specialists to consider purchasing and asking their employees to use.

[@RichardMMarshall]

Can you say where you see those opportunities beyond the well established 3D modeling and training described in the video?

[@JonnyKaneGaming]

@@RichardMMarshall product management with remote software teams

[@suryachivukula]

I would prefer something more non wearable and something more for business or education stuff but not for meeting and all that stuff

[@RogerEssigArtist]

The Quest Pro is the best all round device on the planet, there's no other device that comes close to what it can do. If you can think of one, please tell me.

[@the_artrobot]

You are correct. It's not the end-all/be-all critics pretend to have expected. Such a thing will never exist. That's not how tech works. It's a next step, still early in the mixed reality revolution.

[@johnnyi1337]

"adopt VR for work" Ok but what's work gonna be like in the future

[@PatrikRasch]

Lmao, it's worse than I feared. I hope we're seeing the first imperfect steps of a success story and not just the beginning of the end. I really want their vision to come to fruition!

[@gnack420]

Why?

[@LifehackerAsh]

I think we should also recognise how complex all these things are to make and appreciate the designers/developers involved in this rather than trashing them. If nobody invests money and nobody does anything out of the ordinary, then we will all be using the same technology and stagnating.

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[@barryspurlock3048]

The technology will get smaller and in the end I believe Mark is on to something but the tech needs to catch up to realize that vision.

[@ProfTHT]

I'm sorry guys, but you were not able to meet in Workrooms?!? I mean, really? Are you able to use Skype at least? We hosted full-scale seminars in Workrooms about a year ago with our students, which have no kind of particular tech expertise...

[@dtz1000]

The problem with the Quest 3 is that it will still have crappy LCD displays. At least the Quest Pro has QLED displays which are a step up.

[@samiirrrr]

thanks you for such a good review ! the internet is filled with reviews from influencers who get the quest pro for free and they cant stop singing its praises.

[@chrispitchforth621]

It's bad that the only bit of this that is tempting to me is the controllers. Yeah, I would want the eye tracking and pancake lenses, but I'm not paying £1,500 for that.

[@mirajsyed4342]

My question - what happen to those who use specs ?

[@ButtorsGaming]

They will work. If you don’t want to wear them there are third parties that offer Lenses for like $35-$50

[@nohypocrisy]

the mind, the soul, idea, intent, reason, fear, health, universe

[@ed2023bc]

Nice and funny review. As bad as software is, it's better than doing nothing. They have to start with something. I'm sure in 5-7 years it will be much better. Look at first cell phone as an example.

[@Thezuule1]

Hell just look at the Quest 2 a couple years ago compared to today. Barely the same device with all the features and stuff they've added.

[@vhex61]

META needs to succeed! Need a full dive nerve gear set to escape reality when I hit 70!

[@georgehope5477]

I'd gladly wait an extra 5 years for a decent product if it means Facebook is not in control of it.

[@vhex61]

@@georgehope5477 META just need to spearhead the technology while others watch and wait while META bleeds money. There will surely be clones once it takes off, probably better than META products.

[@sourav7162]

Me too

[@proesterchen]

The Brussels sprouts of technology.

[@altair9762]

Apt.

[@dombrennan]

As much as the user experience looks bad in this video, and despite the tracking problems, there were moments where I started to see both Adi and Nilay’s mannerisms (and to an extent, their personalities) in their avatars. For a few moments I could see the potential.

[@incredibilistic]

I can't help but think that you identified or connected with Adi and Nilay because you're already familiar with them outside of this "world."

[@dombrennan]

@@incredibilistic Absolutely. I'm saying that the tracking is already good enough to be able to recognise them.

[@KlutchAndJerel]

Interesting choice of staff to choose for the review. This staff member seems to write more political pieces, and not so much tech hardware. Also consistently choosing the framing of “Meta LOST billions” instead of “Meta INVESTED billions” is interesting

[@Matic3d]

As well as failing to accurately mention that the “10 billion” they toss out isn’t the amount meta is spending even on VR, with horizon etc only being a tiny part of that entire division. Misleading and biased.

[@reckless1280]

Adi has been our VR reporter for like five years! And being an expert in the politics of managing online spaces is MORE important in VR, heh

[@KlutchAndJerel]

@@reckless1280 review was very useful and entertaining! I just get nervous around strangers 🥺 This is a product I wish so badly to be good and useful, but just seems the software is holding it back.

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[@JustCliff]

If only you had showcased other social business apps.

[@realityos]

Hmm, I prefer Lawnmower Man.

[@TheGlobalProfessional]

Hahahaha, oof.

[@151mcx]

I'd pay 1500 bucks for that!

[@lorenzomijorus]

Just came back here to remind myself how much Meta got rekt only one year before Vision Pro

[@nanpongambo7608]

WAtching this after the launch of the Apple Vision Pro. IN order to remain viable in this product category, Meta needs to start afresh from the ground up.

[@jacobpro_]

Launch? You mean reveal?

[@ohkee]

Workrooms is actually pretty good. Overal the software of oculus (meta) is pretty good. John Carmack did a great job. This is a obviously a Apple/Microsoft funded let’s bash Meta commercial. 😮‍💨