ASOIAF Theories: Why The Valyrian Magic is Lost

There is no doubt that there is some special connection between the Valyrian nobility and their dragons. This connection, however, doesn’t seem to be as solid as the connection between a warg and a wolf. The implications are that the taming of dragons must in some way relate to a magical bonding, a Bond that is able to be passed down genetically.
The Phrase “blood of the dragon” seems to add weight to this. All Valyrian magic was said to be rooted in fire and blood, so we can only assume that it was some sort of blood ritual that created the bond that linked dragons and the Valyrians initially. Knowledge of how to perform such a thing would obviously have had to come from the people of the shadow, who for whatever reason must have taught the Valyrians how to bond themselves with dragons, as well as various other arts, including their technique of fusing stone, and even possibly the production of Valyrian steel.
It seems evident that dragons have some sort of effect on the potency of magic in the ASOIAF world. There is even evidence that proximity affects the potency. It is easy to assume that the number of dragons would also have some effect. This all being said, Magic performed within the Valyrian empire must have been quite powerful, due to the number of dragons. This would explain better why the Valyrians were able to conquer the east so quickly, they not only had Dragonfire but powerful magic as well.
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Just sharing my ideas one of my favorite book series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin. This video may contain spoilers for those of you who are not up to date with the series. That goes for the HBO show and the books.
I'm just speculating and guessing on some ideas that I have on how future events will transpire in the series. Keep in mind, however, I know nothing.
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[@QuinnsIdeas]

The Prophecy of Daenys was actually 12 years before the doom. Not 100 as stated in the video.

[@danielwebb2648]

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[@QuinnsIdeas]

Daniel Webb it will be out this month

[@vampiregirl258]

IdeasOfIceAndFire, do you think Daenerys needs to go to Asshai in order to learn the lost Valyrian magic? If so what do you think she will learn?

[@FlyingTeacup]

GRRM has said that we will not see Asshai in the books, so I assume Dany does not have to go there. I do hope he will write a spin-off book about a character that goes/went to Asshai though..

[@marcostargaryen4181]

IdeasOfIceAndFire what do you think exist in valyiria ? because most of the people who travel to there don t return.

[@thekingof300]

On the topic of Targaryen magic. Maybe the reason only nobles could use magic in Valyria was because the magic was also passed through people's genes. That'd explain why only noble blood lines would have access to it. In which case we do see Targaryen magic. The magic which belongs to house Targaryen is 'clairvoyance', we hear about how Danny's ancestors saw a vision of destruction and knew to flee Valyria. However, in the current story we see Danny having a lot of prophetic dreams. Those dreams could be her inherited magic.

[@magatrone100]

Only some have dreams. Most likely the magic was hoarded by the strongest dragon lords. The fruits of the magic were shared but not the exact methods. It would explain how Dragon stone was build. The fortress was built by Valyrian architects and sorcerers but the techniques kept secret.

[@abcddef2112]

Yeah thats something grrm as a scifi writer would love.

[@vladtheimpaler9577]

My theory on why the Targaryens have no knowledge of magic is because the magical arts, dragon-steel and other valyrian techniques were kept secret within Valyria itself. In Qarth for example, people know of magic and the warlocks but the warlocks themselves keep the secrets within their own order. In Westeros everyone knows of wildfire and what it can do but only the pyromancers know the secret recipe of wildfire and they keep it to themselves within their own order and those that join the order are forbidden from sharing it. So I believe that there was an order of mages as well as order of smiths who kept their knowledge of magic and dragon-steel to themselves and even members from the noble families that joined their ranks and learns sorcery were forbidden from spreading the secrets outside the order. With the Targaryens being one of the lesser families they might not have had the authority to take spell books or to have any wizards within their own family to keep and pass down the knowledge. When they departed the rest of Valyria looked to them as fools or cowards so surely they were not about to give these disgraced ones any knowledge.

[@sx3todd]

Vlad the Impaler good point

[@gatekeeping8528]

They knew some magic, that's how they built Dragonstone

[@theboy1625]

@@gatekeeping8528 dragon stone was built already before they left

[@alexhulea2735]

Let's not ignore the fact that House Targaryan produced imbeciles like Baelor the Blessed, who encouraged the destruction of books that were not Seven-Cult-approved. And the Maesters surely had great fun stealing and hoarding books on magic

[@Peagaporto]

@@theboy1625 They could have comissioned it, Dragonstone was built while Valyria was still around.

[@joshuakyalo9645]

Melisandre's magic was apparently stronger at the Wall than it ever was in Asshai despite the fact that there are no dragons North.

[@theM4R4T]

I think the Dragons as we know them are result of combining Firewyrms and Wyverns. It's said that the Firewyrms existed in the Fourteen Flames long before Dragons, and how would the Valyrians know, unless they've been there and witnessed their creation? Valyrian dragons were the first to breathe fire, that's why their Empire was so powerful. There's a tale how the Moon (Wyverns) touched the Sun (Firewyrms) and the Dragons were born.

[@johnathanwalker8395]

I'm more of the opinion that the people of Ashai breed the 1st dragons and began blood magic.

[@Jbot-ew4jk]

It is known.

[@BlueBilli]

@@thomasirizarry4401 wow

[@Diogolindir]

Maybe the Empire of the dawn were dragonlords? ​@@johnathanwalker8395

[@Diogolindir]

I wish we could have a spin off book situated in Old Valyria.

[@jamessalvatore7054]

Absolutely. But not with Benioff and Weiss.

[@bailando74]

Here here!

[@aamirrazak3467]

Yup maybe following a dragon lord during the peak of their civilization

[@shayanparacha2406]

Valariya is very much like roman empire gone but still maintains a presence in the world by virtue of its culture and architecture

[@satanamogila9251]

This can be said about any empire

[@shaunenwright7872]

Satana Mogila to a certain extent, but to westerners nothing really matches Rome as far as its influence and presence in our culture, legal systems, language, architecture etc.

[@Diogolindir]

@@satanamogila9251 I hear you but the Roman empire lasted for several centuries which makes it one of the most influential empires in our history

[@malone005]

There's a lot of Atlantis on it too

[@StarSage66]

Perhaps it isn't dragons that bring magic, but magic that brings dragons. We've seen individuals such as Melisandre work their magic at least a continent away from any dragons and surely the Undying had been practicing their warlock's ways long before Dany and her dragons stumbled into Qarth. So perhaps magic is more like the tides, it ebbs and flows. Hell for all we know magic could even be more powerful in different locations not just different ages (my mind instantly thinks of the shadowlands and beyond the wall) not just the eras.

[@benagaran20]

Or the presence of dragons in the world makes it easier to focus magic spells. Even without Dany's dragons, the Alchemist guild, for example, was able to make wildfire though after the Dragon's hatched the spells required to create wildfire suddenly worked a lot better than before.

[@Darkstar1484]

@@benagaran20 That also seems accurate. It may also be worth noting the the White Walkers started appearing further and further south around the same time. There may actually be a sort of link in all of that, either that or maybe the dragons are sort of like...magical repositories.

[@benagaran20]

@@Darkstar1484 I think they are more like magnets. The more dragons and other magical creatures there are around the easier it is to work magic cause they attract the energy needed to work spells. And even though spells can be cast without dragons around, it's easier when they are. Cause without any of these "magnets" you would first require a ritual to attract the magical energies. And the wall acts like a same pole magnet. Rejecting the magical energies emanating from the true North.

[@vladtheimpaler9577]

My theory on why the Targaryens have no knowledge of magic is because the magical arts, dragon-steel and other valyrian techniques were kept secret within Valyria itself. In Qarth for example, people know of magic and the warlocks but the warlocks themselves keep any magic within their own order. In Westeros everyone knows of wildfire and what it can do but only the pyromancers know the secret recipe of wildfire and they keep it to themselves within their own order and those that join the order are forbidden from sharing it. So I believe that there was an order of mages as well as order of smiths who kept their knowledge of magic and dragon-steel to themselves and even members from the noble families that joined their ranks and learns sorcery were forbidden from spreading the secrets outside the order. With the Targaryens being one of the lesser families they might not have had the authority to take spell books or to have any wizards within their own family to keep and pass down the knowledge. When they departed the rest of Valyria looked to them as fools or cowards so surely they were not about to give these disgraced ones any knowledge.

[@DatcleanMochaJo]

If you do recall that witch in Daenerys's chapter did perform blood magic before her dragons hatched. Perhaps it is somewhat dependant of dragons but stronger with their presence.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

I don't quite remember the details, but one thing that occurred to me is that Danaerys losing her unborn child and the hatching of the dragons was nearly timed. Could perhaps the "sacrifice" of her unborn son have payed the 'blood price' of the ancient ritual? In fact, perhaps the spell that awakened the dragons did not start at the pyre at all, but rather at Drogo's tent. Perhaps Rhaego's life was the necessary ingredient to bind the dragons to Daenaerys...

[@bb2fiddler]

That's pretty much how it went down

[@maxten]

but the baby was dead already. it had to be mirri maz dur's burning alive.

[@almierae4914]

@@maxten maybe not just mirri maz duur. maybe this ritual demanded more than one person and there was 3. Khal Drogo, the man she loved. Mirri Maz Duur her enemy. And her unborn son, her own blood. maybe all these 3 combined were what binded the dragons to her. who knows?

[@bb2fiddler]

@@almierae4914 makes sense to me

[@Diogolindir]

@@almierae4914 three sacrifices buy three dragons

[@joejessup9775]

Valyrian Magic was lost because a certain author can't get over his pathological procrastination.

[@dominicbriggs1182]

Joe Jessup whats procrastination mean

[@FlutterMouse]

Dominic Briggs I'll tell you later...

[@JerodimusPrime]

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[@kght222]

the hobbit was written before lord of the rings, so was most of the silmarillian. they were all semi concurrent really, but tolkien did it to give his world life. he published the lord of the rings first, because it was the product of the other things he was writing, it was the best because it was the most refined. martin doesn't exactly do that, he does it in his head, but for every page he writes for asoiaf he probably has 4 or 5 pages already written in his head to inform him how it should go. not an easy way to live. he also writes on an old laptop using 3.5" floppies.

[@Milos596]

@@kght222 no he published hobbit first.

[@ikemadi6265]

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[@YourGraceMyLady]

I don’t believe Euron went to Valyria. Aerea Targaryen went on Balerion and she came back with weird snakes with arms and faces inside her body that made her so sick she ended up dying. Even Balerion had scars that he never had before

[@saintdraoi]

​@jabron.destoroyahwe don't know where they went

[@saintdraoi]

@jabron.destoroyah are they aye, she didn't have "diseases" she had fucking fireworms writhing through her body

[@krosis4406]

​@jabron.destoroyahit's actually heavily implied they went to valyria and that balerion took over to basically fly home

[@fuckoffgoogle1657]

She was infected with Valyrian fire wyrms. So..no.

[@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru]

​@@krosis4406It wasn't implied ,it was outright stated

[@randomcommenter100]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't the Faceless Men bragged about bringing Valyria its demise? I always thought it was hinted that they had infiltrated Valyria several hundred years after Braavos was founded (Braavos being founded by former Valyrian slaves hiding from the dragon lords, and the first assassin of the FM being a slave himself) and had gone around doing some shit like triggering all the volcanoes at the same time. It would explain why the land is said to be scorched, the sky always red, and that nothing grows there anymore if the ash has never dissipated since... Don't know, been a while since I've picked up the books though. But I remember one of them telling Arya something like "uh yeah well we destroyed Valyria, what you gonna do now huh?".

[@naponroy]

Arya hears the story of the first one from the Kindly man. SHe complains he should have killed the masters not the slave. The Kindly man tells Arya in book 4 that they brought the gift to the slave masters in their turn, but that's a story best told to "no one." It's no bragging, and very open to interpretation, but yeah, that's how I understood it too. Something like the mages of Valyria kept the Doom at bay, and when enough were killed.... meltdown, BOOM!

[@carlyblack42]

Since reading AWoIaF, I've wondered if the slaves of Vaylyria didn't somehow trigger the volcanoes to all blow at once. The Valyerian mines were in and around the 14 Flames, and the various peoples who were enslaved to work them likely had their own magic - enhanced by dragon proximity. So if the Faceless Men took out the master magicians, and the slaves triggered a domino eruption, there would be no one to stop the cataclysm. I'm sure there were plenty willing to die to stop the continuing expansion of Valyeria.

[@summanus4437]

@@carlyblack42 Makes you wonder if the Faceless Men started out as a covert slave rebellion. It would actually explain a lot about their philosophy and powers.

[@romarssieverything9667]

Or maybe they were bluffing.

[@mariavi33]

Louis Haumont The channel indeepgeek have an interesting theory video, about what caused the doom of Valyria.

[@kefkapalazzo1]

I wish you could get the permission to orate the books I’d pay for that

[@DavidBarnwell876tkdja]

It makes sense that only a priest class knew this magic. Thus when they died in the doom the knowledge of Valeyrian magic would have died. Even if the Valeyrians decided not to practice magic..that doesn't mean they would forget HOW to practice magic.

[@vladtheimpaler9577]

My theory on why the Targaryens have no knowledge of magic is because the magical arts, dragon-steel and other valyrian techniques were kept secret within Valyria itself. In Qarth for example, people know of magic and the warlocks but the warlocks themselves keep the secrets within their own order. In Westeros everyone knows of wildfire and what it can do but only the pyromancers know the secret recipe of wildfire and they keep it to themselves within their own order and those that join the order are forbidden from sharing it. So I believe that there was an order of mages as well as order of smiths who kept their knowledge of magic and dragon-steel to themselves and even members from the noble families that joined their ranks and learns sorcery were forbidden from spreading the secrets outside the order. With the Targaryens being one of the lesser families they might not have had the authority to take spell books or to have any wizards within their own family to keep and pass down the knowledge. When they departed the rest of Valyria looked to them as fools or cowards so surely they were not about to give these disgraced ones any knowledge.

[@JELazarus]

I don't think any of the books tell us where/when/how Illyrio Mopatis acquired the three dragon eggs that he gave to Daenerys? Maybe they are the same eggs that were involved in the tragedy at Summerhall. Maybe whatever blood magic ritual was performed started an incubation period for the eggs, and when they were given to Dany, the presence of Targaryen blood near these eggs caused them to hatch. I'm sure I'm not the first one to have thought of this.. just an idea I had...

[@Hombay17]

FYI it is strongly hinted in Fire and Blood that they are the same eggs that were stolen and traded to the Sea Lord of Braavos. That Illyrio got a hold of them implies Braavosi collusion, but it is not concerned.

[@kreativekonsciousnessbykim8686]

Joshua Lowe it’s called blood magic which is what Daenerys used to hatch her eggs.

[@romarssieverything9667]

I forgot what was written in the books but in the show Illyrio said that those were from Shadowlands beyond Asshai.

[@erikadlloyd5586]

So didn't Dany use Valyrian, blood magic and slave sacrifice with Mary Mazdure. To survive the funeral pyre and birth her dragons.

[@schmuckofthenet9148]

*mirri maz duur

[@Dr_Bille]

That, and perhaps the comet above had some impact. But she did it all unknowingly

[@summanus4437]

She was already predisposed to being immune to fire before that iirc.

[@Dr_Bille]

@@summanus4437 In the show she's immune to fire, but not in the books. It was a one time thing in the books

[@Rostam-vk9hx]

@ 06:05 you said The Doom happened 100 years after Daenys the Dreamer's prophecy. According to a-wiki-of-ice -and-fire The Doom happened 12 after her prophecy. I guess house Targaryen were just chillin' for 100 years until Aegon decided to finally do something with his family's dragons.

[@noble1825]

Rostam1369 that's what I thought also. I've seen other videos saying that's what happened

[@aleistererikalupano7386]

the Targaryens were a minor household in the Valyrian Freehold, so most probably they were never part of the inner circle of mages. Also Fire and Blood Magic seems to be empowered by the proximity of magical creature, artifacts and places of power. Melisandre herself admits that being at the barrier made her spells stronger. Bloodraven tied himself to the strongest heart tree to empower his greensight and prolong his life. It wouldn't surprise me if magic in general would be empowered or weakened by the proximity of places and various type of creatures.

[@claspe1049]

Magic in a game of Ice and fire is some how tied to the seasons, it vanes with long summers and rises with strong winters, so magic Comes from the shadows and it grows stronger the longer the shadows grow.

[@vladtheimpaler9577]

My theory on why the Targaryens have no knowledge of magic is because the magical arts, dragon-steel and other valyrian techniques were kept secret within Valyria itself. In Qarth for example, people know of magic and the warlocks but the warlocks themselves keep the secrets within their own order. In Westeros everyone knows of wildfire and what it can do but only the pyromancers know the secret recipe of wildfire and they keep it to themselves within their own order and those that join the order are forbidden from sharing it. So I believe that there was an order of mages as well as order of smiths who kept their knowledge of magic and dragon-steel to themselves and even members from the noble families that joined their ranks and learns sorcery were forbidden from spreading the secrets outside the order. With the Targaryens being one of the lesser families they might not have had the authority to take spell books or to have any wizards within their own family to keep and pass down the knowledge. When they departed the rest of Valyria looked to them as fools or cowards so surely they were not about to give these disgraced ones any knowledge.

[@claspe1049]

@@vladtheimpaler9577This is not contrary to the theory of fluctuating mana Levels, there is also the line from the Masterpyromancers that certain recipes seem to work better then they used to. I don't think the Tagaryens as nobles ever possesed the knowlege on how to forge Valyrian steel, no Valyrian noble would have, they had Smith for that. But there is one Free City where they still know how to reforge Valyrian steel and maybe still know how to make it, but they can't make it anymore. The recipes could have stop working because of a lack of magic or because a lack volcanic or draconic fire essential to the process. In Fire and Blood is mentioned that Visenja was taking to the dark arts later in here life, so the knowlege of magic is also still more or less pressent but due to weak levels of magic the practise is dying out.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

There’s different types of magic caster magic from you holder magic from objects imbued with magic and curses

[@cameroncharles3294]

welcome back Quinn...u was missed

[@quinwise4502]

thanks

[@mrotter9310]

If proximity to dragons increases ones magic why do you believe the red women mentioned her magic is stronger at the wall? Do you believe the ice dragon in the wall theory? (In the books at least)

[@askani21]

Kyle Chagnon I believe magic is always stronger near a source of power, like dragons, weirwood trees or the wall.

[@solanaavila5040]

I believe there are dragons somewhere on sothoryos or ulthos or some other undiscovered lands, like in the northern shores of sothoryos there are dragon like creatures maybe those are some kind of "land dragons" and there is a kind of those that live near volcanos aka dragons who breath fire

[@MrJRoman215]

My theory: - the Valyrians were Shepard’s so they were given dragons to nurture, not to conquer - they forgot their ancient duty and began their conquest - then the doom was their punishment for forgetting - they were meant to spread magic, not use it

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Makes quite a lot of sense. But what sort of power would wait for thousands of years until Valyria gorged in blood for at least 5 milleniums? Valyria didn't die out in a short notice, you know.

[@shodiqalibaqir6508]

That makes a lot sense

[@romarssieverything9667]

*You were meant to destroy the sith not join them*

[@DynomitePunch]

my theory is either A - their own magic and ways destroyed themselves by either doing too great of magical works, or misusing the magic, OR B - whatever god or source the magic came from originally, given the constant allusions to eldridge beings in the series, maybe the asshai people got their power from some ancient force or being, and after sometime either the being left (unlikely) was destroyed by another being or force (highly unlikely) or brought the doom itself upon valyria, we know the ancients taught the valyrians their magic but we don't know if part of that magic included worship and constant contribution to some ancient...thing, if so, it's possible that after a few ages, when the ancients disapeared, maybe the valyrians either didn't at all or strayed from the worship of the magics source believing they could keep the power like an item, instead of constantly paying, just steal it, then the thing hammered down it's infinite and horrible retribution, we know that elder gods and ancient beings in lovecraftian horror can constantly torment and ruin entire realms for aeons if not stopped by sometyhing so maybe that's also why the doom still hangs over valyria, the thing will keep punishing until someone begins retribution again, i mean, that's just my theory though, doens't look like all of this will be touched on in the song of ice and fire though, maybe someday assuming he's still around, martin will write something like "song of the gods" or something and kinda give a little more detail

[@alexer071]

You have really nice content man! Thank you for sharing this ! You have a nice musicality within your voice for narrating, tone, rythm, melodies.. I always wanted to read GOT and Dune but i never really delved into it, and somehow your videos incited me to read them as a change from the usual (tho still amazing) novels of old and new. Cheers

[@phosphoros3050]

Perhaps the Shadow People & the Rulers of the Empire of the Dawn are connected.

[@lianafeeser7868]

Valyria is so spooky.

[@kght222]

winter seems to always come at times of great magic. while dragons seem to be at their peak during times when magic is powerful, it seems that correlation is not causation in this instance. dragons are part of the use of magic, is it possible that the heavy desire and attempted use of magic causes not only for it to work but for winters to happen. a world with a perpetual summer, and magic draws on that energy and plunges it into winter.

[@Popgun]

I had just assumed Valyrian magic was intuitive and its strength was based on proximity to the waxing and waning of the Red Comet.

[@shaydshani]

Omg! As soon as I got the notification I came over here. You have been missed! I really believe this! I also think that many of the Houses have forgot what their words truly mean. I would love to see a video between you and Talking Thrones and Grey Area.

[@thiagom8478]

Could the relation between dragons and magic highly exaggerated by most ? We assume magic disappear when the dragons died in large numbers, but that seems a bit odd in an author who admits to be deep down a sci-fi-ish writer. Besides, the dragons eggs change from stone to life after a strange comet appear, isn't the comet that appears after the dragons. Have you considered the possibility that dragons may not be essential for magic but just an effect of "magical levels" raising in atmosphere ? Perhaps the firing blade in the sky is not the source of magic either. Astronomic events are often cyclic and thanks to that our ancestors in real world learned to register the passage of time with some precision. Suppose the comet by chance more or less overlap with the natural cyclic of raise of magic. Assuming that is a natural property of how this world works that magic goes up and down from time to time, like the tides of a river and the Ice Ages. When magic is going up warlocks and shadow binders, can do more things. Magic creatures grow in strength and power. Dragons are born and grow healthier. When magic is going down everything that depends on magical power becomes harder. Magic never disappear completely but one must adapt to survive with very little of it, like the plants growing in deserts survive with little water. Whit or without dragons magic will raise for a time. It concentrates in magic beings, such as dragons, and also in magical structures like the Wall. But even if no magic user or magic animal existed still the potential for magic would be present. Like humidity in the air can exist with or without living species to make use of it. Whit or without dragons the magic tide will grow, reach its higher level, and go down again. Well informed people will know when the tide is likely to change, and cunning people will find out how to use the the opportunities created by the changes in magic potential. Some mages may even find ways to stock magic for the times when it will be low (a big icy wall, maybe). However, no one can really stop the natural movement of cosmos. Sorry, that comment sounded shorter inside my head.

[@Dro250]

I hadn't had a clue how huge this world was, there are way more high fantasy concepts than I could imagine

[@kristopherbarker3282]

Here's what I think. Valaryans are cross breeds of some proto species and Essosians (mayhaps Andals), and White Walkers are a cross breed of First Men and the proto species. White Walkers are similar to Targaryens in the books.

[@post-leftluddite]

Wouldn't it be somewhat humorous if we eventually find out that the Valyrian Freehold was destroyed/collapsed because they degraded the very environment on which they depended, a.k.a. environmental collapse.....literally, the cause of every single civilization's collapse through out history

[@carlbates9110]

Well, they were mining the Fourteen Flames, which were what caused the Doom by erupting.

[@gcs7817]

The probably did what the Dwarves of Moria did - dug too greedily abd too deep looking for whatever

[@frankySR21]

lee Roberts It’s not true of the majority of civilizations, actually. The only one I can think of is ancient Sumer, but that was more a case of rivers diverting over thousands of years as opposed to active and intensive degradation.

[@matthewnevin9156]

Where the fuck does this Gerorge RR martin guy get all this shit. His mind is like the most valuable thing on the planet i hope he just keeps writing until the day he dies we need him.

[@charlottegarner4109]

I really loved this video, Valyria is one of the most fascinating places in ASOIAF to me. The only thing I didn't like is this made me even more impatient for TWoW 😂

[@vana.johnson8845]

What is Funny is that before tha Andal invasion of Westeros. Andals had practiced slavery and only actually stopped when they were driven out or frightened out by the Valerian Freehold defeat at Norvos...!

[@thedeadcannotdie]

It was a magical nuke. Men and Dragon who go there don't return because of radiation. My theory is: some not so bright Valyrian noble house decided to make a magical nuke and use it on another house.

[@NintendoDude360]

Moral of the story: if you abuse youre power, youre going to loose it, and a lot more

[@syrnvalaekar]

I get Pompeii vibes from the day of the Doom

[@alexchavez2262]

I and other people I’m sure would pay a lot of money to hear u narrate the books because the tone you set in these videos makes the scenes feel creepy and ominous

[@JamieBarrington]

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[@The-Khandor-of-Kalakuta]

I thought dragons existed next to Dinosaurs and ultra-ancient crestures like Naga and The Giant Kraken, but while the latter began to die out, dragon's persisted, and are somehow magikal, the Dragon-Lords somehow learning this deep, ancient, forgotten knowledge...

[@cherylbaxterstormborn477]

Thank you for this video I luv all the Targaryan history there's a picture of a man woth a cloak with a woman I'd say his wife an a young child looks like a boy , the man looks Alot like Jon Snow AKA Aegon Targaryan an funny the woman looks abit like Cersie I hope that one of the Prequels will be about the Targaryans , history , how they came to be with the Valyrians an Targaryans an then there was the Blackfires , an of course Dragons thank you for this great video I've had this video saved an thought I'd watch it again so very interesting ❤🕍👑🐲🔥🛡🗡

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

because the one ring was destroyed

[@lennysmileyface]

The Taigaryens should have cared about KNAWLEDGE.

[@sharadowasdr]

According to the legend of the Faceless men the first faceless man brought about the doom of Valyria. It is strongly suggested in it.

[@johnathanwalker8395]

A) it was never their magic, it was of the people of Asshai. 2) it still lives on in the blood magic of Valerian steel and the red priests

[@dreamcastknight]

gorge did borrowed heavily from Elric of Melniboné Say @QuinnsIdeas that would be an interesting character to cover.

[@gatekeeping8528]

Daenerys used valyrian magic to bring their dragons to life

[@HoldinCoffeeReturns]

Or maybe the slaves revolted and brought on the Doom as revenge against that evil society.

[@made-line7627]

Seems like that from Arya's conversation with the Faceless Men

[@TJ-fe7rr]

Can't say I blame them.

[@micahmcfadden8082]

the targaryens wernt nobles in valyria the were a lesser house of the 30 dragonrider houses. I think some of the sorcerors might have belonged to noble houses also.

[@Dr_Bille]

A lesser house is still noble. Little finger is a lord too

[@MrMedukneusha]

Maybe so much magic use is like a magnet for a meteor, like the one that appeared when dani's dragons were born.

[@aamirrazak3467]

Great video as usual! Just curious, do you agree with the theory that the Children or the Faceless men had a hand in causing the doom to come to Valyria? And what do you think happened to Aurion, his dragon and his army?

[@cullenfarran3750]

The targaryens did not build dragonstone it was an old outpost from valerian history. Im guessing that they encoded this knowledge in customs and as the targaryens took up Westerosi customs and left thier valerian roots behind The knowledge was lost.

[@pennydreadfulism]

I’m so impressed by your videos! It’s because of your videos that I spent the past few months reading the series. So thank you! Can’t wait for more 🤗

[@christophertracy7272]

Love the spooky low voice. I think the Dragons still live in the mountains of Asshai. Bran saw them stirring as he fell.

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

I think is how they died was where they had their slaves mine. They dug too greedily and too deep. You know what they woke in the fourteen flames. Shadow and flame.

[@Dragon.um5tz]

It’s probably my fault I may have took a shit in the volcanoes crater and that caused the doom of valyria the fall of the Valyrian freehold happened all because I had to go poo into a volcano crater

[@ZUGTFO]

I really do enjoy your Voice Over, well done, haunting and well researched. Learn so much. Keep it up!

[@Bavubuka]

This is wonderful. Now are these your personal theories or is this from the books? Love it.

[@richaragonzales1355]

I think I get it now Valyria is the Soviet Union and communism - D & D

[@50043211]

OK, I dont think that Quinn wanted it to end this way.

[@TheInfamousThey305]

I love the style of this. I really hope you continue going down this route.

[@thecolorlessking6668]

Thanks ioiaf Great way to start the day!

[@askrrt6666]

Listen man I love all your videos I've been watching them for a long time but you are trying a little too hard on your voice lately chill out bro

[@askrrt6666]

Also sounds really deep, and you are trying to be too dramatic. :/

[@askani21]

You're just jealous of his sexy voice ;) I like it!

[@bearwolfable]

Where do you get all these images from?

[@lorenzoc.b.9809]

You forgot to mention the fact that magic is coming back. We know that dragons have some connection with that, and we know that Euron is enthusiastic about sacrifice people, and I can think of more blood sources arround.

[@diegobarron1690]

Maybe there was technology and people call it magic since they where so advanced that current westerosy wouldn't comprehend it

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Nah, it's quite clear that there's magic in the books Ever since Dany hatched those three dragons, certain practitioners have been experiencing that magic is rekindled Glass candles were working again, Pyromancer that provided Tyrion's wildfire have been saying that there might be dragons about in the last few months, because some spells and methods are much more effective, stronger than they used to be

[@peterhanes7333]

Me and my friends on Tumblr ran with the blood sacrifice theory: Valyrian magic ran on human sacrifice. This has been hinted multiple times, with the Lord of Light and the magic of the Children working similarly. The Valyrians were sort of like the Aztecs, and they needed the blood to keep flowing. This was why the Valyrians needed a constant flow of slaves coming in. When House Targaryen moved to Westeros, they couldn't keep the old system going. They had to free their slaves. Aegon converted to the Faith of the Seven, a religion that forbids human sacrifice and slavery. Aegon becoming Westerosi meant that he had to abide by Westerosi norms, which meant he couldn't use Valyrian magic. And based on what we've seen, good riddance.

[@EDDIXspider]

I love your videos. Just one 'SPOILER ALERT" what about Danny .She make the Dragon born ritual all most by luck. And i think Targaryens new Dragon Magic but it was close knowledge 2,3 people max. Also in Summerhall they try it ,but without the Blood sacrifice. And after that they burn all fire magic books.

[@stevealigheri]

I'd love to see a spin-off in which crusades around the world set off to distant lands to hunt down and subjugate all paranormal species in the world of ASOIAF. Imagine 50k men walking through ashai, the lands beyond the wall and ulthos.

[@Brainfryde]

I would say the lore points to Dragons feeding on magic, not a source. As Magic faded from Westeros, the dragons become smaller, weaker, and finally died out. In the Doom, Dragons were noted as become sick and fading away. And the Doom itself appears to be more of an origin like the Wheel of Time series, where a legendary nation ruled by a noble magic cast made one too many strides toward MORE power, and destroyed the very source of their magic in trying to harness it. With the references to blood and fire, it also seems likely this disaster would take the form of lava and volcanoes, the blood of the earth which burns all it touches. It would also be the one thing Valyrian magic would not be able to impact at all. As to the return of magic, we see this occur long before any dragons even start back towards Westeros, and it obviously existed before Dragons. It was the return of the Others and the Children, using magics and pulling forth that power, that saw something more like a small scattering of magic start spreading there. Ultimately, the Dragons are elementals made flesh I think. This would explain why a Dragon created by the Other would breath Ice instead of fire as well. As a final note then, I would deny that the magic of Valyria was lost, but rather finally burst the constraints of those nobles, and continues to bleed away to this day, causing the oceans to smoke and burn.

[@ZipSnipe]

My problem with the Doom is that Valyria was a massive empire and you mean to tell me every Dragon Lord was in Valyria during the Doom it just doesn't seem right.

[@TJ-fe7rr]

there were only 40 dragonlord families in the valyrian freehold. Look up the eruption of mt. vesuvius. It killed tens of thousands.

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Valyria was not an ''empire'' per say, but a freehold. Dragonlords and nobles are not mere governors but the very body of Valyrian might. And they kept within the Freehold

[@gregcampwriter]

But the Children of the Forest have their own magic, so that isn't exclusive to dragons, and the Targaryens could have acquired slaves in Essos to use there, even while ruling in Westeros.

[@juanita-dark]

Cpuld Euron be an inarnation of the Bloodstone Emperor and that's why he came back from Valyria?

[@florianb2856]

I dont know, if the dragons would have anything to do with the valyrian slaves... Why would Daenerys have her Dragons, today? Because of sacrifices? I dont think that an entity would call this accidents a sacrifice. I could imagine, that the blood magic was maybe there to improve the valyrian blood lines, so they can bond with the dragons. I would think that the dragons are back, because the entities of ice and fire, you describe in your other videos, gather armys for the new fight, that the meteor at the beginning started again. Maybe the entities know, that the meteor will come down, and want the material for their goals, maybe they become power, because of the black stone? Maybe the meteor just frees them of their prison, didnt you say in the books of lovecraft were some entities prisoned in other dimension and could just whisper to the earth? Maybe here its equal, but the connection is getting stronger through the meteorite and their magic enhances? I dont know, I like your lovecraftian theories and i hope that they are correct, because it would make A song of ice and fire even better.

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Well, maybe Dragons were not sources of magic. But certain ancient powers enhance magic itself. Melisandre feels that her powers are stronger at the Wall for example. No dragons were about, as far as we know. Or maybe it was connected to Quaithe, saying to go West, you're to go East. Maybe the opposite is true as well, and being that far West, means also you're closer to the East. To shadowslands beyond Asshai, where dragons were about. But even so, that would mean that her powers would increase even when she were in Dragonstone, or dwindle in a certain part that could be quite the middle, farthers to the both sides.

[@nj3195]

Could Valyrian blood be a catalyst for magic? Why would these ancient people give the Valyrians dragons? They must have wanted something in return for the dragons.

[@afatpinkmoose]

What if a curse was put on valyria that after the eruption of the volcanos there were undead dragons bound to the land making sure no one could ever bring back the valyrian freehold would explain why people would think demons roam the lands imagine seeing undead deformed dragons of different sizes you’d definitely think some form of demons and would definitely explain why armies could never get through safely but euron could because he was alone (im assuming if not it would explain eurons crew in the books having their tongues cut I doubt euron would want anyone else to have the knowledge to scavenge valyria)

[@Linkinpurk]

O could imagine that there are certain structures or locations that canalised magic in planetos. This places get destroyed one after another. (Like the towers in the elder scrolls) one was in Ashsai, one was in the 14 flames and maybe one of eye of gods and in the years of always winter

[@yonigebru3203]

+IdeasOfIceAndFire Can you talk about the direwolves? Where they come from? How was the mother dead? Where is the father? Are they sent by Bloodraven? Do they have a connection to the children of the forest? Can you delve deep into the connection between the wolves and Starks?

[@coolex391]

Is that.... kerbal ambiance?

[@FlyingTeacup]

Do you think we will see another Doom in the books? Because a lot of the mysterious histories seem to be repeating themselves.

[@Brainfryde]

It always seemed Valyrian mysticism was rooted in fire, stone and steel, and their magics were always linked to dragons. Even the revival of dragons seems to show a link that dragons are the channel to that magic, which did not have skill but rather empathic links to dragons. So Valyria would naturally come apart and become insanely dangerous if those magics holding the living stone, fire and impossible constructs were suddenly cut off. If you link the heavily slaved mines, the death cult that crossed over all of their empire among the slaves, and the knowledge that Valyria only ruled because of might through dragons, it is not a far stretch to believe the Doom is the result of the death cults. What they did not foresee is the death of dragons being the death of all magic as Valyrians understood it. Who knows how long it would take to recreate a new Valyria, and by doing so cause the spread of dragons once more? Perhaps, by using the dragons for war so soon, Daenerys killed the hope of restored magic of Valyria, capping off the wellspring of magic before it could spread as it had before. This ultimately would lead to waiting until the wandering star returns once more, and imbues the lands with enough magic that a ritual of man, stone and fire would once again create new dragons bound to human blood lines.

[@Gigipretty64]

Surely the dragons who laid the eggs knew how to incubate and hatch them...as there were lots of dragons maybe they relied on them to lay, incubate and hatch a dragon egg. When the dragons died off, no one who knew the way they did it was still alive, so the knowledge and ability was lost.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

It’s to dark and bloody to be seen on tv

[@made-line7627]

It's sooo confusing. Dragons were everywhere once, but only the Valyrians utilised them in war and in craft. Ok, all good, I get that. But the Valyrians _may_ have _created_ dragons with their dark genetic experiments, potentially concocted with wyverns and fire wyrms to make them into the dragons we think of in the current story and the Valyrian Freehold. WHERE DID DRAGONS COME FROM

[@subutaynoyan5372]

They discovered dragon eggs at 14 flames. They didn't create dragons whatsoever

[@blaynesea8816]

hey man, have you thought about or would you be down to read and do some videos on the Witcher books.....(possibly my favourite books)

[@shadymerchant1198]

we know pretty well what happened the faceless men went on a killing spree in the freehold to punish their cruelty the dragonlords that kept the 14 flames from exploding were killed causing them to release thousands of years of built up power which shattered the peninsula and the uncontained magic cursed the land with "demons" and other such things that cause all who enter to die

[@johnmontag]

This is great, just like all of your videos. How did you make the dragon in the mist scene ? And, I wonder why the Targaryen’s were able to hatch dragon eggs well after the fall of Valeria but couldn’t at a later date

[@jeanjeanduvent]

Almost three years after this video publication, one year and half after the catastrophic finale. Here I am, rewatching these videos. Quinn, you help making the unpalatable palatable again, and thanks to you the magic of the story is restored.

[@_robustus_]

In the real world nobility commissioned masons and artisans and I can’t think of a reason for that not to be so in this universe. I imagine the builders of dragonstone simply returned to Valyria when the job was done and subsequently died and the knowledge with them.

[@caseyjason-ws3fr]

Am confused i thought the 14 Flames are still only the produced lava that Destroyed the Empire,are they gone as well?

[@nantu07]

Well done video, as always. But those still are just fire-spitting wyverns not dragons, sorry. As it was before so shall it be forever with dragons ;P

[@agreeableWitch]

god, it would be amazing if you did audiobooks. I would pay like, a crazy amount to hear your awesome reading of the whole thing, and I'm sure I'm not the only one

[@TSEliot1978]

OMG how much I miss the books. I mean I read them all but I freaking crave for The Winds of Winter

[@benagaran20]

Valyrian Magic was lost because they don't have Jesus. Jesus saves after all.

[@liamwalton4183]

As darkness gains power, the light rises to meet it. The quote is wrong, but I feel it. The whitewalkers were introduced and were shown to be gainig power before the dragons came about. Even Bran and his greensight came about before the dragons