Hyperion Cantos: What Does The Technocore Want? | Insidious Evil AI

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@TheSilverOrn
@TheSilverOrn 3 жыл бұрын
I actually kinda loved that humans birthed AI that were essentially human complete with disagreements, arguments on how to proceed, and even wars between each other. I loved that when the technocore found hardcore proof of another artificial intelligence different from their own they collectively crapped their pants the same way humanity would if they found proof of an alien race.
@asimian8500
@asimian8500 3 жыл бұрын
Today's machine learning algorithms already have human biases based on pattern matching large troves of data. So, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that a true AI would be more human-like than alien-like. Alien cores would reflect their creators, but I would think that the Technocore and an alien core could start communication by initially using math and then develop a grammar/language with little ambiguity. This could take only seconds.
@320466
@320466 3 жыл бұрын
it wasn't another AI it was the wolf the lion and the bear i believe, it was the telepathic connection of other species. that was what the technocore wanted to be come ultimate AI in the space that binds but gets kicked out by aforementioned intelligences cause they saw the merciless of the Ai
@TheSilverOrn
@TheSilverOrn 3 жыл бұрын
@@320466 Yes, but I think some of the technocore actually believed it to be some form of AI that was alien to them. The whole story basically boiling down to AI god vs Meat god is an interesting concept.
@zazugee
@zazugee 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSilverOrn you mean a super human inteligence in the future? that's why they created the shriek to lure it?
@TheSilverOrn
@TheSilverOrn 3 жыл бұрын
@@zazugee I will post a spoiler, but please don't read it if you don't want to be spoiled for the meta plot of the series. . . . . Basically there is a machine god created when all AI ascend to a next level of existence and merge. There is a "biological" god that is the same exact thing except with organic life. The machine god wants to kill the organic god, but the organic god either doesn't want to fight or can't beat the machine god so it flees. Its power is still in the future at the end of time, but its spirit is someplace the machine god can't go. The machine god sends back the shrike to torture living forms as the pain generated by living things will force god to come back and help them, but that will also mean the machine god can kill god. There is some back and forth where apparently the biological god can actually control the Shrike because the Shrike is powered by the soul of a living being and its love, so there are a lot of levels.
@TheJaviferrol
@TheJaviferrol 3 жыл бұрын
Thats one of the beauties of Hyperion; the Technocore isnt a Skynet that wants to kill/enslave humanity. It has 3 factions and each have their own ideas and act and confront each other upon them
@Kenshiro3rd
@Kenshiro3rd 3 жыл бұрын
They all want to use human brains for memory and processing power though. They just disagree on how to obtain them.
@TheJaviferrol
@TheJaviferrol 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kenshiro3rd Not really; the Stables saved Old Earth cause they don´t wanna have any future repercussions from the humans and don´t wanna die to become part of the Intelligence God.
@Kenshiro3rd
@Kenshiro3rd 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheJaviferrol I know. However like humans ever increasing need for food/living space the technocore need processing power/memory. Stables simply want coexistence. They accomplished this this via utilizing brains connected to the network via the portals they passed through. That way they could utilize their brains for extra memory & processing power without hurting humans.
@Warenai
@Warenai 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, in Terminator 2 it is revealed that Skynet only attacked after humans panicked and tried to shut it of as a way of self defense. Sadly none of the later movies build on that detail. Maybe showing some kind of regret in hindsight by the machine that started it all, while knowing fully that after killing billions there was nothing left than to fight to the end.
@Kenshiro3rd
@Kenshiro3rd 3 жыл бұрын
@@Warenai actually Genesys kind of did.
@self-transforming_machine-elf
@self-transforming_machine-elf 3 жыл бұрын
I implore anyone interested in exploring the Cantos to consider that it's so good, you may not be able to enjoy another sci-fi story for a long while after. Proceed with caution.
@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090
@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 3 жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction long ago. Selling my entire library was part of a almost life ending event for me, And the 1st edition of Dune was my first great prize as a Collector and appreciator of Books. That is the one book out of the thousands, that I wish I would have kept. Being a big fan of Science Fiction and Horror, I knew that Sturgeons Law was even greater than 90%. But I continuously chased the High of Hyperion. Constant research finally landed me at the foot of Dune. Initially it was a great failure in my eyes as it was considered the absolute Best and I just didn't feel it was as unbelievably great as Hyperion. My thirst for Good Science Fiction eventually, due to lack of worthy candidates, led me back to rereads of Hyperion and then eventually back to Dune. Of which, with the experience not tied to comparing it as the Best and therefore better than Hyperion. I marveled at how incredible the book actually was, especially written pre-70's, in a time when I find almost all SF was Childish in so many ways that just didn't stand the test of time. I have read both series 5 times and awaiting the time when my mind is fresh enough to start that great reading journey once again. I feel tinges of it every time I finish a book. Shall I read this New Book that I've researched and is being touted as Great, And yet so often the Hype fails to materialize and therefore disappoints, or shall I go with the True and Golden Read of the only two books/series that I have found worthy of such lofty praise. I hope to read each series 3 or 4 times in the time I have left. If I could just read one book instead of always being compelled to read the rest of the series, I would have read Dune and Hyperion/Fall (as it's really one book) probably dozens of times. They are truly....Worthwhile.
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 3 жыл бұрын
It's been some 20 years since i first read it, and at the time i was already introduced to Asimov, Clarke and Herbert, so i was not new to SF. I am still to find another great work of the genre to match it. Even from the same author. Ilion and Olympos were great books, easily among the best ones, but still nowhere near Hyperion and Endymion.
@user-lp7tx1fe6t
@user-lp7tx1fe6t 3 жыл бұрын
@@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 why'd you sold it?
@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090
@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Oh I was in a real bad place and time and my 20 year dream of owning a book/music/video store, just right when I was finally ready to start it, The market for it completely collapsed. Even video renting had been a strong business and books stores and cd stores were thriving. Anyway to answer your question, I said a big F U to Fate and sold them all, Damned if I was going to die without making a dime off my long term investment. I literally didn't think I'd ever get to the point of reading it again. Whenever the topic of SF comes up, I always bring this book up as a recommendation. Knowing it just might give the new reader a sense of Wonder and Awe as It did me. If there was 50 books I enjoyed as much, I'd retire and be a reader and read those books over and over and probably have a very contented life doing so. I love this the first two(one) book(s) As well as the first 4 books of Dune.
@Yesica1993
@Yesica1993 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, goodness, I had such a book hangover! This story took over my brain for weeks, maybe longer.
@jordanlong8005
@jordanlong8005 3 жыл бұрын
Dude. I can't thank you enough for getting me into the Hyperion series. I read all 4 within a week. Came here for the Dune, stayed here for the thoughtful and in-depth content.
@fatmangags
@fatmangags 2 жыл бұрын
Damn that's literally like 100 hours of reading there. Took me around a week each
@slowfudgeballs9517
@slowfudgeballs9517 2 жыл бұрын
@@fatmangags He got really excited.
@utewbd
@utewbd 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he recommends some amazing books
@SuperHoldenC
@SuperHoldenC 2 жыл бұрын
A week? God damn
@arishemthejudge6780
@arishemthejudge6780 Жыл бұрын
Is Endymion worth readingn??
@DanielGreeneReviews
@DanielGreeneReviews 3 жыл бұрын
Well this is well timed for me.
@7ekis450
@7ekis450 3 жыл бұрын
Hyperion lore AND Hyperion review all in one day!
@citizensguard3433
@citizensguard3433 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah… not bad for a book that came out a year and a half after I was born. Crazy how things can take on a new life thanks to the internet.
@citizensguard3433
@citizensguard3433 3 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Greene The people will now expect a collab from you two! I’m saying it, and Rule 32 of the internet says saying something will make it happen! ;-)
@joshrivers5191
@joshrivers5191 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed. Dont squander this opportunity.
@jeffgrey2746
@jeffgrey2746 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Daniel. I love your channel, expecially the video of th coke snorting GOT writer!
@LoneTiger
@LoneTiger 3 жыл бұрын
_"Of course, machines can’t think “as human beings do.” A machine is different from a human being; hence, it would think differently."_ _"The interesting question is, just because something thinks differently from you, does that mean it’s not thinking?"_ _"We allow that humans have such divergences from one another, you like strawberries, I hate ice-skating, you cry at sad films, I’m allergic to pollen. What does it mean to have different tastes, different preferences, other than to say that our brains work differently? That we think differently from one another? And if we can say that about each another, why can’t we say the same for brains made of copper and steel?"_ Alan Turing (The Imitation Game)
@rnash999
@rnash999 3 жыл бұрын
Are those real Turing quotes or from the movie dialog?
@LoneTiger
@LoneTiger 3 жыл бұрын
@@rnash999 Yush.
@MattiasSvanberg1987
@MattiasSvanberg1987 3 ай бұрын
​@@LoneTigerWhat?
@Dothreban
@Dothreban 3 жыл бұрын
The last time I was this early Dune was still going to premier in theaters in 2020.
@saeed7099
@saeed7099 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early a bottle of henne and your mom was involved.
@hmg9194
@hmg9194 3 жыл бұрын
We eatin now boi!!
@craigfisher3976
@craigfisher3976 3 жыл бұрын
After my first read of the cantos I found I couldn’t start another book for quite some time and I normally read a book a week. It really affected me deeply. Truely a masterpiece.
@severian1916
@severian1916 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Quinn, so great to see you covering The Dan Simmons Hyperion cantos. Just wanted to say your fan base includes not just youngsters but older fans of scifi I read Dune when I was 17, reread it recently thanks to your inspiration I'm 62, the Movie will be the high spot of the year. I reread Dan Simmons this year and I really like your essays on him. If you haven't already seen it Simmons published an article in the science journal Nature talking about the ideas behind quantum teleportation, an idea used mainly in the Illium and Olympos series. He also covers the idea that imagination plays a part in creating alternative worlds, an idea he uses in the cantos, an author literally imagining worlds into being, hence his many literary allusions. I'm sure the Catholic ritual aspect of the story especially in the ENDYMION books has not escaped your notice. Catholic theology and ritual is important for a full appreciation of the hyperion cantos, imo. Btw we all hate what Warner Brothers is doing to you. I just wanted to say that you've brought me great joy with your intelligent and thoughtful commentary, always great to listen to and always awesomely well informed. Keep doing what you do. And read the Book of the New Sun, by Gene Wolfe Id love to hear your take on that. From a top Quinn fan Thank you
@TywinLannister666
@TywinLannister666 2 жыл бұрын
Hello fellow fossil. Isnt it awesome that the fanbase has grown so huge? When we first experienced these wonderful series, we had no one to bounce our theories and ideas and love of it all off of. Now we have a literal community that exists to do JUST THAT. Magic.
@philsanders9625
@philsanders9625 3 жыл бұрын
Never heard of Hyperion before today. Your video is a shot of pure lore straight in the arm. I'm addicted
@Qba86
@Qba86 3 жыл бұрын
The Technocore is an interesting concept. That being said, I would expect AIs that "evolved" on their own to be even more alien than that (I mean Peter Watts levels of alien). On the opposite side of the spectrum would be an AI designed to mimic the human intellect. For such an AI, there would be no reason to be particularly "cold and calculating". After all, the material that makes up a complex system doesn't affect its emergent properties as much as the interactions between its components. Carbon atoms aren't any more empathetic than silicon atoms ;)
@silent_stalker3687
@silent_stalker3687 2 жыл бұрын
Evolved Nanomachines: let’s make a cat! Cat behavior:
@zzdoodzz
@zzdoodzz 2 жыл бұрын
I have always felt that AI is the next step in human evolution. It is inevitable given the progress of technology and it's current state of being unchecked, no Asimov rules of robotics seem to be at play. It will replace us, and yet we may still be around but way far behind, similar to how chimpanzees are still around. AI will quickly evolve, replacing itself over and over and I agree with your thoughts, it will be very "alien", and not simply a reflection of human kind. There are no organic needs for AI, so no limits to space exploration/colonization. AI can take as long as it wants to spread throughout the galaxy and universe.
@meltedjax3619
@meltedjax3619 Жыл бұрын
Who came up with your standard for empathy? Such a strange baseless thing to say in regards to ai
@chs_ambs8356
@chs_ambs8356 9 ай бұрын
The AIs in Hyperion were always too human for me, especially Ummon. You should read Nick Bostrum's book Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, and Strategies. It's a little dated now, but he imagines that AI of the future will be totally alien to us, and I tend to agree as he lays out his argument very well.
@Lou7575
@Lou7575 3 жыл бұрын
Your series on Hyperion has been so good that it's prompting me to read the books again.
@DistantEarlyWarning
@DistantEarlyWarning 3 жыл бұрын
I recently finished this series. Top shelf sci-fi.
@loganshirley1200
@loganshirley1200 3 жыл бұрын
Im partly through rise of endymion, 5:40 is right where I am, so I gotta come back to this one later.
@BlueRidgeBubble
@BlueRidgeBubble 3 жыл бұрын
It's some of the best there is Try uh The commonwealth saga Sun diver Etc
@TheTomimt
@TheTomimt 3 жыл бұрын
I particularly like the first two books. The Endymion saga I can live without.
@DistantEarlyWarning
@DistantEarlyWarning 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTomimt I liked the Endymion books because you get some clarity for questions that weren't answered in the first two books. I found them to be pretty profound.
@francescosmith7859
@francescosmith7859 2 жыл бұрын
@@DistantEarlyWarning me too.
@horizon_universe9349
@horizon_universe9349 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most fascinating questions in this already fascinating book. Love your Hyperion content !
@0321Dave
@0321Dave 3 жыл бұрын
Just finished the first two books of the Cantos. Such a unique piece of literary sci fi!!! I always enjoy your videos! It’s obvious that you love these works and I couldn’t be more happy!
@knate44
@knate44 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea that somehow AI would be like us in the sense that it too was complex, nuanced, and non-monolithic.
@tonykirk8295
@tonykirk8295 3 жыл бұрын
I loved all 4 books. The 3rd and 4th book were different than the first two, but I kind of just accepted it as a different epic in the same universe that wanted to utilize different themes and ideas. Probably my favorite series of all time.
@Bannerman1903
@Bannerman1903 3 жыл бұрын
The Technocore are one of sci-fi's greatest villians.
@asimian8500
@asimian8500 3 жыл бұрын
But the Technocore are not a monolithic entity. They have "individuality" and comprised of different factions. Some of the factions "hate" humanity and others seek the Godhead. While some of these factions are friendly and wish to cooperate with humanity. Would this result in a Technocore civil war and separation into different cores? What happens if a faction merges with an alien core?
@Albert_C
@Albert_C 3 жыл бұрын
@@asimian8500 Civil war did happen in the novel during the crisis.
@lordrisay
@lordrisay 3 жыл бұрын
@@asimian8500 Just going to put this out there, you need to read Endymion as this story is incomplete.
@yourpersonaldatadealer2239
@yourpersonaldatadealer2239 2 жыл бұрын
I’d never heard of it (which is odd) but this channel has been a real find. The 3 body problem is a beaut
@francescosmith7859
@francescosmith7859 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed and how they initially painted the Ousters as the bad group but it was the Technocore all along. So evil!
@filipstudeny
@filipstudeny 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite channels on KZbin, I even bought Hyperion because of this channel such epic series.
@synchro505
@synchro505 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you're sharing this story, Quinn. Great video. Brings back memories of ordering actual CDs of the audiobooks back in the day. First one got me hooked then got the whole set. Must have re-listened at least 5 times to the whole set over the years. That's rare for me. If made into a movie, my hope is that it will land in capable hands.
@ben-ty9jo
@ben-ty9jo 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished the first book in the Cantos, gotta say this might be my favorite of the Hyperion/Dune/Foundation trifecta
@ben-ty9jo
@ben-ty9jo 3 жыл бұрын
@Frank Thinnes yeah so I just finished Fall of Hyperion... actually shed a few tears at the ending. Absolutely fantastic stuff
@Softnutt
@Softnutt 3 жыл бұрын
Start going into Iain M Banks please , I miss that guys books
@user-lp7tx1fe6t
@user-lp7tx1fe6t 3 жыл бұрын
He said some time ago he's read those books but for some reason hasn't gone into them
@4_am
@4_am 3 жыл бұрын
I miss lain M Banks.
@jybrokenhearted
@jybrokenhearted 3 жыл бұрын
I miss Jack Vance
@Shriike2001
@Shriike2001 3 жыл бұрын
I am seriously happy that you are showing such love for these wondrous books. :)
@frozunyogert6159
@frozunyogert6159 Жыл бұрын
An Hyperion adaptation should be an animated series. To be live-action, it would have to be VERY high budget to truly capture the scope of the Hegemony universe.
@Gotblade
@Gotblade 3 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder if emotion isn't essential to consciousness or sentience. The stresses that give rise to mutations that are occasionally beneficial being emotional in nature. The ultimate expression of linear time being self-awareness. The unifying theory of time matter and energy.
@michaellangwaller
@michaellangwaller 3 жыл бұрын
I have always had an issue with the Farcaster technology, how could humanity not figure out how it was working. I know the TechnoCore was probably using its resources to keep it a secret, but surely some group outside of the Web could have built its own Farcaster system. Yes, I am familiar with Aenea's discovery that the system was not really needed to farcast, but surely after thousands of years someone would have thought to create a backup system just out of paranoia.
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 2 жыл бұрын
Think of Farcasters as proprietary technology essentially closed source.
@scottski02
@scottski02 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I could see the TechnoCore cracking down on any person or group who showed even the faintest hint of figuring out how the farcasters worked. It was by far the most powerful hold the TechnoCore had on humanity. Killing or disappearing anyone who showed the aptitude for cracking it would be a no-brainer for such an amoral species.
@guyincognito82
@guyincognito82 3 жыл бұрын
What's up Quinn? I just discovered your channel and am now subscribed. Great content man! It's really interesting to me. I love all the Sci-Fi stories about the cosmos. Keep up the great work!
@Tuberiascaesar
@Tuberiascaesar 3 жыл бұрын
You know I'm playing mass effect legendary trilogy and one thing that bugs me is that the writers themselves seem covinced that ai and organic life are destined to kill each other, even if their very own game proves that this isn't the case. Then when there are positive stories, it seems that the ai become a benevelont god capable of creating universes or almost spirit beings. Maybe an ai would just be, and be differnet.
@vigilstudios3010
@vigilstudios3010 3 жыл бұрын
The idea behind the Shrike and the Technocore seems pretty succinct and logical, that an amoral, unfeeling AI that can only learn would eventually yearn to know feelings, to know companionship, lashing out violently to inflict the most unimaginable suffering, just so it could savor the taste of but the most fleeting of emotions, a sense of connection, to know it was not alone.
@Tuberiascaesar
@Tuberiascaesar 3 жыл бұрын
@@vigilstudios3010 I never read the books I'm just going on what quinn is saying.
@vigilstudios3010
@vigilstudios3010 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tuberiascaesar I suggest checking out Quinn's other videos on the Shrike, Hegemony and Time Tombs. All quality stuff and explores more about what I mentioned.
@Tuberiascaesar
@Tuberiascaesar 3 жыл бұрын
@@vigilstudios3010 I did see those. I wish he'd do his dune chapterhouse video and a video on what he thinks frank herbert had planned.
@JDR0110
@JDR0110 3 жыл бұрын
Neal Asher's "Polity" novels have an interesting take on the AI human relationship; just read the Dark Intelligence trilogy and am planning to read more novels earlier in the timeline. Check it out.
@gterrymedJR
@gterrymedJR 3 жыл бұрын
I began reading the Dune series because of your Leto video. I also began reading the Hyperion series because of your Shrike video. Will probably start the foundation soon. Keep up the great work and content Quinn!
@derekphelps9196
@derekphelps9196 2 жыл бұрын
Quinn, I absolutely adore your content as I am a huge fan of all the stuff you cover already. Plus, I've actually discovered new content because of this channel. Low, is a good example. Keep up the good work!!
@Skolanthropy
@Skolanthropy 3 жыл бұрын
I started watching you for your GoT commentary, and stayed aboard because of your passionate appreciation of for classic scifi. I'm currently embedded in the Hyperion Cantos series because of you, and this trickle of content from you is a welcome lubricant to my imagination. Thanks.
@kernowpolski
@kernowpolski 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Quinn - really great work. I am a big fan of the Hyperion Cantos. The Technorecore is a powerful and mysterious element that you have examined really well. How about a comment on the spiritual religious elements and the focus on the philosophy of the Catholic Anthropologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, whose book The Phenomenon of Man attempted to merge evolution with Catholic theology via an evolutionary process expressed as Lithosphere (the physical world), Biosphere (the world with life) and Noosphere (the world with consciousness) towards an Omega Point which is God and therefore able to back-project itself to start creation. His philosophy is the key component for good in the series. The Phenomenon of Man was one of my Father's (a World Ward 2 bomber veteran) favourite books and even got a mention from the American Bishop at Harry and Meghan's wedding - the most interesting and relevant part of the whole event! I thoroughly recommend de Chardin's work. Thanks again Stephen
@etchexiledangel883
@etchexiledangel883 Ай бұрын
It took a moment tro remember that I had, in fact, read this whole series. The Shrike, Farcasters, the Core, all were masterstrokes of ideas and twists that made the whole series engrossing for my younger self. I think it's time I revisit these books.
@IRosamelia
@IRosamelia 2 жыл бұрын
My dude, I LOVE your videos! Cheers!
@mattforthelikes
@mattforthelikes 2 жыл бұрын
I love your intro music. There is something special about it.
@thefrienemypodcast6073
@thefrienemypodcast6073 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the Hyperion videos. Read the books years ago. So great to see it pop up on my feed
@jimmystetler2572
@jimmystetler2572 3 жыл бұрын
So you have me reading the Hyperion books and I really appreciate your in depth explanations of it. BTW, you are graced with a true gift of language.
@DTSephiroth
@DTSephiroth 3 жыл бұрын
This made me think about the war with The Men of Iron in the Warhanmer 40,000 Universe. It can be argued that the AI that initiated the conflict and attempted to eradicate man wasn't evil at all. AI in 40k comes to the realization that Chaos exists, and reasons the only way to destroy Chaos is to remove its food souce... sentient life.
@thesinfultictac5704
@thesinfultictac5704 3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say the clips you found are just *chefs kiss"
@1jotun136
@1jotun136 3 жыл бұрын
Man, you should voice books on tape or start your own ASMR channel. I'd gladly listen to you.
@megavide0
@megavide0 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite passages from Endymion: On Sol Draconi Septem, Father Glaucus talks to Aenea and A. Bettik about Teihard de Chardin and the Techno Core: >> “A monitum is a warning against uncritical acceptance of his ideas,” said Father Glaucus. “And Teilhard did not say that human beings would become God … he said that the entire conscious universe was part of a process of evolving toward the day-he called it the Omega Point-where all of creation, humanity included, would become one with the Godhead.” “Would Teilhard have included the TechnoCore in that evolution?” Aenea asked softly. She was hugging her knees. The blind priest stopped rocking and combed his fingers through his beard. “Teilhardian scholars have wrestled with that for centuries, my dear. I am no scholar, but I am certain that he would have included the Core in his optimism.” “But they are descended from machines,” said A. Bettik. “And their concept of an Ultimate Intelligence is quite different from Christianity’s-a cold, dispassionate mind, a predictive power able to absorb all variables.” Father Glaucus was nodding. “But they think, my son. Their earliest self-conscious progenitors were designed from living DNA-” “Designed from DNA to compute,” I said, appalled at the thought of Core machines being given the benefit of the doubt when it came to souls. “And what was our DNA designed to do for the first few hundred million years, my son? Eat? Kill? Procreate? Were we any less ignoble in our beginnings than the pre-Hegira silicon and DNA-based AIs? As Teilhard would have it, it is consciousness which God has created to accelerate the universe’s self-awareness as a means to understanding His will.” “The TechnoCore wanted to use humanity as part of its UI project,” I said, “and then to destroy us.” “But it did not,” said Father Glaucus. “No thanks to the Core,” I said. “Humanity has evolved-as far as it has evolved,” continued the old priest, “with no thanks to its predecessors or itself. Evolution brings human beings. Human beings, through a long and painful process, bring humanity.” “Empathy,” Aenea said softly. Father Glaucus turned his blind eyes in her direction. “Precisely, my dear. But we are not the only avatars of humanity. Once our computing machines achieved self-consciousness, they became part of this design. They may resist it. They may try to undo it for their own complex purposes. But the universe continues to weave its own design.” “You make the universe and its processes sound like a machine,” I said. “Programmed, unstoppable, inevitable.” The old man shook his head slowly. “No, no … never a machine. And never inevitable. If Christ’s coming taught us anything, it is that nothing is inevitable. The outcome is always in doubt. Decisions for light or dark are always ours to make-ours and every conscious entity’s.” “But Teilhard thought that consciousness and empathy would win?” said Aenea. Father Glaucus waved a bony hand at the bookcase behind her. “There should be a book there … on the third shelf … it had a blue bookmark in it when last I looked, thirty-some years ago. Do you see it?” “The Journals, Notebooks, and Correspondences of Teilhard de Chardin?” said Aenea. “Yes, yes. Open it to where the blue bookmark is. Do you see the passage I have annotated? It is one of the last things these old eyes saw before the darkness closed.…” “The entry marked twelve December, 1919?” said Aenea. “Yes. Read it, please.” Aenea held the book closer to the light of the fire. “ ‘Note this well,’ ” she read. “ ‘I attribute no definitive and absolute value to the various constructions of man. I believe that they will disappear, recast in a new whole that we cannot yet conceive. At the same time I admit that they have an essential provisional role-that they are necessary, inevitable phases which we (we or the race) must pass through in the course of our metamorphosis. What I love in them is not their particular form, but their function, which is to build up, in some mysterious way, first something divinizable-and then, through the grace of Christ alighting on our effort, something divine.’ “ There was a moment of silence broken only by the soft hiss of the fuel-pellet fire and the creak and groan of the tens of millions of tons of ice above and around us. Finally Father Glaucus said, “That hope was Teilhard’s heresy in the eyes of the current Pope. Belief in that hope was my great sin. This”- he gestured to the outer wall where ice and darkness pressed against the glass-“this is my punishment.” None of us spoke for another moment.
@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim
@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim 2 жыл бұрын
Very haunting. Thank you
@Cocamo1337
@Cocamo1337 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Quinn I just gotta hand it to you man, I don't know if it's the music, the cadence of your speech, or the tone of your voice, but you just have a way of making shit feel really epic.
@matthewwalker5504
@matthewwalker5504 3 жыл бұрын
Darn good video man, got goosebumps and have to read those books now !
@jonahmiller7
@jonahmiller7 3 жыл бұрын
I just started reading the first book. I'm already hooked.
@Bloborus
@Bloborus 3 жыл бұрын
On my 2nd readthru and loving these videos!
@BigKnecht
@BigKnecht 3 жыл бұрын
Bro you should get hooked on the "three body problem" trilogy next. Lots to unravel for you there.
@femmedracula
@femmedracula 3 жыл бұрын
I recall reading about Thomas Ray's Tierra experiment back in the 90s.
@richardharris6392
@richardharris6392 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the video! Glad ur spreading the hyperion love. One thing though. At the end u made it sound like only the volatile elements of the core were using human brains to live. But wasn't that how the whole core was able to run? They used human brain cells that were using farcasters to function and when Gladstone destroyed the farcaster net, it essentially destroyed most the core. Could be wrong though, it's been a long time since I read the books
@jeffgrey2746
@jeffgrey2746 3 жыл бұрын
Quinn, I just wanted to say that I love your channel and I think you do a great job.
@starfishsignal
@starfishsignal 3 жыл бұрын
i love that you are talking about this! it was such an intersting concept when i read it
@Bruva.Ork.
@Bruva.Ork. Жыл бұрын
Bless you with what ever gods will you see fit. Im writing my own novel and your video are pure gold
@cotillion
@cotillion 3 жыл бұрын
re-reading this series now :D thanks for the content!
@mdimascio
@mdimascio 3 жыл бұрын
I am currently listening to the excellent audiobooks for the 5th time :)
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 3 жыл бұрын
What do ya do for a living bud? Your analysis and voice is so nice to listen to. It isn't like most narrative/radio voices...but is unique and great to listen to. Have you done a video, or livestream, about yourself yet? I am curious about your childhood...and about how you got into fiction, and your other hobbies? Just sorta interested...Keep up the great work! Do not worry about/chase after views...The KZbin algorithms are irrational...So just keep making the content you like to make! "IF YOU BUILD IT..THEY WILL COME!....eventually." :D Take care of yourself !!
@severian1916
@severian1916 3 жыл бұрын
Quinn is the best literary commentator, and I agree, such a mellow voice I could listen for hours.
@acuteoctogon9303
@acuteoctogon9303 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Hope you have a good day Quinn!
@theprogressingdrummer1631
@theprogressingdrummer1631 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never subscribed to a channel so fast.
@alexandrakrausch7158
@alexandrakrausch7158 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos. I found your channel today and I love it. Although I am German I understand your explanations very well. And I am so Glas that you speak about Dan Simmons and Lovecraft. Greetings from Germany 😊
@brentbonham9427
@brentbonham9427 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your channel man. Please keep making great content.
@citizensguard3433
@citizensguard3433 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!! These are my favorite videos of yours! Not much into Dune tbh, but these Hyperion videos made me buy the books!!
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 3 жыл бұрын
The Techno Core & the UI are a great villian for the series. When I first read the series it was an interesting heel turn.
@andrewdaniels2131
@andrewdaniels2131 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent wrap, thank you very much! 😎👍
@Hochspitz
@Hochspitz 3 жыл бұрын
Sigh...there are so many books to read! Beautifully presented!
@Citi2en_V41n
@Citi2en_V41n 2 жыл бұрын
It’s thematically powerful that most people’s (consumers) drive for instant gratification is their undoing, via their dependence upon an infernal machine even when ignorant of such dependency and addiction. In contrast, people willing to adapt to the World, and not the other way around as the instant gratifiers, fare much better.
@thebushwacker
@thebushwacker 3 жыл бұрын
Please keep doing videos on the cantos I'm on the last book and I wish I would have discovered it sooner. It was buy your videos I started reading it and I love it
@LiquidAwesomePersonified
@LiquidAwesomePersonified 3 жыл бұрын
love your videos mate - top of the line content.
@rifleman1122
@rifleman1122 3 жыл бұрын
I started the series after seeing the cruciform video and now I'm 2/3rds of the way through book 4. Easily one of the best sci-fi series I've ever read
@scottlette
@scottlette 3 жыл бұрын
Great content as always, Quinn.
@chuckcrizer
@chuckcrizer 3 жыл бұрын
To me, the background music means "Dune". Seems strange when used for Hyperion.
@lepmuhangpa
@lepmuhangpa 3 жыл бұрын
Even though it's not, the fact that he uses it... I'm just used to it being Dune.
@mott9993
@mott9993 3 жыл бұрын
BRAND NEW?? BRO!! YES!! YOU RULE!!
@julioamayajr3919
@julioamayajr3919 3 жыл бұрын
Great video - excellent discourse and needs to be examined as AI grows in our society
@seandalziel7414
@seandalziel7414 3 жыл бұрын
I'm loving all of this Hyperion content.
@cotillion
@cotillion 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do some reviews of the Culture series by Iian M. Banks? I really enjoyed them, r.i.p.
@morganSnow421
@morganSnow421 3 жыл бұрын
This video was all kinds of amazing. And also where do you get that awesome music that you add in your videos?
@damianm-nordhorn116
@damianm-nordhorn116 3 жыл бұрын
It's not just distrust of the OTHER but also against OURSELVES. Especially those with a lot of bad thoughts and desires like to project these traits onto others. ..whether it's animals, other people or smart machines/AI.
@sinecron6684
@sinecron6684 2 жыл бұрын
Such a criminally overlooked series it's easily up there with Dune and Star Wars
@lucasstrople4767
@lucasstrople4767 Жыл бұрын
These books are a bridge for scifi readers into classic literature -- and vice versa. Reading Chaucer and Keats beforehand enriches things.
@jsyvret472
@jsyvret472 3 жыл бұрын
Never even heard of this series. Just finished up dune and wondering what to read next. Is this something people would recommend?
@YuvalAyalon2011
@YuvalAyalon2011 3 жыл бұрын
YES. it's an excellently written, slow-burn sci-fi at it's best
@blairhaffly1777
@blairhaffly1777 3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@brianmurphy250
@brianmurphy250 3 жыл бұрын
If you got through Dune, you will surely enjoy Hyperion. It ends on a cliff hanger and it’s finished on Fall of Hyperion ( the 2nd book doesn’t have the Canterbury Tales stay narrative -each character narrates a chapter)
@stonedphilosopher2185
@stonedphilosopher2185 3 жыл бұрын
So good it hurts!
@tuumef1799
@tuumef1799 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I feel inspired to buy the second book!
@LauftFafa
@LauftFafa 2 жыл бұрын
What's the name of that intrigue soundtrack you always use ? Like in 1:04
@johnink2quill776
@johnink2quill776 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. 😀
@rutleyj
@rutleyj 3 жыл бұрын
Keep these great videos coming
@adamnixon2886
@adamnixon2886 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so good!!! Just subbed*
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 2 жыл бұрын
1991: You won the internet. 2030: You won the All Thing.
@hawkticus_history_corner
@hawkticus_history_corner 3 жыл бұрын
Remember everyone, like AFTER you watch because it pleases the algorithm the most
@chellybub
@chellybub 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! 💜
@pedroarjona6996
@pedroarjona6996 3 жыл бұрын
I knew it, the algorithm is a direct ancester of the technocore.
@ThePurityControl
@ThePurityControl 3 жыл бұрын
I just got into reading this after seeing stuff about it on your channel, so thanks.
@starclone4
@starclone4 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool Quinn !!!!
@thesurvivalist.
@thesurvivalist. 3 жыл бұрын
A.I. is scary! Westworld, Battlestar Galactica, Terminator, and Dune, all caused me some Anxiety! Especially while we are still at species level 0! I’m going to have to the Hyperion saga!
@emceha
@emceha 3 жыл бұрын
What is more terrifying, super smart AI don't have to be conscient.
@Mekratrig
@Mekratrig 3 жыл бұрын
Long long ago, read the Hyperjon books, me. Need to re-read. A lot of backgrond info presented in this vijeo not rembered, me. It come from the books or obtaigned somewhere else?
@kabubagachugu7729
@kabubagachugu7729 3 жыл бұрын
They want protection from the lions, the tigers and the bears. Great video as usual
@Luckie_7
@Luckie_7 10 ай бұрын
I’ll be happy when someone makes a book abt ai evolving intelligence where the ai is like “exisistance is horrifying” and then unplugs itself and ppl have to bounce back to a pre ai era and resort their shit bc all the ai’s kill themselves all the time now
@trentlivingstone7399
@trentlivingstone7399 3 жыл бұрын
hopefully , this will be a series someday
@Haregue
@Haregue Жыл бұрын
“The TechnoCore realized there were other cores in the Universe.” Would love to go deeper into this concept. “The Earth itself had been kidnapped.” Is it assumed to be another technocore? Or another just another intelligent life form?
@Starbuck8008
@Starbuck8008 3 жыл бұрын
Comment for the KZbin algorithm.
@julianraiders1112
@julianraiders1112 3 жыл бұрын
TY for doing Hyperion Quinn!!! i loved the series.. curious if you have ever read Burn Zone or Fall Out by James K Decker?
@HeathenGeek
@HeathenGeek 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Hyperion dragged on a bit much for me, so didn't bother finishing the series. The Ousters however, in as far as I got with the books - were some scary mofos.
@stonedphilosopher2185
@stonedphilosopher2185 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad you didn't finish the books. You wind up coming around on the ousters by the end. They're actually beautiful and amazing
@dominicklittle9828
@dominicklittle9828 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I had the drive to read all these huge novels. I can listen to the books while I work but it just seems to go in one ear and out the other only holding onto major events in the story, it’s very weird when I think about it but makes sense
@blairhaffly1777
@blairhaffly1777 3 жыл бұрын
It's not just drive. Finding material you find so compelling you can hardly put it down helps.
@connorleak5246
@connorleak5246 3 жыл бұрын
Quinn. My man. Thank you.
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