Quinacridone Gold Watercolor: Unveiling The Legacy Brand Comparison!

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

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[@ksha8586]

I like the Daniel Smith best and I was impressed with American Journey. Thank you for your swatches so much. I am coming back to watercolor after 35 years and there are many kinds of paints now that we didn’t have then. You are very thorough and complete. Thank you!😊

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@ksha8586 Thank you! I am glad you found it helpful 🥰

[@araleighstudios7880]

Thank you for this swatching comparison!

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

Your welcome ❤

[@KennethHarrison-w8d]

Daniel Smith won the test but the others have promise !

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@KennethHarrison-w8d agreed 👍 I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the brands!

[@SomethingImpromptu]

Haha just for the record, PO48 (Quinacridone Burnt Orange) is now no longer in production either. 😢 That is a precious collection of beloved paints you’ve got right there that won’t be available any more as they sell out & go fully extinct, so cherish them & don’t waste them. Very sad, because Q. Gold was an absolute favorite of mine, & the PO48+PY150 was a good replacement formula. I haven’t tried the newer ones, many of which aren’t even quinacridone based (I think most were an Azo yellow mixed with some kind of reds or violets or something to give them the earthy appearance, but from the swatches I’ve seen they don’t look that similar to the original version or the previous replacement formula. It’ll probably still technically be possible to get a hold of some of the previous incarnations of Quin Gold for a while, but you already have to pay extravagant rates for them, so for the average person who can’t blow the cost of several tubes of paint on a single one, it’s largely out of reach (not a bad gift idea for an artist who loves Quin Gold, because it’s possible to get but just expensive enough that it’s hard to rationalize seeking out & buying if they’re struggling to pay for other materials- I’d certainly be psyched to receive even a small tube of it). There have been quite a few pigments going “extinct” recently, though many of them for defensible reasons. Often it’s just that they have fugitive lightfastness & there are more permanent alternatives… A lot of people are sad about Alizarin Crimson going away, understandably (it has a beautiful color appearance). However, Alizarin Crimson used in historical paintings is already fading, & there are actually a lot of ways of achieving similar colors with MUCH better lightfastness. Anthraquinone Red is a nice substitute. There are a number of reds you can mix with pthalo green to neutralize them to a nice crimson reminiscent of Alizarin, but with much better lightfastness. If you want a more opaque version, Pyrrol Red (PR254) + Pthalo Green is great, & an advantage is that since you’re mixing two colors you get a whole spectrum of options & can go as red or as muted as you want rather than just whatever Alizarin Crimson Permanent hue you happen to get in a tube… If you want something more transparent, substituting a more transparent (but still lightfast) red of a similar medium temperature should work, & will be very transparent since Pthalo Green is too. Cobalt Violet also went away due to material availability (cobalt mining is pretty dreadful anyway, so not necessarily a bad thing if less is happening when there are other perfectly good violets to mix). But Quin Gold & Quin Burnt Orange are frustrating, because they’re synthetic- we could be making them; it’s just that they were invented/discovered for use in the auto industry, & when they went out of fashion as car colors, demand dropped enough that they just said “screw the artists who love this pigment,” & stopped producing them on an industrial scale. I hope someone starts again; I’m not sure if it just requires very expensive lab equipment to manufacture these particular molecules on a mass scale or what, that prevents someone from seizing upon the opportunity on a smaller scale yo fill the void by producing it & selling it to all the paint companies, who surely have a readymade market for Quin Gold paints… But afaik that hasn’t happened yet, or at least hasn’t filtered back into distribution on any significant scale yet, if it’s underway somewhere. I got lucky & stocked up on a small amount of Quin Burnt Orange & Quin Burnt Orange replacement formula Quin Gold hue, though just a couple of tubes/small bottles. I recently came across one remaining PO48+PY150 version in Golden High Flow acrylic, but the art stores in my area sold out of the fluid acrylic version (except the new replacement “Azo Gold”) very quickly.

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@SomethingImpromptu you have a lot of knowledge about these pigments. I love the PO 48 and know it is going away ☹️ I love it in Daniel Smith’s Sap green so I stocked up on that. I think Daniel Smith will come up with some good formulations. I wanted a PO 49 but I just can’t justify paying $200 on EBay for a rare tube.

[@alisonhendry2928]

Wow loved all of this info some that I heard about and some not 7:57 and agree with you how sad it is. Quin burnt orange too??? Noooooo! I did not stock up. Now I am super sad, especially since artists keep suffering because of car manufacturers. I wish there could be a new small startup willing to cater just to artists. There is a market, but not sure how profitable and that’s what drives businesses. Ahh to have a tube of PO 49 again… thanks for all the mixing ideas too ❤

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@alisonhendry2928 I would love a tube of PO 49 too☹️

[@ivypearl3895]

Great info. What do you think of Perylene Maroon (PR149) as an Alizarin Crimson alternative?

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@ivypearl3895 I haven’t tried Perylene Maroon 😱🫢 I will have to compare those in the future! I will order it!

[@CharlesCherryWatercolors]

What was the brand of sketchbook? I stocked up on WN quin gold before they sold out. I bunch of 37 mil tubes 😂

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@CharlesCherryWatercolors it was the bee watercolor sketchbook hundred percent cotton

[@ivypearl3895]

Quinacridone Gold is one of my favorite colors of all time. It’s just beautiful and it glows. I have only used PO49. I’ll be sad when I run out. These other pigments just can’t capture the true beauty of it to me. I use acrylics by the way.

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@ivypearl3895 it does glow! Maybe you can find a good mix. It will be hard though!

[@marmyyetter5674]

I have Daniel Smith Quinacridone Gold, but I haven't had much of a chance to use it yet.

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@marmyyetter5674 It’s a beautiful color 💛

[@BrendaKnoll]

Holbein

[@DeniseSmithCreative]

@@BrendaKnoll yes! That one is nice 👍