We Don't Talk About Dan Schneider

[@QuintonReviews]

Just wanted to clarify a little mental typo - towards the end of the video I say "Brian Robbins" when I meant "Brian Peck." It's just one of those slips I didn't notice until after it was posted! I wish I had more time to review this for the one or two flubbs like that, but for now my sincere apologies to Brian Robbins for not catching this.

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

Bro Brian Robbins 'bout to get PISSED

[@Lichessdude128]

Thank ya for the video.

[@placeholder8392]

You ought to pin this m8

[@PhenixhasrisenREAL]

Is there a meaning to the ending segment with you going into that building?

[@dontrelate465]

@@AlienIOIandroktone😂

[@thegamedevcave]

cool to see you're uploading shorts on this channel too now!

[@shakingmysmh]

LOL

[@Whoisdemar]

Ik it’s great to see Quinton make short form content

[@TheDarkSide73914]

Lmaooooo

[@evanandrewlofi]

Funniest comment I'll read all year

[@Dr_J_623]

This legitimately sent me 😂 Thank you

[@asparkof-light]

Brian Peck, as a registered sex offender of CSA, getting a job on ‘the suite life of Zack and Cody’ disgusts me in ways I can’t put into words.

[@natagu5794]

I don't know, if it's true, but Disney fired him when they found out about his past. But the problem is, that he already worked on three episodes. Why couldn't they just look more into people they hire?

[@Interstellar643]

Apparently, he also played the voice of London Tipton’s mirror…

[@SunBeeSmoked]

@@natagu5794yeah there’s only two real possibilities here. 1. They didn’t do their due diligence and hired him before a complete background check, which is neglectful at best. 2. They did do the background check and just hoped that no one would give them flak for it, but someone found out and “brought it to their attention”. Which would be horrific. I could see the actress of the mom finding out and raising hell about it considering how often she protected the kids on set.

[@strongestunited]

what about the short 16 month sentence???

[@blank3arth]

@@SunBeeSmokedFrom the documentary it seems like a lot of people didn't know the true horror of what Brian had done. Plus he was so well liked by everyone in the industry that it must have drowned out the bad stuff. Hence why Drake was so afraid to say anything at first.

[@patriciag6030]

Spending time explaining the storylines of Head of the Class for no apparent reason to then later demonstrate how he copied those storylines in all his own shows was genius.

[@Attmay]

He’s not just a pervert, he’s a thief.

[@onefourthhuman]

I know, I was getting frustrated like “I don’t need to know all this” then the punchline came and it made my jaw drop lol

[@collinbeal]

That's some good writing

[@phillipanselmo8540]

​@@Attmaybad writers copy, good writers steal

[@ellam1452]

guys I don't think it was plagiarism these are just common sitcom tropes. "kid group takes a trip to win a competition" is a trope. I'm sure the actual episodes were very different

[@CocktailFridays]

I love the genius of Quinton starting off with Head of the Class, which seems like an unusual tangent for a video that would eventually get to iCarly and Amanda show... and in his own description of Mr. Moore, says his stories begin with a "tangent that seems totally meaningless at first, before eventually revealing it to be an essential part of understanding a lesson or piece of the wider story.." the foreshadowing is amazing.

[@claires1063]

He's a really good, like, storyteller. But GOT DAMN DOES THIS MF TALK SLOW 😭😭😭

[@BadGirlTayTayNow]

yes!! this part was amazing haha

[@justinbond558]

Because he has a foot fetish??

[@Quinhala11]

Except it wasn't an essential part of understanding a lesson

[@claires1063]

@@Quinhala11 okay

[@babyblue3717]

Recently I've seen people commenting on Amanda Bynes tiktoks like she's not there, or is even a person. She makes a tiktok talking about the wigs she likes, and the first comment is about how Dan Schneider impregnated her at 13 and made her get an abortion. Ok, let's entertain that for a second. So, a victim of CSA, rape and forced abortion decides, after years of being away from the media, create a tiktok so she can tell people about her interests and objectives, she's talking about how she's trying again for a manicure license, and then decides to check the comments just to be BOMBARDED by triggers, EXPLICIT descriptions of what the worst things she has ever been through were like, and people speculating and theorizing about her as if she's a character and not a real person, and even demanding her to speak on it, to prove their theories, to show the aborted fetus, or something else shocking. True Crime content has truly destroyed people's capacity to respect victims. Or to respect anyone at all. Thank you for this video Quinton.

[@NoNameHereOrThere]

The sad thing is that she has said before that she hasn't experienced abuse on set and people won't just take her word for it, clinging to an anonymous twitter account instead. Same with people still claiming Schneider is the father of Jamie Lynn's child, despite the fact that we know who the father is.

[@soomise]

the way people talk about amanda bynes as if she’s not there pisses me off

[@cosmosisrose]

people really don’t give a fuck about victims of abuse and/or mentally ill people. it’s all for show, so they can _look_ like they care. as someone dealing with mental issues since I was very young I’ve always been able to see right through it and it pissed me off as a kid just as much as it does now. social media made it a whole lot worse but even before that was big there were always the family members and teachers and etc. who pitied me and talked about me behind my back, supposedly because they cared. I have to tread carefully consuming any of this stuff about child stars because although I thankfully never was one, they’re like the most clear target of this mentality and it triggers me. the fact it’s inescapable for them is so so sad.

[@blank3arth]

@@NoNameHereOrThereYeah Dan from the doc didn't seem like a pedo. I think he saw Amanda as his golden ticket that he could exploit.

[@oldasyouromens]

Amanda doesn't need that from strangers. No one does, but she's hypervisible.

[@helterskelter9670]

Quinton watches the whole of iCarly, then a reboot is announced before the video is released. Quinton plans to talk about Jeanette McCurdy's life, then she writes a book before the video is released. Quinton plans to talk about Dan Schneider, then he reappears after being silent for years, before the video comes out. Quinton is either the main character or he is been having some seriously good RNG.

[@BelBelle468]

It’s always crazy when you get into something, and after years of silence something related to what you’re suddenly working on or interested in becomes topical/relevant again.

[@SilverRagaire]

RNGesus works in mysterious ways.

[@daemonspudguy]

Por que no les dos?

[@Halfendymion]

Quinton comes up with the name "Metaverse" before Mark Zuckerburg but is only able to upload the video after Zucc announces it

[@JoseAGamez-ci9rt]

Please Quinton, make a video about me winning the lottery.

[@goldenthyme13]

Thanks for specifying that sexual abuse isn't needed for this to be bad and that severe emotional abuse is awful. I feel like a lot of people view it as a "lesser abuse" and like to project other abuses on it when it's horrid all on its own.

[@CyberGirl1234]

emotional abuse is insidious that way. we often attribute signs of it as personality flaws. we never know what someone is going through, especially what their world view was molded into. what worse is emotional abuse often accompanies physical abuse, but people tend to attribute the symptoms of the former to the latter ❤ great comment.

[@hannahp1108]

100%

[@lexa2310]

Never mind the intense sexism he apparently just casually threw around and how unstable he was as a person, poisoning the workplace for everyone.

[@ConejitoPequenito]

True, but this is also sexual abuse. It's both, and both are detrimental to the children's health. Those back- and foot massages do not go over the children's heads

[@tegantalks9612]

Alexa Nikolas has gone on record saying the only apology she ever got in regards to poor treatment on set was from Britney. She actually apologized to Alexa 3 times, once in a private DM, in an Instagram post, and in her memoir .

[@sketchyjulia]

Jamie Lynn apparently sent her a gift basket as one but she also asked her to appear in a “reunion” which ended up just being her singing the theme song with TikTok stars, and in her memoir that came out during the #FreeBritney movement she insinuated that Alexa was the bully/was gossiping about her (which both Alexa and Britney said wasn’t the case)

[@Sugarman96]

Genuinely good on Britney for doing that. By all accounts she's the big celebrity, she could have _easily_ gotten away with not apologizing and simply making excuses.

[@elfbreath]

Dan Schneider is a symptom, not the illness, and you might be the first person I've seen point that out.

[@quack9pm]

Bump 💥

[@CamBoone]

More like a virus, constantly mutating to infect other hosts on & on until it’s treated.

[@man4437]

I like to call this "chronic anti-systemic thinking",where people take what's clearly a problem caused by faults in our economic, social or justice systems, and - as Quinton points out - they choose a blatantly evil scapegoat to push all of their negative feelings about that system onto. It's a very conservative way of thinking. Not politically (although that does show, too), but it's a way for us to justify or ignore the material conditions that allow people like Schneider to do what they did. In this case, it's partially because it's uncomfortable to face just how incestuous and abusive the entertainment industry is. A similar "fall guy" is Epstein. We all know he was an awful guy, but the way he's talked about, it's almost treated like all abuse radiates out from him somehow and that if he weren't "taken out" he would've ended it all with his testimony, smoehow. The truth is, these are patterns of malignant behaviour that the system excuses or looks the other way on. It's not one guy, it's a history of men in positions of social and economic power abusing those with less. He's just such a comically evil guy that people can have a laugh at it and go on with their day without further insight needed.

[@csrjjsmp]

People don’t want to admit that men are the problem

[@reziinicoo]

@@man4437well said

[@mads_in_zero]

Honestly, the Quiet on the Set docco succeeded in shifting my opinion on child stars from "there's a pervasive culture of child abuse in the industry, stronger, stricter safe-guards are necessary" to "burn the entire industry down". Drake Bell's father was almost comically perfect - he got his kid into acting because his kid loved old movies and old movie stars, and he heard the warnings about how some people in the industry act and stayed _extremely_ vigilant. He never let Drake out of his sight, and he correctly identified suspicious signs around Brian Peck. But it wasn't enough. The industry's culture of plausible deniability and protection of their own in-group led to Mr. Bell being shunned on-set, and eventually, infuriatingly, forced out of Drake's life. The fact that a parent went so above and beyond in what their role as a guardian of a child star _should_ be, and it _still_ wasn't enough? It's fucked, it's completely fucked.

[@x-man9473]

We can burn the industry down if we start watching independent films more often, instead of the mainstream Hollywood ones.

[@vitalepitts]

@@x-man9473 it's not that simple. Part of why it's pervasive in children's media is the fact that children do not think about the actors' conditions and given how many children have unsupervised Internet access even still has created a giant industry of fucked up "children's content" online.

[@blank3arth]

It was truly horrifying and heartbreaking watching how good Brian was a driving a wedge between Drake and his Dad. It really showed just how much of a monster he is. It was good to see at the end they were able to fix their relationship.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Master gaslighters in that part of town, they're like a hivemind or a cult.

[@SeymourDisapproves]

​@@x-man9473 "vote with your dollar" is not a synonym for "burn this awful system to the ground." Christ alive that is the most lukewarm "baby's first praxis" take I've ever read.

[@takua1495]

That point at the end about not using Dan Schneider as a scapegoat for all the bad that was done to child actors is huge. Having listened to podcasts from child stars like the neds declassified one and the one by Christy Carlson Romano it's clear that there are abusers all over the industry. The power imbalance a kid has on set is huge and even when a show goes well for them they don't walk away without another part of their life being changed completely

[@Tessa_Gr]

Yes, people need to also talk about the systemic issues. The issue with Dan Schneider obviously is his actions. But it also is the fact he got to the point of acting like this, then could keep on doing this and get away with it for so long. If the system was better designed, he would have had his career ended much sooner, or maybe never set off like this.

[@Sugarman96]

@@Tessa_Gr Dan Schneider is such a good scapegoat for the industry, because anyone who grew up with his shows recognizes his name and face. Putting one guy's face on an issue makes it so much easier to cover the many other actors that are part of it. It's diabolical really.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

The one time I think they should be using CGI and AI to replace real actors is probably for child roles. Keep children off movie sets as much as possible.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepCompanies can make more money using kids because child stars are marketable and can be used to move merchandise. The industry would only stop using kids if using kids stopped making them money - if we as a society refused to financially support companies that used them. Instead we've always bought merch of kid stars for our kids. We fueled the machine.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Part of the reason I am opposed to things like a live-action ATLA or just about any property where child actors would be front and center. Is because you can just animate it and use adults. There are still systemic issues. But you can remove at least one vulnerable group from shows/movies.

[@gunver79]

I'm from Germany and I don't know anything about Dan Schneider nor did I watch a minute of any of the shows you mentioned. I still watched the whole two hours of your video because in this day and age it is so soothing to listen to someone trying to approach something with as much common sense and appropriate proportionality as he can muster. Thank you for that.

[@CobaltContrast]

Same.

[@wolfexer8250]

Same, but from Poland

[@ivanbitunjac3303]

Same, from Croatia

[@LegioXXI]

Well maybe you are born after the 2000s, but Dan Schneider's shows like iCarly or Drake & Josh were also massive popular here in Germany (and Europe in general). This doesn't make it easier, is like finding out an old friend from childhood landed in prison. So many innocent bubbles got shattered after learning about all this.

[@gunver79]

@@LegioXXI Born after the 2000s? Check my username and think again. 😄 Did your bubble get shattered?

[@christalcavanaugh]

The idea that a CHILD is at fault for tempting or seducing a grown adult man is horrific in any case. I don’t care what those people were told. There is no world in which I am demonizing a 14-16 year old CHILD for being assaulted. Disgusting.

[@the-berries-and-cream-dude]

And to make it worst it was all ADULTS blaming a teenager for “seducing” a grown man 🤮

[@SpellboundWolf]

Read about what the world did to Amy Fisher in the '90s, if you want to feel like garbage for a while.

[@sinnabab]

@@the-berries-and-cream-dudeno fr 😭 as the adult in the situation, THEY are the ones who should've removed themselves from it or taken measures to not escalate the situation, but instead they CHOSE to act on their desires and then blame the child for it because "oh, i'm/i was a responsible adult" (an excuse which became redundant the moment they laid their hands/set their eyes on the kid) so fucked up

[@cb-akp]

the fact that Peck was hired by Disney to work on another children’s show after serving prison time for assaulting a child is nauseating

[@UnprofessionalProfessor]

​@ville__Why, tho?

[@gracegonzales2815]

my mom made a very interesting comment that stuck with me. she said when an animal is cast in a show or movie there’s always a third party person (besides the trainer) to make sure the animal is being treated well on set. it’s just so sad to see that the same couldn’t be/wasn’t done for child stars… very much dehumanizing them for profit.

[@romanlegion5837]

Kids are supposed to have advocates on set for them, im not sure exactly how it works.

[@42seven]

honestly i think it's worse for human kids to be stars then animals, cause at least animals don't become more intelligent than toddlers, and animals will never understand people touching them weird unless it hurts them oh and animals won't go on to become addicts and/or hurt more animals

[@sophiekoester5214]

they do, child actors are unionized and so are the child wranglers who are meant to look after them. but as this video discusses, even adults who are protected by a union are not immune to workplace abuse that stems from exploitation, bigotry, or both-especially when so much of this abuse took place outside of the workplace.

[@Spagoooterman]

​@romanlegion5837 yeah. In california, parents are SUPPOSED to be with their children at ALL TIMES. However, in the case of schnider, the parents were afraid of ruining their childrens careers so they sat off to the side or in a complete other room and didnt do their legal duty. It would be like...if the second for the animal actor was bribed or threatened into not saying anything about how horribly an animal was treated.

[@atleyf3500]

@@Spagoooterman This also requires the parents to be decent. For example Jennetes situation wouldn't have been much better if her mother had been present at all times during filming. And I think a lot of parents who let their child become a celebrity care more about success than the wellbeing of their child.

[@Dappis]

Thank fuck you're normal about this and actually taking the issue seriously instead of treating it like internet drama.

[@violetsparkles5453]

Thank god. I’ve been avoiding my subscriptions all week because it’s all Dan Schneider stuff and I already know what they’re gonna say. I only and I mean ONLY exclusively clicked on Quinton’s video for the reasons you mention

[@LaLloronaVT]

@@violetsparkles5453fucking ditto, I’ve known for years about how awful it is to work in the industry as a kid let alone as an adult because I heavily wanted to be an actor since I was a kid, after plenty of research I was mortified at stories I’d hear or the treatment of child actors, I’m so happy Quinton actually presented a very thoughtful and thorough video that wasn’t just cheap and vulgar sensationalism

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@LaLloronaVT it’s not even just the entertainment industry. So much shit happens to people because shithead people are allowed to do what they want without consequence. Thankfully, it gets better… Hope you’re doing alright

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@LaLloronaVT I’m glad to see these situations talked about with the nuance they deserve

[@vespernight4236]

I feel the same. I saw recently its been coming up again on those shitty 'drama' channels and I didn't click on this video until I saw Quinton is the one who made it. Don't trust other channels to be...an adult about it.

[@z.m.stewart1996]

“”Because such poor boundaries were in place, something *must* have happened.” But this is the wrong way to look at this. The correct logic is, “something *could* have happened, thus there should have been better boundaries.”” 👏👏👏👏

[@nobushidono9897]

"Two points make a line, and that line goes in a direction." - One of the only intelligent things Asmongold has said

[@omgwtfbbq767]

"...I also got a lot less pretentious." This series has gone on so long that Quinton had a character arc.

[@1068cris]

💀

[@GDNachoo]

true though, have you seen the "2 AM Regrets" video in his second channel?

[@Yamartim]

Man has been doing this for like 4 years now it's only natural for him to grow alongside the project

[@CatBitchNami]

That is a understatement.

[@Litlilfrnchfry55]

he didn't really get less pretentious. He's the same to me. Look at the fall guy segment. He spent all that time building up the nuanced difference between what he knows, damn fucking well what that title implies, and what he actually means by it, only for that difference to be really really simple and easy to understand. Nobody is gonna misinterpret that, people just already kind came to conclude that implication on their own.

[@Drakewhobesilent]

As an CSA survivor, I applaud your efforts to not this video sensationalized and not including anything that was not verified. It shows you have a lot of respect for the topic

[@schmingbeefin4473]

​@@scoops929 Yeah... wasn't he found innocent, but none of the headlines were updated/not a big noise was made of him being innocent, so people still see him as an awful person?

[@elleuno1165]

@@schmingbeefin4473 it looks like poisoning the well. Once a story is out and running its hard to correct course, and why would they if it serves the need of the powers that be.

[@bece00]

@@elleuno1165 would love to know how you think this serves "the powers"

[@NoNameHereOrThere]

He pled guilty and was sentenced to two years probation@@schmingbeefin4473

[@Wrestleroftheyear]

@@bece00pretty obvious that Drake looking bad to the public clearly helps Dan and his crew of pedos. They can play it off like all the accusations against them are false due to it being the “bad guy” Drake that was abused Kinda the same way Dan did the fake ass “interview” with his buddy T bone from itself…..to cover himself

[@Jenninka]

“Creator of Young Sheldon and none pizza, left beef” I’m never emotionally prepared for you casually dropping mind blowing facts like this

[@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops]

Just like finding out Steve from Blues Clues sung the Young Sheldon theme song.

[@lagggoat7170]

Or that Anthony Padilla filmed the "Two bros sitting in a hot tub - five feet apart cuz theyre not gay" - Vine

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

​@@ElizabethMidfordHatesCopsHe's also in the show itself as a nerd with a Marvel comic that Sheldon wanted

[@HushSkunk]

Idk why but I always assumed the person who invented none pizza with left beef was a girl.

[@livelollobotomy]

SERIOUSLY i was like quinton PLEASE NOT NOW IM TRYING TO LISTEN TO QUINTON

[@muticere]

Hearing Dan say that women can’t be funny is just so insane to me I could die. He’s a sitcom guy. Who is responsible for basically creating the template that most sitcoms still follow? A woman! Yes, I’m talking about Lucille Ball.

[@queltonelhipster]

Exactly!

[@nothing4mepls973]

Not really contradicting him there.

[@BrainstormJr]

Sounds like being in denial to me.

[@jonathanmoore9356]

When John Belushi said if in the 70's I didn't understand but I feel it was at least a common outlook. In the 2000's and later? Come on my guy

[@wormwoodcocktail]

@@nothing4mepls973If you’re trying to say Lucille Ball isn’t funny… okay? So? She was funny at the time. Comedy is _notorious_ for aging badly in a way that other genres of art do not. A lot of comedy plays off of existing and established tropes. Comedies are very likely to make metatextual commentary on themselves… think of Deadpool or Rick Sanchez making jokes about being fictional. My _point,_ dude, is that whether modern people find Ball (or Mel Brooks, or Red Skeleton, or…) funny or not is irrelevant to what the OP was saying. And what did the OP say? Oh yeah. That _she helped establish the sitcom formula._ That has zero relevance to whether or not the comedy in 50s sitcoms holds up. So, basically, what you wrote was a non-sequitur.

[@iluvsonicxshadow]

"It might not be illegal, but its WRONG." You've perfectly summed up everything about the Dan Schneider effect in one sentence holy shit.

[@ghost_fishhh]

@ville__ huh?

[@Sugarman96]

​@ville__ who's Quinn?

[@Adrian-qk9jh]

​@ville__ ???

[@axr1798]

@ville__ Miranda Sings?

[@iluvsonicxshadow]

​​@ville__ my comment is about Dan Schneider what are you talking about

[@weebsneku]

Brad Pitt being on a sitcom with Dan Shneider was not on my bingo card

[@jonathaneilbeck2263]

You'd be surprised at how many big name actors got there start as jobbing actors. Watch any cop show, you'll see several pre-fame faces.

[@mrlevinielsen]

surreal

[@Daddywiseclussy]

Watch 21 Jump Street. The show not the movies. Brad Pitt had an episode with Johnny Depp

[@mickeyveach3612]

Brad Pitt made a lot of random appearances in sitcoms during the late 80s and early 90s. It's almost a fun little game.

[@violetsparkles5453]

Not Brad Pitt but Christian Bale played a lead role in an old Disney musical called the Newsies He’s a Disney child star.

[@PokemonkaDub]

Spencer is not Dan Schneider. He's Dan Schneider's sona, his self-insert, he's what Dan THINKS what he's like, Spencer is what Dan WANTS to be seen as, WANTS to be.

[@lokimiguel2452]

Nah Spencer was still bad a lot of times let's not try and ignore that

[@alnisssa]

@@lokimiguel2452i heard that he was always protecting the icarly kids. he would stay on set even when he had no scenes & i keep seeing clips of him interfering with dan from hugging the girls or touching them. he definitely shouldve spoke up but he was at the same time one of the only adults on set sticking up for those minors.

[@lokimiguel2452]

@@alnisssa talking about the character not the actor of course

[@toepuppet19]

I really wonder if jerry trainor ever caught on to this

[@lokimiguel2452]

@@alnisssa also this sounds like fan fiction for jerry

[@fluffywolfo3663]

"Mr Moore has a tendency to begin his lessons on tangents which seem totally meaningless at first before eventually revealing them to be an essential part of understanding a lesson or piece of the wider story." oh I SEE WOT U DID THERE

[@beccabrown7702]

Quiet on Set is ABSOLUTELY the industry's way of saying, "hey! we caught the bad guy! don't worry about what else is going on behind the curtain" so that they can continue to get away with the continued abuse of child actors. It's intended to make people at home feel like someone is finally taking action when that's not the case at all. I'm SO GLAD that this video exists, because it encapsulates the necessity of conversations that STILL need to be had and action that STILL needs to be taken.

[@dillonwalshpvd]

The fact that everyone isn’t seeing it that way is… well, I guess not surprising

[@unbotheredhoney3372]

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!! like yes its so good that things are getting revealed especially in the terms of CSA, but its so disheartening because the industry is literally BUILT off this shit and always has been! people found a culprit, a worthy scapegoat to point fingers too and im worried that its probably going to just end there while not real changes or actions are made!

[@shoyuramenoff]

Tbh, I don't see it that way. I got "this is just the beginning", not "we got em!" The ending was really somber and had no happy ending just "we are traumatized af now". I was really surprised, actually. I was like "wait, that's it? No wrap up?" I'm glad they did that. EDIT: Apparently the show isn't over yet. So it's still too early to say. But yeah, the entire thing felt really somber and respectful to the people who talked about their experiences, and it was more like a Nickelodeon predator timeline and how the child stars and adult crew members were failed by the industry.

[@snakezase2998]

It’s at least still a win even if it’s just the tip of the iceberg

[@quantumleap1491]

Yeah no, that’s not what this documentary was, while agree there’s more to come, but kids entertainment is just the tip of the iceberg, it’s the movie industry, the tv industry and the music industry, it’s Hollywood as a whole, and seeing it finally coming apart with diddy and seeing his friends leaving the country too makes me happy because every thing people like me and others who have been talking about this for years and have been told we are “crazy” q anon theorists it makes me happy to say we told you so.

[@Ray-wz8sg]

I feel like the take that Spencer is basically a Dan Schneider self-insert makes more sense when you realize that's totally how Dan sees himself, he views himself as this hip, cool older figure to these child stars, the ideal older brother as some fans say, the guy that may be a bit eccentric but still cares for these kids and gets them on the path to stardom. Spencer is Dan Schneider before you take a step back and actually see what's happening behind the scenes and realize how awful of a person Dan is.

[@caio7932]

That's what I thought too, its more of a idealized self image thing rather than like a deep look into his psyche or something

[@IoleAllia]

Same honestly. I had such a visceral knee jerk to it but it makes sense and it's so. Sad honestly. Spencer is the Dan that he wanted everyone to see him as and instead in reality he's just hurt so many people

[@anonymous-rq2lh]

this comment actually reminded me of that one icarly christmas episode (forgot the title, it’s the one where carly wishes spencer was “normal”). it hits so much worse with quinton’s theory in mind: spencer does something reckless that has destructive consequences, carly is understandably angry and wants spencer to act his age, but changes her mind after seeing an alternate reality where everyone is worse off in exchange for spencer being “normal”. now it feels less like a story about carly accepting her brother for who he is and more like “dan/spencer does destructive things at the expense of the young people around him, but what can you do? we’d all be worse off if he chose to be the adult in a given situation”. (i doubt that was actually the intent, but still)

[@smoldream2908]

not to mention the similarities between Spencer and other character archetypes from his previous shows that Quinton points out

[@makesurehegotgreen]

This is so true and because of this i think if Spencer was played by anyone besides Jerry Trainor it would not read well.

[@synsyn5875]

seperating the art from the artist is getting really difficult when every 3 minutes in these shows you are bombarded by something that makes you go "oh thats not-"

[@Stonedandbookish]

It's almost as if people can't always separate the art from the artist bc the artist is intrinsically linked to the art. It's ok to have nostalgia for things you enjoyed as a kid. Nostalgia blinds people sometimes. But I'm someone who really can't separate art from artists. If ppl can that's great, but I can't.

[@lenlaegrim]

@@Stonedandbookish yeah same, I've always taken "death of the author" to mean that once the thing is done, creators don't get to tell you how to feel or what to think or if what you interpret is right or not. In a lot of media classes they'll straight up tell you that it's impossible to separate art from artist because we impregnate all that we create with our worldview, as well as conscious and subconscious biases, to levels we will never be able to comprehend. Very much an "everything you've ever done and every person you've ever been has influenced you and made it into the creation of this thing in one way or another" situation

[@gaymer42069]

Release the Schneider cut. 🗣️

[@lionsenkei1621]

Ya i can agree

[@littlemoth4956]

@@lenlaegrim "it's impossible to separate art from artist because we impregnate all that we create with our worldview" That's incredibly stupid because it implies that you can't take your own opinion of the work. For as long as people can interpret a piece of media separately from how the author intended, then it is very possible to separate them.

[@TsukasaElkKite]

Explaining the storylines of Head of the Class for no apparent reason, then later demonstrating how he copied those storylines in all his own shows was genius.

[@wesleypoep4328]

I only realized at 19:08 and died laughing when hearing his sarcastic narrating voice. Crazy how i never noticed it

[@InnesTahtinen]

I think you took this comment from one further up.

[@potatosack04]

​@@InnesTahtinen bot

[@henriquefernandes3510]

The "fall guy" is getting to me when people say things like "oh thank God I was a Disney kid". LIke??? Yeah, it's gotta be a Disney Adult to believe that Disney really protected those kids. Especially with the Brian Peck/Suite Life thing.

[@bekaz13]

Disney also worked Miley Cyrus into the GROUND. The channel Deep Dive has a great series on Hannah Montana, as well as a vid on Disney Channel as a whole.

[@KetchupRocket]

Also blames kids who were mindlessly watching TV as children do. There was no internet then (not really) and even so, how was anyone just watching a tv show going to know if they were ethically consuming media or not? Absolutely insane take for people to have to say that. Damn.

[@bekaz13]

@@KetchupRocket I don't know that most people are blaming, necessarily. I think it's normal to feel relieved that you weren't unknowingly a consumer of whatever content abuses are being revealed about. It can totally have the effect of making others feel guilty if they were, but it's not intentional.

[@KetchupRocket]

@@bekaz13 I mean yeah but I wasn’t talking about relief. I was referring to people saying “thank god I was a Disney kid instead of a Nickelodeon kid.” It may not be intentional but it insinuates blame on someone for consuming content they had no outside awareness of, especially as a child. But even still, a bizarre take seeing as Disney is no better.

[@bekaz13]

@@KetchupRocket To me, "thank god I consumed other media" is an expression of relief, though. Like, "I'm glad I didn't unknowingly give money to those monsters." No one KNOWINGLY did, but "I'm glad I wasn't involved" is a reasonable feeling to express. Like I said, it can unintentionally make people feel guilty that they were, but to say it insinuates blame is reading into it a bit IMO. "They're not saying I did anything wrong" and "What they said makes me feel guilty" are two statements that can be true at the same time, is all I'm saying. And yes, we all agree that it's naiive to assume Disney wasn't just as bad.

[@arianaking2310]

The way my jaw dropped when he unveiled the wash rinse and repeat of the plot lines and characters.

[@remiliascarletmybeloved]

In retrospect it makes a bit of sense when you realize Dan’s history in the industry and something about how there’s nothing new under the sun, but the sitcom as a story telling tool is only as creative as a writer’s imagination can be And dan’s isnt that extensive all things considered

[@Attmay]

@@remiliascarletmybeloved he is a hack as a writer, a cad as a person, and perfectly adequate as an actor. He is the weakest link in *Good Burger* and the sequel was to keep that story going without him. Even the clips of him in the 1980s are difficult to laugh at knowing what kind of a person he is. In the abstract, they might be OK, nothing special, aiming for a little bit higher than they reach like a lot of the shows of this nature, but this is just too big to ignore. He deserved the Roseanne treatment more than Roseanne did!

[@MyriadMaestro]

I'm surprised people aren't talking more about that ending segment. To me, it is an undeniable fact that Dan Schneider is hardly an exception in regards to the horrible treatment of child stars in Hollywood. People like him aren't an outlier, they are a symptom of a broader problem.

[@elizabethbeatty2372]

Not only is he not an outlier, he's almost the expectation.

[@marioex497]

That’s kind of his whole point. Yes Dan is terrible because of what he did, but hundreds of Dans exist and the environment of those around them prevent real backlash or systemic change

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@marioex497 He’s so much the expectation that anyone who actually worked in the industry like Kayla Says and John Fountain have to fight off accusations of always being miserable or helping contribute to the problem.

[@Sugarman96]

He's only the exception in the sense that he's such a recognizable name and face, that's what makes him so easy to focus on

[@quack9pm]

Please watch bojack horseman, everyone who agrees with this comment and is interested in this specific topic

[@electrotango3835]

Very important point that people seem not to be sure how to properly contextualize this sort of controversy. Many people focus on their own relationship with the characters in these shows (e.g., "my childhood is ruined") rather than being able to think of child actors as real people who exist and have lives outside of the feelings of the audience. I don't think people do this out of malice but it's an extremely important thing to recognize and correct in ourselves.

[@NeonUFO]

something i took note of when watching this video was that you didn't skirt around the heavy words, didn't try to mute them out or use more algorithm-friendly alternatives or tiktok code words like so many youtubers do. you understand the weight that comes with those words. personally i think this shows an additional layer of respect with which you handled this topic, and i really appreciate your overall extremely nuanced and extremely tactful approach to this video. amazing work.

[@andeggbreaks]

Very true

[@inandoutofreal1ty]

I hate when they use funny wordplay

[@Emeraldrox303]

People like, say, Alexa Nikolas, HAVE to skirt words because her platform wouldn't exist if she didn't. She is a victim, and fights for victims, and wouldn't reach the audience shes got without censoring for the algorithm though.

[@Attmay]

Now you know what Hollywood writers had to go through under the production code. To think we went from seven words you can’t say on network television to 800 words you can’t say on KZbin.

[@NeonUFO]

​@@Emeraldrox303I think it was clear in my phrasing that I was not talking about victims, and I trust that most people who read my comment intrinsically understood that. I'm referring to KZbinrs who cover things like drama and true crime, who, even if they very likely don't _mean_ any disrespect, come across disrespectful by self-censoring (sometimes in very immature ways) for the sake of appeasing algorithm and staying monetized, essentially treating other people's trauma as their content. People who are victims and are doing this to break through the algorithm are, obviously, not in the same category.

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

It’s also one of my biggest pet peeves that every internet detective has gone “pedophile crazy” where they think it is their sole job to locate pedophiles and out them. Children can be abused WITHOUT sexual abuse, and that is STILL BAD!!! These “pedophile hunters” constantly spread misinformation and devalue any abuse that isn’t direct sexual contact.

[@ItBeThatWaySometimes]

The entire Alexa Nicholas “eat predators” thing is absolutely what you’re talking about. It’s insaneeee

[@iatecielssoulsorrysebastian]

This reminds me of the whole mamamax situation where he turned out to be a huge fraud and never got a single pedo arrested

[@RevanAlaire]

@@ItBeThatWaySometimesAnd used to disparage or even dismiss the abuse she experienced.

[@circeeldritchworkaholicwitch13]

@@iatecielssoulsorrysebastian ..what? wait explain, i really looked up to mamamax (but have since fallen out on his content)

[@angeltheprocrastinator8014]

victoria justice and others on zoey 101 were 13-14 kissing 18-22 year olds on scene that is proof of sexual misconduct and assault of minors that was happening on set.

[@liamodynsky4871]

Blind clips of Head of the Class are like a terrifying drug trip. Celebrities pop up out of nowhere, and Dan Schneider is constantly lurking and jump scaring like some sort of terrifying slasher villain.

[@tdjhue]

You said this perfectly

[@Beansquishy]

Literally, it's so disorienting

[@tdjhue]

@@Beansquishy fever dream

[@eliasmg9144]

Seeing Brad Pitt and Dan Schneider share the same room is genuinely uncanny

[@Wrestleroftheyear]

@@j0sH092yes simpleton. And if you didn’t know Hitlers history you wouldn’t look at him in a bad way either…. Do you actually have a damn point?

[@Seraph.G]

This video drives home something I've been thinking for a while: Quinton is the most important media critic discussing these shows. The depth of knowledge and nuance is striking. Many people are flippant about these videos because the media they discuss is made for children, but it is that very fact that makes critiquing it so important, especially when children are harmed in its production. Quinton, I have followed your work on this series on Patreon for years. I know there were many ups and downs throughout its production. Your perseverance in completing it is admirable, and with this video as a capstone, it is truly a masterpiece of media analysis. You drew people in with the very nostalgia you then unpacked and made millions consider the shows they grew up with in a different light. Our generation needed this incredible content, and I hope with the self-reflection it inspires, we can come to deserve it too.

[@HughMongusJazzhole]

He has a few weird takes, but I still like his vids anyways.

[@yeahsureb]

Classic Quinton to work on this project for months only for the situation to blow up way before he could upload the video 😂

[@brandoniswhoiam]

“I’m not finished yet!”

[@twite5462]

He references the doc several times in the video though, he had the info while recording at least

[@deathcon6261]

@@twite5462 I think what sploosh was mentioning was that Mr. Schneider finally broke his years long silence in response to the doc.

[@AyyGin]

Going off of Google Trends, interest in the topic of Dan (get in the van) Schneider is currently at an all time high with the absolute peak being only a few days ago. I'd say Quinton's timing is basically as good as it gets.

[@Jake-qt1dp]

Tbh he will probably get a lot more views now that everyone’s on this - but he’s expanding on it a bit more than most others can

[@JamesTimSamson]

Making rule # 1 "I don't wanna get sued" is a high IQ play you don't see often.

[@Planag7]

Why though? People needed to put themselves out there. Look at Cosby...

[@thewhitemonkey64]

Cosby’s case is so beyond messy that I’ve actually come around to believing him. Same with Michael Jackson tbqh. The media tries their hardest to crucify people because then they’ll have headlines that’ll sell, and it makes actually investigating legitimate sexual abuse harder to do.

[@vamp_valentin]

i lowkey disagree, i feel like way too many youtubers use the "not getting sued" excuse and it just makes me wonder how many of them are actually out there getting sued by the **non-online** people they criticize. (i know some influencers and creators are very fond of cease and desists and sham lawsuits). Obviously Quinton has a big platform and this is a popular topic so i can see why he would avoid it, but a lot of smaller KZbinrs will pull out that excuse for way less relevant topics and it just seems like they're trying to protect their monetization status by not discussing serious issues. could also just be me getting pissed when people don't reveal the juicy shit tho LMAO

[@rolandverde8771]

​@@vamp_valentin100% the latter

[@evandaymon8303]

For first two replies it is simple. These are very powerful people, he even state he is only using official sources not some tommy sob rocky source that may not be actually true and finally you tried talking shit at a corporation in front of them or some celebrity see how that goes? If you are upset he wont do it. Then you go ahead do it yourself

[@SwirlSnail]

As a child SA survivor who has talked fairly openly about what happened to myself, I can say very anecdotally that people need Schneider's offenses to be more severe/true because its a tragedy they can understand in black and white terms, similar to how 'we know a billion is a big number,' but we don't fully understand how big it is comparatively to a million. Having 'bad boundaries' or experiencing 'harassment' has this weird sort of 'victim blame-y' mentality that permeates it. Things like 'Why didn't they tell an adult, why didn't they tell a union, why didn't they stop working on the show? What could the victim have done to make their circumstances better?' in a capacity that shows they've never been in that situation, and can't fully empathize with it, despite perhaps being sympathetic. It's the same notion that permeates the discussion around domestic abuse. Why don't you just leave? If the offenses in question were more explicit, then you can just point to the offender and go 'that's a bad person' which is far more digestible. Not sure if that musing at 44:45 was rhetorical, but, if not, that's probably your answer.

[@Ray-wz8sg]

This 100% I now this as someone who me and my family were abused by my father but almost all of it was verbal and emotional abuse, yet when asked to describe the abuse for legal protection we brought up and focused on the very few times there were threats of physical violence. People cannot get into the head space of someone going through mental abuse and can only understand it in terms of what the abuser did to them physically, and that causes people to want to add more to this story because apparently a producer demeaning child actor to the point they run off crying and to the point that he couldn't be trusted to direct a show in person isn't horrific enough without an SA accusation.

[@basser]

I think there's also an unspoken aspect here in that this was honestly not entirely abnormal behavior towards children back in the 90s. I personally remember multiple instances of adults, some I still deeply respect, demeaning and belittling me in ways very similar to Dan's style of emotional abuse. I also remember adults uncomfortably sexualizing me or making dirty jokes at me expense when I was young, thinking I wouldn't get it. So I wonder if, on top of wanting his crimes to be worse for the reasons you've stated, there's also an element of people not wanting to confront the uncomfortable possibility that a LOT of us were abused like this. Especially us millennials who were raised by boomers. It becomes exhausting having to look back at one's childhood and realize how profoundly our parents' generation failed us at every step of the way, so I can understand wanting the situation here to be worse so that we can at least say, well, he was evil. Instead of having to say, well, he did exactly what my teacher/coach/parent did to me.

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@basser i mean I would argue that Dan was a little worse than many of those people but yeah

[@Ziobbe]

​@@Ray-wz8sgI fully agree with everyone here. As a survivor of many years of narcissistic abuse from a parent, it's really hard to get people to believe you when you don't have a huge example to point to. Turns out genuine, actual, diagnosed PTSD can come from one big event;, like being hit by a car; or thousands and thousands of small events, like experiencing emotional abuse and gaslighting every day. But when you try and explain it, there's always someone who can only understand the events as happening once. "My dad gaslit me all the time" is translated to "My dad gaslit me once", which makes people think he wasn't that bad. To put it in blunter terms: SA with penetration and holding the victim down, you can get most people to understand that's abuse. SA where it's the constant ignoring of boundaries and many "smaller" things like keeping trying to ghost condoms or reaching up to choke them even though they said to never do that or pushing them when they aren't fully consenting or getting them tipsy so they'll be "easier"... that's a lot harder to convince people. Mostly because it takes so long to tell the story. You're a lot more likely to get "Maybe it was partially your fault too" when it's like that, too. A nuclear reactor blows up and kills a thousand people in a small area; easy story to tell, gets people moving. A coal plant spews pollutants into the air that kill ten thousand people spread across a large area; hard story to tell, doesn't impact people emotionally nearly as much, "Maybe they were just sick and would have died anyway". A thousand people die of farming accidents caused by unsafe machines; hard to tell, spread across the whole country, little impact. Ten people are shot by a serial killer; easy to tell, huge impact. One hundred hospitals have small electrical problems that cause them to lose capacity for ten patients each; not a story. One hospital has a blackout that causes it to lose capacity for one thousand people; big news.

[@neoshenlong]

Hey, thanks for your input. As a teacher, I feel very similarly about education. Our system is very, very flawed and needs changing but it's easier to look at the whole picture and then just pinpoint the couple of teachers who do very very bad things instead of all the abuse and trauma we've normalized as adults towards children constantly. We need to start asking harder questions and maybe stop looking for answers so fast that we miss the point of asking the question in the first place.

[@enimo9241]

1:01:15 The "created by Dan Schneider" text appearing right after the line "Feel these kids' feet" could not be more perfect

[@lukas.andrew]

LMFAO

[@thatcher6923]

I remember my dad (he’s a producer) telling me a few years ago that he’s heard bad things about working for Dan Schneider through other people. What’s insane about this is that he works in neither tv or live action, which means Schneider was so bad to work with that you could hear about it from the other side of the industry.

[@emberjean4230]

What kind of producer exactly?

[@maccamachine]

@@emberjean4230poop producer

[@Planag7]

Been that way since the 90s. Hell in the 30s, people were hiring male prostitutes that reminded them of Jackie Cooper. "Nothing changes. Cause it's all the same...!!!"

[@nikkichavez8418]

Yeah what kind of producer?

[@stanen]

​@@emberjean4230probably porn

[@froyotastic5665]

using a slowed down piano version of Filthy Franks Dan Schneider song chorus was such a fucking power move cause that song has been stuck in my head since i finished quiet on set

[@QuintonReviews]

you're the first person I've seen ever figure out what that is

[@jordancantrell6598]

@@QuintonReviews Ah yes, the old lore.

[@EddieSparxx]

@@jordancantrell6598The ancient texts…

[@Lycaon1765]

Ah fuck I must've missed it smh

[@That-Lo-Life]

Literally popped in here to mention this

[@definietlynotowl3607]

genuinely appreciate the way you covered this topic. The way people discuss Dan makes it seem like the stuff we already KNOW he's done isn't 'bad enough' but like, he's sexually harassed minors, the massage stuff ALONE is enough for me. I don't WANT there to be anything else, because these kids have already had such fucking heartbreaking stories.

[@daanthedoctor]

the severe emotional abuse of children as it is should also be "enough", I'm a survivor of both csa and emotional abuse and they're both just as life-ruining

[@definietlynotowl3607]

@@daanthedoctor agreed. Like even if he didn't lay a hand on those kids he should never have been in a position to talk to children like that

[@ezentsy3329]

that's heartbreaking, I hope you're doing okay@@daanthedoctor

[@polocatfan]

@@daanthedoctor everyone like you keeps downplaying the sexual harassment and it's disgusting. yes the emotional abuse is enough but SEXUAL HARASSMENT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.

[@misterniceguy429]

So here’s some fun trivia: When the 2012 version of TMNT was set to release there was a bit of controversy with the show because the voice actor for Leonardo, Jason Biggs made parents worried and Nickelodeon skeptical about having him on the show. Jason Biggs is known for staring in some inappropriate films not intended for children. Around the early development of the shows third season and possibly the late development of the shows second season, Nickelodeon decided to replace Jason Biggs. Keep in mind Jason did nothing wrong to have Nickelodeon replace him. He may have made some offensive jokes on Twitter, but he apologized for offending anyone and even deleted the posts. Yet Nickelodeon was perfectly fine with keeping Dan Schneider who’s been very abusive and creepy around the people he worked with including the young actors, and have then do some questionable things on the show like pouring ketchup on someone’s feet or have them wear some skimpy clothing.

[@PetProjects2011]

Probably because, to them "Dan Schneider makes us money. Jason Biggs doesn't. Can Biggs!"

[@fernie-fernandez]

In fact, the movie that Mr. Biggs is, forever known for…is American Pie. The contrast about American Pie, compared to Dan Schneider’s work, is that the former’s “humor” was full-on unfiltered, with a low-brow level of comedy. Meanwhile, Schneider’s humor were childish, relies on deprecating unintelligible jokes…with a pint of fetishes and a hint of predatory. Sad to say is that Mr. Biggs, alongside the cast of American Pie, had been royally screwed-over slowly since that film. Alyson Hannigan has tried to go for a much more approachable career, Chris Klein has his ups-&-down while being unfairly treated as a clown on the web, Sean William Scott tried & failed…and moved to Canada, I believe. Tara Reid…whatever happened there.

[@maddieb.4282]

It’s also about what was more public. The Biggs issue was being discussed openly and there were tweets. The issue about Schneider being creepy was not public knowledge at the time, which means they decide to address situations only when they become a major PR issue for them.

[@Jmonkeh]

There really is a devaluation in America of any forms of child abuse that isn't sexually touching kids. Mental and emotional abuse below that level can STILL be just as devastating to a child. But a lot of the time we treat them as "walk it off" situations...

[@raze2012_]

one's illegal and very easy to prove. One's not and nearly impossible to show. I do think there's a lot of autonomy kids loss after the turn from Gen X to millenial and Gen Z, and that equally stunt's a kid's ability to grow into themsevles, as they are robbed of valuable socizliation aspects and worldy views in order to minmax towards a harvard application or tunnel vision them into thinking there's only 3 types of viable careers. And that's another form of emotional abuse that is seen as accatable, "they just wanted their kid to succeed". No, you wanted them to live out your financial dreams and took everything from them. But that is a very hot take that would be shouted down in today's time. helicopter parenting was a huge mistake and stranger danger enabled it.

[@SuperMiIk]

Let's be real, people don't even take sexual abuse as seriously as they'd like to think they do. You ask anyone if they think pedophilia is bad and they'll absolutely say yes, but mention their favorite artist or celebrity or friend or family member and the excuses start. Or the claims that the child was lying. In all areas people do not tend to side with victims

[@marw9541]

"In America" is a really weird condition for your statement. Is it because that is the only country you are from and understand? Because I've seen this present in many places

[@naomidoner9803]

I hear your complaint and I agree with it but I want to add that until the last 20ish years even with physical SA the children weren't protected ... and if the abuse had not occurred within 7 years your time was up to ever do anything about it 😢 ..... I am just saying that we have come far in my lifetime to at least discuss this openly... also it was not limited to Hollywood ... 8 out of 10 girls I ever discussed this with had some form of sa .... keep the discussion going and the laws improving ❤ .,, I just want to add pedophilia is a sexual orientation that can't be reformed in a prison ... they become murderers in prison and leave no witnesses in their future assaults .... # Jessica Lunsford and Cherish Periwinkle .... just two little girls from my local area murdered by a previously convicted predator..,

[@undercookedtoast1479]

@@marw9541 just bc they say it happens in America doesn’t mean they are saying it doesn’t happen in other places. It is highly likely they are from america and that is the place they have the most cultural experience/exposure. Its not weird to limit smthn like that to a country or even a state/province, especially when the alternative is to assume the entire world operates in the same way as your home country/state/province/etc.

[@salmence100]

We now have two extremely public, intertwined cases, Drake Bell and Jennette McCurdy, that show that no matter what the quality or style of your parenting is, your kid can be chewed up and ruined by Hollywood. I also want to say how impactful the editing of this video is. Every few minutes I found myself gasping, pausing the video to think for a bit, and continue. Fantastic job on such an important subject.

[@CultofHappwer]

I 100% agree on the editing, this is the first video ive seen of this guy and it's freaking amazing Also holy crap salmence!!!

[@Yamartim]

SALMENCE DETECTED

[@sickgirlwren]

SALMENCE? also entirely good points

[@abbyz13]

bruh, BOTH of the parents were stage parents. Neither is superior just bc they cared that someone hurt their kid; they both LET these grown adults alone w their CHILDREN.

[@wildfire9280]

@@ChristieWojcik Automaton detected. Prepare to be liberated.

[@ana.medina]

what’s even worse about drake bells situation is that he didn’t just tell his mother, the first person who realized something was wrong was his girlfriends MOM. so many people failed him and the rest of those kids

[@angel2.077]

And the fact Drake Bells dad got gaslit about Peck not being a creep is just infuriating

[@Prymars_]

no real, and his accusations were proven false. i see so many people minimizing his situation bc some stalker accused him of sexting a minor

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

⁠​⁠He was convicted of it in a court of law. He pled guilty to it. Obviously what happened to him should never have been allowed to happen and the failure of proper boundaries being set and the willingness of the adults in charge to let things slide led to a pattern of concerning behavior and repeated abuse in his case as a child and that’s inexcusable and deeply sad. But he still chose to do what he did, perpetuate that abuse, and was convicted of it. Don’t be like the adults who let things slide. Don’t be like the adults that portrayed HIM as the one in the wrong and blamed the victim. People can have bad things happen to them but their choices are still their own and they are still responsible for their actions. Both things are true. Don’t blame the children who are victims because you are familiar with the adults involved, fans of their work, or sympathize with them. That said, it’s truly tragic that the only person at the time who seemed to be truly looking out for his well being was essentially ousted through manipulation and that nobody would take their concerns seriously, and that’s all too common in Hollywood when it comes to children. Often the children are punished or threatened or manipulated when the adults speaking on their behalf protest in order to protect them, and that’s just not how it should be.

[@Prymars_]

@@Jellybeansatdusk oh no i agree i def should NOT have happened, but there was no sexual texting between the two like in the case says- he texted a minor unknowingly and he pled guilty for still messaging them and felt awful n even said he shouldnt have messaged them in the first place

[@kikikiller1153]

​@@Prymars_ If it was in the case, why it doesn't exist or didn't happened? I honestly don't get why people are defending him, you can feel sympathy for someone who did a bad thing, they don't have to be innocent to deserve rights or to deserve to be protected, he got convicted for it, however it's important to recognize the system that made him like that so it can't happen again

[@Violetstar42]

I'm so glad you're approaching this in a well-rounded way. Abusive people aren't black and white evil, they can and often do do good things and show their humanity while at the same time continuing to be abusive people and that's really important to remember because if we forget this we'll be unable to recognize it in our day-to-day lives. I'm not great at wording this but anyway, I was glad to hear your take on all this. I also agree with you that these shows are the result of everyone who worked on them and I don't think the actors/actresses involved in these shows have to feel ashamed of their characters.

[@kora861]

The last part is such a breath of fresh air THANK YOU!!! The fact that everyone is celebrating that Dan got “caught” is why children still get abused. It’s never ONE PERSON ITS A SYSTEM. Did yall not listen to Jennette?? Were Amanda’s cries for help about her abusive parents the ramblings of a maniac?! We’re never EVER gonna have that conversation though because it’s easier when things are black and white. I will NEVER forget this quote someone said because it shows that yall didn’t care, you just wanted your suspicions proven. “HE is the leader. HE hired these men. The cast was HIS to protect. The buck starts and stops with Dan.“

[@DigiRangerScott]

And even after everything they put on him was BRIAN PECK’s doing (namely the general CSA accusations), they’re still acting like it was him. Not that he didn’t do anything wrong, but he wasn’t the perpetrator of THOSE things

[@theshire9173]

Yes! People need to realize that after being released from prison, Brian Peck was not rehired by Schneider. He was hired by Disney. This is not a Dan Schneider thing, not even a Nickelodeon thing. This is an industry problem. They do not care about the well-being of their actors so long as they make money. Disgusting

[@Tessa_Gr]

Yes, none of these problems started with him and it definitely didn't end with him. The fact he got away with emotional abuse, breaking child labor laws, having no boundaries, being extremely sexist, etc. for so long is the bigger issue. Because it could just as well have been someone different. Because the problem is a systemic one, if someone gets away with so much, that means that there is either not nearly enough oversight and/or some of it is encouraged or tolerated by the network. Anyone who is aware of family vlogging content knows that the same issues with child exploitation (in a variety of forms) for entertainment is at least as prevalent as it ever was.

[@nikkichavez8418]

I watch Alexa Nicholas podcast to know all the predators. The people that enable their behavior. Just heartbreaking because these children deserve to be protected. That parents were forced to be sidelined when they had concerns about the content. Or when they saw their children being abused. That they were automatically silenced, told that nothing is wrong. That their child should be grateful for getting the job. Which not only happens at Nickelodeon. Happens on any set in Hollywood. Where abuse is the norm and is not question because it has become so normalized.

[@Sugarman96]

@@Tessa_Gr In a way it's identical to Weinstein. What Weinstein did was abhorrent of course, but he was also backed up by a system that provided cover for him and ruined anyone who even considered speaking out, it was an open secret for a long time. I somehow doubt aspiring actresses are significantly safer in Hollywood now that he got locked up, because the system protects guy like him who help the bottom line, we don't know how many other Weinsteins there are out there.

[@lttlebird_]

Spencer is probably a great way to see how Dan sees himself. He's the older brother that everyone loves, he yells randomly and no one dislikes him for it. Spencer is the cool kid that Dan thinks he is

[@portcoastelle]

in a reaching way, its similar to bojack horseman's sitcom career

[@jaguarenduda]

and he fucks

[@thebosicothe]

Did Spencer ever ask for feet pics on the show, I never watched it

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

​@@thebosicotheSpencer trataba de cuidar a los niños es lo opuesto a sneider

[@calidabrisadeverano]

"I don't wanna be standing here in 38 years having this exact same conversation..." Funny thing is, in 1986, "On the set of The Lost Boys, Corey Haim confesses to Corey Feldman that “an adult male convinced him that it was perfectly normal for older men and younger boys in the business to have sexual relations.” ...

[@Guruc13]

That is... horrifying. Also, to keep this kind of information transparent, do you have a direct link to this quote? And I'm not saying this to imply that you're misquoting, I just want to keep information about this sort of thing accurate. I absolutely believe that that these issues in Hollywood go back very far. Edit: I just Google, is it from the 2020 documentary, "My Truth?"

[@AdamG1983]

So fucked up how they were treated

[@saixenophase]

I bet they used the ole "look at Ancient Greece" excuse to try to validate the shit they do 🙄

[@jahanb2002]

That man was Charlie Sheen who assaulted Corey and was caught with CP years later

[@honoratagold]

@@Guruc13 I believe the accusations first arose in The Two Coreys. According to a quick Wikipedia read, what @calidabrisadeverano specifically quoted seems to be from Feldman's memoir "Coreyography." While Haim went public with abuse accusations in the last few years of his life, most of what we know about what happened is via Feldman's comments after Haim's death in 2010. I 100% believe the accusations of abuse in Hollywood from both Coreys, but both are/were really troubled and Feldman is just a generally odd person, so his accusations were dismissed by a lot of people until recently.

[@tmtucker18]

This is the first report I've seen that actually zooms out on the industry as a whole rather than placing all the blame on one man. Thank you for doing this. Children aren't suddenly safe on sets because one man was fired/a couple "bad eggs" got cut loose. I don't wish more has happened, but assuming more has happened, I hope it keeps coming out. Nick, Disney etc need so many allegations and people coming forward that they literally cannot do anything but shut down or start over.

[@jamesrule1338]

"It's not illegal but it's wrong." Perfect way to describe it. No notes.

[@soulsecrets12789]

Legality v morality

[@soulsecrets12789]

@ville__ not really

[@RezValla]

Lawful but awful

[@jonathonclary1681]

My middle daughter was offered an audition once for one of these shows and I wouldn't even allow her to go. She was so angry with me, but I couldn't remember a single child star who didn't end up trading their childhood for a job only to have their lives fall apart in adulthood.

[@Howlzffffdd]

Bless you for that, your child holding a grudge for this is a small price to pay for their safety. One day they will understand why you said no and be thankful

[@direkeshinro]

you are such a good parent for that. I hope she appreciates how you protected her.

[@Young4eva121]

When she starts to be smarter she will thank you. I always listen to my parents when it comes to them protecting me, because they have my best interests. You’re such a good wonderful parent and an amazing human. ❤

[@devincetee5335]

The only exception I can think of was Shirley Temple, and she became a politician as an adult.

[@savannahm9943]

@@devincetee5335😂😂😂 Shirley Temple was also reportedly subjected to abuse.

[@mrlevinielsen]

"Showing pornography on the computers on set" is such a red flag. WTF?

[@SPACEDOUT19]

its just entertainment, why is that so weird. we all watch it

[@melodi2036]

​@@SPACEDOUT19 we don't all watch it and regardless it's inappropriate for a work environment. Literally nsfw

[@Kaz7.]

@@SPACEDOUT19at work? with other people? that's creepy as fuck

[@mkayyy1918]

​@@SPACEDOUT19Because it's on set with children. Also I thought it was child porn

[@radhapatel217]

He worked in children's television, with CHILDREN around his workplace

[@jumnyum]

I really am surprised no one is talking about the ending with the HOTC reboot being removed. It really ties together how devastating a situation the industry is. Not only are children still being put in dangerous, emotionally exhausting, and abusive situations, but now their work and effort and struggles might not even be there for the future. There will be nothing for these kids to be remembered by, and they’ll only have their time and energy wasted when their shows inevitably get taken off these services. Things really do need to change soon.

[@fernie-fernandez]

I believed the reboot was removed because Discovery were clean-slating shows that weren’t great at ratings, something that the reviews tells. Somehow, the reboot is on Tubi…

[@nostalgiamostalgia0319]

It's a sad case of lost media anyhow.

[@harper9246]

another thing i noticed a lot in zoey 101 was the subtle jokes about unhealthy eating habits, and how the girls were always dieting and avoiding sugary foods to stay skinny in the show at like literally 14 years old...cant even imagine the ideas that put into children's heads its so scary and upsetting

[@ducky19991]

Very true but this was also EVERYWHERE and inescapable in the early 00s, it’s not just that show but the entire culture

[@harper9246]

@@ducky19991 im definitely aware of that but it was still pretty extreme for a kids show at the time and I don't think other shows geared toward those younger audiences were as explicit in their references. i mean like he says in the video zoey 101 was more risque than the usual teen programs of the time and I think it definitely played into the normalization of diet culture in young teens

[@atomknight8361]

Diet trends were huge and everywhere in pop culture during that time

[@cb-akp]

i remember a scene making fun of a teacher (characterized as fat despite being a size 10-12 at MOST) for having “fatty” salad dressing. it made me terrified of fat in food and made me want to diet at 10 years old. it’s crazy how the media and messages you internalize as a child stick with you and mold your mind.

[@K-MasterGirl]

Yea I had to stop rewatching it because of that.

[@Victor-xb1my]

the message i got from this: its not dan schneider that's the biggest problem here, its nickelodeon. the corporation that hired him, let these children be abused, and continues to hire awful people and child predators on set with children. the cycle of abuse will continue, and the fight is not over because Dan no longer works there.

[@bluebaron6858]

Yep but sadly it's not the conversation people want to have.

[@alisona.4166]

It isn't just Nickelodeon, it's almost every entertainment company that has ever existed, it's the industry itself that keeps everything under wraps because they need to have creatives that produce content that will be well received at the fastest possible pace, and even just one person getting removed could cause many projects to collapse. These collapses lose the companies a lot of potential earnings, however their largest concern is that some of their stockholders may sell off shares, causing their value to drop, which may lead to more stockholders selling due to the sudden dip to prevent further loss of value until the stock is completely unable to recover and the company most likely shuts down. They fear that if the terrible things that happened are made known and punishments are made in a more frequent and timely manner that their entire companies will collapse, so they allow bad actors to get away with their abuses, which emboldens the sense of power these bad actors feel and allows for things to get worse. The companies only allow extremely underexaggerated versions of the abuse to be known after the bad actors become unprofitable, like how Henry Danger's underperformance was likely the reason Nickelodeon finally decided to let Dan go.

[@oliviaoob1426]

Quinton points out that the Disney Channel hires back Brian Peck after he's released from prison. Nickelodeon itself isn't close to being the biggest problem, it's that the structure of the system/systems we're in enables people in power to abuse and exploit without suffering the consequences. The entertainment industry is just one venue where that can happen.

[@LonelyStardefender]

you got only part of the message...watch it again

[@Cyborg-Ginger]

​@@oliviaoob1426 yes! I came here to comment this!

[@hahu9088]

"hm, why is he telling me of that old 80s sitcom?" ... "OH NO!" "oh no no no no..." ... "oh n- oh hey brad pitt!"

[@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA]

for me was like: "hm, why is he telling me of that old 80s sitcom?" "hey is that john travolta?" ... "OH NO!" "oh no no no no..." ... "oh n- oh hey brat pitt!"

[@hahu9088]

@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLADidn't even notice john Travolta 😂

[@Sugarman96]

@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA For me it was that, followed by: "Wait, is that Ke Huy Quan?"

[@ponzio8196]

It was a screamer when Dan appeared

[@Abby___Goth]

I'm faceblind, so I watched that entire segment thinking "Kinda a charming show ngl.. but why is he telling us about this? What does that have to do with Schneider?" while Schneider was literally on screen.. I only realized when Quinton pointed it out..

[@spengor.mp4]

“so. are you ready for the future? because i’ll tell you one thing- …i’m not.” with static growing steadily in the background gave me genuine chills. great fuckin job on this video, mate. really glad this was my introduction to your channel

[@ashofalltime]

the "28....... that DONT have a weird foot thing" was an AMAZING way to tell us that information

[@bluebaron6858]

And technically all 109 iCarly episodes have foot stuff in them 🤮

[@bluebaron6858]

And technically all 109 iCarly episodes have foot stuff in them 🤮

[@Nick_Fade]

My jaw dropped

[@thatonecatwiththetophat]

Yeah tbh I thought he was gonna say "that do" my man gave me a mental flashbang with the _dont_

[@skibidi.G]

109 countries!

[@trueadanr]

Quinton has one of the weirdest timings in the KZbin Reviewing Space, and we gotta love him for it.

[@vitaminwater9662]

Yeah im totally sure it was coincidence

[@cort1237]

⁠@@vitaminwater9662this has been the planned finale for the “miniseries” for like two years now.

[@Manakuuchiha]

It would be like if a Lost reboot was announced before Billiam finished his series

[@Planag7]

No

[@undo2redogacha852]

I mean it's a 2 hour video. Very possible that he started writing it before this. The scripting alone likely took a while on top of the research. ​@vitaminwater9662

[@Littlestraincloud]

the roundhouse kick of "the creator of young sheldon and none pizza left beef"

[@nolienn]

No literally, went from “oh okay, I know him” to “wait WHAT? BACK UP”

[@lologoaty]

thank god someone else was as shook by that as i am

[@sammathis8268]

"It might not be illegal, but it's wrong". Man it's good to hear you say that. I'm glad people out there still have a sense of right and wrong and don't just fall on the "well it's not illegal" bandwagon.

[@calistafalcontail]

Worldly law is flawed, spiritual law is perfect. No matter what humans declare to be okay at a certain time, whats right and wrong will never change and we will pay the price.

[@Cutieapplepie123]

"Dan Schneider will never work in TV again, unless The Daily Wire gets a really, REALLY stupid idea" Quinton don't tempt the universe like that

[@DissertatingMedieval]

They're already doing that "Bluey" knockoff and it's obvious they want to do more entertainment, so you may be right that it's coming.

[@SandwitchZebra]

Some of the hosts have already capitalized on the situation to talk about it (you’d think this would be a topic they’d have covered years ago with how “concerned” they are for children) Of course they’re trying to turn “the industry is corrupt” into “the industry is corrupt AND WOKE” but regardless, we shouldn’t have to worry about them doing anything with him

[@DwRockett]

Oh goddamnit, this is gonna happen now, won’t it?

[@eliasmg9144]

​@@DissertatingMedieval And Quinton has a weird talent with his timing, so... I say it has an 8 and a third chance of happening

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

@@SandwitchZebra Thing is the industry is in fact corrupt and woke, Dan aren't the only one i hope you know that

[@EmissaryofWind]

Spencer being a self-insert immediately made sense to me, and the knee-jerk reaction of saying that can't be true because they love Spencer so much misses the obvious point that most people would make their self-insert loveable. Dan Schneider, for all his faults, knows how to write loveable characters. Why wouldn't he write a self-insert as such? He wants to be close to those kids, to be both a friend, a fellow cool kid, and a dependable adult figure. To be fun to be around, someone they trust, someone they can talk to like a close friend but also respect the authority of. And so, he makes Spencer exactly that. But the key difference is, for the most part, it's appropriate for Spencer to be that figure to Carly, because he's her brother and her guardian. For Dan, however, his actors are his employees, they're under his responsibility in a fundamentally different way, and that makes it very inappropriate for him to be either a friend or a substitute parent. Dan cannot write himself into reality. He cannot write his actors and his crew to accept and forgive his actions at the end of the episode. He cannot make things work out like they do in his shows.

[@milouu_1194]

W take

[@CageBlack1443]

WAIT WHAT. (Sorry, I didn't watch the vid yet and went to the comments first) SPENCER IS DAN SCHNEIDER'S SELF INSERT?! Spencer's my second favorite character after Sam (who kind of became my favorite because I've grown very sympathetic towards Jennette) because of how lovable he is. Now I'm being told he's the self-insert of one of my least favorite people on the planet. I need to watch an iCarly episode later to confirm that I now hate Spencer. Probably gonna fail because... it's Spencer.

[@EmissaryofWind]

@@CageBlack1443 It's not confirmed, it's just Quinton's take and I happen to agree with it. But your response kind of goes along my point: Spencer being Dan's self insert doesn't mean Spencer is Dan. Spencer didn't mistreat and harass female crew members. Spencer didn't get inappropriately close with underage actors. Spencer didn't force crew to work insane hours. Spencer didn't make minors act out fetishy scenarios. Dan Schneider isn't bad because of some fundamental traits, Dan Schneider is bad because he did bad things to a bunch of people. You can love Spencer and hate Dan.

[@CageBlack1443]

@@EmissaryofWind Phew! (I really don't want to hate Spencer)

[@sarah258595]

i want to build on the "Why this matters" section. it starts with quinton describing how spencer is a stand in for schneider, and the backlash people have to that idea. he's everyone's brother! he's the ultimate idea of what a father figure should be! it is. SO insane to me. how on the nose these reactions are. THAT'S THE POINT. abusers aren't just in Full Evil Mode all the time, otherwise they'd never be allowed into positions where they can abuse in the first place. ANYONE around you can be an abuser, and if you don't allow yourself to see the positive attributes abusers can and DO have, you will never believe the victim of someone you think is "good". that's almost certainly how brian peck had people trying to construe that he wasn't truly to blame, because we can't bring ourselves believe that someone who does wrong would still be _likeable_ to us. so yeah. Spencer can be a character we all love, AND also be a representation of dan schneider who has done wrong. finding that conflicting only helps abusers get away with it.

[@Jukajobs]

also, if someone's gonna write a self-insert character, they probably won't include all the bad things they've done. spencer was what dan schneider wanted to be, how he saw himself or wanted to, rather than how he actually was

[@sarah258595]

@@Jukajobs no that's actually what i mean, that sometimes the way abusers "actually are" involves those likeable traits! it's not "rather than" how he was, it's _part_ of who he was. spencer as a representation of him is a lie by omission, but what wasn't omitted can still be true

[@SnoFitzroy]

More specifically, it's even harder to believe that a queer person can be a sex pest since usually it goes the other way. Extremely unfortunate that it did indeed turn out to be true this time :/

[@zoealmiron5615]

You are so right!!!! People should talk about this mofe often other than spreading a black or white view of situations so complicated as child abuse.

[@Sugarman96]

"abusers aren't just in Full Evil Mode all the time" this is incredibly important in actually understanding abuse. Abusers aren't grotesque demons who reek of death and have snake eyes, they're still people. And as people, they also have attributes and moments when they're actually positive, like how Dan Schneider was one of the few people who stood up for Drake Bell against Brian Peck.

[@cassandraperkovic6167]

It's sickening not only on the part of the entertainment industry but on the justice system. "You assaulted a child? You get um..... 16 months in jail and... uhh... a job with Disney." WHAT?! It just goes to show the justice system is only "hard on crime" unless the perpetrator has influence and knows some people!

[@ajgdwn]

We've officially reached the point where 2 hours of Quinton feels like 10 minutes

[@toxsicle9753]

Oh God, you're right. I need to go watch some youtube shorts to shorten my attention span.

[@greym3288]

honestly! like i watched this video in one sitting because i was like "oh! its a short one!"

[@HopefulTomorrow420]

I'mma rewatch the first Icarly vid now.

[@null-fl7qn]

.

[@erikbrock5444]

"We were demonstrating. A bunch of people in uniforms were rioting." Whatever else may or may not be true, that's based right there.

[@sarafontanini7051]

cause we must always remember: the police were always never on people's side. they were always the bad guys.

[@mikeymullins5305]

That was perhaps the best line, and I will be way more conscious of what I'm calling a riot now.

[@lemonscented7703]

a lot of the dialogue in those clips seemed really smart let alone for an old sitcom about high school kids

[@tegantalks9612]

@@lemonscented7703maybe because they had competent writers who they weren’t forcing to share a salary or forcing them to put super inappropriate humour into the script.

[@kitkatbreaker1270]

Based on what?

[@lauryn.online]

After watching this series, I went out and bought Jennette McCurdy’s book, read it all in one day, and then immediately gave it to one friend to borrow and recommend it to another friend. Thanks for giving me the push!

[@dinosaysrawr]

My biggest takeaway: Dan Schneider was permitted to act like a little boy, while his child actors were expected to behave and react like adults. I wonder what Dan Schneider's wife thinks about all this?

[@zab416]

His wife's brain has been turned to worms by configuring low-calorie swaps for fast food for the last couple of decades. IDK to be honest. Just feel like roasting diet culture at the moment, but I feel kind of bad for her. I think I would have left him though.

[@dinosaysrawr]

@@zab416, forgive me, but I also can't help wondering what her feet are like, given Dan Schneider's er, predilections.

[@MISSMADISONMEDIA]

The joke writes itself with this one but I’ll be nice and not speculate 😅

[@tiny6205]

@@zab416she gives me the vibe of the almond mom who is constantly eating keto and dieting and fasting and doing Pilates, while calling her husband her baby while stuffing him with tons a food as a way to make herself feel better because she won’t let herself eat it.. that’s probably so random but idk

[@craigyeah1052]

Probably not the biggest takeaway that should've been taken... away....

[@CascadianRanger]

This entire intro with Head of the Class is so stressful. Because you KNOW who Dennis is. You KNOW where this is going. But it starts like it's just another video about this obscure sitcom from the 80s.

[@tuchenciotuch3976]

Also it shows all the ideas he stole from this show

[@UnprofessionalProfessor]

​@@tuchenciotuch3976That the show stole from earlier shows.

[@BelBelle468]

I sure didn’t. Was waiting for when it would become relevant to the topic at hand, and then got major shock and whiplash when I saw a young Danny.

[@alexmun7391]

@@BelBelle468the whiplash was insane for me too, especially since i actually had no recollection of what dan schneider looks like, so when they were showing him i was like “okay, where is this going? is this a history of sitcoms kind of thing?” and then the words “daniel schneider” and my jaw dropped (mentally, i mean)

[@Pirategod23]

@@tuchenciotuch3976there are no new stories

[@Carolina57685]

"There's 28-" oh really? only 28 jokes- "...episodes of iCarly..." oooh JUST iCarly, yikes...but uh only 28 episodes, that's n- "...that DON'T feature the foot thing" OH GOD DAMN IT

[@eatatjoes6751]

Oh my God.

[@GamingArtistStudios]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who went through that emotional roller coaster too

[@soyboysupreme6190]

my friend group in school was mainly girls and we had teachers who did not sexually assault any female students (as far as we know, at least.) but consistently showed improper conduct. the emotional abuse and the crossing of boundaries and sexualisation of minors hits home - my friends changed their outfits to be less revealing for their classes, asked for other (often male) students to accompany them when interacting with said teachers, being treated as lesser or targeted in mistreatment, being ogled at and looked at when the teachers made improper sexual comments about the teaching material. and with this I can absolutely attest that it doesn't have to be sexual assault to leave scars and make kids feel unsafe and uncomfortable years after. these teachers never touched my friends but their behaviour stuck with them. all these things need to be judged, punished and prohibited from happening. our school failed these girls just as the network failed these child actors and actresses. absolutely disgusting.

[@Emnms68]

It’s kind of ironic that Spencer was written as a Dan Schneider stand in considering how Jerry Trainor tried to shield the kids from his emotional abuse and creepiness.

[@Synergy7Studios]

Sounds like he was the man Dan should have been, both in and out of character.

[@nicolasparadoja1443]

Literally who is coming up with this rumor. There are no actual sources for any of these Jerry Trainor claims.

[@rosamy2017]

If only the rest of the adults on set could have been more like Jerry

[@hurricanejaney]

what’s wild to me is that many people call Jerry a hero when i don’t think he considers himself as such. he upheld his morals in the moment. to us, that makes him a hero. to him, he was just a guy.

[@nicolasparadoja1443]

what's the source on any of these Jerry Trainor claims lol

[@ggsmith45]

I'm glad you did address Drake Bell's own allegations. There's room for both Drake to be a victim as well as for those he's harmed

[@cheekyhazelnut]

Hurt people, hurt people.

[@queencyrys6309]

@@cheekyhazelnuti do t think that’s an appropriate thing here, as it shifts the blame for the Abuse Bell did onto His abuser.

[@corvuscolbrand]

​​@@queencyrys6309 Bell didn't actually do anything however. The girl lied about her age, after finding out her real age he immediately cut contact with the girl and ended up pleading guilty to endangerment. Nothing of substance ever happened. Yes it was reckless of him to not make sure the girl was of age when they began messaging but to call him and abuser is going a bit too far. He's someone who should have known better, but he didn't abuse anyone and took responsibility for his actions. I urge anyone to actually look up the court proceedings and the evidence and what he plead guilty to, because he did not groom the girl in question, there's nothing to substantiate that, and saying that directly contradicts the evidence There was no evidence on either his or her phone of sexual messages. There was no evidence on his or her phone of illicit pictures from either party. There was no evidence on his or her phone of him participating in any type of relationship, even a platonic one. There was significant evidence of her stalling him online and at shows. There was no evidence of Bell ever calling her "hot" or encouraging her to send photos on either his or her phone. There was no evidence supporting any of her claims. What bell pleaded guilty to was endangerment for not doing his part to ensure this girl was telling the truth. Hence the charge for endangerment. Again to call him and abuser is going far and beyond all actual evidence we have, which all supports the contrary that he never did anything to this girl whatsoever beyond exchanging friendly messages until he found out her age at which point he cut contact and blocked her while she continued to stalk him

[@samuelrichards5521]

​@@cheekyhazelnut I've always preferred: make people cry, make people cry. But your's includes the ones who don't want to give you to satisfaction.

[@PrincessNinja007]

​@@cheekyhazelnut In cases like this it actually takes education and effort NOT to repeat the abuse, because you've got someone who has NO idea what appropriate boundaries are. I know some kids I grew up who had trouble with touching people because they'd been told over and over that it's not sexual or inappropriate to touch people like that, it's just a normal thing that normal people do. If one victim complains it's them saying "this is uncomfortable" against all of the grownups saying "if you're uncomfortable you're overreacting and being hysterical"

[@cherry_grove]

The way you described the plot of Guys Like Us, then What I Like About You, and the final revelation that iCarly used it for a THIRD time was pure comedy gold, I was not expecting that lmfaoooo

[@OhhSlash]

only 20 minutes but this is a very well written and structured video. I love how everything ties together with your first example when you reveal that dan didnt need to study sit com culture because he lived it.

[@elijahdoesstuff4600]

The problem with that new documentary, as important as it is, is that it seems to center everything around Schneider and make him seem like some sort of ringleader. Whereas Dan was more a symptom of a bigger problem in the children’s entertainment business.

[@ianmcdonald6617]

The industry politics of it are also not lost on me. Like, I get why something connected to Viacom wouldn’t have been covered by one of their subsidiaries, but it also seems pretty convenient that it was released by a Warner subsidiary, considering that they also have a Schneider-esque case with Sam Levinson, especially after HBO defended him against similar allegations, and after an infamous flop earlier in the year.

[@scz1770]

The documentary is literally about him and his actions and his empire so to speak.

[@gustsword6588]

while he's guilty in a lot of shit he's also a scapegoat for the industry imo. "Look look we're taking him accountable" mostly because a lot of people has come public about him specifically. Not talking about other shitty people or why and how all of that happened in the first place.

[@Acquilla7]

@@gustsword6588 Yeah, exactly. What Schneider has done is unmistakably awful, there's no denying that. However, it's irresponsible to focus solely upon him when there were also people who ALLOWED him to continue doing what he was doing. There were dozens of adults on that set, most of whom are only speaking out now because of the public scandal and because their careers aren't on the line anymore. And then there are the people above him who continued to greenlight his shows. Schneider could not have continued to do what he did for as long as he did if there was not a culture that placed careers and ratings above keeping vulnerable young actors safe. And it is laughable to think that he is the only person who has ever taken advantage of that position.

[@AeonKnigh432]

It genuinely goes so far as to have an abuser appear in the show to talk about it and just ignore the abuse he dealt. Its insane how hard it misses the point.

[@jaeminthecreator2877]

"who can forget original episodes such as..." oh you COOKED. you CLOCKED. i've never watched dan's first "sitcom", and i was a little confused on why you dedicated the first part of the video to just talk about that show, but there was a reason omg you clocked it so well. no words

[@Attmay]

One of the producers of *WKRP in Cincinnati* was the same guy kkkirkkk kkkameron had fired from his show who actually got caught with CP. KRP = kreep Hiding in plain sight. At least that show didn’t give him easy access to children.

[@AeonKnigh432]

Why did you put sitcom in quotes?

[@jaeminthecreator2877]

@@AeonKnigh432 debatable

[@oomay1925]

There are a lot of red flags that Dan has deserves the criticism it gets. But generally speaking, Dan just reflects a much larger issue of how toxic, dangerous, and perverted the TV industry is with child actors.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Me, I want the spotlight to be turned on Disney next, because I'm sure they're not innocent, either.

[@Attmay]

@@dinosaysrawrSean Marshall, the original Pete from *Pete’s Dragon,* left the business because he admitted on a DVD supplement he did not like being famous. It doesn’t take a Rhodes scholar to figure out why when Bobby Driscoll and Matthew Garber, his contemporaries in Walt-era Disney mixes of live-action and animation, didn’t live to be 50.

[@crash1108]

Probably one of the best, well articulated, most memorable videos I have ever watched on this platform. I have watched loads and loads of long thought provoking content, but this is a whole another level, you really really nailed every point on the head; You even dug your boots in the ground and challenged the mainstream thoughtline multiple times and really brought it all down, you brought this sh*t to a science. Great work and truly great ways to approach these disgusting problems in society in how we view media, treat actors, and how most of the time people turn these real life incidents into a damn spectacle while also giving us the facts and not turning this into almost some sort of fictional story which is much too common nowadays.

[@frumiousgaming]

At the beginning he mentioned the teenagers in Head of the Class being played by adults in their 20s. I wasn’t sure if he would bring this up again later but … as much as people joke about “teenagers” in older tv being played by people obviously way older, maybe that is something we need to return to

[@candlelitpeppermintcarniva8509]

Thoroughly agreed. Sure its not 'realistic' -- but it's better. Period.

[@jamesreagan8175]

I mean, isn’t it kind of a meme with shows like 13 Reasons Why, Riverdale and Euphoria all set in high school with an all adult cast? Of course, if you’re talking specifically Disney shows, yeah, I see no reason for shows not to at least use 18 year olds or young adults. Kids shouldn’t be exposed to fame so young as many people have fallen victim to the vices and predatory behaviour that plagues celebrity culture, especially when going through such formative years of your life surrounded by mostly adults telling and instructing you on what to do in your life

[@Marlene-r2g]

I mean you have teen sitcom ships that don’t kiss because ONE OF THEM IS STILL UNDERAGE. At that point just cast 18 year olds bro

[@undercookedtoast1479]

@@jamesreagan8175the shows you named also have some insane shit when it comes to the adult cast playing teenagers. Like yeah an adult being cast is preferable but i still dont think that makes it ok for the canonically underage character to do strip teases n shit and have it framed as erotic. There’s ickiness at every level somewhat.

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

As long as the don't use it as an excuse to make Borderline soft p*rn of underaged characters (looking at you, Riverdale), yeah totally

[@snazzydrew]

Thank you for the your "Why does iCarly need a reboot segment" So frickin' important to remember that the people who acted on those shows shouldn't have their legacy completely destroyed.

[@ducktrctive6136]

I feel that wasn't the full thing though. Jennette's take on it really kinda summarizes how I see it, it was just a last ditch attempt to exist in Hollywood. Miranda wasn't wrong to say its a way to try reclaiming their image but, most of the cast didn't exist outside of nick shows

[@snazzydrew]

@@ducktrctive6136 that's fine. It still pretty valid to not want your entire career blemished. Might as well try to go out on a high note without the man in question at the helm. Though he might still get royalties so its has some bad vibes regardless.

[@weirdotzero7065]

@@snazzydrewRoyalties depends. Nick typically has a history of not giving their creators royalties. For better(in cases like Schnieder, John K or Chris Savino) and mostly for worse(every other Nickelodeon creator). Now there could be a possibility of Schnieder getting a special contract for royalties, but if it was the case, I don't think he would've turned into a content farm to make multiple shows at the same time if he was getting royalities from his older shows.

[@xxbeinaxx]

@@ducktrctive6136 Both things can be true! Its an attempt to rebuild a career, and also, it is their right to try and reclaim the work that they will always be known for, rather than let the actions of one horrible man ruin that forever.

[@marafolse8347]

"Because the truth matters" Is something that needs to be said a lot more in conversations like this. By giving equal weight to all claims, you are belittling and delegitimizing stronger ones.

[@csrjjsmp]

Adding additional claims strengthens all of them. That’s why people like you insist on repeating the idea that it delegitimizes other claims, you are hoping that if you say it often enough, other people will believe it.

[@SeymourDisapproves]

​@@csrjjsmp Adding in dumbass lies told by people trying to weasel out from under the consequences of their own actions strengthens neither the lies or the accounts that actually corroborate each other. "Both side"-isms in situations like these only exist to waste everyone's time and give platforms to people who have a vested interest in downplaying their heinous actions.

[@vermillionglamour]

@@csrjjsmpoh u ate this

[@laurenrobinson9072]

​@@csrjjsmp and when some claims are proven false it does damage. Look at false rape claims and how they impact the believability of real rape survivors. The truth does matter.

[@eram9111]

Is that a motherfucking Chris Christie reference??/s

[@tuney7319]

Man i definitely agree either way the idea that dan shneider is a fall guy, i remember when jenette declined to come to icarly’s reboot people constantly said “oh it’s cause of dan shneider” as if we completely ignore every person that abused her as a kid.

[@Olivia-zj9io]

I loved how you started the video with what seemed like an unrelated tangent, but that was revealed to be essential to understanding the full story, just like that teacher in the first sitcom

[@ompalele]

Fun fact: In one of the Victorious "conspiracy board" segments, Quinton name drops Head of the Class while holding up a DVD copy of the show. Amazingly, he covers Dan on the cover with his fingers. So it was already there, just waiting to be unraveled with this final video 🤯

[@lokimiguel2452]

​@@ompalelewhich one

[@ompalele]

@@lokimiguel2452 About 12 minutes into the first Victorious video

[@jjjabbers]

I wasn't even 5 minutes into the video and knew that was going to come back RIGHT after hearing about the teacher. Not a big brag more than a fun observation.

[@kukalakana]

Actually got a bit bore by that bit if I'm honest -- could've stood to be a bit shorter.

[@Phished123]

the part that annoys me about all the rumors and innuendo about him is that the stuff he DID do and committed to film and that people have talked about is bad enough, you dont need to make shit up.

[@Tessa_Gr]

yes, so many people risked their career (and were negatively affected) by speaking out about him. Anyone talking about this topic should respect their words. All of that is bad enough, when you exaggerate it implies you don't think it's "bad" or maybe even "interesting"/"dramatic" enough when you just stick to known statements by the people who bravely stood by their words

[@AliceClow]

It’s like Miniminuteman says: You don’t need to invent an evil shadow government to be mad at. You can just be mad at the actual government.

[@Attmay]

The evidence was broadcast on national television.

[@Falstaff0553]

I remember how angry I got a few months back when that tweet about "that one lazy youtuber who just spends his days describing iCarly-episodes" went viral. Because there's someone on KZbin who sat down and went about the monumental task of analyzing the entirety of the NSU, not only aired episodes but also the forgotten side stuff like games and merchandise, going through hundreds of hours of footage and BTS-conent, taking a closer look at a huge part of millions of people's childhood, all the while also somehow managing to make it entertaining and funny, only for some random guy on twitter to call him "lazy" and "unimaginative" I truly believe you've made something special here, something you can be insanely proud of. A multi-hour mini-series of which I've enjoyed every second of, and ending it with a poignant note on not only the topic's creator, but also the wider atmosphere an time context it all took place in, ending it in an important message. This has been a wild ride, an I'm so happy that I got to be on it.

[@keyofallworlds7549]

Wait who said that? o-0

[@MyDancingShoes]

The take from twitter that his last video about Sam & Cat was "weird" really annoyed me! Quinton's approach, insights, and humor are insanely valuable and worthwhile. Some of the best content on youtube.

[@LittleMissLounge]

That person must've watched some other videos because they sure as hell were not Quinton's.

[@syahmikadira6832]

Yup, I think i remembered the same tweet I saw which again doesn't make that much sense considering the other additional stuff that were being said/added like you mentioned but some of those people are also the people who complained about those long intermissions deviating from talking about the show so like do they want Quinton to just read the wiki for the shows plot or what at that point. That tweet also irked me because it decided to talk about how this whole "mini-series" is pointless on the video which ended with talking about Jennette McCurdy & her book which, while I had heard some bits of it in the past, did not know about it releasing & was not really able to fully contextualised on all of it until it was being talked on that video.

[@crypticcorvid]

Fr, Quinton is literally doing straight-up archival work, taking into account the culture of the time, and also reviewing merch and games in full. Pop-culture/niche topic archivists need to get more kudos.

[@oddlysomething]

I'd like to summarize my main takeaways from this video: - just because someone's actions aren't outright illegal or SA, that doesn't make them not wrong and it doesn't mean they _have_ to be for them to be condemned. - Dan Schneider is just one of many examples of what's wrong with the film industry as a whole, and because of his infamous bad behaviour he has become a scapegoat for it. - the entire institution revolving around child stars and actors is fucked! it's inherently exploitative and abusive! and we shouldn't just blame 1 messed up guy because of it.

[@bluebaron6858]

How does it get Fixed?

[@amaravazquez8591]

I also think what made the edginess of the Schneiderverse work was that the audience was the same age as the characters/actors (give or take). Like, being a teenage girl and seeing other teen girls being weird and making crass jokes is funny and refreshing. So you don't always second guess the inappropriate nature of the content...until you do. And then you can't unsee it. Dan for sure knew this.

[@babyshowerhazard]

I really appreciate you not exaggerating the allegations against Dan. I'm so tired of people romanticizing this whole thing. What he did was bad enough, there is no need to make things worse for those affected. I hope they all find peace in their lives.

[@grahamkristensen9301]

Same. It drives me up the wall with how people are trying to turn this into a conspiracy theory and inject a bunch of Pizzagate bullshit into it. Every time I see some idiot on Twitter or TikTok insist that Dan Schneider got Amanda Bynes or Jaime Lynn Spears pregnant or point out that Epstein Island looks vaguely like the Nickelodeon splat, it makes me want to headbutt a buzzsaw.

[@isitoveryet9525]

Exaggerating has nothing to do with romanticism. If people are making the claims sound more extreme, that’s the opposite of trying to make something sound better, or making his actions appear better than what they are….which is what romanticizing them would be.

[@Tetrathegod]

Is there fucked children ?

[@jijitters]

I don't think these were the words you meant to use but I understand the point you're trying to communicate; yes, people have been sensationalizing quite a bit and it's not helpful for anyone.

[@mooseboy7052]

​@@isitoveryet9525I think they mean romanticizing as embellishing for entertainment or to make things more "interesting" than they supposedly are

[@CoolAnagram]

Realizing dan shinider wasnt even that GOOD at writing is so validating to me. People often have this idea that awful people are like absurdly "good" at their jobs, but really dan was just lucky Edit 8 months later and oh man I don't really agree with this anymore? I think I was trying to make a point about people who think cruelness is a sign of smartness and the fact he reuses a lot of plots but ehhh u really worded this wrong

[@RealKaiserRyu]

Lucky, like most if not all successful people.

[@JoeJoe-lq6bd]

That's almost everyone everywhere. You wind up with a bit of luck and make friends with the right people and you're a "success." The entire world is decades behind where it should be because it's all run like this.

[@JanPyt]

yes! When I was a kid, I thought Abby Lee was so cruel bc she produced winners and was an amazing choreographer…naur

[@iamfabulousfaaab]

His writing was extremely juvenile, which makes me fearful in a sense due to his behavior he displayed on the children who worked on his sets. I found it funny when I was a kid, specifically because I was a kid. Now, I watch for nostalgia, but I find myself growing more uncomfortable by the feet scenes and s3xual innuendos that shouldn't be in a child sketch. He's a big creep and a writer only for children. He is incapable of having the intelligence to write for adults or write extremely deep critical thinking sketches. Like I said, his writing is juvenile and had he not found success with children's television, he would be somewhere destitute.

[@BelBelle468]

Well everyone has different tastes in media. I never liked Dan’s shows. It has a weird vibe, the humor wasn’t funny (for me), and I disliked the characters for the most part. But I can’t say that the show doesn’t have its good points, esp since Quinton also kinda sold me on its good points with his series. It’s just common that ppl will protect what audiences seem to enjoy, quality of work be damned.

[@ManOfTheHour34564]

This is probably one of my favourite videos from you if not of the entire platform. You have no idea how happy this makes me that you're treating this situation with the respect and grace needed. You share your opinions without showing any bias and open a bunch of unique perspectives that are not only eye-opening but recontextualize everything for me who used to be ignorant of what goes on behind the scenes. It brings up a lot of questions and is super informative and depressing. I love how you do not shy away from the itty gritty either. It all feels genuine and not done for laughs like I see other KZbinrs do for the sake of clickbait. And that last line gave me chills upon watching it first time. Even watching it for the third or so time it still gets me. Bravo.

[@Emylisis]

I work in the film industry and the first time I was on a set that used child actors is when I very quickly realized that it should be illegal to have child actors. No one on that set cares about the kids, not their parents, not the producers, not their "tutor," not the other actors, not the crew, no one. Because if anyone was truly looking out for their best interests THEY WOULD NOT BE ON A FILM SET, they would be in school having a normal fucking life. I think there's misconception that film sets are fun to work on, They Are Not. Picture a construction site but with cameras. It is true that the producers try to be friends with the kids. To exploit them. To say hey little Bobby can you stop crying so we can film for another eight hours otherwise we will lose a lot of money and it will be your fault. :) I've seen four year olds be FIRED for having "bad attitudes." Animal actors get treated better than child actors, because you can't emotionally abuse a horse into cooperating. "But what will movies use for child characters??" I DON'T CARE, IT'S NOT WORTH IT! Use robots, dolls, CGI, adults pretending to be kids, ANYTHING other than actual kids! It's basically an open secret in film that we all know the reason we have kid actors is because they have abusive parents, because good parents wouldn't allow their kids to go through this. Thank you Quinton for so amazingly explaining this and drawing attention to it, I really, truly, from the bottom of my heart think it should be illegal to use kids like this. The film industry is exploitative and toxic enough that ADULTS regularly have mental breakdowns and cry on set, kids should not be anywhere near it.

[@Emylisis]

To add: there are a thousand Dan Schneiders. There are so many. There are too many and they are in charge of everything. I don't know how we fix this.

[@EddieSpaghetti69]

You want to know just *how bad it is* because you doubt Emylisis? Remember that kid from Home Alone? He has a name. He also has a story for you. He played in an "underground band specializing in pizza-songs", which if you know the lingo means something. He's been told what the red shoes are made out of, (Ruby Slippers if you want to be specific) and was also told how they get the materials. It never stopped there. *We, as a whole, abandoned them not knowing what was going on at the time.* You cannot Ostrich your way out of this, hiding your face in the sand only means when we strike back we're kicking *all of you* straight into the bin. "But It wasn't me" "I didn't directly do this" and "I was protecting myself" are going to matter nothing when we decide that being complicit makes you an enemy; bonus points if you live in the USA as their laws *allow them to take all of your shit if you are involved in trafficking.* We either do this together, or Schneider's win. No middle ground for you to hide on this time. No fences to sit on like many personalities do. No magic words to dispel the battle upcoming. Good luck!

[@Goobelham]

True. An industry that constantly has you choosing between excitement and toxicity. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@Emylisis]

@@Goobelham Thanks for the reply, appreciate it! I hope one day I can help change the industry, but that's if I don't have a mental breakdown and quit first.

[@Rxnnrose]

it breaks my heart that people NEED the situation to be worse than it was. IT WAS ALREADY TERRIBLE. KIDS ARE TRAUMATIZED. it’s awful to wish more issues on kids that were abused in ANY way. they didn’t need be sexually abused for the situation to be awful. why isn’t that bad enough? why do people speculate worse and worse things? what factually happened was bad enough.

[@bluebaron6858]

The Amanda and Jamie Lynn speculation is down right disgusting

[@kfork814]

@@bluebaron6858yes that’s bad anyways

[@LordZolgonark]

Because, in the words of Calvin and Hobbes, lurid lies are drama, drama is entertainment, entertainment is marketable, and bad-faith content creators are in the business of marketing. :/

[@brennanlow2336]

I often wonder if people are vindictive by nature. All this hatred without any of the facts. Do people just like being angry? Please say it ain't so...

[@Attmay]

@@LordZolgonark Norman Lear has left the chat for an eternity in Hell alongside Matthew Perry and Bob Saget.

[@TheDarkSide73914]

Quinton really waited for the best time to upload this

[@dennisgaming583]

Why?

[@Jakjer]

​@@dennisgaming583all the documentaries coming out about Nickelodeon and the way they treated the child stars

[@awkwardfreakinperson7936]

@@dennisgaming583because of the whole quiet on set documentary

[@spensirmclife6549]

​@@dennisgaming583A documentary called "Quiet on the Set" came out recently talking about Schneider too

[@IrvingIV]

Spill the juicy details please

[@thefabuloustrash05]

“28” Me: Huh that’s an uncomfortable amount of feet jokes to appear in Icarly - “28 episodes” Me: Wait. 28 episodes have feet jokes?! That’s insane- “28 episodes out of 97 did NOT have feet jokes” I’m sorry… WHAAATTT???