Ultimate Guide to Dune (Part 3) Book Two

Each novel in the Saga following original Dune deals with the effects of Paul’s impact on the galaxy, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, and God Emperor of Dune most of all. At the Start of Messiah, we are immediately faced with problems surrounding Paul's Rule of the Imperium. Dune Messiah opens with a recorded interrogation between a Fremen priest and a historian named Bronso, who has been labeled a “heretic” and sentenced to death, for his accurate writings on emperor Paul Muad’Dib. 12 years have passed since the events of Dune.
At this point in time, Paul Atreides rules from Arrakis as Emperor of the Imperium. Though Paul is the most powerful Emperor ever, he is still incapable of stopping the lethal religious excesses of the juggernaut he has created. The Jihad has been unleashed and it has conquered most of the known universe. 61 billion people have died so far due to Paul’s decision to become the messiah of the Fremen people. But according to Paul’s vision, this is nowhere close to the worst possible outcome for humanity. It is in Dune Messiah that Paul begins the Golden Path. A complex and perilous plan to set humanity on a course that will not lead to its eventual stagnation and extinction, at the same time Paul must balance this with his duties as the ruler of the Galactic Empire and the Center of the Fremen religion.
At the same time, other forces are at work in the galaxy and they are becoming impatient with the new status quo. Several forces are at work and conspire together to undo Paul Atreides and reverse the events that led to his ascension to the throne, these forces include the Bene Gesserit, who are vexed that they have lost control of their Kwisatz Haderach, The Princess Irulan who wishes to bare the imperial children, the spacing guild who are now under pauls control due to his control over the spice, and the Bene Tleilax, who have their own agenda, the Tleilaxu have sent the Face Dance Scytale as their representative.
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[@thecollierreport]

I think if Frank Herbert were alive today he would be honored by your treatment of his work.

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I'd like to think so as well. Sometimes artists are really irritated by other people's analysis though.

[@dirtydeez420]

No doubt. I always loved dune but know i feel connected to the story.

[@utkarsh2746]

@@KunjaBihariKrishna Critiquing someone's work, with or without a proper understanding of it, and creating a separate piece of artwork based on another are two entirely different things. When Fincher or Kubrick adapt someone else's story they deliberately try to do their own version of it but try and interpret Fincher's movies and bore him with a misguided "analysis" and he will eviscerate you. Looking for an artists' approval simply by virtue of being a fan is a misguided exercise in any case.

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That blind crysknife throw in the finale is hands down, 10/10, one of the most bad ass hero moves in any fiction.

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Just read that part for the first time. Absolutely epic.

[@Tetarkall]

Psychically using your newborn baby’s eyes to make a perfect shot because you’re blind is pretty spectacular lmao

[@fredjones554]

Solid gold

[@jessewilliams1830]

When I first watched IdeasOfIceAndFire's Dune pieces, I assumed they were professionally written and narrated. When I discovered this is not the case, I was astounded. This young man is amazing, I am grateful for such eloquent retelling of the best science fiction stories ever written.

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Surely he scriptted these ? Its completely amazing if he did but got if he didnt it would be another lvl...

[@kwabenajohnson6970]

I thought the same thing his voice is powerful and stern, paints a epic picture .

[@silversrayleigh8980]

'professional' is concept of intelligent group consensus

[@blacklite911]

@@silversrayleigh8980 kinda interesting though, one can match the skill of a “professional” but it’s not really confirmed unless they’ve either gone some kind of training/confirmation process or they’ve been paid for their services. I think over the course of this channel, we’ve witness the process of the making of a professional. He may not have started out as one, but he is now

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

I genuinely throught it was promotional material at first. So well done.

[@cooperlane7147]

The chapter where Paul loses his vision to the stoneburner and continues issuing orders assuredly and without hesitation is so badass and is very possibly my favorite moment in all 6 books

[@joeywall4657]

I'm a truck driver, and I'm having a great time listening to your videos! It helps my day go by a lot faster and they keep me interested. Thank you very much for putting these together and sharing with us.

[@frankzappa951]

@Joey Wall Well said my man.

[@prophet8087]

4 years later and I’m listening while delivering pizzas lol

[@thrash208]

Do you read or do audiobooks? Must be hard to find the time to read when a truck driver id be exausted after driving so many hours.

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👍👍☝️. I love seeing comments like this. And I agree, it helps me in a similar way. And it keeps us glued in and DEF speeds up time. Quinn has done an amazingly beautiful job and deserves all the recognition and success he has and is enjoying! It's amazing!!

[@mattgilbert7347]

Paul and Alia are genuinely terrifying in this book. The trial of Korba is masterful.

[@timhenley3602]

Yes, they are. One really can't blame the Fremen for thinking that they were gods.

[@nightlydrugs6927]

Man there is some freaking amazing Dune artwork out there.

[@666kingdrummer]

Dune isn't just science fiction, its a true work of art.

[@andrewmcnally3333]

i especially like the artwork of paul sitting on a throne with his knee up and the rendition of his face after losing his eyes!

[@triggeredbeetle5370]

@@andrewmcnally3333 i love that one too!

[@JimmyJammy97]

bro... this level of quality

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Your picture is hillarious!

[@ChristmasLore]

It's like mini movies!

[@georgeashley6643]

I’ve started watching each part as I finish each book. It’s quickly become my favourite KZbin channel

[@alexclarke152]

That’s why he’s got a YT creator award

[@shahbazsheikh3545]

Poor Alia - Imagine being a person but not an individual. Longing for love and acceptance as a human but only getting fear and loathing as an abomination. All thanks to mom-of-the-year Lady Jessica. With Alia's story, maybe Frank Herbert was pointing towards some toxic parents and how they ruin their kid's future trying to push them into things favorable only to them.

[@wakemeup9343]

It brings to mind many children of world leaders and famous people who are hidden from the public eye, yet raised and brought up to be a pawn in a political arena or an extension of their parents legacy. Like the are just a walking conduit for their families name.

[@utkarsh2746]

@@wakemeup9343 Umm I think you're talking about the theme of pre-destiny and people having their "roles" forced upon them. This trope is often represented using royalty so as to draw a contrast between something we would all want to have yet the character is forced into it. Sort of the inverse of the Hero's journey. Instead of the Hero rising above "their station in life" the Hero must learn to be their own person and reject the role they are forced into.

[@Shigawire]

A thought just dawned on me reading these comments. Having seen *thousands* of comment sections on a *myriad* of youtube videos all over the youtubes... after all that, I realize with an expletive: "Damn!", the quality of comments here are just incredible!

[@mr.wiggles8734]

Lol wow. If you read all the books you'd see lady Jessica basically was ahead of the curve. Whether she was that smart or more likely did all her deeds out of love for Duke leto; either way she prevented stagnation of humanity in the universe

[@BradCozine]

Alia's mom drank the Water of Life while she was pregnant... so what? My mom drank while she was pregnant and I turned out just fine.

[@chriswalls546]

Wow, these adverts can bring hilarious moments. Paul is feeling his knife, noticing a peculiar duality--chron's disease.

[@timhenley3602]

😂😂

[@emiliocamachoerice6380]

Your videos are like spice melange they boost our understanding are highly addictive and it feels like withdrawal without them

[@MaleTears]

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[@sounsamone]

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[@Amethyst_Friend]

Have you got the Eyes of Ibad from watching?

[@emiliocamachoerice6380]

So all the dislikes come from the bene tleilax navigators and the benegeserit

[@thedarkmaster4747]

i'd wager it'd more be guildsmen and corrinoans.

[@mariakelly5]

They're from Sardukar troops stranded on Salusa Secundus bored out of their minds.

[@Deebz270]

More likely from archaic humans [19k BG], lacking imagination or critical thinking.

[@sstillgar8814]

Yep! must be lol

[@MaleTears]

Or Star Wars fans

[@samsims4714]

For those of you who have watched or read Attack on Titan the similarities between Eren Jaeger and Paul are incredible. The concepts of free-will (or lack thereof) and having so much power yet being powerless are so interesting in both cases. For people who like Paul's character I would recommend Attack on Titan, even if you think you wouldn't like anime

[@Redtornado6]

The only problem is that in attack on titan the ending is really bad, and arguably doesn’t make any sense.

[@SolarDragon007]

I always thought Paul was more like Eren's father Grisha, and Leto II was more like Eren. Grisha gets the ball rolling but is ultimately horrified by the future he sees. Eren sees the same future, but unlike Grisha, he follows through on making it a reality, turning himself into a monster for humanity to unite against.

[@squamousthomas3267]

@@SolarDragon007holy cow dude this comment actually blew my mind. You’re absolutely right. Leto II and Eren are both monsters doing atrocities that they believe are for the greater good.

[@SolarDragon007]

@squamousthomas3267 Yeah it really struck me how many parallels to Dune there are in Attack on Titan. The whole ancestoral memory/possession idea is also in AOT with the Titan shifters passing down their memories/aspects of their personality.

[@hanchohal]

@@Redtornado6it makes perfect sense ….

[@Brandon-a-writer]

i knew this book was a different sort of book the moment when the hero from the first book looks back to Genghis Khan and Hitler while his right hand man Stilgar notes their poor murder performance compared to his own. then he literally laughs maniacally I think this book wasn't what people expected (or wanted) but something needed, taking Paul's role to its logical conclusion. great vids on a great series. In matters of power, inevitably the question is: who plays God? -Muad'dib

[@danward1999]

If you Google it: Morgan Freeman

[@archivesoffantasy5560]

Herbert really underestimated how many people Chinghis Khan killed

[@jonp3890]

Dan Ward That’s because he uses the Voice.

[@thefilmeffect6089]

This book is so damn good too. I literally just finished it today and I was blown away by it. I would love to see it put on film. It really is so different from the first book. Messiah is literally a character drama. The story is really contained and intimate and the character work is the driving force. I absolutely loved it! I also just got my copy of Children Of Dune in the mail today, so it's right on time. It's on to the next one!

[@utkarsh2746]

It was meant to be Frank Herbert's counterpoint to Asimov's Foundation series. Instead of psychohistory leading to a happy ending Frank Herbert wanted to show how Prescience would lead to the death of free will and lead to dictators.

[@rapha_spi]

This series of videos will endure and remain for years as one of the best sources to review de events of the books

[@rockingranny63]

I recieved a copy of Frank Herberts new book Dune as a Christmas present in 1965 and fell in love with the universe he created. I read the series annually ever since. I just found your series. I commend you. You have done him honour.

[@cagoenlaleche]

This book in the series will always be the darkest and more complicated for me. A true masterwork at odds with what people expected, bringing much needed questioning towards what people assume, have done, do and will still do regarding heroes, leaders and prophets. The fact that people actually complained about this book and it's outcome is the clear revelation of the deep and ingrained psyche humans have towards some special individuals that manage to shape our destinies. This book is a deliberated warning towards our nature and millennial traditional way of thinking. Awesome video, this series is so great !

[@locutusdborg126]

Well said. I agree completely.

[@adam872]

I think that's absolutely bang on. We need to be questioning those would lead us constantly.

[@1990Cornetto]

I just finished it and i was like...what did i just read?

[@sharp7j]

100% true. It's my favorite book of the series for this reason.

[@shimi3065]

Uch, completely disagree. People don't have an issue with the message about Paul becoming a tyrant, they have an issue with the book itself! You see Paul's prescience and how it unwittingly placed him at the center of a galactic bloody jihad is never properly explained. Paul insists that the path he is pursuing is better than the alternatives but we do not know what those alternatives are. And even if the point of the book was to demonstrate how it is the very existence of such immense power that causes the inevitability of such destruction, then the book did not really demonstrate this either. The book merely asserts that the atrocities were inevitable without actually showing it.

[@golgarisoul]

Oh man. I remember that scene at the end of the novel. I was floored at just how dramatic it was. So much build up and the tension was crazy.

[@sohansahoo4203]

which scene since i have yet to read dune messiah. I completed dune by the way

[@Ghiznuk]

@@sohansahoo4203 well, maybe read it then haha :)

[@VaskoBuk]

Great video. Finished "Dune Messiah" just yesterday, and I consumed your video like a melange-flavoured desert.

[@kaspersaldell]

Same here

[@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses]

Dessert you mean :p

[@georgeserban2914]

After 2 years and I just found myself in the same situation as you did.

[@javiazar]

Came here after finishing Messiah... did not disappoint. What an incredible way to say goodbye to Paul... Now, on to Children.

[@jevinday]

Wasn't that ending beautiful? I thought it was. I'm reading children of dune right now, I'm like 3/4 way through children of dune

[@Rokaize]

@@jevindayhow is it?

[@ivailoT]

Literally finished it 30 min ago, cannot put into words the way I feel. Frank Herbert is a genius. Thank god I got Children a few days ago, I need more

[@jeddy8469]

23:06 “How can Usul be base when I’m the basest thing living ?😎🔥🔥🔥” I need Peter Dinklage to say this is Dune 3

[@weirdshibainu]

Dune, 2001,Blade Runner/BR2049...these are some of my favorite things.

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

Watch interstellar

[@weirdshibainu]

@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Wasn't impressed

[@simonfernandes6809]

All great thoughtful sci fi films. I hope the new 2 partner Dune film does justice to the book.

[@Giganfan2k1]

There needs to be a "love" button when like isn't enough.

[@NoNeedtoFeedtheJudge]

Sum Arbor No doubt

[@toshiyaar7885]

AGREED!

[@Enkephalen]

“People are not gods. Gods are not government. Think for yourself and never give your faculties away to a charismatic leader.”

[@Pradeep_889]

I loved Paul's character. I'm unsure why some label him as evil. He acted in a manner typical of any normal person facing his circumstances. The occurrence of jihad was unavoidable, and it was his religious adherents who carried out the action.

[@tylerwalsh7587]

Well, I certainly wouldn’t allow 63 billion people to die just to preserve my bloodline and then just let my wife die just to hold power….

[@Pradeep_889]

@@tylerwalsh7587 If he had obstructed his followers, they would have been willing to harm him.

[@TheNord06]

​@@Pradeep_889 not sure about harming him but yeah, even scytale explicitly says he would if he could and paul does dislike the events. I've just finished the messiah and it seems to me that the person who understands paul the best is scytale.

[@lelouche25]

I think the answer to Franks question is simple. Mankind often struggles with purpose, and meaning. Charismatic figures often pose ideas and goals that give people purpose. And fulfillment knowing they are contributing to something greater to themselves.

[@qaztim11]

I can't wait until you get to god emperor, i love the themes it deals with. Dune has some serious life lessons that can be taken from it. I love the lythtani against fear

[@edgepixel8467]

Qaztim Eleven Lithany

[@suckyskiz]

@@edgepixel8467 Litany

[@edgepixel8467]

suckyskiz Point taken.

[@Bluemilk92]

The Litany, is poetic,especially the hook. My copies of Dune come from a used book store, and they often have the odd underlining of important phrases. The back-side of the cover has "Fear is the mind killer" scrawled diagonally across. I wonder if it works? It's easy to remember, but the entire litany is a bit long, and takes some practice to memorize. I just wonder if it works. Were I in *mortal* danger, could it clear my mind, help calm me, and promote logical decisions? I kind of think not. It's catchy, but I don't think it's a true way to dispel actual terror.

[@supremeworld87]

The criticism and outcry was surely the point. Dune to many was a heros story, messiah turned that on its head by revealing the absolute annihilation that had been caused Paul's assumption of the role of religious messiah for a fanatical people

[@aaronarguelles8322]

Oh yea!! Ideas is back for some DUNE coverage in time for the lunch hour. The nurses working with me on my hospital floor are loving these narrations you give us!!

[@Giganfan2k1]

Aaron Arguelles I need to work at your hospital.

[@oberstul1941]

God-Emperor blew my mind, but Messiah is still my favorite DUNE novel - so, thank you very much for making this and all your videos. I love them!

[@ArtemisScribe]

it's my favourite too! no one else ever seems to appreciate how brilliant Messiah is! it's the one book i can read over and over again, i feel like Herbert really managed to get the tension and the pacing just perfect. i've read it about 30 times now.

[@miguelpereira9859]

@@ArtemisScribe I think most people don't like it because the pacing is weird. It doesn't have a traditional pacing rythem, it's more like a continuous rising line, it starts really slow and always rises until a spectacular finish

[@ArtemisScribe]

@@miguelpereira9859 yes! There's a real musicality to the way Herbert wrote

[@keveyson]

This series helped me get back into the Dune book series after giving up on Dune Messiah as a teenager. I now appreciate and enjoy the books so much more. Thank you Quinn!

[@Maya_Ruinz]

It is still baffling to me, the mind of Frank Herbert and his ability to use words to express something truly alien to us. The technology, the philosophy and the world he has created is just incredible and really forces any reader to truly stop and analyze every word.

[@brightglory5734]

These are the best Dune videos on KZbin.

[@mattjenkinscomic]

Dune 2 movie brought me here!

[@magicalsimmy]

That quote at the beginning, man. Holy shit. Blew my mind. I had no idea that’s what Dune was based on. It’s relevant AF in the current political climate. I used to take this channel for granted. Often your videos would get buried among my other subscriptions. However, you’re like the fucking Jedi master, the sensei, the Dean of all things Dune. I search out your channel for content now instead of watching because I happened to notice it in my feed. Well done, sir. This channel is outstanding.

[@Darrylizer1]

Even though it's not the book on tape, it's much better than the book on tape I have in that the characters aren't over-dramatized and voiced badly. Well done!

[@19k92]

finally! there's so much material on the first book, even two adaptations, but next to nothing on the sequels, so i've been hungry for the rest of the books for a while now. while i'm not a big reader, i really love these concepts, plotlines and aesthetics. so thank you very much for presenting them in this way!

[@duncanidaho4787]

Chapterhouse for me is as good as the first one.

[@Siaynoq8]

I never quite liked the visual interpretation of Navigators looking almost exactly like fish men. Their mutations can vary, but I really loved Lynch's Navigator. Sure it was basically Eraserhead turned Navigator, but I always picture them to look more like that than how awfully they were done in the miniseries.

[@Deebz270]

Agreed. I would argue, the Dune Messiah miniseries [2003] plagarised the visual idea of the 'Floating Fishmen' from Star Trek 'Enterprise' - one of the six alien species of 'XIndi' - from ST Entriprise - The Xindi story arch of the 3rd Season (Temporal War).

[@jacobbillau771]

This is a fantastic abridged retelling of the second Dune book. Music & visuals are on point. You should consider being a narrator on Audible!

[@rayvenvamp3093]

I agree with you 💯

[@Kwasimitsu]

What can I say? Great work. The millions lost under Mau'dibs rule must always be tempered with the potential billions that would have been lost had Paul strayed from the fledgling Golden Path. It's hinted at constantly in the book. Though Leto II fully expanded the concept, Paul was aware of and adhered to the Golden Path.

[@SantomPh]

Kwasimitsu prescience and omniscience are curses. No one will ever understand the perspective

[@w0mblemania]

It was billions dead, not millions. It was entire civilisations. As for the merits of the Golden Path, well, there are merits. But that's still untold billions dead.

[@miguelpereira9859]

60 Billion dead

[@MC-pt8kv]

That was always the weirdest thing about the series to me. The message of the early books, not to trust charismatic leaders or treat your country's government like a religion seems to be undercut by the fact that the Atreides are in fact the chosen ones who save humanity from itself. Isn't that going back on what the first two books were about?

[@therealoldnosey8689]

@@MC-pt8kv the Atreides did not want to go down the paths they went down. But they saw that they had to. Because the consequences of them not going down those paths would have been even worse for humanity, as hard as that is to believe.

[@marcosmacoeove5915]

Say, that interview in the beginning, it sounds like it should have come straight out of a zitegiste documentary. What he said is so on point.💚🪐🏜

[@hyperguyver2]

These books need to become mandatory reading, the themes and warnings within will always be relevant

[@DG-ss1gc]

The guild highliner is one of the neatest things in dune, such a massive transport, but also so impartial it’s possible for two warring factions to have assets aboard in separate holds off the ship. How does one win a war unless the guild is behind you. It’s the two things that shape the universe most I think, the guild hold on transportation , and the fall of projectile or energy based weapons (giving rise to hand to hand combat) because of the invention of the personal shield.

[@Esirre]

do you think in the matrix trilogy that Neo's blindness and 'supernatural' sight was inspired by this?

[@timhenley3602]

I often thought so.

[@LegoJunk128]

I rewatched the trilogy recently, and this was my exact thought.

[@walangchahangyelingden8252]

Maybe, my theory is that the gold codes means that they were just on another layer of the Matrix. There is no spoon, not even in the "real" world.

[@utkarsh2746]

As much as Frank Herbert himself was inspired by Asimov's psychohistory which was inspired by the disciplines of Sociology and hardline determinism. It would seem that it was a very popular idea in the Golden Age of Sci-fi, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy plays with the idea of determinism too.

[@hippieschmutz5484]

its two tropes combined, the dark messiah and the blind monk, both as old as writing itself

[@Mattonores]

I absolutely loved Book Two, every line of it.

[@trikstari7687]

I've waited so long for this. Seriously you need to do the audio tapes for the books, especially with the music.

[@nathanielchance9751]

I agree, if nothing else at least the original Dune series, your vocals would be perfect in conveying the story, especially with the research you've done for these videos.

[@davidadams2395]

@@nathanielchance9751 But one can't change the syntax of the text when recording audible books, which the narrator, however powerful, has done from time to time.

[@billclinton94]

you really do, this would make the books even better.

[@Renegado140]

This book......reading the part of Duncan speaking of his memory with Paul when he was a child, recalling the events at the seaport market, made me cry so much, remembering the characters and how far Paul as come and now he is finally free. Going through the Dune book, then reading this entire book as well, just made me love these characters and the philosophy laid within such a complete sci fi novel. I am now about to begin reading the third book.

[@KeepitABuck50]

These are great! I read Dune books 1&2, 2 years ago and now want to finish the series. This and the first video in this series you made for book 1 were perfect refreshers to get me ready for Children of Dune

[@Bamdd5]

Can’t wait for the videos on Children of Dune and God Emporer

[@quintus6081]

Bamdd5 the Golden Path awaits us!

[@edsmith1757]

I've read up to the children of Dune twenty years ago on the back of watching the movie . It's not an easy read because you are bombarded and tormented throughout with feelings visions action and intent . I'm sure Frank Herbert must have used the Mélange to perpetuate his vision on to the page . Thanks for your hard graft putting this series together all Dune followers and explorers are eternally grateful .

[@slyphwing]

I would buy the audio book version of this if it were narrated by you. Also, one question that I had was why seemingly everyone knew Chani was going to die except for Chani….

[@logicplague2077]

"Why do they not question their leaders?" Because in many cases, dying for what's right becomes far less appealing when it isn't rhetorical anymore, and especially when your family will be dying beside you. It's a lot easier to stand on morality when you're the only one at risk of being knocked off it.

[@westvideo]

I am in awe of the level of detail in this YT series, brilliant. The timing of watching this channel in November of 2020 is spot on, and I've been reading Dune paperbacks since the 70's.

[@dreadelectric7745]

Dune Messiah, my favourite book in the entire series.

[@bighmay12]

This series you have made. Is soooo well done. I'm a new fan of sci fi and you have inspired me to buy the whole series! Thank you! I never realized how important of a series Dune could be.

[@williamcrowe2576]

One could argue that Dune Messiah is based around the old saying "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". But from your presentation, there's more to it than that.

[@kingace6186]

Dune Messiah was a trip. The perfect sequel (or is epilogue more accurate) to the story of Paul Atreides, the Muad'Dib. I especially liked the ending where Paul reverted back to respecting Fremen tradition once he become truly blind. His water shall become one with Shai-Hulud.

[@Typanoid]

"Why don't people question their Leaders?" - because people doubt their own worth or understanding of the Politics at work perhaps?

[@seanmahoney606]

People do not question their leaders because they fear the truth. Most people are comfortable in their ignorance.

[@forthelulz6449]

@@seanmahoney606 couldn't have said it any better.

[@utkarsh2746]

Most people do?.....It is the convoluted nature of the modern political system that mutes those voices. In today's world you can't just take a sword and challenge the evil leader of the tribe like in a story. Basically....it is just a plot device bro. Leave the Pol-sci to actual academics.

[@justjoe9070]

People do not question because they fear the responsibility of their own choices.

[@MTech07]

I think human nature is simpler. Think about work, you don’t question because your necessity is higher than your opinion. Small needs can obliterate reason. I like this quote from George RR Martin: “The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their games of thrones so long as they are left in peace.” Charismatic leaders are more difficult to handle than mediocre ones. Worship mixed with admiration can cause a lot of damage. Well intended leaders can also be tempted with absolute power. I recommend you to watch the film Die Welle. It is a masterpiece.

[@space.youtube]

3:08 "Each novel in the Dune saga preceding Dune deals with the effects of Paul's legacy on the known universe" I think you mean 'proceeding' or 'succeeding' not 'preceding'.

[@kaijukiller9315]

I've seen Dune like 7 times in my life and honestly couldn't tell anyone what it was about. After watching these videos my friends wish I'd stop talking about Dune.

[@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406]

"There's no cause and effect in the oracle" Brian Herbert's version of Dune absolutely contradicts his father's.

[@untroubledwaters2137]

Yup, Brian's "contributions" are trash.

[@lpz123]

I didn’t know where to start understanding Dune, so I didn’t. Your work is allowing me to understand this story so I can go in and read deeper myself!!

[@DecksPage]

im here after watching the movie.. im very ashamed for not knowing the existence of Frank Herbert masterpiece

[@joeparrigen4982]

Ditto

[@JotaP1n]

Somehow I think Herberts himself realized, at some point in his own saga, that sometimes humans and civilizations cried out for those kind of tyrants he wanted to critice in the first place with his first Dune's book, because people due to his human nature can not evolve by his own as individuals. Leto's sacrified is a good metaphor for that. He knew what would come if he choses the Golden Path, as his father Paul's knew as well; but Paul couldn't accept his own destiny and inhumanity if he chose that path, and Leto was indeed willing to do it, knowing the great pain that the Golden Path will cost, first for himself. Paul was still good man, the hero of the story, but it wasn't enough, he was "too human" for his fate, Leto had no such a problem. And it's a brilliant irony that the real Messiah was Leto, not Paul. Leto is a tragic figure because he is the representation of what a Messiah is really are, and how terrifying is thinking about the way sometimes sacrifices, pain, suffering and terrible acts can be necesary in perspective and loooong time periods. Really love the use of prescience in Dune, because it's the different beween those how can see over the now, no matter what, and take decisions for the future. And that is a really hard position for those who rule over those who can't see or understand further than their own little lives. Really dark questions you can ask to yourself when you think about it.

[@sabrinakrisb4672]

Great comment, you should make your own vids on this!

[@Aiodeus]

Hey Quinn, I just want to say thank you. This deep dive got me into the Dune saga. I only finished the first book. You made it seem easy to read Dune Messiah. Loved the movie. Thanks a lot for being the gateway to this saga.

[@arcstrider5728]

Since I discovering your channel I had little understanding of dune. I'm reading book 1 now and I can't put it down. Your content is at another level bro. 👊

[@conspiracytherapy23]

Best companion to a book series I’ve read. Thanks Quinn! I love the breakdown, just finished this book today

[@davejones9469]

"Charismatic Leaders" was a whole section on a high school course I took called "Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity". It's a dangerous thing indeed.

[@BlackEpyon]

"Nixon taught us to distrust government, and he did it by example." I'm seeing a lot of foreshadowing here.

[@henrikg1388]

What a completely wonderful movie. Thanx! Frank Herbert drwafs even GRRM.

[@Jacob-xw8zd]

Amazing - such dedication and loving attention towards his subject. I hope he is proud of his work.

[@justmoody5797]

from someone who came here because of the movies your videos made me buy the books and read them alongside listening to you. really really great job.

[@staceykelley1202]

This series is absolutely gorgeous. I had no idea how large the ideas would be as I read on past the first book. It just gets better and bigger. So grateful I finally started it.✌️🇺🇸

[@fonztorres]

Dude, your captivating narration has fundamentally changed how I read and the inner voice I read with forever. I also would not have had the faintest interest in Dune if not for the comprehensive compositions. Great stuff, thank you for the work and awesome music too.

[@KiddCrowley]

I HAVE NEVER CLICKED ON A VIDEO SO FAST IN MY LIFE! THANK YOU

[@patferguson2817]

I like the way your delivery of the story. Great audible. The visual makes it perfect. Bravo!

[@jccouture13]

I have watched all of these probably half a dozen times now. You really outdid yourself making such quality content Quinn. Thanks for honoring one of the greatest works of science fiction with such passion.

[@tonylum358]

I hope this series makes it to Heretics and Chapterhouse...loving this so far keep it up

[@benkenon]

The most powerful person in the story is terrified of losing his wife in childbirth. There’s yet another thing George Lucas stole from Dune.

[@jonp3890]

Techno Master He stole from Asimov, too.

[@sharp8569]

Every sci-fi stole from dune

[@HelicopterShownUp]

Every sci-fi and story steals from things that came before it... that's how literacy works.

[@fujocritic9603]

I think the words are "homage" and "inspired" but whatever.

[@benkenon]

@@fujocritic9603 Nah. Lucas pretty blatantly stole from Frank Herbert, Kurosawa’s films, WW2 movies and the sci-fi serials of his youth. I love Star Wars but call it what it is; pretty much everything non-SW (and roughly 1/2 of the SW films he did make) that didn’t involve Spielberg, is crap.

[@Mod_In_France]

Avid fan of Dune for over 20 years, I've been binging your video for days now. I can honestly said this is some... no ... the best content ever produced on this saga. your channel is an ultimate source of truth for everything Dune. Respect and admiration from France.

[@eatfresh4evr]

I've read the series a number of times, but I love hearing someone explain it to me in their own words.

[@psiEnergos]

As a long time fan of the Dune series, I must say, you have done an excellent job. Keep em coming!

[@ProfessorCrispy]

Definitely my favourite book of the 6 main novels! Incredible work, please keep it up!

[@gabrielcorporan7759]

Just finished Messiah today, loved it! You're videos are so well made. your genuine love and enthusiasm comes across and its great.

[@FlashLondon]

Probably my 5th time rewatching this series. Seriously so good! Quinn is the MVP of sci-fi KZbin

[@MattFromHawaii]

Love the storytelling ❤️ it was so cool to see art work or scenes from the franchise through out 👌

[@space_audits]

Thank you for making this. I really enjoy your content. Looking forward to more.

[@takashi-lee3943]

Paul seeing through his child’s eyes is cool as fuck lol

[@therealoldnosey8689]

Man. I gotta thank you for making these videos. Without them I never would've started reading them. These are the most touching books I've ever read. Again, thank you.

[@thewayfarer8849]

This series is so good.

[@ThugShakers4Christ]

Herbert's quote about JFK irks me because it was Eisenhower who got the US into Vietnam. It just sort of undermines his credibility.

[@wackyruss]

I love these videos! They are like Cliff Notes for each Dune book but with expert narration and lovely art!

[@mrbabyears]

Phenomenal job, brother. Listening to your narration brings back the magic awesomeness of this series o first discovered almost 20 years ago. Cant wait to start the part.

[@snapdragonboom1983]

Such a well produced guide really enjoying this series 👍🙂

[@thedarkmaster4747]

1.should've never forced irulan to marry him, would've saved channi. 2.should've forced his mother to stay on arakis, would've saved alia. 3.should've saved his own eyes from the stone burner, would've saved leto from the horrors of the golden path, given 1 then 2 in order. and finally 4. the arrogant little twit should've never tried to walk the golden path in the first place, that crap always leads to unimaginable suffering and pain, he had one job, break the guilds monopoly on interstellar travel & spread humanity too the stars, presence is nice, but it's nothing more than a reflection of the future, reality is infinite. the point is, with the baron dead and the emperor dethroned as a defeated enemy, he had "the spice", he had the universe... that was why the guild obeyed him, it was a matter of mortality, they don't care about anything other than their supply. what paul needed to do was breed, not become sand jesus, he needed to fortify his family, clothe himself in the atreides mystique, use his ulimited spice to drive humanities potential into the stars. a golden age not a golden path was what he should've done. instead of 1.dead wife. 2.insane and dead sister. 3.monster tyrant son & another forced corrino - atreides marriage to end a blood fued that didn't have to exist. 4. massive human suffering on an unimaginable scale and the destruction of arakis. and it's not like the benegeserit can't be reasoned with, he had already taken the head off of house harkonen, there was no reason to thurther alienate and antagonise his enemies, as he obviously wasn't planning on killing them.

[@gamer2101]

Totally agree. His sister is one of the saddest characters ever written. No one loved her. She may have been saved.

[@therealoldnosey8689]

Paul's objectives were not to save him and his family but instead all of humanity

[@thedarkmaster4747]

@@gamer2101 Tried too hard and went too far to achieve what she actually couldn't handle all on her own. Heavy is the head that wares the god kings crown. It's almost like duke leto should've saved his family from themselves if he wasn't self martyred trying to kill the baron.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

@@therealoldnosey8689 No he makes that choice because he leaves himself with no other option. The last thing he wanted to do was walk the golden path, leto II does it because he won't.

[@therealoldnosey8689]

@@thedarkmaster4747 how do you even know any of that? Channi is saved if he doesn't marry Irulan? Its literally said in the books that the way Channi died was by far the best option, and if she didn't die that way, she would've become a slave and told that she caused Paul's death. It doesn't say anywhere in the books that Channi would've been sparred if Irulan wasn't married.

[@kawh8719]

I love this series, and I love your telling of it. It's really helped me to awaken my love for Dune and inspired me to re-read it. Thank you!

[@Philusteen]

On my quest to watch and like all of the content on this channel. Quinn and team - great work, truly.

[@_Glorie_]

You are truly wonderful at what you do, Quinn. Keep up the great work :)

[@jjscale]

Hey, I found you from your GOT videos but now I am hooked on your Dune series. You have a great voice and you create a very nice atmosphere. Also your explanations are always to the point. Hopefully I am making sense here. Keep up!

[@recongraves]

Thank you so much for doing this. Means a lot to a dune fan. "The sophisticated human can become primitive. What this really means is that humans way of life changes"-the Leto commentary

[@MatthanGriggs]

This is so cool. I'm falling in love with the DUNE series all over again. Great job, sir.