Quick-fire Jehovah's Witness Apologetics - Round Two

Dijana and I continue our experiment of attempting to recreate an authentic exchange between a believing Jehovah's Witness and an apostate with a series of quick-fire apologetics for which I've received no prior notice.
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[@Naaoomz]

Not relevant to the topic at hand but I am just amazed everytime at how beautiful the two of you look together. It can't be easy to meet in a religion and leave together, going through so many changes as a couple and as an individual. I applaud the both of you on the communication skills and patience something like that requires. Also you have a wonderful family and the sweetest daughters, I send my love to all of you.

[@k7450]

@@annabizaro-doo-dah this didn't age well 😂

[@cherylseebreth328]

Diana, so so so happy to see you presenting with your husband. Your accent is beautiful. The both of you are beautiful.

[@SheilaTrueLove]

And because they are NOT PERFECT they should NOT be DESTROYING FAMILIES and RELATIONSHIPS the way they do. Due to their IMPERFECTION they have caused so many people to lose their LIVES. They've DESTROYED so many HUMAN BEINGS and CAREERS. How can they make up for that?

[@MiguelRodriguez-ok9rb]

They can't and won't do it all apostate must get together to put in end to the gb members false teaching and piss poor leadership we had enough of crap its time it to end now.

[@wetworms.]

"Jehooba was guiding us soz" - them, probably

[@s.j.shetler761]

So nice to see you Dijana (and Lloyd)! Dijana did such a great job as the "JW voice". It's almost like she's done this before. :) Love this segment. Congrats on the 100K subscribers! So exciting that you have hit this milestone.

[@geraldlindgren4173]

AMEN

[@Cristofori4281]

Dijana could have been playing the part of a Mormon apologist and not changed a single word. As Lloyd pointed out one of the biggest flaws in most apologetics is the fact that they have to shift the goal posts until they can apply to any religion or conspiracy.

[@donniebgood1486]

Your avatar is my favorite Simpsons episode

[@filipolorenzo7910]

Luke 1:and you are to name him Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God (""LORD God"") WILL GIVE HIMM the throne of David his father. Revelation 3:21 To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down with MY FATHER on HIS THRONE.

[@filipolorenzo7910]

@@visearms5774 I feel sorry for everyone like you

[@filipolorenzo7910]

@@visearms5774 “When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod, and the slave dies under his abuse, the owner must be punished.

[@filipolorenzo7910]

@@visearms5774 Israel when to slavery for worshipping idiols but Jehovah gave them a ton of warning, how do you expect a perfect world doing eveything wrong?

[@thedemysticist6730]

It's hilarious that Watchtower feels the need to build a huge movie studio when Lloyd & family can debunk all of the propaganda from this economical and efficient "bunker."

[@Lovealwayswins1]

I think we should build Lloyd his own Hollywood....Ex jws can all come together and work for free.....I'd do it.....Croatia isn't that far away......He can make movies about unicorns....or whatever he wants. Lets go Lloyd get 150000 subs....we will buy you some scotch......!!!

[@AlteredGoat]

I honestly think their going to make their own version of PureFlix

[@angeliavalencia2470]

I am not JW, but I enjoy the Watchtower just because the are relative to day to day situations. I don't like that they will blatantly state "In this version" of the bible.....meaning revisions to suit their criteria.

[@craftyazshabbyshacjude3297]

You are Both an Inspiration, and well loved by us all here. You Dijana are a stunner. Love both your sweaters. Love these series. Huge Hugs to you both

[@ResearchThis]

Here, here

[@iamnotjojo1]

This is my new favorite series in the channel. Love it!

[@Angie-ht2gi]

First I just have to say how much I loved watching you both!! I really enjoyed the video and found it incredibly helpful! Can’t wait for #3!

[@catmeow333]

All it takes is a sideways glance at Dijana… LLoyd the Warrior turns to mush. 💙

[@margaretvalentine5957]

💜

[@cherylseebreth328]

Lloyd, you MUST do more like this. Loved it loved it on so many levels.

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I wanted a series of Devils Advocate videos like this for the longest time. Thanks.

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

I've always said that apologists remind me of birds: they keep hoping from branch to branch, everytime you show them a strong argument against what they said, they change the subjects again and again until you get tired and leave

[@sparklecanada0112]

The KZbin Analyst. Look up the term, "Word Salad". It applies to Narcissists, and JWs are Religious Narcissists. You are correct though. Trying to keep up with their verbal craziness can be(and often is) extremely exhausting. 😣🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

[@wetworms.]

More like word vomit.

[@monamiller4383]

Yay! Dijana is back! I love hearing her take on things. She always makes great arguments! 💜

[@josephhebert1785]

Lloyd, I do a happy dance to your theme song. On a different note you have an extraordinarily intelligent wife, and you two are in perfect sync with each other.

[@iwantedapetpanda8346]

If, as Tony Morris says, it is an imperfect organization, then the GB has absolutely no right to tell their followers to obey them 'even if it doesn't make sense'. It is not reasonable to demand blind obedience while at the same time admitting imperfection.

[@outtadarkness1970]

Touché! Great point!

[@Lovealwayswins1]

I wanted a pet panda too.....I'm sorry...I hope you get one someday....hilarious!

[@HSGAutomotive]

I’ve alluded to it before, but I find the most difficult part of speaking to current witnesses to be that 99% of their answers are variants of burying their head into the sand. Much like their own approach to preaching work, you can only change the mind of someone who’s “heart” is open to change.

[@goldni4429]

It’s the apostate theocratic ministry school!

[@daniellemoseley6007]

I would definitely sign up for that school!! Fer sure!!!

[@fourthgirl5028]

This would be a great workshop. How to respond: POMO vs. PIMI

[@ericisawesome5725]

LOVE that she can't get through the arguments without laughing 🤣 Shows how silly the beliefs are -- my wife burst into laughter while telling our toddler the story of Adam and Eve where the snake talks😯😂 that was the last time bible stories were told to our child, and we left the cult right after

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

Oh but there is also a donkey that talks, and a bush that talks, even the sky talked once.

[@yadabub]

"God moves in mysterious ways" was a part of the reason that I left the Catholic church. "I don't know" would at least be showing some humility. On the other hand, I was told by a JW elder that "there are some questions that you just don't ask," during a discussion of Genesis.

[@dreylivenow2342]

Hello to you both, happy holidays. Thank you again for all the work you put into this channel.

[@jrojala]

Yusss, a Dijana episode!

[@Excultbaby]

Dijana's impression of a believing Jehovah's Witness is infuriatingly accurate 🤣

[@stevenweissenhofer8196]

Dijana's top, does that say "let your kids believe in unicorns", and in reference/protest to Lloyd's video attempting to debunk their daughter's evidence for unicorns? 🤣

[@rosetempest2232]

Yes, and I want it too. lol

[@megancourtney9928]

I love seeing Dijana. Yall always put a smile on my face seeing yall interacting. I love your energy together. Hope to see more of her. ❤

[@ResearchThis]

Oh, I love these 💪🥰 thank you both

[@joegonzalez842]

They Should apologize for the people who have died because of the blood doctrine changes

[@joegonzalez842]

@David Clover It's crazy cause they obey one law and break other's

[@Mercury688]

Yay! Been waiting for this one

[@gailcullinan]

Very clever ... Great video. Oh dear G-d. How can an organisation be perfect if it is run by imperfect people??? It is a crazy premise. Crazy

[@ariapryor5996]

How about when they use the prodigal son scripture to justify shunning? And now the GB says that those who left the org should be viewed as dead.

[@kelleydennis2817]

Great to see you together and I loved the dialog btwn you. I have heard EVERY word said here.

[@cooperjackson4348]

You guys are so cute 😍. Truly appreciate the work you do.

[@iamyoutoo1]

Adorable too, Lol

[@ethenrhoades4092]

YESS!! i always look forward to seeing your videos in the morning from the US. Today is extra special! I love this series!

[@gailstifler9708]

I love it when you two are on together !!!! Great job !!!

[@phoenixchick5088]

😍I love the 🦄 sweater!

[@Slackbot]

You two are such a cute couple.

[@hugomartinez8846]

Beautiful wife, awesome channel! If your channel has been able to prevent at least one person from falling into the claws of the governing body or awaken a current member of the JW organization to the point of escaping it, all your great efforts have not been in vain. I'm a hardcore follower of yours. Keep up your excellent work!

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

That first question was a hard one!!!! Dijana was ruthless! Well done, Dijana.

[@anitaknights3472]

Love seeing you guys work together, Dijana you crack me up 😁 thanks guys x

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

In the Catholic church, we used to say "the church is like a mother to me, she might have made mistakes, but she's still my mother". It's a wonderful way to avoid accountability for any of the culprits. Also, it forgets the "you will know them by their fruits" thing.

[@amymurray]

I love seeing Dijana join you in these videos, Lloyd! I would love to see the two of you discussing the patriarchy of the cult, especially getting her perspective on how JWs treat women, the impossible expectations they place on women, especially when it comes to being in an abusive relationship.

[@rachel8623]

"We go door to door" is a particularly bad argument given all the other door-to-door missionary types I've run into - when I lived in the US South I got TONS of Baptist types, for example, besides the Mormons and JWs.

[@paulbinns9375]

@Rachel However, in most of the developed world, if you ask a random person. ‘If there is an unexpected knock at your front door , who do you immediately imagine it might be ?’ The answer is usually Jehovah Witnesses. Good to hear about the other groups doing it too though.

[@visearms5774]

@@paulbinns9375 I don't actually agree with that statement. Do you actually have a study that you did to determine that, or are you just relating some sort of anecdote? Have you made notes of every time someone knocked on your door keeping track of who it was? And even if it were true it would just be a random factoid that wouldn't mean anything. How popular a belief is or how frequently someone knocks on your door to share that belief has absolutely nothing to do with it being true or not.

[@rachel8623]

@@paulbinns9375 You're happy that they bugged me in my own home? (Past tense because I haven't had anybody from any group drop by for years.) I'm not. Trying to invade my privacy isn't going to make me reconsider my religious beliefs!

[@HeliRy]

“You’ve done it again and made me lose my train of thought…” That perfectly highlights the most difficult part of debating apologetics. The constant gaslighting.

[@ms.anonymousinformer242]

That's why write each topic down and make it a discussion rule with the other person ( in advance) that only one topic is discussed before moving onto the next.

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

Dijana missed the opportunity to say "you don't understand these things because your faith is weak, you need to pray and repent".

[@tiadiad]

Incredible couple. The first time Dijana appeared on the show I was amazed at their chemistry, and wondered to myself, what would James's wife think of this? Turns out they are married. Very heartwarming how well these two gel together. Love is in the air.

[@grannykiminalaska]

As my dad used to say " I was wrong once, I thought I had made a mistake, but I hadn't. " That's how the jw makes mistakes

[@rayfranz233]

Follow our direction even if it doesnt make sense in a human stand point or you dont understand= Blind faith

[@jabboaken]

Dijanas answers give me creeps... She said exactly everything that my PIMI mother said to me number off times...

[@margaretvalentine5957]

I know, she is such a good actress! Reminded me of the horrid interactions I’ve ever had with JW’s!! So creepy!!!

[@AM.I.INACOMA]

Dijana killing the role of an active JW again! & as someone who has serious on camera anxiety, thank you very much for making these appearances 🤙🏻

[@HeliRy]

Here’s a legitimate question I once asked of a JW: If your religion really is the “truth”… why did it only surface at the end of the 19th century, and in Pittsburg of all places? Why did Jehovah wait nearly two full millennia to reveal himself and his true light, all the while allowing tens of thousands of different denominations of Christianity to falsely stand and spread untruths around the world? If the Jehovah’s Witness religion really is the word of the one true god, not only should it be the oldest form of Christianity… it should be the oldest religion on Earth. But it’s neither, and it’s one of the newest branches of Christianity practiced today. The reply I got was interesting (and historically hilarious) but I’d love to hear how you come at it.

[@MJBsays]

That was fun! Always lovely to see Dijana too. The argument of the perfect org run by imperfect people always made me laugh even when I was a JW. Even in blatantly imperfect, secular organisations there is better transparency and accountability, so they're telling us that 'god's one true organisation' can't be at the very least as transparent and accountable as a secular one? The Moses example was great, and in fact there are more examples in the old testament of people who were used by God and when they messed up they were held accountable. I think bringing 2-3 examples, one after the next, would drive the point more effectively as it is hard to argue the pattern. In the old testament stories, those people didn't get away with whatever they did, they faced consequences. Heck, the whole history of the nation of Israel is one example after the next of being held accountable for their actions, so how come the tune has changed with this organisation? I thought he was a god of justice and truth 🤔

[@cindys9491]

Re: the argument at 11:00 that "this is a test whether we...are loyal (to Jehovah) and do what we're told..." How do you know it's him?

[@patrick9571]

"its the best imperfect organization" i would argue. "Okay, to know that, you have to compare it to other organizations to know it's the best. Both on the good and bad things. Have you done that?"

[@unaiwizenhiemer2607]

I like how you provide facts and she responses with "God moves in mysterious ways" "new light" "be faithful" "trust in the governing body" Ive been in for 26 years and out for about 7 now and I know It's extremely tough to Crack that thick mental shell... I've been talking with elders about what I've learn from your channel. The first elder couldn't handle it so he handed me off to a more spiritual strong elder haha. I'm now on a 2 week appointments with this guy, talking philosophy and such. I'm actually overwhelmed with joy after he told me that I'm making him think.

[@Isabel-wy7wk]

Love watching the two of you

[@linzrojo]

She is so right I remember having just random questions and whenever it was a deep question the answer was always well Jehovah reveals everything in his own time , it isn’t for us to know ,and for a little razzle dazzle they’d throw in a we as humans wouldn’t be able to understand

[@Angie-ht2gi]

Exactly !!!

[@saffronhammer7714]

"Jehovah used King David and he was shit, so anyone can be used by God if He chooses." Every christian ever.

[@cindys9491]

Anyone can be used by God to lead, except a woman or a person of ethnicities they don't like, they mean. They had no problem with God "anointing" *45. But they thought Obama was some sort of boogie man and God couldn't use him. Smh.

[@MiguelRodriguez-ok9rb]

Salmon i can agree with your comments on that.

[@markweatherill]

After part 3, I request Dijana acts out the part where she explains to her zoom friends how well she defeated Lloyd's ridiculous claims and really schooled him. Poor guy, his apostate lies didn't stand a chance!

[@dv6509]

This is my first time watching the quick-fire session. Brilliant!

[@fourthgirl5028]

Dijana you rock! You used the exact arguments and rebuttals. Yes, they sound roundabout, but those are their scripts they fall on when they but a dead end in their responses. Great job!

[@LauraOttawa]

How about: Jehovah controls the weather to help JWs, like when he made some sand wash up to be used in a building project, haha. That was one of the more ridiculous things I've heard.

[@ResearchThis]

I always hear " I don't follow men, this is the only way I can serve Jehovah,, where else can I worship jehovah?"

[@cygnustsp]

Yep, it's like flat earthers, "I don't know the exact shape of the earth, but I know it can't be a globe!"

[@valeriediaz82]

I love Dijana’s hoodie. My JW MIL always has a problem with my 14 month old daughter’s unicorn 🦄 shirts and toys. But she attends and participates in birthday parties and still curses 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

[@sbt1878]

When a witness says we all need control and morality in our life other wise it be out of control and the orginization does that. Ilustration they use: when you drive your car there has to be rules or stop signs ect if there was not any do you think we would be able to drive properly with out being harm. Is the same way God uses orginazation to help us live a well life. My uncle told me this a while back when I left. Can u added to the question would like to know how to answer just incase they say the same thing.

[@freedomparadisechick6564]

I love this videos with Dijana!!☺️👍

[@anonymousprofessor8866]

Outstanding video!!! A critical thinking question I would like you both to address to JWs is. Why are JWs not allowed to study information outside of the organization? If the religion is "The Truth" there would be no reason for this as Truth remains Truth regardless of the scrutiny.

[@yvonnebuckland4856]

Someone said to me the other day religion causes lots of problems etc then said Jesus wasn't religious he came to earth to tell people about our heavenly father she then said religious leaders put him to death .

[@raeroms9589]

Lloyds theme song is some dopamine dump for me. Always gets me. Well done Lloyd. Much love ❤️

[@lukedygert1256]

PTSD all over the place w her arguments… like smashing our head on a wall 🤣 Very realistic

[@siggimad1219]

Lloyd, you are right! JW's are not preaching everywhere around the world to all nations and tongues. There are numerous indigenous people who are protected by national law, where no modern human society’s is allowed to approach them. The case of that Christian fundamentalist preacher who got killed on that island in the Indian Ocean, a couple of years ago, caused me to do research. JW’s will never be able to preach to them or even to erect a KDH there with Internationals. ;-) Bible scripture Matth. 24:14 “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come” is disproved

[@Pehmu]

How come smoking a cigarette is a disfellowshipping offence for the rank and file members, but the whole ARC mess can be dismissed with the argument of the leadership simply being a group of "imperfect people"? If appealing to imperfection is a valid defense for getting caught for protecting child molesters, why doesn't the same defense apply when the rank and file members get caught for lesser sins/crimes? Bonus question: What would the Governing Body have to do for you to think they've crossed the line? Is there a line they can cross?

[@wendyh2708]

I know Dijana prefers to be behind the scenes. However, Dijana, it's lovely to see you from time to time , so thank you

[@NineOneOneFx]

4:45 ... Dijana and Lloyd trying their very best not to laugh at this nonsense, but then at 5:06 the bull$%^ is so obvious that both break character! LOL 😂

[@freethinker2964]

How can it be spirit direct, if they themselves are saying that they are not inspired? It doesn't make any sense

[@susanneelisabethbiarinec6082]

And not forgetting big banners on their platforms at big assemblies in 1974 about the end in 1975

[@sarahlee9320]

Beautiful couple. Thank you Dijana for talking the time to help with this video that we all enjoyed I can just imagine how busy you may be with the girls.

[@ShortSkullAnimation]

Congratulations on 100k!! :)

[@monamiller4383]

PS - my mother actually became a JW BECAUSE her priest in the Catholic church would only say "God works in mysterious ways" when she'd ask her many questions! She said it was the witness at her door who could finally give her the answers. Ugh

[@JemyjoanBraidsBeauty]

I can identify with you mom, however knowing jws always have a user friendly version of their message at your door you mom didn’t know that they can answer some of her questions BUT she dares not question their answers in the long run!

[@lightblackmoth3541]

You're both so fun to watch😁❤️ my question for the next round would be what my (JW) dat thinks: the organisation might not be 100% right but what if it really is Jehovah's right organisation and what if armageddon is really coming soon? He doen't openly disagree with them or quits out of being on the 'safe side'. What would you say to someone like that?

[@kellyfisher8591]

Thanks for doing what you do I was brought up and Never got baptized but stopped my studies because it's so bad thank you 💕

[@dillfunk89]

i’m a 17 year old jw, when i was younger i would always ask my mom why Jehovah let’s do many bad things happen, and she would always say that he has to prove to the angels and humans that satan isn’t capable of ruling this system

[@cherylseebreth328]

Conner, that stupid response takes the cake. Will you alloww bad things to happen to your children simply because you want to prove something to your exwife? I am sure not. They always make god look like an evil fool who does not know what he is doing.

[@lauracatlin3756]

Omg they said that at every cart I crashed before covid got them off the streets. Rehearsed answers cause they can't think logically for themselves

[@ronjohnson4566]

well, about the punishment from the elders predicting stuff. of course, the punishment should be shunning. the entire population of JWs should shun the offers.. and of course that is the governing body.

[@hrh4961]

The REAL reason the Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 years: Because even back then, men wouldn't ask directions. (Thank you, Elayne Boosler.)

[@kimmychong7029]

My mom said, well where else are you going to go? Become an atheist? That’s where I am. But I just didn’t tell her that. She was pushing to know what my hang up was, I said it was how child abuse reporting has been directed. I told her people have been disfellowshipped for reporting it to the police. She said she didn’t believe that. I said, it doesn’t matter that you don’t believe that because it has happened. I’m sure the people it has happened to, believe it. But you can’t even read anything to find out if that is true. I asked if something happened to my daughter and she came to me about it. What is the 1st thing I should do. She said she didn’t know. I say why wouldn’t I take her to the hospital immediately and call the police? Why is that not stated in the watchtower? If it is, show me. Show me any direction from the gb on this topic and I will read it all.

[@johndogwater]

These are fun, if only current witnesses would do this with former members it'd be good for everyone. I'd like to see a bit more of a dig-down on the subject of god knowing peoples hearts and where faith and loyalty come from if they're not inspired by evidence, and if they are - what is that evidence.

[@lynncarter4964]

There's always the old fallback when the JW knows you're right: "I'm not here to debate with you." It's hilarious. They say it so often!

[@anndessert-webb7590]

Your wife is beautiful ❤️ and your eyes are sparkling when you look at her

[@catherinesaba3062]

What about the scripture that says search the scriptures daily to see wether you are in the truth ...something like this

[@jimmyb3158]

"This is the best imperfect organization on earth" - Couldnt this argument be used by any organization on the planet today? Do you honestly think that the Mormon Church will point to the JW's and say, "you know, if you are looking for the best imperfect organization on earth, you need to go to them." Of course not, they would and likely have used the exact same logic pointing to their own organization as the best.

[@huejazz6939]

You got to know when to hold them, Know when to fold them, Know when to walk away, Know when to leave an awake magazine

[@juliehigbee7398]

Argument: time is nothing to Jehovah, just wait. We humans are nothing in the grand scheme of time.

[@gamom1]

I absolutely love Dijana in your videos, I hope she will be willing to do more videos, because I love her arguments and ( jw) opinions

[@alasdairwhyte6616]

jehovah couldn't even write a coherent bible, and he made everybody, so he already knows what's every bodies heart: life is not test; it's solely for gods amusement.

[@lindaturner5929]

Dijana is brave, I wouldn’t want to go up against Lloyd! Way to go girl!

[@mailill]

Cool sweaters! I really like the unicorn message!

[@JohnDoeSchmoe]

I would say 'How could you even tell where the imperfect people end and the perfect organization begins? There's no way of telling that the organization is perfect, when there's no actual example of perfection that you could point to' (that couldn't easily be debunked).

[@billgates2524]

Question for Dianna to ask: "when people pray for god to reveal himself and then the Jehovah's witnesses knock on the door later that day, this proves that Jehovah is guiding us. Also when a brother or sister can't afford their rent for the month, but then they get an envelope through the door with just the right amount of money that they need, this can't be a coincidence, it has to be that Jehovah is using the brothers and sisters."

[@cherylseebreth328]

Ever saw 'That was Epic?' They give persons rental money all the time.

[@jimmyb3158]

I dont remember this being covered in the two apologetics episodes so far but I have gotten this one from my wife and my PIMI father recently. "I serve god, not men" or "I follow what the bible says, not men."

[@johnmichael5442]

“What other religion uses the name Jehovah?”

[@Confusediam2]

None,only freemasons have the same god jehovah.

[@georgesotiroff5080]

Dear John Michael, As far as I know only Christians utter the name Jehova. I believe that Jews refrain from uttering the name of God.