Quest Pro "Sucks"

[@EricForPresident]

Who bought a Quest Pro actually? I NEED TO Follow me here twitter.com/EricPresidentVR

[@BrainSlugs83]

I'm on the fence, at half the price and double the battery life, it would be a no brainer. I might still get it though. I wrote a more in depth comment separately. I'm really glad to see another positive perspective on this.

[@brewhog]

I pre-purchased. It's going to have everything that I knew was going to be in in it. The lower battery life was the only disappointment. However, being plugged it to charge doesn't change my workflow while sitting at a desk at all. Carmack put all of my questions to rest and confirmed it should be a lot better for me with productivity than the Q2.

[@lilacfunish]

I ordered it then canceled, at half battery life, same cpu and resolution, the only benefits I see is the color pass through, I tried the software on quest 2 and object overlay software is still very basic and flaky, so I’d rather skip on alpha tools

[@marqusee]

I got one. I’m an XR designer and am super excited to have a MR headset at half the cost of a HoloLens.

[@brewhog]

@@lilacfunish It's been confirmed that the improved optics and pixel density creates a SIGNIFICANT clarity improvement. Having the same resolution doesn't mean the same experience. This wouldn't sell at all if productivity users had the same clarity issues as the Quest 2. Both Carmack and Tetiana from DiscoVR confirmed the improved clarity.

[@kestrelite]

eric you don’t seem as cheerful as you used to back in the quest 1 days. everything alright? or have you just taken a chilled stance to your channel

[@GavinCowieIndeed]

Reckon his approach is maturing with the industry 🤗 (faster, imo)

[@FXV56]

I rarely watch him but i agree, i remember watching quest 1 videos when it launched and he seemed more cheerful

[@harmleyten4]

I mean a lot has happened in that time range

[@MrHocotateFreight]

If you've stuck around since vr started, you'd notice a stark loss of enginuity and "wow factors". It's like how gorilla tag used to be 20 somethings like me with the money to get into vr, but now it's a horde of 6 year Olds making every server a test of mental limits. It's used to be FUN in vr wherever you go, but now it's narrowed. That really sucks, you know?

[@kestrelite]

@@MrHocotateFreight i’ve been playing vr since the cv1 days and i totally agree with you, everything’s gone dull as you say. i think with the release of the quest 2 and it’s affordability, it’s made it easy for children to access vr, which is good but it puts many adults off because they make it seem like vr is for children.

[@FrontwaysLarry]

I wish there were just less people so violently against VR succeeding, especially when the majority of the people that say, "VR isn't a thing" will then admit they've never tried VR. VR is booming, and I'm overall hyped at the tech possibilities. Should Meta have maybe slowly worked up to business focus? Maybe, instead of a band aid rip more or less to the gaming side, but honestly it all makes sense. They don't want to make a big deal about Quest 3 being announced officially, because they want to clear out more Quest 2 headsets first. Tons of games not ready to showcase yet, so don't show 'em off if they aren't ready, just happens to be how things turned out, even if it's a let down. Nice to see you've got a level head about this, Eric. Even when the internet is for some reason losing their mind over just a tech showcase.

[@spacedout4061]

Just because one meta connect was about a specifically business geared product does not mean every single one will be. The next one will 100% be about the quest 3 and all the games likely releasing next year

[@BrianScotland]

I thought…maybe $1299 with a 512 version at $1499 but…nope. Expected at least 3.5 hours battery. Nope.

[@skyfirefly76]

I'm a GEN X woman who has grown up with technology. I ran a BBS in middle school, and I've worked in tech my whole life. I always thought considering VR headsets as game consoles wasn't the best approach. I love games, and I play console and PC games, but, I use my PC as a computing platform for games, work, and all kinds of experiences. I want to work in VR/AR. There will be a day when these headsets are everything we need. Phone, pc, gaming, everything. And that's the right direction. In the 80's, my room was packed full of all kinds of technology that, today, fits in my pocket. And, it's time to get past the limitations of phones and move into glasses or supper light headset wearables. I want to play, design, work, and experience altered realities comfortably and do it where ever I want to be, and this is the direction that's going to get us there.

[@michelverheijen6643]

Even buy a prada bag for 10 bucks in the facebook's miniverse horizon worlds. Yep you are a hip woman.

[@jakkudemoff3043]

VR Gaming seems to be on the back burner for everyone except Sony -May PSVR 2 be the VR game Savior we need... Even if the wire sucks...

[@NeonRedChannel]

I think someone should make a video on that the battery life can be way more if you turn off the face tracking stuff, also you can just conect it to power while using it and im sure they will make some battery accesories. As this is not a gaming centric device i think that is very reasonable.

[@Reconviewer]

As a business owner in warehouse and logistics this just wouldn’t help at all. The price wouldn’t be a problem but the hardware and software isn’t where it should be.

[@pfschuyler]

The full light blocker thing was one step too far, that should have been in the box. They tried to establish a clear divide between the Pro and Consumer devices/markets. But I think that's a mistake evidenced by Quest's current success.

[@mimir-japan]

Agree completely that gamers need to calm down. Just like flat computing, all things spatial computing can't be made for you. The industry is growing up.

[@omegletrolling1678]

Vr was made with entertainment and games in mind. Vr gaming better keeps improving

[@Guinea54]

This era is too simpleminded and brain dead.. The potential of this tech is crazy.. VR isn't a gimmick or a 3d TV. It's a brand new immersive experience. But like I said, it depends on the state of the people. If this tech was available in the 80's, for the same price ratio- EVERYONE would own one. NOw people rather just simp tiktok and onlyfans and play the same games on a flatscreen for another 50 years. Our society is too brain dead to fully embrace VR technology.. IT's the same as if you put a VR headset on a dog. At this point we should have a ton of AAA titles.

[@zakarymcleod1850]

I don't think the Quest Pro will be useful for businesses. A business headset needs more than 1-2 hours of battery life, or at least a 0-100% charge in less than 30 minutes. This headset won't last through a lengthy virtual meeting, let alone be able to act as a productivity tool for an entire work day. If they want to market this as a replacement for a desktop setup or as a virtual office space, battery life is still an issue but so is resolution. Maybe eye tracking can improve it, but I find small text very difficult and painful to read on the Quest 2 and there isn't a significant resolution boost for the pro. Who exactly can use this headset for something that justifies the $1500 price tag?

[@Bos_Meong]

nothing, this headset is for you that want to donate facebook because their stock are tanking 😂😂😂

[@jasii7206]

Man I wish oculus wasn’t never bought by meta. Would of been so much better.

[@WhiteRaven___]

Oculus has been a part of Facebook for a long time. The Quest exists because of Facebook. The only reason Oculus was able to advance so much and so quickly was because of Facebook. So no.. they would not have been better

[@jasii7206]

@@WhiteRaven___ More competition in the vr market, less Facebook being Facebook in the market. I think the majority of people would agree that oculus without Facebook would be, while smaller, better for the consumers because of the practices Facebook uses.

[@WhiteRaven___]

@@jasii7206 what practices does FB use that every single other company doesn't? You know that every company uses your personal data.. every app you use on your phone or in VR uses your data.. Oculus would have been dead had it not been for the funding from FB. Just look at competitors now, we are just now getting the Pico 4 which is the closest thing to a competitor Meta has. And its been YEARS. VR would not be nearly as successful and progressive if it wasn't for FB as much as you might not want to hear that, its true. FB is no worse than anyone else.

[@omegletrolling1678]

@@jasii7206 facebook does no bad practices at all. The "personal data mining" is perfectly okay. Poeple were banning the ability to get lal of that personal data and now everything is and will be riddled with ads and will be terrible. Look at old youtube vs new youtube old social media vs new social media it is an day and night difference

[@omegletrolling1678]

@@jasii7206 this is all our own fault

[@AvocAdo5096]

This is not a device made for consumer gaming. It is focused on the business market. For business this is extremely exciting, for gaming it is also pretty cool

[@thunt02]

Even for business it doesn’t live up to the price tag

[@AvocAdo5096]

@@thunt02 It is new tech so right now it's expensive af. I think the high end companies who are adaptive to tech would buy these first. Then after some time as it gets easier to make these things the price will drop a bit for high end consumers

[@thunt02]

@@AvocAdo5096 it’s not about the new stuff, it’s about what you are missing out with this headset. Low battery life, same resolution and storage as the quest 2, these are important things that should be optimized in a headset if you are aiming towards businesses, if those key parts aren’t improved then it really shouldn’t be worth as much as that price tag

[@AvocAdo5096]

@@thunt02 the resolution is improved, with new lenses and screens. Storage for business doesn't have to be intense as most things are either on the cloud network, or documents. The low battery can be a problem though. And yes that price is insane

[@AvocAdo5096]

@@thunt02 what makes it worth it in my eyes is the amount of software they are providing for those enterprise markets. For consumers this is just a worse Varjo. For business this is an insane tool for international teams

[@lamsmiley1944]

I believe stand alone VR is killing the industry. Sure there is now an ordinance now which there wasn’t before, but given that it runs on a mobile chip you aren’t going to get triple A developers making games for it. That means that consumers will be left with tech demos and poorly designed games which will leave a bad impression of VR for years to come.

[@whoogh]

Yeah... and even if they somehow designed a AAA experience to run on one of these headsets the battery would be dismal. It's why I prefer PCVR streaming.

[@mgsolidboss6271]

The resolution kills it for me.

[@kyleweatherly6642]

As John carmack pointed out. Higher resolution is almost pointless if the xr2 can't output it. Pico neo 4 may have higher resolution display for example but due to tech limitations on the xr2 it will be held back..

[@BlaqViper]

Like an iPad Air and iPad Pro are geared toward two different crowds, I think so too the Q2 and Q Pro. While many feel the Q Pro may be too expensive for a gaming VR headset, perhaps because it’s not suppose to be a gaming headset. Perhaps whatever the Q3 turns out to be will be that upgrade to the Q2 gaming headset. The Q Pro seem to be targeting enterprise customers, not gamers.

[@allenfryre9670]

Honestly a point to make out for the battery is the fact that if a person is willingly wanting to spend over 1500 on a vr headset, what is like 20-50-ish bucks on 1 or 2 portable charger. I have one and I was able to increase quest 2 battery lifespan for like more than 2 hours. But, seeing how the headset does cost 1500, kinda is dissapointing how battery life by itself is not long.

[@plasticlife283]

Three things. For one, I actually thought they added way more information than I thought I would see. I honestly thought it would pretty much be focused on the Quest Pro. I never really expected much in the way of game announcements, so what was mentioned was actually a surprise to me. Second, the thing that I was most disappointed about was hearing about the battery life of the Quest Pro, among a few other minor things. But I honestly wanted to potentially get it for the AR capabilities it can offer for business use. Would I use it for games? Sure, but that isn't why it was most appealing to me, which was the point anyway. Was the price a sore point? Yes, but it wasn't unexpected. Third, I don't see Microsoft as bending the knee. I was actually surprised they collaborated in this way. I never heard much news about this going in, so it was interesting to me. Plus, Microsoft is just extending their reach of where their services are available. Yes, I can play my Xbox games and use Office through something like Virtual Desktop, but to have native support available on Quest is awesome to me. Especially, when you couple it with AR. Plus, I don't necessarily believe Microsoft are never going to release something as far as an inhouse consumer facing AR/VR device. Time will tell, but in the meantime they are just doing what makes the most business sense to them. Which in this case is partnering with Meta, which I think is a smart move. I mean we all know Jim crying Ryan or Apple never would.

[@Bluth53]

Happy to lean back and enjoy my perfectly suiting hardware as is with the incoming UE4 injector. Instead of an HMD, I'll invest in a GPU this time around and enjoy the leap forward next time with either Q3/P5/QP2

[@gpcube]

Seeing John Carmack reduced to a little cartoon puppet for his annual talk was appropriate I guess. The Quest 3 will be used to play mostly the same VR games as DK1 and CV1. The greatest thing that could happen to this industry would be Meta leaving the space, they are a big steaming pile that has blotted out innovation and free market competition by their monopolistic practices and convinced millions to avoid VR . Sad to see Microsoft end up like this, it didn't have to be this way. Meta still hocking their toy mobile GearVR variants with sub-DK1 FOV because its more important to them to amass sheer numbers of customers than provide a quality product. Maybe Valve or Sony could save us but I am not holding my breath for that one. Oh well, maybe the 4090 will cheer me up with a VR performance boost for the same old games.

[@unrealdevop]

We'll I'm going to be honest, because I am a developer and me and everyone I talk to on a regular basis are mostly not interested in making VR Games for Quest because quite honestly, they are Anti-Developer. To get a game on their store is quite the task. You could spend a year just trying to get your game accepted and you have no guarantee it will ever make it. I've considered making games for the Quest store but the fact that so many developers get rejected to me personally makes it not even worth the effort. There is no way I'm going to spend all that time developing a game for VR only to get rejected by the VR Monopoly and never get it properly published.

[@midlet]

I really want them to succeed because they're really paving the way on the hardware and tech fronts, but this honestly seems like a bad biz decision. I don't think people in professional environments are really screaming to work in VR. The experience isn't really better than working with screens at this point. It's actually more cumbersome. You'd have to force people to use it and it would be a super expensive productivity blocker IMO. On the other hand the people really excited about VR are still and will probably be for the next few years, gamers. I feel like they should really cater to gamers first while still supporting biz applications on the gaming devices as a secondary use case.

[@PaperWill]

What I'm really curious about, something I haven't seen any coverage of, is if the Quest Pro's recording quality is any different from the Quest 2. Does anyone know much about this?

[@affecttheeffect]

The thing that excited me most about Meta Connect was the introduction of the so called "Instant Avatar". By simply aiming a smartphone at one's face for a 3 minute "registration" period one obtains an avatar whose quality is 90% of that promised by the much more complex "Codec Avatar 2.0". Meta's statement that the realistic avatars are still in the "research" phase and may never make it into a final product did hold my enthusiasm in check but given the apparent simplicity of generating an Instant Avatar I'm optimistic that these avatars will allow people to communicate face to face in VR with a convincingly realistic appearance thereby instantly connecting people in the most revolutionary manner one could imagine. The entire gaming industry pales by comparison in my opinion.

[@pali122]

this is interesting but scary too

[@Thezuule1]

Even using cartoonish VRChat avatars my friends and I are able to cross the divide in a way a phone just can't match. Having realistic avatars would definitely take it to a new level.

[@andrewkarn9255]

Wait what's wrong with it being not specifically for gaming.... That's what the quest 3 coming out is supposed to be for right? I want something I can reliably and accurate use to edit photos and videos. It would be super nice to have something more comfortable than the quest 2 but also with clearer vision and better resolution. I've tried it on the quest 2 and it's pretty cool to just be using my laptop but able to have 2 or 3 digital monitors. Unfortunately the quality just isn't there on quest 2.

[@adr2t]

Quest 3 will have an upgrade to the res - but if you didnt like the Quest 2 res.... I dont know if you would be happy with the Quest 3 res then... It'll come with the same FOV as well... so it would help with the PPD, but not by too much.

[@andrewkarn9255]

@@adr2t I think I may have just been a clarity issue with the fresnel lenses or at least that's what I'm hoping. And the fact that it's less bulky is a win for me as well. Ideally I wish there was a way to color calibrate the display as well but that's probably a long ways out.

[@adr2t]

@@andrewkarn9255 Hard to say. I know what you mean though. I just dont want to give you too much hope if its the res that was the problem before or if it was something else. I have tried a few lenses that had some issue before so hopefully its just that

[@FPS_ARMA]

Why is everyone so pressed. It's like meta kicked their dog.

[@davidshoemaker4437]

I like hearing your perspective so thanks for sharing. As far as being disappointed, nope, I did not expect any of the pie-in-the-sky stuff that floats around the internet. The price point is what I expected more than a year ago, (and for the record, I predict the Apple R to be at least as much if not more my guess $1800). Meta realizes that it will now have competition so it will not build hardware at a loss going forward. I also see a problem with over-expectations with new products, all the hype for the Vive Flow going in, only to find out it was an improved Oculus Go. We hear about all kinds of tech development and assume that it will somehow all be crammed into one device when in reality it will trickle into products and we are still many years away from a "Ready Player One" experience. Meta quest 2 is still amazing when you use it to its full capacity including pcvr modded games like Skyrim are incredible. I also use it for exercise. Game development takes time and if the next-gen headset comes out every year there is no way for them to keep up. So yeah I think that Quest 3 will be an improvement and add features we don't have now, but I am willing to bet you will have to pay for it my guess $800+.

[@deddrz2549]

Idk, I wasn't expecting anything crazy either but was still kinda disappointed, I mean I was expecting higher res and fov and we aren't even really getting that much, they said the ppi of the display is 34% more but that's just because the display itself is more compact, I also get magnified more meaning that it's not actually a res improvement. And the FOV is only gonna be 2° more which will be likely unnoticeable. And the refresh rate will be 72-90Hz, which is a downgrade from the 90-120Hz we have now. Heck, it's gonna cost another $50 to get the basic eye cover that actually blocks out all the light! Though I guess 50 doesn't add that much more to the full price. Color passthrough will def be pretty cool though

[@davidshoemaker4437]

@@deddrz2549 Hey I get where you are coming from, but since I expected the higher price I always knew this would not be my next headset. As for things like 72-90hz. remember that Quest 2 increased to 120 hz over time, so this could as well. I think the best new tech from this device is the controllers, and they can be used with the Q2 and hopefully released with the Q3.

[@Imhotep397]

To me it’s just a situation where, in your mind, you want to believe the square peg is somehow going to fit into the round hole and it’s just not ever going to fit. Facebook is never going to put games first for anything including VR, but everybody should have known that from the time facebook acquired Oculus. If you want VR games you “should” want to buy products from a company that actually prioritizes gaming, specifically, for VR. Whatever your issue might be with Sony now is really the time to reevaluate it and determine whether it’s actually beneficial for you to be clinging onto it still.

[@matthewjohnson2871]

if quest pro was something i could afford I would have been stoked. But its a business grade headset. Waiting for quest 3. This one is awesome but it'll never be in my hands so meh.

[@lildevilgamer]

I'm surprised how many people are disappointed that the headset said to be business focused turned out indeed business focused and not gaming focused. For me this connect was good. I might be remembering the previous one wrong, but I think this one was better.

[@Drstrange3000]

I'm surprised too. Lots of people set themselves up for disappointment.

[@Shiffo]

Eric, just as you i was aware of most of the information that was going to be presented at the connect event. But you got to understand that we are living in an information bubble because we are actually super interested in this content. But the average consumer, average person or average quest user probably does not know what the specs are of the Quest 3 and will be surprised once it get's announced. You cannot generalize the information bubble we are living in to the people that are not in the same bubble.

[@shadowswithin702]

We really need some innovation for the batteries in these things, especially at that higher price point. I can understand as well as gaming, VR being aimed towards business. But how much productivity can you have in VR, with that battery and no fast charging. I also think a focus on education could be good for VR, some of the experiences I have had. Going through the human heart, swimming with whales, tours of historic buildings, can really do wonders for teaching and engagement in young minds. And while comfort and weight was the problem, and now that headsets are getting lighter with each generation. Really need to work on battery and touch I think, and of course software both business, education and of course games.

[@tonydigital6017]

I dont understand who people can be so hurt from these connects that it isn't about gaming. Do you people really believe that Mark bought Oculus for gaming? VR is wayyyy more than just gaming. How can people call themselves VR enthusiasts if all they care about is gaming. Meta is delivering VR the right way by connecting the people first. All these other companies that you guys think are going to be this so called Meta killers are crazy. They will not last in this medium.

[@GiffysChannel]

That was a very interesting perspective. I honestly didn't even know this event was happening. I've been a huge fan of VR for a long time and remember when I found a message from you in my community comments under my channel asking me to check your page out. I'm glad I did because your content has been some of the best I've ever seen on the tubes. As much as I get excited about VR, I have to admit I haven't put a headset in over 6 months. I continue to recommend amazing games that had a big impact on me like To The Top to people all excited about their new Quest. The longer the time I spend away from VR, the happier I am just thinking about it while being patient for things to progress. Now here is why I think that is and why I think we are disappointed in the speed at which the "metaverse" is being built. Moore's Law is dead. As a consequence, the generation that grew up getting spoiled by, and even getting numb to, the constant doubling of computer power is now left underwhelmed by the next "new" version of tech of choice. As a 30 year old and a gamer for half that time, I am extra sensitive to this change since it affects pretty much every component of gaming hardware. Weird things have been happening for a while now. Just to mention a few examples; the ram price hikes a few years ago, the failure of intel to reach their goal on processor nanometer size, the GPU price hikes (and now fall), even the weird Nvidia/EVGA breakup recently makes me wonder what's going on but I digress. VR is in this realm too. What I'm saying is that there are times in history when the advancement of technology can get stalled because we've stalled on creativity. We need an advancement in creativity to utilize what our recent advancement in technology to it's full extent. We have so many new great tools to use here in the 21st century, why do I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface of what we can do with these things? I've always thought the speed at which VR was coming out was bad for it. I believe VR hype was artificially pumped up so facebook could capitalize on and control it's development. Contrast that with what you think would have happened without facebook's involvement. Much slower development, less financial incentive to create games (leaving only passion projects), Valve remaining the leader in developing the tech as an open system, and finally, a smaller and tighter community. This alternative timeline would have retained all the things I loved about VR while repelling all the things I dislike about it like trash content I have to wade through just to find a decent indie experience that showcased a really good idea that also ends up being free mechanics for a much less creative company who also happens to be great at marketing. It feels like popularity hurts what ever it touches but that's not true. The popularity itself is great. It's just that when something becomes popular, it also becomes a way to make money. Then the quantity over quality thing starts happening and you end up with all the trash we see in the steam Library and even in the Oculus store. I guess, what I'm saying is, who cares about these big companies and their crap. We have the hardware, it's ours now. Let's focus on putting money into the companies who are doing all the work. The small, independent developer groups (or individuals), who are doing really cool stuff and encouraging them to collaborate with each other. Let's talk about these people, let's help them with ideas, and let's give them our feedback and encouragement. Or maybe it's inevitable that VR ends up with a fate like what became Anime. All fanservice with nothing original but once in a while you find a novel idea in place you only went because there were boobs.

[@travislowrider6623]

Tbh I think Oculus did more for vr than any company lol.

[@travislowrider6623]

If only valve was at the helm, it would go to slow n be too pricey imo

[@RenetaScian]

Don't forget that this happened with other computers, but in the other direction. They had to show people Computers could be used for gaming to start the modern PC gaming era. Making the computing of a VR headset more general purposes is necessary. That said, Meta are hot garbage, and corpos suck.

[@BrainSlugs83]

With all the negative takes, I really appreciate the positive take and the explanation that, "this was not for us". As a WFH professional, I was really excited for the pro, but that price tag was about double what I was expecting, and the weird security stuff made me think it's geared more towards Enterprise? -- At half the price and double the battery life, the purchase would be a no brainer. But as is, I'm on the fence, might still pre-order, I'm just not sure. I feel like Satya's appearance wasn't so much "bending the knee" as it was expanding MS's software empire. Like, "oh your business uses Meta's headset? Guess what, our products work great with that ecosystem too, everything from gaming to productivity."* -- MS has been expanding in the last decade into all sorts of places that have been very surprising to me. -- I'll be interested to see if the headset is mentioned during the Ignite keynote today. I saw a lot of Ls in chat around the announcement that they're working on BCIs and I don't understand the hate at all. It seemed like real progress for AI body tracking and maybe a neural link in a few decades... But wouldn't it be neat to have it track your feet and fingers without needing cameras or trackers? (or at least improving the AI predictions with this stuff...) I'm really excited for the future of this space. (*Disclaimer: I currently work for MS, but only for 1 year now, and nothing to do with AR/VR or gaming -- I personally love the Oculus hardware so far, and am so glad this is happening; I would also love to see the Xbox team embrace VR and just adopt the Quest 2 or 3 as the supported headset for console VR. I really hope the Xbox arcade that was announced is just the first step.)

[@MrMycelium]

I personally think that it's less of the leakers and more an issue with the VR Hype KZbinrs setting the public expectation amongst the enthusiast communities. Literally some of the biggest KZbin channels, (Thrillseeker etc.) will keep selling these upcoming releases of hardware/software as "REVOLUTIONARY" and "VR WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!!!" every single time the smallest thing is announced. This is obviously just meant as a means to drive as much traffic to their channels whether it actually meets those expectations or not. It sets up anything that these channels talk about to immediately fail in public perception because they hype is so over inflated by that point that it can honestly never meet those expectations. The funny thing is that the moment after these product release, those some content creators either straight up ignore the product, or critically pan it into the abyss for not meeting those same expectations that they themselves unfairly set.

[@FalconLX911]

Well said. You are the first tuber to look at the industry this way. I too was disappointed as a gamer but interested in the development and outlook of VR/AR

[@zackmac5917]

This is how you need to perceive what Quest Pro is: Quest Pro, is Meta's answer to Hololens 2 and Magic Leap 2. This is a mixed reality device primarily aimed for business and work use cases, and that's all there is to it. This isn't for gamers, and it's not for most consumers. It's essentially a first gen iteration of our mixed reality future. With this in mind, this is actually very exciting. I won't get this headset like any other VR gamer, but this is an amazing sign for the future. The fact that this exists is the best news for all of us. This is just the start and it's an extremely solid foundation to begin with. It establishes higher end tech in the market and leads developers to build experiences based on that. Quest Pro 2 will be amazing. Even more advanced MR than this, higher resolution high brightness micro-oled displays. All of this will trickle down to Quest 3,4,5 and so on. Totally agree with Eric, VR couldn't be in a better spot right now. This is all good news, and we are now entering the next gen of VR. PSVR2 is going to propel the industry forward with rapid growth in high quality PC-like VR games, which will benefit both PC VR and standalone. Hopefully standalone won't be the main focus from hereon, but rather higher quality experiences trickling down to the Quest.

[@FXV56]

Those prototypes meta were working on.. one day we'll see them all combined in one headset more or less

[@zackmac5917]

@@FXV56 Absolutely, that's what their doing and they've been pretty vocal about it. Don't want to repeat myself lol, but what's amazing about Quest Pro, is this is basically a sneak peak at what we'll get in Quest 3 and 4. Except, it'll be way better than this, because the next generations of Quest will have significantly more powerful chips than Quest Pro 1, with higher resolution displays and at least with Quest 4, it'll be high brightness micro-oled displays and significantly improved MR quality. It's all intertwined. Everything we get in the Quest Pro line, will eventually go to Quest, and this leads developers to build next generation mixed reality software. So that once Quest has this tech and improved versions of it, we'll also have a foundation of developers who know what they're doing with it and a library of content to go with it. Basically, big things are coming for everyone, gamers and non-gamer alike. The next few years with this new gen of VR, and the next two gens of Quest, are going to take us to the promised land lol.

[@kevinbrook7033]

My biggest concern, with all these manufacturers, is that gaming focus is almost exclusively standalone focus. I've owned both Quests since launch but I haven't bought any Quest games. I am a PCVR gamer and will never want to play standalone games. PCVR is sadly a wasteland now, the only games I play are flatscreen ports like Microsoft Flight Simulator. None of the headset manufacturers seem to cater to us. Pico drop a terrific value headset for $400 which a great display, decent FOV and next generation lenses, and then completely kill it for high end PCVR use by not giving it a display port. I get it, they are subsidising the headset, they probably lose money on it, and they don't want to sell one to somebody like me who just wants to use it for PCVR and won't buy into their ecosystem, but we need somebody to care about PCVR. It's nuts to me that with 2023 almost here I'm still using a Quest 2 and Reverb G2 as there simply isn't a better option for PCVR gaming yet.

[@hussain-x]

Great positive thoughts. Connect 2022 was really interesting, and excited where Quest Pro and Microsoft partnership goes even if the device isn't for me. Makes me excited about Quest 3 mixed reality offerings.

[@azmodean4400]

I thought it was good, I like these events. I follow Bradley so I knew what was coming... but I still liked it. I think Meta is doing a good job driving VR, you have to ask the question if they were not there, would Pico even be a thing? (For clarity I am a SteamVR shill for gaming). But you need to keep perspective. I also work remotely on Teams, Office 365 and Zoom, so it will be interest to see how the implementation of VR in these programs will work. I hope its not just 2d windows and they implement more free range uses you cant do on a desktop. For example in an MR environment dragging excel & word tabs out to lay on your your desk / floor / pin in the sky like I did when I was studying back in the day. Could make it different and interesting.

[@adr2t]

The thing is you dont really need a "pro" headset for any of that... its just software layering thus can be done on a Quest 2 or 3 headset... I used to do it with VDs and Remote Displays back in the CV1 days. If your goal is to do that in MR that could require a Pro if you want it early,, but I do wonder how many applications will be even design for the Pro only compare to the some that will be created for Quest 3?

[@adr2t]

As I have said on other channels ... its not really that they are releasing a headset for business - its the idea on how they release was the problem. Its soo confusing what this device really does for business users as a whole... what was the goal set out for this device to deal with? Because it seems more like a headset for creators like your CAD designers than your office worker for example. Most of those people really don't need two of their biggest features such as Eye and Face tracking either. After that, there isnt really much of a reason to go for the Pro over a Quest 2 headset in terms of paying more when you can just get the cheaper version for now. MR is neat, but its lacking a depth sensor (they remove it last second it sounds like?) and while I love the new controllers - why not just get a Quest 2 or 3 + V3 controllers instead/next year? The screen is the only thing left... and while I know its hard to exrpess how something looks over a video vs real life... I guess does that make sense to really pay more for it? We're also hearing the Eye and Face tracking doesnt work on PC software either? While I am not sure on that... it sounds like they are again trying to pull people back to the mobile side when they need to focus on the PCVR side still... PCVR isnt just about gaming... its about using your VR headset as your monitor... and they said it can do it - but then lacks USB-C to DP feature? I am just lost on what goal this headset was really set out to help with? Like it also doesnt have a future either. None of the features will really be coming to Quest 3 either... and while you said knowing the future might hurt VR... it doesnt! IT helps us be in the know to tell Meta to get their butts to working. They need to know this isnt the right way to go about doing this. You said a set of devices... There is only one headset... not more than one anymore ... they only been focus on Quest... now we have a Quest "Pro" but its not a Quest "Pro" its a Enterprise headset... not a Quest. IF anything it should be name Quest Enterprise or its project name Cambria.

[@whichri79]

Meta is scared. That's what the $1500 price means. They are pulling back & waiting to see what competitors & devs do. They aren't subsidizing the hardware because they are scared. It's all good. Biz cycle up & down.

[@davidzizza]

Hey Eric, it's nice to put things in perspective, everything doesn't need to be so dire. I have had a Quest and now own a Quest 2, and I'm ok waiting for the trickle down for Quest 3 where current tech advances will lead to better consumer models. The world won't stop spinning if there isn't a new VR headset we can blow our money on every 18 months. This reminds me a lot of the video card market. I enjoy playing on my Q2 with the games I have and even using Virtual Desktop on my PC on occasion. We all should just chill, yeah?

[@michaelpescatore4354]

I think it will just take time… video games will absolutely be a huge part of VR. I dont Game but I can see myself getting a pro as a desktop version as well for piano.

[@c6jones720]

I think microsoft getting on board is a good thing being able to play xbox games, office 365, teams/horizon crossover on the quest / pro, those are good things in the long term

[@theboy181]

Hey - Did you happen to notice that this headset has really (and I mean horrible) contrast ration in dark games? Take a look at Arizona Sunshine or BoneLab and got to the dark areas in these games. Then test the same areas on a Quest2 -- I think someone needs to do a deep dive into this, as its not representative of 1500.00 USD price tag

[@supersnappahead]

Yeah, the lack of software announcements is the biggest bummer from this thing. People who pay attention should've known that this was going to be all about the metaverse and QPro, but we still hoped they would use this opportunity to get everyone excited with some kind of big game announcement. That didn't really happen, so it gives the impression that they just don't have anything that great lined up and people get bummed and/or frustrated.

[@trentfred]

I think the jumps are less noticable because the generations are much shorter. PS2 to PS3 was 7 years. 7 years ago I was playing my Rift dk2. It would be as if I was using that, then I got a quest pro, I think I'd be blown away. Also, we are now old and jaded. Less excitable.

[@W-C-F-o1k]

Are people REALLY gonna "work" in these things? Imagine being "at work" in the Q-Pro, and getting yelled at by a cartoon character 😂

[@RaceRumble]

Here is something most people won't want to hear. Neither Meta, Microsoft, Qualcomm nor Apple is in this to dominate VR gaming, there is not enough money in it alone to justify the costs in development. This is the first stab at trying to figure out a way to recoup the investment. Currently money earned to me is like being paid to experiment and the users are the beta testers. Watching the keynote and seeing who Meta partnered with one begins to understand that the Pro is designed to replace the personal computer as a platform. Apple has been silent because the goal is more ambitious. Yes, they'll have a VR headset but the goal has been and is AR. They want glasses, to function as an AI assistant to replace your phone. Both are investing tons of cash not to give you higher quality games they are trying to replace personal computers and smartphones.

[@oliverdadda]

it's too expensive for my purposes but even if it weren't the battery issues are a real problem for professional use ( in physio rehab at least)... also that fixed strap that can't be changed is worrying. I went for the steam deck and a second Quest for developing multiplayer instead 🤣

[@CZiNTrPT]

Honestly, I don't care about VR games. They mostly suck because of full motion controllers. I just want a light weight device to freely move around and see stuff in 3D and play with gamepad. Or use it to have a big display and lean back and code

[@stagrov8086]

1,5 hour run time due to battery power? And 1-2 hours run time for the controllers...this is ridiculous, especially for business

[@151mcx]

Well, I'm all for the Trickel down effects or the quest 3? They have already said that the quest 3 is not going to implement face/eye tracking. We can only hope that the pico 5 has face/eye tracking. The thing about quest pro, is "how many headsets do you think they will sell"? As in order for the Tech to get passed down is if they sell enough to pay for the tech to become cheap enough to be implemented for the masses at a cheaper price. The Quest 2 has almost sold 15 million headsets. I'm really thinking that the Quest Pro will not sell more than 100K units. Even if they did sell 100K, I don't believe it's enough to make enough money to pass the tech down to the 3. Time will tell and with Pico 4 has already the path to the Quest 3. In my view, when the quest 3 comes out and it doesn't get eye/face tracking features, Pico 5 probably will. My thoughts.

[@thetangibles8242]

Funny thing is, having people like us invested in Connect actually has a bigger impact on Meta stocks then a stock focused Connect lol!

[@-ellow]

I'm intrigued with the idea of the Pro controller working with the Quest 2, that crossover is rather cool.

[@SeriousASMR]

Yup the short n simple answer is the quest pro wasnt ment for gamers not even pcvr gamers with higher budgets its not not good enough for the expectations and uses for good gaming and people thought it would work great for gaming too since it would be high end but we learned the high end part catered more to office use and less gaming so instead of being a great all around vr headset its more focused on office work so everyone got disappointed because we cant believe something so pricey cant be good at it all.

[@TheNewBloodDan]

I'm honestly happy it didn't meet my expectations because I don't have to kill my wallet now! I'm pretty excited for the quest 3!

[@simracingjunky9679]

At 1k$, with the depth sensor and at least 1.5 X battery life I would've considered it.

[@RyanHawley76]

I think the pro is fine. It gets me excited for the quest 3!

[@j.d.c.777]

“I can’t get excited for the Quest 3, because I already know what it is”… true lmao. Quest Pro is cool but yeah I’m waiting for Apple and Quest 3, maybe even PSVR2

[@user-tj7xr6xd9z]

All around its just not a good device for the price. Pretty sure if they increased the resolution, fov and was priced around 9 to 1000 more people would be happy with the device. To me there are better "business" focused headsets that offer more value for the price...

[@mattf5764]

Forces outside our control are driving our industry. Political, social, and organizational issues paired with decaying technological innovation are slowing the major jumps we used to see. Its been that way for the past 5-8 years. Its only going to get worse with the advancements we are making in other areas. But we should still chat one day :)

[@REzado63]

I'm not paying $1,500 for a headset that's only 50% more powerful than the last one and color pass through F that

[@KinkyJalepeno]

Didn't light up my world at all.. I have money sat here waiting for some Valve announcement, just hope it isnt too much longer..

[@heirbornelite]

How is Microsoft bending the knee and acknowledging that they have been outgamed by Meta when they dont even do the same thing?

[@wanderingknight10]

Here is why it’s disappointing because the new features are minimal. It’s like getting the new call of duty an everything is the same besides a few new maps. They are selling passthrough for 1500 for what virtual desktops? We had virtual desktops before the passthrough and before the price hike. It just further validates why Meta has lost billions of dollars this year because they obviously are disconnected from their audience.

[@deepakcoolm]

1500$ Super costly for what? Except Colorpass through, nothing disrupting !!

[@deepakcoolm]

@michael b Exactly.. but around 1000$ would be reasonable ..

[@deepakcoolm]

@michael b agree.. But I am comparing with the Pico 4 specs and it’s price. Except face tracking and expression tracking, what is better that pico 4? So with these above useless specs, this is not really going to serve much of business use cases… Pico 4 has 4K and also smaller than quest pro. What I understand is the Meta is not interested in subsidising the hardware cost because I think the revenue generated through oculus store ( royalty) was less so far. Also scared of their upcoming rival products.

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

It is Microsoft's own fault. FH4, 5 with VR support would have ENDED the debate. But, that boardroom has a habit of missing the mark on the entertainment side tech. But hanging out with friends, with custom cars, and doing roll racing in VR is a NO-brainer.

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

I mean if Crew 2 or FH4 5 get VR support. I would finally retire my Assetto Corsa.

[@Albert-rl7tx]

The most disappointing thing is the battery life, especially with this kinda price tag. For almost 4 times the price we get a battery that’s even weaker than Quest 2????!!

[@deejnutz2068]

The battery is not weaker. The device just draws wat more power.

[@Albert-rl7tx]

@michael b it’s design sure seem like it can support external battery, but if that head strap is not removable then I really doubt there’ll be any efficient design for that battery pack to rest on.

[@Albert-rl7tx]

@@deejnutz2068 Looks like so, I certainly hope their 1-2 hour battery life is recorded under the circumstance that the device is running with all its features enabled. Otherwise 1-2 hours battery life is just lame, especially since it doesn’t support fast-charging, and another youtuber was saying that it takes equal amount of time to have it fully charged.

[@DamianC]

I understand that whole excitement feeling of a new device back in the console days. Tbh I treated Connect like it was E3 I even got up and had my breakfast and just stood hyped only to find this was mostly directed at enterprise B.S. and well the future is exciting but... I have to be honest I don't care about Mixed Reality or AR. I am however happy to hear that VR is evolving still and that my Quest 2 is not going to one gen down so soon. The only thing now a days exciting about a VR device in terms of standalone ones is that you get treats every few weeks instead of everything at once. I feel like it's a gift that keeps on giving but I do understand how it doesn't feel like the excitement of something new and huge.

[@noddson]

Feels like Meta at least is doing more of a phone model of business - less leaps and gaming console amazement and more akin to iPhone 13 to iPhone 14 uplift - less wow

[@eddpumpkinboi4652]

The quest is a console for games, the quest pro is for business, they should've been named differently

[@dh0rn680]

The price though….ouch. 5x more wth?!?!?

[@mattcy6591]

A: this is it for you. Or me. B: this is a business/developer product C: technology is expensive. Everyone still seems to be fooled by the quest 2 pricing thinking that's what the technology actually costs. D: meta shot themselves in the foot by subsidizing quest so much it's set unrealistic price expectations

[@obamacare4262]

@@mattcy6591 Nah meta didn't, the people who are going to buy one will, anybody whos not is going to gawk.

[@UstinkOfFea3]

I brought it the other day $1,619.99 to be exact… I was waiting to hear why u think the Pro sucked being the title of the video 😆… I’m using mostly for productivity being M-F I’m in my truck and rather not pull out my Alienwear 👽 Laptop every time I need to knock out a few work related things & having multiple screens on the Pro will be awesome. Also ill be test driving the new Tesla semi trucks for my company so I’m pretty tech savvy. Gaming of course hint the updated version of the new Alienwear laptop so I’ll be gaming my @$$ off on this thing.

[@zantrex4]

People who want meta/any VR company to fail need to get a life lmao.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

Like phones and consoles, VR's "next generation" is barely that. I guess corporations don't like to spend money on R&D anymore.

[@briank3754]

We are still using Fresnal lenses unless you want to spend nearly $2000. Pico and Oculus just want user bases to buy apps on their stores. I mean beautiful pancake lenses on the Pico 4 and no DisplayPort option, give me a break. What’s the point? Those stand alone titles look almost at bad as wireless VR with Airlink. The quest 2 is an absolute pig of a headset in PCVR. I’ve got a 3080 and the Quest 2 pumps out about 30% less frames than the Reverb G2. I get compression, blah,blah, blah. I bought the Quest 2 for travel and I can’t stand it. Ended up spending $60 for the “Elite” strap, just so I could tolerate sitting in my chair on the flight sim for an hour. Even with the “elite” strap my neck and head hurt after VR session lasting less than an hour. Oculus/Meta has gone down hill since the CV1 and even since the Rift S. This Quest “Pro” is just a teaser product at $1500. The “Pro” doesn’t even have an incremental upgrade in resolution versus the two year old Quest. The Quest 3 will be a cheaply built and uncomfortable headset with incremental upgrades just to keep people wasting money on mobile games ported to VR.

[@AndresGarcia-wk6gw]

Alright, that's it. I'm watching Cowboy Bebop.

[@Corvid76]

I think one of the problems is expectation. If you view XR technology as being either only for gaming or primarily for gaming, you might end up very disappointed. AR is the end-game for VR. That's where the technology is ultimately going to end up. That's quite literally the vision of the Metaverse that Mark sees. AR brings mass adoption from everyone else and that's what Zuckerberg is banking on. Getting people to go through your daily routine using AR throughout their day, just like you do with your cellphone now, is their goal. Obviously that's quite a few years down the road and won't happen until XR devices are as small as a pair of glasses or potentially even done via contact lenses - because the majority of the planet isn't likely going to be willing to carry anything larger than a pair of glasses around to access it. But even then, a pair of classes is less of a than burden carrying a cellphone, so there's potential for relatively easy adoption *if* they can provide non-gaming, non-gimmicky real world usage. But again, expectation matters. If your job is for people to watch you play video games or if you're a console gamer that sees VR as the next big thing in gaming, then of course you're going to be disappointed by anything XR related that's not going in that direction. But if your goal is to push the overall XR technology to the point of mass adoption, you absolutely have to push this sort of thing more than your gaming device - even if your gaming device is what's profitable at the moment. EDIT: edited for spelling and some elaboration.

[@trumplostlol3007]

Google has been developing AR for a couple of years now. Quest pro is just a bulky version of Google Glass. No one will wear a 733 gram Quest pro and walk around in public. Neither home business, nor gaming, nor social networking requires AR. So, what is the future for AR? You first need to think about the real applications of AR; otherwise, it is nothing more than something that looks cool. Yeah, shopping in Walmart while playing with an unreal VR dragon. LOL

[@baughjaughes5104]

Not sure what you meant by Microsoft bending the knee to Meta, how does Microsoft collaborating with Mete mean they have been outplayed?

[@dtz1000]

If Quest Pro didn't suck then the Meta share price wouldn't be dropping like it is. The market gets it even if some people here don't. It sucks.

[@hou942]

At this point I could care less what they do with the hardware. I got a quest 1, upgraded immediately to the quest 2 and the same problem exists now that did when the 1 came out, lack of top notch software. I will not upgrade again based on only a 1/2 dozen great games coming out per year (how many differ per user, this is my opinion). Whether it's stand alone or PC based (pc for me 90% +) the triple A titles coming out are few and far between, even games that are meant to be huge titles have came up short, cheers.

[@Christineeve]

It sucks that I cannot yet buy it on Amazon so I can pay in four installments.

[@allowambeBOWWAMB]

What disappoints is the low resolution and graphics

[@PublicBurrito]

I hope to see something like Meta Connect created specifically for the gaming side of things. On an unrelated note I just picked up the Reverb G2 for super cheap. Like $290 with military discount. I have a quest already but I'm really excited to play through HL Alyx again and play some sims. Maybe hop in Skyrim again.

[@FXV56]

Woah omg , new?

[@PublicBurrito]

@@FXV56 yup, brand new from the HP store. $350 if you don't have military/first responder discount.

[@FXV56]

@@PublicBurrito that's a really nice thing from HP honestly , congrats!

[@harmleyten4]

I hope they updated the software, I never use the HP reverb g2, after level 3 in half life textures wouldn't load properly. Not even talking about the crashes i had with that device, paid 800 euros for

[@PublicBurrito]

@@harmleyten4 sounds like they came out with a major update for it. We will see. I watched some reviews after the update so I think it will be worth the discounted price. I mostly looking forward to the increased clarity.

[@mikeleah321]

Love this video, finally a KZbinr who understands that to massively adopt XR, it needs to gain the support of other industries and not just gaming, I’ve heard a lot of “connect isn’t for US anymore” and it’s sad that people are alienating themselves without understanding that any advancement now will make its way to the quest 3 and beyond, cheers mate, was a good video

[@dathyr1]

LOL!!!! I like your title description Eric. Your Title says it all about the Pro. Watched several videos from other reviewers and for the gaming world, disappointed in this VR headset. I think ZUKERBURG doesn't care for gaming VR headsets or gamers, just his stupid META world. Will everything go wireless now, and display port connections be eliminated with new VR headsets for the PC. I think that kind of forces us the need to buy the fastest hardware and graphics cards to run wireless because of the compression, etc. I guess Time shall Tell. Thanks for your information. Take care.

[@johnsblendorio6568]

should be cheaper .way to high for someone to maybe like it or on the fence. i also remember ps2 PS3 ps4 jumps and it was so amazing . also agree that vr is stagnated probably for the next 5 years its peaked for now and wish they would stop focusing on ar or keep it completely separate from the gaming side

[@infiniteblink]

Im more interested in your opinion of connect, compared to the actual event...🤣😂😅🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Wooskii1]

I'm not disappointed (I just watched some highlights) because I wasn't excited to begin with, it was pretty much what I was expecting. Also, if we don't get generational leaps how many years (or decades) until "full dive"? I don't think it's gonna happen in our lifetimes, we need to get off the "Bullet Hype Train" and enjoy the cool stuff that's out right now. More games would be nice tho.

[@Dark370-]

should have made it focused on both gaming and company's because gamers are a majority of the market

[@liquid_shadow8690]

QLCD displays. Hard pass for me. Next HMD i get must have a OLED. Rumors say valve may be working on an OLED display.

[@wumba1635]

While i want to like the quest Pro for the business aspects, there are alot of short comings the main one being the battery life to short. If they were going after something like that it needed to be comparable to a work pc price but if i wanted to go the AR route for work, at the moment i would buy a mini pc and pair it with something like the NReal or Rokaid smart glasses, that way you would have longer battery life and heat sink would not be on your head. In total it would only be about 900 so it would be alot cheaper and would allow you to fully work a day in AR. But it is good to see a company trying to create a headset that isnt only focused at gaming to try to bring a larger audience in. For myself i was a bit to hopeful we would see a quest 3 but maybe next year :,( although it means i definitly have to buy a new controller before that happens.

[@Bos_Meong]

sep-oct 2023.

[@PaperWill]

How long does the battery last?

[@rmzzz76]

I don't think Microsoft "bended the knee". I think they are expanding their reach. Their value is in their software products, that can run on multiple devices to increase its market share.... Meta never said the Microsoft partnership was exclusive, I expect they will port Teams to every successful XR product.... The leaks could be gotten under control if Meta really cared. It's remarkable how open they have been with wha they are working on... The hype build up to an unknown reveal of a product has been a successful, I'd say critical marketing strategy in the past and I think they are just testing the waters to see if that's still of value..... The future of XR is bright, it's just Meta's role in it will probably diminish.... Apple will have the great high-end product for general business, get-stuff-done in XR, Quest Pro will also serve this purpose, but will compete against the Pico 4 Pro, which will have an almost identical spec, rumored to be around $1k. I see Pico 4 coming to the US market before Quest 3 and stealing some of its thunder, a superior spec at a lower price.... Meta's first party OS and apps will have to keep proving their value.

[@SteveKnows]

how can you say this, its the greatest device ever to be created! A great price with great features!

[@dh0rn680]

Lmfao. Best joke I’ve heard all day

[@quadzilla3326]

1 to 2 hours of battery life on the controllers is what really sold me on the device. Definitely next generation

[@grimlockarts8386]

@@quadzilla3326 I'm not finding info on controller battery life. You sure that isn't just for the headset?

[@quadzilla3326]

@@grimlockarts8386Steve knows did a video on it and MRTV did a video on it where he probably mentioned it 20 times. 1 to 2 hours of controller battery life.

[@grimlockarts8386]

@@quadzilla3326 How would he know, he only got to demo it for a short time. They didn't let him take it home to do any real testing.