ASOIAF Theories: They Who Move The Pieces (Unified Theory)

[@erubin100]

This is what the show doesn't get: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BLOODY THRONE!!!

[@zawarudo3054]

Facts! It's about the dawn of a new age and the end of the old age... A new beginning. The end of the Targaryen bloodline. It's wrapping up the end of aegons conquest. The destruction of the iron throne. The end of many elite houses. And of course the end of..MAGIC ..

[@joshuaherbert30]

@@zawarudo3054 i thought it would be the a new age of magic and heros like the age of dawn or the age of heros because in the beginning of asoiaf it was like there is no magic and creatures and beings like dragons, giants, the others and the children were thought to be extinct

[@arnoldrivas4590]

@@joshuaherbert30 I would put it like this: magic operates in this world not to dissimilar to natural phenomenon. The red comet appeared and suddenly magic is spiking once more. So something in this world is fueling magic depending on the epochs of time in its history. Whether the Dawn Age, Great Empire of the Dawn, Age of Heroes, Long Night, War for the Dawn, Old Ghis, Valyria, Yi-Ti, Aegon's Conquest of Westeros, magic comes and goes.

[@marcusclarke5628]

I actually prefer it about the throne , love the politics and economy behind it

[@lusians3]

it is about bloody throne the way I see it Martin included all this to make ASoIaF more intresting but ultimatly its charater interaction, political intrigue, machination, schemes that calls to him more than supernatural he has included and becous of that he has lost intrest in series. Also season 8 gave him perfeft oportunity to put off writing last 2 books since story has ended conclusion have been achieved (nomater how questionable it is) thus while he will placate fans that he is still doing thos 2 books in reality he has moved on.

[@stevenjones2673]

With that voice of yours, i think you could make a cupcake recipe scary. I hope you get approached for some voice acting someday.

[@DavidvdGulik]

He does struggle with the word 'especially' though

[@elenam.4232]

Try this: Lemon Cupcakes Ingredients: > 3 cups self-rising flour > 1 cup whole milk, divided > 1/2 teaspoon salt > 2 1/2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice, divided > 1 cup unsalted butter, room temperature > 2 cups white sugar > 4 eggs, at room temperature > 1 teaspoon vanilla extract > 2 tablespoons lemon zest Lemon cream icing > 2 cups chilled heavy cream > 3/4 cup confectioner's sugar > 1 1/2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice Directions: 1.) Preheat oven to 375 degrees F (190 degrees C). Line 30 cupcake pan cups with paper liners. 2.) Sift the self-rising flour and salt together in a bowl. In another bowl, beat the unsalted butter and sugar with an electric mixer until light and fluffy. Beat in the eggs one at a time, beating each egg until incorporated before adding the next. Mix in the vanilla extract and lemon zest. 3.) Gently beat the flour mixture into the butter mixture, one third at a time, alternating with half the milk and half the lemon juice after each of the first 2 additions of flour. Beat until just combined; do not over mix. 4.) Fill the prepared cupcake liners with batter 3/4 full, and bake in the preheated oven until a toothpick inserted in the center comes out clean, about 17 minutes. Let the cupcakes cool in the pans for about 10 minutes before removing them to finish cooling on a rack. 5.) To make the icing, beat the cream in a chilled bowl with an electric mixer set on Low until the cream begins to thicken. Add the confectioners' sugar and lemon juice, a little at a time, beating after each addition, until fully incorporated. Increase the mixer speed to High, and beat until the icing forms soft peaks, about 5 minutes. Spread on the cooled cupcakes. Refrigerate leftovers.

[@LordJordanXVII]

I think it's attractive.

[@chibidakis1]

Sheeeet, he should be doing book narrations. I'd pay

[@cherieimh]

The audio books of the series were so poorly done. Let's start a petition to have you redo them. I am binge watching your videos. I would love to figure out the actual sequence but havent taken the time to stop watching and of course listening.

[@Haddomne]

And then Arya jumped out of nowhere and stabbed all these monsters like that

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

"...and jumping exceedingly high, yea, did the Lady Arya Stark, the Lady No-One, Favored of Those Who Run the Show, Leaper out of Non-Existent Trees, the Plot-Armored, whose True Tale has been most grievously perverted from the original books, slay all the bad guys everywhere in the whole world all at once just like that, stabby-stab, because of the wish of Running Show-Gods to appear Hip to the Trends & the Power of Grrlz and in service to their new God, the Two-Eared Mouse of Darkness...and that's it. Yep. That's the ending. We the Maesters are not fucking with you. That's totally what Happened. Why are you Looking at Me Like That?"

[@shikenkanade]

Arya beats C'thulu, the great other, even the seven. The prince that was promised. The real song of ice and fire (because she literally slayed them). This is sarcasm by the way.

[@CensorWars]

And then She sailed to ashaii, learned to become a shadow binder and sailed back while Sansa was taking a nap.

[@tarvoc746]

@@CensorWars She's almost as badass as Lord Twenty of House Goodmen.

[@kanhaibhatt913]

Grill pawar

[@Danny2113182]

Ohmygod this idea of Euron having a piece of the comet that he found in Valyria, inside his eye is perfect

[@GrayArea]

10 on the scale of dopeness 👍

[@lemnajcavite]

Aegon's sister-wife is named Visenya. Not Nymeria.

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

Lemnaj Cavite He married both of them.

[@matthewhearn9910]

The other sister-wife was Rhaenys. Nymeria was the leader of the first Dornishmen when they came across the Narrow Sea.

[@thequantitychannel1299]

@@matthewhearn9910 Rhoynar***

[@georgelsoare8157]

He got it half right, half wrong. Nymeria is indeed not the sister of Aegon, but Nymeria is supposed to have seen the city of Yeen and said those words (A World of Ice and Fire)

[@picklechinahboy4437]

this is some weird stuff man.

[@THPV]

Wow! This is by far the most overwhelming asoiaf theory i've come across so far. It literally gave me goosebumps. You my friend are a true genius! The connections between asoiaf and Lovecraft's works have never been presented so clear and reasonable as here. I honestly hope that GRRM watches these videos as inspiration for his upcoming novels for they give incredible theories and plot points, that I'd love to see confirmed in asoiaf. Keep this channel the way it is my friend, because in my opinion it is the most intelligent channel on KZbin!

[@QuinnsIdeas]

Patrick Veiltl I'm glad you like the video! :)

[@MrScottie301]

I liked this video a lot. you should check out The Order of the Green Hands videos. especially the 3 part Blood Raven videos. They question Who is the 3eyed crow. I think it falls in line with what you are saying here. This is one of your best!

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

IdeasOfIceAndFire I have been trying to understand the bloodstone emperor story for a while! You rock! Thanks!

[@bhavaoriri]

I second Patrick's praise for this video. This is by far the most in-depth exploration into GRRM's canon of work. The Lovecraftian mythos mingled with ASOIAF blew me away. Bravo and well done! (Standing ovation!)

[@rogerfvb]

People should spam this video to Martin's twitter or something

[@katarinaljulj7793]

Couldn't agree more. The gods are playing the real game of thrones and the human wars are the red herring.

[@MylaCruz11]

Yes! So will it be summer vs ghost? Jon going against bran??

[@made-line7627]

@@MylaCruz11 I hope not!

[@Dani_1012]

​@@MylaCruz11He better not, otherwise George will be leaving a terrible message: the only way to achieve peace is through living in a hyper surveillance state

[@Poiunight]

So what I got from this theory is that Euron is actually a lot more important to the whole ASOIAF series then just the main conflict in the Iron Island arc of the books.

[@strater2.086]

I like Idears of Ice and fire but I don't buy this theory. Or at least I doubt that GRRM will give us one ultimate explanation for the fantasy elements in his world. I think so because Magic in ASOIAF is strongly connected with religion. GRRM refers himself as a critic of religion, who doesn't believe that there is one final truth / correct or false in religion. When a fan asked him which ASOIAF religion he prefers he answered: ``I don't think I choose any of this gods over the other. (...) I think religion is an important part of the world and should be depicted, but I am not about to indorse one westerosi religion as true over the others.´´ (George R.R. Martin at comic con 2014). That's why I am pretty sure that GRRM won't finish his story by giving us one final explanation about the source of magic. More likely he will give us hints for many different interpretations (your locecraft theory could be one of them) and then let every reader decide for himself which interpretation he believes. This way GRRM honors the concept of religious freedom even in the creation of his fantasy world. This concept of leave the last decision to the readers also mirrors in the way GRRM writes his characters. A few examples: 1) Is Danny a fighter for freedom of slaves or a rising tyrant? 2) Was Ned Stark an honourable man or an idiot? 3) Is Arya a hero on revenge or a psychopath? 4) Was Stannis the rightfull king or just one more player in the game? We could extent this list to infinity. The point is that GRRM doesn't give us his answers to this questions. Because that are questions every reader answers by his own philosophy, psychology and experience. Like we see in the GoT forums every reader has a different opinion on every character. Just like with real persons (Trump, Hillary, Putin and so on). This is the key point why the characters in ASOIAF fell so much like actual persons. What seperates GRRM from other writers is that he doesn't force his opinion of the characters to the readers. But before I drift to much away from your theory: It could be one interpretation but I highly doubt that it will be the only possible interpretation. ( I apologise for my english it isn't my first language)

[@strater2.086]

You are correct, and maybe my comment was a bit misleading. I now that most fans and theorists want to get surprised by the end of ASOIAF or want an open end. My point was more to bring up some arguments, why I think that GRRM will do exactly that and give us an open end which can be interpreted by multible theorys.

[@tp4155]

I agree man. I feel like the most mysticism that he'll delve in will be some insight as to the origins and maybe even the motivations of walkers. But as far as the shadow lands, the rest of the mentioned continents, the gods, etc, that stuff will be left open ended for either future works generated by him or another author. It's a bummer because I grew to find the war for the throne extremely uninteresting, I'm much more interested in the history of the world and the mythos, the more mystical aspects I guess. But yeah I just can't see him alluding much less explaining the entire architecture of his universe like this.

[@firetarrasque4667]

The things is, Lovecraft took of further. He never asked that question. You did, but he did give the response: They are beyond it.

[@firetarrasque4667]

Your misunderstanding this. The Great Old One aren't *evil.* They are just far beyond us that those words have no meaning. Are YOU evil for washing your hands, or stepping on a blade of grass? We are as grass to them.

[@princesseuphemia1007]

Bist du zufaellig deutscher? Ich ahne das nur wegen deine Grammatik. Deutsch ist meine zweite Sprache also entschuldigung wenn mein deutsch Scheisse ist. Ha ha.

[@Fruzhin5483]

gotta wonder when people like preston jacobs, an american thinks and alt shift x gonna notice the cthulu story line

[@QuinnsIdeas]

Vali Rusev perhaps they're not Lovecraft fans

[@wulozhiro1316]

the WOIAF is saturated with historical/mythological/religious/literary inspirations. not just Lovecraft. elements of Christianity, Lucifarianism, Judaism. Hinduism and Islamic lore can be found. as well as Celtic and Norse mythology. just name a few. not mention the actual historical and modern societal comparisons that can be made. PJ has made reference to this fact in multiple videos.

[@Nugmaster224]

Is preston jacobs even active anymore? Regardless this dude has been more accurate anyways, when he got the whole white walkers being creations of the children thing right, I decided this dude is #1

[@Kharnal7]

IoIaF also got the children and white walker connection right, not sure who was first though. Preston has a series called "the minds of wolves and robins" that makes a lot of the same connections found in this video but it's from a totally different angle.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

Preston is well aware of the Lovecraft connection, it just has completely different meaning in his theory.

[@robertfullchim923]

Glen Cook: a high fantasy story told from the perspective of an expendable mercenary tricked into serving a dark demigoddess. The eyes of war through a soldiers eyes written by a real soldier. J RR Tolkien: a story of the last days of magic and the rise of the common man over heroes and legends. George RR Martin: a tale of human beings doing dumb human things while the world ends around them. Robert E Howard: legendary figures fight the symptoms of a far darker and more dangerous entity that lurks beyond their understanding (Kull especially). These are my favorite fantasy writers and my abridged understanding of their works. In case anyone is interested in further readings.

[@drhexagonapus]

Man whenever that music plays I get a shiver down my spine, it just fits the mood of this universe so well! What is it called? It is so hauntingly beautiful you picked the perfect song to go along with your videos. You really have a gift for storytelling, keep it up man.

[@cb-7422]

The greatest fictional world ever created. How can something fictional be so complex, realistic, and yet maintain the element of high fantasy?

[@hamarbiljungskile8953]

Easy, just borrow heavily from the actual world and stand on the shoulders of giants in the likeness of Tolkien and Lovecraft. Not that Martin isn't a good writer, but you give him far too much credit.

[@gregorykavivya875]

But dan and dave somehow managed to fuck it up the ass.

[@Filippirgos]

Tolkien's imaginarium was better, and he was a pioneer, but this one is good as well

[@BiteThis]

I'd say ASOIAF is more low-fantasy. Focusing on character development, man vs self, and man vs nature sprinkled with a bit of fantasy. IdeasOfIceAndFire tends to inject a lot of extra fantasy into his theories, which may be true, but it's not going to be so obvious in GRRM's writing. I'd say his story is more Braveheart than it is LOTR.

[@sabatheus]

Not High Fantasy--It's Sword and Sorcery. There seems to be a push to call it something new, like Grimdark Fantasy...taking from Warhammer 40k, but I don't know that that's appropriate, either.

[@rickardrakkoon2500]

is it odd to anyone else that all of this black, oily stone is so close to the seas? and when it fell the seasons where thrown into unbalance?

[@BootlegFightVideo]

The Five Forts is well inland though near the Bleeding Sea. Moat Cailin has black stone inland but in a swamp. Kayakayanaya though is in the Bone Mountains.

[@count487]

It’s described differently. The oily black of the isle of toads and the driftwood throne, the plain black of the valyrian roads and walls, the malevolent shades of distant Yeen.

[@acrustykrab]

Cosmic horror is the best

[@1handedtyper]

I agree that the bleeding star was a volcryn. 🌍🌚🐳 🌞 🌕⭐⭐👾 😯😧😨😰😱🤯😬🤪🤡

[@ithemba]

seriously bruh, when GRRM kicks the bucket before finishing ASOIAF I really hope that you just go ahead and do a fanfiction dreams of spring. you're by far the one with the deepest understanding to the underlaying complexity of the books.

[@TheRedname]

Please no.

[@wulozhiro1316]

excellent work. too many analyst's focus on who will sit the Sharp Seat in the end. they dont recognize the fact that this is all just a game of cosmic cyvasse. Even top tier pieces like Littlefinger, Bloodraven, Varys, Euron, Quathe...even the Singers and the Others.... are all being manipulated by beings/forces beyond comprehension. most of the events so far have occured by some grand design and all the various religions of the world will be proven to be misconceptions and/or distortions of the actual truth. i have the feeling the last two books are gonna be friggen mind blowing. i expect certain revelations and the overall outcome are gonna piss alot of people off.

[@JosephGorndt]

As much as I love the books, I almost dread the next book coming out. I think it might be more fun to speculate what's coming , rather than know.

[@Ragd0ll1337]

Joseph Gorndt speak for yourself, I for one would like to see GRRM conclude his magnum opus

[@haymaker710]

Same here. I like closure.

[@Meerkatmatt2]

But then you can speculate fro a dream of spring.

[@Kunumbah1]

Meerkatmatt2 A Dream of Spring is simply just a dream. It shall never come.

[@Macconator2010]

I've often thought of the Black stone being ice magic embodied, similarly to Dragonglass being fire magic embodied. Unlike the show, I think in the books the Black stone created the Others, not Dragonglass. And then of course when the two materials interact they annihilate each other like matter and antimatter. It clearly has a major role in the books, whereas in the show they've just merged the two materials together to keep things simple.

[@arawn1061]

The black stone seems to originate in the shadow. Near the heart of darkness which is the seat of Fire

[@MoejiiOsmanTV]

YES!! i love this kind of stuff dood keep it up! ive had a video idea that i was going to post soon that i wanted to run past you illl send you a msg this week - great minds think alike ya kno?!!

[@Alexrider02]

That was an awesome theory, I do love how much Lovecraftian lore he included in the books. I wonder if these powerful beings sleep beneath the seas (like Cthulu), or in places like the hot springs under Winterfell (theorized to be a dragon, but could be some other powerful being). If so, could they have any connection to the phrase, "Wake sleeping giants"?

[@rishabmazumdar5635]

Why does Yi Ti look like medievel China?

[@SVishnu-xy6bu]

It's based of there, just as king's landing is based off 18th century london

[@WisdomComestoThoseThatSeekIt]

The old name for the final book could lead into this. 'A Time for Wolves'. Ghost is a god!

[@jessegarrett7215]

1:30 you said Nymeria was Aegon’s sister-wife. His wives were Visenya & Rhaenyra. Nymeria was the leader of the Rhoynish who married into house Martell of Dorne and settled her people there

[@Shpongle64]

I'm too spooked too properly comment

[@generalgrievous5483]

Shpongle64 love these videos

[@sprucewayne10]

Is the Dawn Emperor the Lord of Light? Would he be an incarnation of something like Azor Ahai? Excellent video man.

[@Ognyann]

I really like your theories and I generally think you're on to something with this, especially the part how the great mysterious powers of the world could well be of some sinister cosmic origin. It rings true when one considers the subtle hints we've seen in the worldbuilding as well as GRRM's apparent appreciation for cosmic horror. With that in mind I kind of doubt the part where you speculate that Euron has a shard of the Red Comet in his eye that he found in Valyria. As awesome as the idea is, it doesn't make sense. One, there's no suggestion that the comet actually fell. That's not the kind of event that would go unnoticed, even with all else that's going on at the time. An impact like that would have been noticed all over the world. Second, that would imply that Euron's eye condition is relatively recent and none of the characters he interacts with react as if it is. Neither Victarion nor Asha nor Aeron remark anything that would imply that they're unfamiliar with the eye patch he wears, and I think they would have at least wondered what happened to him if he was fine before he was banished. Also, the Crow's Eye nickname wouldn't have caught on to the point everyone knows it if he wasn't like that before he left. I think his appearance is just to make him cooler/scarier. Even so, great vids, really enjoyable. Keep up the good work.

[@ash1rose]

This is amazing. You should be doing voice acting for horror novels, because your tone and inflection are perfect for it. I literally had chills listening to this. Lovecraftian and cosmic horror terrify and fascinate me, and the connections with ASOIAF are impossible to ignore.

[@TheFreakPsi]

Hey great theory! I specially liked all you speculated about Euron and his booled eye. (bloodraven, blood emperor, blood eye, do I see a patron here?) I agree that gods in asoiaf seem to be portrayed more as powerful entities that are worshipped by men and opposing each other, than waht we think of as gods in RL (except maybe the seven). And although I see how everything you said makes sense (asshai always made me intrigued like crazy, and awoiaf and all that Yi Ti thing...) I don't think this entities will be the ending game, as you seem to think. For one thing, GRRM has SO MANY loose ends at this point (sure, we've heard a lot about R'hollor and the White Walkers and the children, but we don't really know anything about them) that I think introducing such a huge plot twist now would be a terrible idea. We'd end up with 30 more books (which I wouldn't mind, except George would propably die before finishing them). Really, with all that's already happening I don't know how he'd manage to tell this hole new story about great others and comets and everything. The fact that he wrote a different book to tell the story of Yi Ti makes me think we won't hear about it in the series. And secondly, I truly believe that asoiaf it's more than anything, about human nature. Not about gods and fantasy, but about people...

[@bmabhilash01]

The gods opposing each other in real life, do you mean the gods in planet earth ? Or the present day in ASoIAF ?

[@unseen_romania3273]

Or we'll get a normal story, no gods, no horror. Humanity wins after many sacrifices and we'll see in the epilogue that the gods exist and nothing is what is seems

[@tancrediparisi7321]

Nearly as intriguing as the Ancient Astronauts theory, but not as convoluted and batshit crazy. Fortunately.

[@fellatitsgerald7956]

Aren't the five forts fused black stone, not oily black? I do love the general idea though. Also enjoy the Lovecraft connection.There has to be some correlation between this queer substance that drinks in the light around it making up the entirety of Asshai and Yeen and found in the Iron islands, being referenced in the Bloodstone emporer story et cetera. Have you delved into any potential connection between Dawn, the sword of the Dayne family and the oily black stone... or at least the meteorite idea? It is seemingly magical and it's properties appear opposite in physical description to the oily black stone. And what if the Crow's Eye has just gone mad? Perhaps from drinking too much shade of the evening? I want what he is trying to do to be real within Planetos but much as wildfire can't turn one into a dragon, mayhaps whatever he is planning with his massive blood sacrifice is utter folley. It could also cause his own demise under those circumstances. GRRM does seem to be a fan of hubris after all. But then again, maybe he can actually become a living squid god. I hope for the latter and expect the former. Really enjoy your videos!

[@glrasshopper]

For some reason, my mind keeps jumping to YiTi being a Goa'uld empire. I guess I've watched too much Stargate, though Naquada would perhaps explain the black stone.

[@lukealberts4972]

the crow's eye is the bloodstone emperor come again

[@zakariaali8864]

So basically the gods are in this super huge cold war and the game of thrones is one of their proxy wars? Well fuck, that's mental!

[@Shovi_]

But Euron isn't missing an eye under the patch he wears, he just hides the eye because it looks weird, it's black with malice, while the eye that he shows is blue, and better to look at.

[@constantinetranos2225]

My only problem with this video is that George RR Martin is more interested in the conflict of the human heart with itself, rather than transcendental beings who control the lives of the characters.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Can we talk about GRRM's absolute disgust with Fan-Fiction (calling it copyright infringement) yet his seemingly-hypocritical willingness to straight up steal elements from the likes of Lovecraft and Bierce? Dude has a city named fucking 'Carcosa' in which resides a 'Yellow King' in his fictional universe. What the fuck, GRRM?

[@Sefoskiii]

But his stories are not dependant on the borrowed elements from Lovecraft. They’re more like easter eggs, used for world building more than anything. The actual meat of the stories are his own (although heavily inspired from other works, and history mostly). Fan-fiction on the other hand uses someone elses world and characters to tell their own stories. Most of the hard work is already done at that point. It’s not the same.

[@OpticalArxenal]

As entertaining as it is, this is bogus. Small chance that something inspired from from Lovecraft could be used, but that's a cheap stunt I highly doubt Martin would approach. I also think it's a shame to just mash 2 highly popular things together, instead of appreciating them seperately.

[@Majinshadow626]

I've loved your videos for the thorough treatment of the Lovecraft influences in ASOIAF. This is your best video yet! Thank you and keep up the awesome work.

[@carloharryman]

Westeros squidbillys confirmed

[@meameam]

As a Lovecraft and ASoIaF fan, I love your videos and I find this theory truly bewitching. It's the sort of ending I would like to see for asoiaf: unexpected (both for the readers and the characters), terrifying and without any comforting moral for humankind. Besides, I find refreshing to see someone considering what Martin's influences may be, since I think that to truly understand any work you need to evaluate which are the authors or the themes that are influencing the writer, and in the asoiaf fandom this is rarely done. So thank you for all your great videos, my friend, they are clever and beautifully edited! (English is not my first language, sorry if something I wrote doesn't make much sense)

[@akajulester]

You know you’ve written a great book series when fans can go this in-depth with theorizing and analyzing, even if what they’re talking about has almost nothing to do with the main storyline, and is purely based off of the barely mentioned lore. George R. R. Martin created possibly *the* best fantasy world ever. Shame the show decided to ignore everything that was awesome in the books... :( ah well, what can you do

[@scyphozoa717]

If I could meet one character from asoiaf, it would be Melisandre (Melony) because she is one of the only characters who has been to Asshai, and probably Stygai and all that scary stuff too, but everyone else I can think of like Quaithe and Euron are just on a whole other level, and would probably not give me or you a straight answer. but I just wanna know what it’s like, like for real. And George rr Martin said that everything that the maesters say about the other side of the world might be not 100% true, because unreliable sources and all that, just like real history. But it could be just a sorta creepy place with bad weather and stuff inhabited by cults blown out of proportion by legend…or maybe… hopefully, it’s everything and more; maybe R’hllor does exist at the heart of Darkness, and maybe only dragon fire, or lightbringer, or something next level like that can awake him, can rekindle the flame, making Asshai and Stygai and all that stuff not darkness anymore

[@Alexrider02]

0:03 Man, I can't wait for the "uncomping" Winds of Winter. xD

[@DavidvdGulik]

Yi Ti and The Empire of the Dawn are not the same thing. Yi Ti, Sarnor, Valyria etc. are likely the broken pieces of the Empire of the Dawn that rose back up after the Long Night. What's more, according to the same legend on which you base your assumptions, between the first emperor of the Dawn and the Bloodstone Emperor, many many centuries of rule by other emperors passed. The way its layed out here gives a very warped view of the timelines given to us by The World of Ice and Fire.

[@JamesR1986]

Fair, but Yi Ti is the oldest active civilization with the most most direct connection to the Empire of the Dawn, Valyria and Sarnor don't really exist anymore, so whatever they're knowledge is has been lost to time.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

I think you missed the point of the series. The gods are the unimportant characters, not the humans. The idea of gods influences character actions, but they have no interaction with mortals beyond that. When Euron speaks of a new god, he's talking about HIMSELF. And that's far more disturbing than anything Lovecraftian.

[@dirtypure2023]

Brian MacLeod Not so sure you understand the concept of "Lovecraftian" or what the phrase "cosmic horror" really means, but I do get what you're saying.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

Michael K I own and have read the complete works of Howard Phillips Lovecraft.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

Michael K My personal favotite is either Innsmouth or Reanimator.

[@Kenspiracy664]

%110 ^^^^^^^

[@Akhibrass]

A mortal calling himself god is not nearly as disturbing as an Elder god coming out of hiding.

[@tehn3085]

You really get "A Song of Ice and Fire"! I really like hearing your perspective on the books and the show... you understand it on so many levels. I absolutely love your videos. no one gets this series as well as you do.... Apart from George RR Martin. but thank you and you're appreciated!

[@JudyQ411]

This sounds very similar to the mythology of Elden Ring 👾

[@garretthildebrandt428]

Picture it; Euron conquers Oldtown. Climbs High Tower, surveying the bloody carnage below, a storm brewing in the sky. The holy blood of those dead serves as a sacrifice, and summons krakens from the deep, their tentacles thrashing and creating tidal waves. Euron removes his eyepatch, revealing the Bloodeye, an oily black stone, with veins of red. A former student of Bloodraven, he wargs the the Krakens. They are his now. They belong whatever god looks through him now. He reigns supreme on the sea. Now, he will reign with the Dragons, and the Others. He will tear down the Wall. He will blasphemously ascend. He will bring this god to Earth.

[@eric2500]

So the Slime God ascends and that's IT? NAH, There will be a second hero or heroes to defeat him, and act as a cancelling force. Then another age of NO magic, where maybe the seasons re-set and under the super long reign of Bran the Tree King everyone just lives ordinary lives. Nobody gets vast power - it's not available anymore.

[@DPLawlorFilms]

Fabulous my man. That was an outstanding video. Great work. This opens up the true wonder of ASOIAF for me.

[@visenyatargeryen2704]

Aegon's sister wives were Rhaeneys and Visenya not Nymeria😭😭😢

[@Domefossil]

This is a great video and all, but there is NO way the show will ever reference this, heh.

[@dirtypure2023]

John T. Savage Agreed, but we all know that's not the point 😊

[@kintongreen3625]

And this is an asoiaf theory, not a show one

[@AJ_from_Queens]

Quinn. You are the man, dude. Lol I’ve been a fan for years now and whenever I revisit your ASOIAF theory videos and I can’t help but get so hyped for Winds & ADoS. Don’t stop producing such awesome content for my favorite book series. 👍🏼

[@Yannis1a]

Nymeria was the first dornish princess of dorne not the wife of Aegon

[@francescocalabrese6337]

Comparing this to the last seasons makes them the most fucking shitty story on earth

[@Moeller750]

awesome video! I think you're definitely on to something with the Lovecraftian references, but I don't think these deities will ever be truly revealed or personified. I think they will perhaps be shown as 'devine forces', but in keeping with Martin limited 'on-stage magic', simply to be a loving nod to Lovecraft. the same way Jon Snows' rise to power will contain a loving nod to Aragon and Return of the King.

[@ShiniestMew]

Love this video. It drives me nuts thinking about what the larger enemy could be in the series. I think you're right about the "old ones." Everything I read seems to point in that direction. I also believe some of our players (varys) might know more than they let on.

[@cooliebwoy4175]

you weren't lying in your last vid about there being "more videos very soon" lol

[@michaelcastro9026]

Oh damn, I’m liking this, maybe we will get to know more about the comet.

[@amandaviola_]

I've literally re-watched this vid 3x, well done man!

[@halostill-alive5790]

10:10 sound like radioactivity :v

[@arturleperoke3205]

Bloodstone-emperor -> blood red eye of Euron? red commet falling down -> blood red eye of Euron?! an even grander GAME than the GoT? Dude, do you come up with these fantastic ideas at night, shaking? Because I would be trembling like a violin string! Great work!!!

[@rishabhdohare7456]

I read that euron's line in the voice of davy jones

[@IamAmericasDaughter]

Amethyst Empress killed by the Bloodstone Emperor is the origin of the light bringer story. The Daynes are her direct decedents, The Sword of the Morning or Mourning. They followed a falling star, the Empress feel in death. Dany is a Dayne, her name Daen=Soldier Eyrs=Goddess, Daenerys mean Soldier Goddess. Dayne means Origin. Remember who you are. Also the Daynes blazen is a Star, Sword on a purple background. Daynes are one of the oldest houses of the Kingdom.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

George RR Martin is the one...

[@susgod8264]

Jesus fucking Christ dude

[@evankoetsier3259]

Damn this is awesome, thank you! Love listening to you talk about ASOIAF

[@Wolfsgeist]

As much as I like all this, I very much have to critisize that most of these realizations seem to come from "The World of Ice and Fire", right? I mean, I don't have that book and I know pretty much know nothing about Yi Ti or Asshai and have never heard of the Bloodstone Emperor or the Empire of the Dawn etc. from the "story-books". Maybe I'm a very oblivious reader, but delivering the lore of the world in this way seems just a little bit cheap to me.

[@AKWatchX]

NICE!!!! Excellent references for your theory Quinn. Love this. Can't wait for more.

[@MichaelVrazitoulis]

I think this theory can be augmented by examining the cosmic backdrop of Elden Ring, where you essentially have outer gods competing for influence by using individuals as political chess pieces.

[@eric2500]

FOR THE BOOKS : I still hope for the bittersweet ending promised -The Ending that was Promised? - wherin a form of justice happens when those who sacrificed OTHERS to these cthonic powers find that they gain very little personal power when the beings they are invoking manifest, and those who TAKE RESPONSIBILITY themselves have a fighting chance and restore the balance, BECAUSE they are willing to sacrifice much and more of their own.

[@bestversion8159]

reminds me of THE DOOM THAT CAME TO SARNATH

[@Varatil]

10:24 *At it's core exists Stygai* Just this morning I was thinking about how much of the thematic tension come from "What's really magic, and what's just *a guy* ?" Is a royal claim divinely blessed, complete with magic blood? Or is a king just *a guy* with human failings? Is the 3 Eyed Crow the will of an astral hivemind, or just *a guy* with a port wine stain? Is Varys a magician truly, or is it just *a guy* using mummer's tricks and chemical additives? What about Mel? Euron? George loves to set up cosmic horror stakes, but it always has come home to personal struggle. Human heartburn and salad dressing, or whatever the quote is. Magic exists to reflect and magnify the human themes. The cosmic magic is real, but *at its' core exists a guy.*

[@finnISHY]

No way they will ever do this in the show as the regular people who watch it will be confused as fuck as too what is going on since loads still don't understand it

[@revanruler6404]

yeah they cut out the best parts

[@hughakston3518]

This is talking about the books. The show is a mummer's farse.

[@sciencetube4574]

Interesting theory, but it is somewhat telling that you must resort to arguments such as the work of other authors or the fact that the origin of certain objects is unclear and they might therefore be supernatural. Almost all of your evidence comes from sources that are not ASOIAF. You could argue that TWOIAF is part of the universe, but it is written from the perspective of a maester and deliberately biased. The sample chapter from TWOW is from the Song, but it's a fucking drug-induced dream. Nevermind the fact that Euron being perceived as a squid might just be a symbol of his claim to the throne, as so much in prophecy and prophetic visions is symbolic. Although this theory is cool, it is also extremely weak. And some of it is probably already disprovable: Dany follows the "bleeding star" after the birth of her dragons, and it leads her into the Red Waste and to the gates of Qarth. She is evidently travelling east, so since Qarth is east of Valyria, the comet lead her away from Valyria. But it couldn't have possibly fallen on Valyria then. And I think it would contradict the theme of ASOIAF and GRRM's writing in general. The story is about human struggle. All we see is the numerous ways good and honorable motives can make a person do horrible things. How complex the motivations even of people we perceived as just evil, like Jaime, truly are. "The human heart in conflict with itself" is what GRRM says his writing is all about, and it really is. What makes ASOIAF beautiful is how it explores the depth of its characters, even those who are just psychopaths. The scene in GoT where Tyrion and Jaime talk about their mutual cousin Orson who was dim-witted was a brilliant addition in this regard. All Orson ever did was smashing beetles with a rock, and Tyrion wonders why. He is convinced that there was some reason for why he did it - even if it was hard to figure out. Every character in ASOIAF has their motivations, and they are the focus of the story, even more so than the story itself. This only works if they are in charge. Revealing that it was giant space monsters with lots of glowing eyes and lots of claws and lots of tentacles that pulled the strings all along would be very disappointing. Another thing that makes ASOIAF beautiful is how it is practically almost completely unpredictable while in hindsight, everything is conclusive and completely predictable. There is no major event that wasn't predicted in many ways, and there is no prophecy that shows exactly what will happen. If Aeron sees Euron as a half-squid, half-human being, then that means that Euron will not ever be a half-squid, half-human being! It may be foreshadowing something, depending on the context, but it is not to be taken literally. I think we've crossed paths before, and I think that it was this super crazy, over the top speculation that made me not subscribe to you. Well, whatever. To each their own. I don't think that any of this will ever become truth, though.

[@facundogonza5740]

The Withe Walkers are ODD. Maybe they are not exactly malevolent? Just utterly alien?.... maybe actual aliens. It would be interesting if the Others actually ally with Humanity to face Euron.

[@shaunrogers8811]

Little finger may be connected to the faceless men His families from braavos In the show Arya tells the hound that Jaqen could kill him with his LITTLEFINGER

[@eric2500]

So the Slime God ascends and that's IT? NAH, There will be a second hero or heroes to defeat him, and act as a cancelling force. Then another age of NO magic, where maybe the seasons re-set and under the super long reign of Bran the Tree King everyone just lives ordinary lives. Nobody gets vast power - it's not available anymore.

[@firetarrasque4667]

See, you've all missed something:The Black Goat IS a Lovecraftian entity. Just another name, for Nyarlothotep.

[@kanpaisou]

Why do you focus do much on HPL work and ignore three previous GRRM work? I know he borrows a lot from Lovecraft but his previous work must be way more influential and a better base for analysis and theories, since, you know, it's written by the same person.

[@yaldabaoth2]

So you're saying that GRRM has taken Lovecraft and English history, mixed them and that's it. In other words, very little original work.

[@AnotherZenThought]

"That whitch is dead may never die" is a version of "That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange æons even death may die". I've had that as the background of my phone because personally I think it applies as much to humans as to Cthulhu (think about it where were you before you were born, where did you come from, you were neither alive nor dead and there's nothing to stop you from being pulled from the ether again).

[@tereziamarkova2822]

I believe there is something to this theory, but I am not sure whether that's all there is to it, just two teams in a cosmic boardgame with the third coming; after all, Martin is far less misanthropic than Lovecraft. His deities must represent something, some fundamental truths or principles, and their fight probably results in some kind of statement about humankind and the world. Or maybe it's just that one represents life and the other death, but neither is morally superior to the other; fire, R'hllor and dragons represent both creative and destructive qualities of life, while the cold and White Walkers represent death. What could ever be good about White Walkers, you say? Well, they are still a big mystery, but it's possible their motives aren't nearly as simple as in the TV show and we are in for a lot of surprises.

[@corrinawright517]

Loving the beautiful art, voice over work and theories you weave through these videos. I've been subscribed to a handful of asoiaf podcasts and youtube theory videos for several months now and your videos are some of my favorites¥°

[@kristopherbarker3282]

I don't see why these deitys cannot exist in ASOIAF world. GRRM said Westeros was a parallel earth. Mayhaps the World of Ice and Fire is another of Azathoth's dreams.

[@KakashiHatake-ou7mp]

Interesting theory. However given there are only two books left and too many unanswered questions, it's unlikely GRRM would explore more of these concepts in the main novel. It's more likely that the black stones are left as a mystery to make the known World have more weight

[@fullcomicalchemist2195]

It's amazing how deep we can go with George's world

[@Meta33]

I always wondered if there was a link between the Church Of Starry Wisdom and Oldtown's Starry Sept(headquarters of the faith of the 7 before Targaryens). Especially with the Battle Isle and Hightower mysteries. Maybe they are working toward nefarious means under the guise of the 7.

[@revanruler6404]

lovecraft's old ones are not nefarious they can't be analysed through moral ethics

[@darkservantofheaven]

in other words: Book Euron: Alucard + Cutchulu show Euron: fake ass Jack Sparrow fuckboy

[@punch6515]

If GRRM unironiclly turns his book into lovecraftian inspired books I will worship him until my dying say

[@davidwilliam9681]

There is another level above the warring gods. A higher intelligence moves the gods as pawns on a chessboard. The true ending will be a heavyset old man arguing with HBO on the phone. Spoiler: HBO wins and the creator is banished from his own universe.

[@soulseeker1651]

man I love your videos, but I hate you because I cant sleep because of your video on patchface... Saw it two weeks ago and I am still terrified to sleep with my lights off.

[@BreggyFolk]

So, basically, "giants from the earth" could literally be giant superhuman being waiting to be woken. Sam doesn't want to blow that horn at all ))

[@KamilMuzyka]

Kinda looks like the Warpstone/Wyrdstone from the classical Warhammer Fantasy Franchise.

[@iam-mp1pe]

U gotta look into the lost aka erased civilization Tartaria witch I think he got his idea of Targaryen. I mean, there really is something to this & a great soul Maxwell Igan is were I originally found the info of this great civilization erased from his-story

[@elgus871]

Game of thrones ends. Jon sits upon the iron throne, Danaeris died in childbirth, Cerce and the Night king are dead. We think it's all over, then cu'tulu kicks in the door and kills everyone, the end

[@linguisticallyoversight8685]

well the worshippers of the Drowned God may have some things in common with Cthulhu worshippers I would actually say they have more in common with those who worship Dagon

[@Dragon.um5tz]

So there is a game played by God’s such as the old gods, the great others,drowned God, the Lord of light, the faith of the seven, the old ones, the black sheep, the loin of night, and maiden maid of light, and the storm God,

[@Kay-kg6ny]

I like this idea a lot, but I always wonder with these kinds of stories: what's so special about Earth that gods or cosmic aliens would want dominion of it in the first place?