The Failure of Victorious

[@QuintonReviews]

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[@JenJuiceUnfiltered.]

OKAY QUINTON DONT MAKE ME COME FOR U WHERE IS MY PART 2

[@tatehildyard5332]

Dan Schneider really does seem to be the Lars Von Trier of children’s television.

[@successogochukwu4363]

please make a video like this about the cw show THE 100..

[@paperfinger9265]

This a very apt review. If you look back at the 80’s show You can’t do that on television. Nickelodeon has been slightly inappropriate since then. Not being a chef LewBert is none other than Barth. (Barf)edit

[@Hotdogenthusiast]

@@successogochukwu4363 I would love for a big youtuber to talk about the 100

[@JuanJose-fw1eg]

Trina not getting selected for that reality show in season 1 is the most unrealistic thing in the world, producers would be SALIVATING to get someone like her on a reality show

[@comingupooo]

"That young woman is a self-centered attention hog, with no regard for human decency...get her on T.V!"

[@briannalee1998]

Right?! She is exactly the kind of person they would have picked to be on a reality show as a person to start drama

[@DaShoopdahoop]

@@comingupooo man I love Gravity Falls

[@casheycashey3614]

@@DaShoopdahoop ayyyyyyy

[@kleinsbottle]

She'd be on MTV or Bad Girls Club

[@emilyp.6141]

I think the main issue that followed Victorious was that the main character was surrounded by literal Broadway trained musicians and we were supposed to believe that she was the most talented in comparison. Victoria is no doubt talented, but the Broadway training of 3 of the main characters is evident by comparison.

[@briannalee1998]

Very true. I feel bad for Victoria because of the hate she got. It’s not her fault the writers did a terrible job. People need to realize actors aren’t their characters. Plus they did her dirty, shy make her the star, then give her a cast that completely outshines her? I like her voice even though her voice isn’t as powerful as Liz or Ariana, I think Victoria’s voice is soothing. She has more of a jazz voice, the pop style they used on the show doesn’t suit her. If you listen to her and Leon’s cover of “Baby, it’s Cold Outside,” Tell Me that you Love Me, and her new song Treat Myself.

[@emilyp.6141]

@@briannalee1998 I agree 100% and it didn’t help that it was obvious that she rarely performed next to Liz and Ariana.

[@Daggeira]

I don't know, man. She wasn't great in that Rocky Horror reboot I'm still trying to forget.

[@MichelleDelamatter]

Also her character was just rude and self centered

[@jaidenboucher0]

Seriously. Its *so* obvious in the Freak the Freak Out episode. In Liz and Ariana’s song, Ariana’s FIRST line spans like 12 notes. I don’t think Victoria’s song even covers an octave.

[@nirvanaqueens]

I hated how they made Robbie more creepy as the seasons went along. Like Robbie was suppose to be the quirky weird kid with a puppet or something and now he’s this sexual predator who hides in bushes and has big cut outs of his friends and weird positions? And for what? Fucking ridiculous.

[@alexschneider1667]

Looking at it now, there’s an underlying anti semitism to his character. (At least to me I could be wrong.) his character is mentioned to be Jewish, and the joke when he asks Trina to convert to Judaism feels wrong to me. It feels less like they’re making fun of Robbie and more like they’re making fun of the religion. He also has stereotypical “Jewish features” to me. Like when anti Semitic people make characterizations of Jews, it’s not dissimilar to Robbie.

[@BlackSheepNara]

@@alexschneider1667 that’s pretty interesting. I just saw misandry, but I can now also see your point.

[@KamikazekaitoKoki]

@@alexschneider1667 Dan Schneider is literally Jewish so I don’t think that’s an issue

[@mercurysummerusa9247]

@@KamikazekaitoKoki self hate can show up in weird ways sometimes

[@gardenrabbit2000]

robbie and rex becoming one

[@droppedcombofiend2707]

After watching this, I really want Victorious to come back. But as an actual anti-sitcom. Like, they're all in their 30s now, but never found fame. They've continued chasing it and continually failed because they're all terrible people. So we just watch them get into antics being delusional about becoming famous stars. Except Trina. Trina became more self aware, started working hard, and actually became a big star.

[@BeesechurgerProductions]

Trina and Sinjin are wildly successful, but the rest are failures. They reunite for Sikowitz' funeral, and his will is an elaborate riddle inspired by his class lessons, designed to teach them where they went wrong by taking them through his own history as a failing actor turned theater teacher.

[@helpmegetto10kwithnovideos81]

⁠@@BeesechurgerProductionsi don’t think there should be a funeral because sikowitz was only 45 and this was 10 years ago, so 55-60 is way too young to die.

[@ArenaEscritora]

Sinjin could be a big director/producer(who has been avoiding being cancelled several times). And Trina is now an actress in new york of relative success. Not so big, but making a living as an understudy and extra on Broadway.

[@zo6679]

@@helpmegetto10kwithnovideos81he seems like the type of guy to die in some crazy killdozer situation but with acting. Like he jumps onto stage with a bomb strapped to his chest and it only kills him or something I dunno

[@redblueandgray]

Now would it be funny if Cat ended up being the LEAST successful of all of them?

[@DomovoiJr]

Recently I made a comment to my friends about how this show was uncomfortably sexualized and had a lot of rape jokes, and they all looked at me like I was insane for knowing enough about the show to make that comment. And then I had to explain that the only reason I had any context about it was because I watched a 5-hour long breakdown of the entire show. That did not improve their opinion of the situation.

[@poofbomb-minecraftmore1883]

Should have turned it around to you shilling for Quinton, like how his content is so good you’ll watch anything he makes

[@notguilty6217]

@FlagrantDefiance And yet here you are too

[@FreakoftheAngels]

Your friends sound lame

[@you_know_me8218]

Honey, your friends are not worth it

[@KazeJay777]

To be fair, this is a great breakdown. I know this because current me is laughing at how all of this shit went over past me. Also if you were my friend and your context was a FIVE HOUR breakdown Id have to believe you off rip.

[@angie_exe]

A thing I love that’s a fun fact: Trina’s actress is actually a great singer, and most of the background music is sung by her. She also is the “good” voice of Ginger Fox in that iCarly episode.

[@JessicaTayB]

They did her dirty.

[@lrba5524]

@@JessicaTayB well, if you're gonna cast a child as terrible at something, it's arguably more offensive if that kid is actually terrible at that thing.

[@shiftyshinings1273]

@@JessicaTayB Not reallly, Daniella Monet auditoned for the role knowing that her character was gonna be a bad singer.

[@adamlauer1096]

I used to hate this guy, now I hate him much less

[@devong1838]

@@adamlauer1096 Who's "this guy" ?

[@Dyngblue]

I really want it to be cannon that Sinjin is the most popular guy in school and the main cast are outcasts that only like each other.

[@Jacob-Sophia]

Basically the entirety of Community lol

[@daemonspudguy]

Fuck it, this is canon now.

[@zahiraibrahim2944]

​@@Jacob-Sophiafrrr loll

[@carmenmercedes9903]

Ficwriters get on it!!/j

[@lloydweatherford9405]

​@@carmenmercedes9903take back that slash j! I aint gonna write'r read it but that'on't mean someone else ain't!

[@pinklemonadez9079]

knowing the entire cast of victorious watched this honestly make it 10x better

[@everybodyhatesvaleria]

Omg did they?💀

[@pinklemonadez9079]

@valeriaalejandra5288 Matt Bennett said it in the newest video lol

[@madunna]

omg how did they react?

[@nostalgiamostalgia0319]

Yeah…I didn’t see that coming.

[@ΈτσιΓουστάρω-σ6τ]

Have you got a link? Can't find it

[@HeatWill]

It's not that Victoria Justice is untalented, she's clearly very talented, but it was just jarring to see her presented as the _most_ talented in a cast that featured Elizabeth Gillies, Leon Thomas III and _Ariana Grande_ all of whom had performed on Broadway before this. Even as a small child watching Victorious I could tell that Cat and Jade were _much_ better singers, and was super annoyed that they rarely got any chances to sing.

[@studentathlete7751]

Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice now and this is just a mere Teen Nick show which isn’t very hardcore with their teen sitcom shows just as Disney Channel isn’t so it really has no meaning that Victoria Justice played the main character and got more singing roles especially when Nick and Disney aren’t even the big leagues and seeing what Ariana Grande has accomplished is accomplishing and will continue to accomplish after leaving Nickelodeon she really doesn’t care that she didn’t sing a whole lot on that Nick show and quite frankly neither do I and neither should you or anyone else everything Ariana Grande has done is doing and will continue to do in pop culture is far superior to a mere Nickelodeon show so who cares if Victoria Justice was singing a lot more on Victorious cause like I said before Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than her in the real pop culture stage of the entertainment industry.

[@fluteaboo]

What's punctuation? Of course Ariana doesn't care now. You're missing the point. 📍The viewers were robbed. It would've made a better show.

[@studentathlete7751]

@@fluteaboo Victorious is just a mere Nickelodeon show that’s way too kid friendly just like all the other Nick and Disney shows it’s not a real teen sitcom show and Ariana Grande not singing a whole lot on a mere kiddy Nick show who cares she’s a big celebrity now more famous than Victoria Justice and it’s not because of Nickelodeon it’s because she made it to the real big league pop culture entertainment stage.

[@madeliner1682]

@@studentathlete7751 what are you even trying to say? Like I actually cannot understand you. I don't think this is intentional, but when you put your thoughts into an unpunctuated, unformatted block of word vomit it makes it sound like you're rambling at full speed and constantly on the verge of running out of breath

[@studentathlete7751]

@@madeliner1682 I’m sorry but I didn’t think that punctuation and format is so important in a KZbin comment section. Anyway what I’m trying to say is this, Why does it matter and why does anyone care if Victoria Justice sang a lot more than the other cast members on Victorious? I mean Victorious is just a kiddy show on Nickelodeon it’s not a real teen drama sitcom show and it’s not on ABC CBS NBC Fox or any channels like them. People over here complaining about Victoria Justice singing a lot more than everyone else on the show just why? I mean look at her now she’s not even a celebrity pop star icon. Did all that singing on Victorious make Victoria Justice a celebrity pop star icon no it didn’t. Look at Ariana Grande compared to Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande wasn’t even the leading main character of the show in fact her name was 5th in the intro and look at where she is now. Ariana Grande is a lot more famous than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a huge celebrity pop star icon and one of the greatest best pop culture music artists. Ariana Grande made it big in Hollywood entertainment and is one of the greatest best pop singers ever. Victoria Justice on the other hand well she’s pretty. Ariana Grande is also pretty and is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a superstar. Starring on a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel show means nothing to anyone. What you do after leaving Nickelodeon or Disney is all that really matters and counts. There are a lot of Nick and Disney stars and only very few of them actually become big time celebrities after that. The only ones I can count from the top of my head are Ariana Grande Miley Cyrus Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato. These 4 girls didn’t become big time celebrities because of Nick and Disney it’s what they did after leaving Nickelodeon and Disney that made them the celebrity pop star icons that we know and love. I really don’t understand why it matters and why anyone cares about who sang the most on a mere kiddy Nickelodeon show especially when Ariana Grande who wasn’t even the leading main character of the show is now a big time Hollywood entertainment pop culture superstar and a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice who was the leading main character of the show. Now do you understand what I’m saying?

[@isaiahromero9861]

It's actually terrifying how this show (and Dan's other shows) are seemingly trying to normalize adults flirting with and grooming minors, and it probably worked for some kids. They portray it as a completely normal thing that just happens all the time

[@364-unbirthdays8]

You want to know something even worse? One of the main actresses started dating (and iirc got married) with one of the people who worked on set who was about 20 years older than her. Now, I don't have a problem with age gaps... but that's only as long as they're both consenting adults. She was 17.

[@isaiahromero9861]

@Unoriginal Kōhai well sadly yea but what I mean is it's NOT normal, even if society sometimes treats it like it is, and you'd think a kids show would have enough common sense to portray it that way but they go the complete opposite direction, as fucked up as real life is I feel like most of these situations would not just be brushed off as a joke even irl

[@isaiahromero9861]

@Unoriginal Kōhai oh yea same, super weird when family members would say stuff like "he's gonna be such a ladies man when he gets older", idk how to explain what I meant but I feel like we're on the same page

[@elea5706]

@@364-unbirthdays8 They got married in secret a bit ago i believe? She also confirmed they moved in together the second she turned 18, it's gross. What's insane is that she's grown up since and she still is with him. I hope she's okay but it really just sounds like she was groomed for years and just.. stayed that way

[@mirrorkirby9172]

Not gonna lie, when I was a kid, this show convinced me that adults being attracted to/hitting on high schoolers was like... normal. Only now that I'm an adult and reflecting on this do I realize how utterly fucked and dangerous that is.

[@Cat-sampo]

"Cat is just a nice person, she doesnt deserve the hate from the other leads" 10 minutes earlier "Cat dates Shinjin just to steal his credit card"

[@GrimmShane]

I swear, Kat is just the definition of Chaotic good

[@ScottFreeSBP]

Ghosting the 911 calls is also pretty mental lol

[@personalover9514]

Im pretty sure Cat is just spelled with a C, not a K.

[@bellalalala3327]

honestly that's just #girlboss behavior /j

[@fatcat1414]

Compared to the other characters' behavior, Cat is written in a way where her worst behavior seems like a sign of severe mental illness, while the rest just seem plainly malicious. I think that's part of what makes her sympathetic. She's written as if she simply doesn't know better.

[@jellyjas2624]

One thing that really bothers me about the bird scene episode is that in all of Tori’s attempts she never actually changes the way she performs it? She just keeps adding stuff like props and costumes but her actual delivery is the same every time. It’s very style-over-substance and tbh I feel like that kind of encapsulates the the vibe of the show lmao

[@murderjai]

i used to think THAT was why she got it wrong 😭😭

[@diegobendinelli2680]

I watched this show’s Italian Dub, and there the line delivery did change with every attempt. It just gets a bit more exaggerated every time but it was an attempt.

[@TheRoxBox99]

I thought it was implied she had to follow a given script that all other students had to follow, so it was how she went about delivering the script that mattered

[@BrendanJSmith]

The most disappointing thing about iPartyWithVictorious is that we didn't get to see Sam and Jade interact with each other.

[@rockinoshamas7249]

I mean there’s a Sam and Cat episode called “TheKillerTunaJump” specifically about that interaction

[@BrendanJSmith]

@@rockinoshamas7249 probably because they knew they fucked up the first time by missing that opportunity.

[@farahsinocruz6280]

It truly is a crime tbh

[@thefabuloustrash05]

Don’t worry. The spin off Sam and Cat covered that dynamic

[@miel532]

There is.... I have a screenshot TT

[@svgstarlight]

trina’s “chicago” had more of a cultural footprint than everything perez hilton has ever done, to this day whenever i hear the word “chicago” i still sing her song lmao

[@starryxpromise]

SHECAGOOOOOOO

[@nelliebellie2222]

Same lmao 😂

[@bluemojav]

When I was a kid I thought the musical “Chicago” was what she was singing

[@Ashley_dear]

This shit make me cackle, where’s the lie 😭😂

[@Carlos-vn4ec]

This rendition lives rent free in my head

[@cicadian.rhythm]

avan (beck) has said before that he has no recollection of filming victorious because he was struggling with alcohol addiction at the time. he was absolutely plastered the entire show.

[@iagas9]

I gotta say I did not notice that as a kid, but now that you point it out, he looks pretty tired in every episode.

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

Being on set with Schneider is obviously very toxic so I'm not surprised someone in the cast was using to order to mentally escape 🤷‍♀️

[@fakenayhn]

Lmao

[@hamianagrande]

Where did he say that?

[@user-qd7in2yk6g]

Oh my god I had no idea, that’s so sad. I rewatched victorious recently, im 21 and a recovering drug addict myself, and I couldn’t even tell he was fucked up, I guess he hid it well. Very sad

[@elsie8757]

What's funny is: Robbie is revealed to own a bunch of cardboard cutouts of Cat, with the joke being like "haha don't ask why I have this". Meanwhile, Tori is revealed, IN THE SAME EPISODE, to have _a Jade costume,_ and it goes completely uncommented on. Nobody bats an eye. That's normal, apparently.

[@1WEareBUFO1]

Girls are allowed to be stalkers, apparently.

[@DoctorPortal_IX]

It’s literally just a less funny version of the gag of Buford having cast molds of everyone in Phineas & Ferb. The bit THERE was that he had those of _everyone,_ and that it was common knowledge. THAT made it fucking hilarious. This version? _Just creepy._

[@Yardnoc3103]

My favorite guy trio moment is when Robbie becomes sad and Beck arrives with a watermelon and states "Robbie loves watermelon" and then Robbie just hugs it. It's weird but a nice moment.

[@RozyPoyo]

@Jared Jams that would have crossed the line.

[@FreakoftheAngels]

@Jared Jams OOF

[@briannalee1998]

Lol very wholesome!

[@kakyoin7761]

what episode did this happen again

[@lucymontgomery5060]

@@kakyoin7761 the hambone king

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

It would have made SO much more sense from a storytelling perspective if Trina was the golden child. It would explain her ego, why she got into the school first while Tori wasn't considered, AND make Tori automatically more likeable in the audience's eyes. Just have their parents favor Trina!

[@breadeater1194]

I think the parents favored her growing up, but at this point they are over it. Funny enough though, that just makes them look like worse parents when probably the intention was the opposite.

[@danielle3040]

That’s an interesting perspective but maybe Trina not being the golden child is why she has such and inflated ego. Constantly seeking and attention and trying to be the “main attraction.” If the show would have written Trina as the annoying attention seeker but with the purpose of getting positive recognition from her parents who don’t seem to like her, maybe people would like or relate to her better.

[@symawi312]

@@danielle3040 unless she became truly delusional that wouldn't explain an inflated ego though, that would much more likely lead to confidence issues

[@zaqareemalcolm]

@@symawi312 it depends, some people would develop an inflated ego because they are desperate for attention, and you're actually also still right, because very often it turns out to be a mask that is overly compensating for their own lack of self worth and self esteem

[@joshuamccutcheon]

I always like Trina better personally, Tori was just irritating despite her actually very good defining qualities.

[@dcguevara]

As a teenager at the time of this show airing, and a teenager who wrote copious amount of fic for this show, I always remember thinking: "Wait... do they take normal math and science and English classes or...?" And a lot for fic writers just.... made them take these classes. Which, in hindsight, I find funny that fanfic writers were more concerned about this than the actual writers were.

[@amarachavez]

if they were at a performance high school, chances are the english and math classes are either actual english and math classes or english and math classes built to whatever performance art the student was doing…if that makes sense (idk anything about performing arts schools so idk)

[@milkflys]

@@amarachavezno i went to an art school and core classes were not tailored for the arts at all lol they were completely normal classes

[@amarachavez]

@@milkflys mmm, maybe high school is different then, it’s also a show about performing arts kids so maybe they only show the classes that highlight it (theater, stunt class, choir, etc)

[@meikstreid4641]

😊99

[@brickreeks]

I've seen that fanfic writers are better than actual writers on shows a surprisingly large amount of time

[@allyssaswain2394]

ep 2- The bird scene- 25:17 ep 3- Stage fighting- 27:27 ep 4- The birthweek song- 29:55 ep 5- Jade dumps Beck -34:04 ep 6- Tori the zombie 37:08 ep 7- Robaratzzi 38:01 ep 8- Survival of the hottest 42:23 ep 9- Wi-fi in the sky- 44:35 ep 10- Beck's big break 45:52 ep 11- The great ping pong scam 47:33 ep 12-Cat's new boyfriend 50:56 ep13 - Freak the Freak out 54:17 ep14-Rex dies 1:05:11 ep15- The diddlybops 1:09:51 ep16- Wok Star 1:19:18 ep17- The wood 1:20:53 ep18 A film by Dale Squires 1:25:04 ep19- sleepover at Sikowitz 1:28:28 setting- 1:31:57 character analysis- 1:38:01 season 2- ep 20- Beggin on your knees 2:23:17 ep 21- Beck falls for Tori 2:28:39 ep 22- Ice cream for Kesha 2:33:48 ep 23- Tori Get Stuck 2:38:44 ep 24- Prom Wreckers 2:41:06 ep 25- Locked up 2:45:40 ep 26- Helen back again 2:50:54 ep 27- Who did it to Trina 2:58:03 ep28- Tori Tortures Teacher 3:01:42 ep29 -Jade Gets crushed 3:05:44 ep30- Terror on cupcake street 3:13:22 ep31- A Christmas Tori- 3:20:35 Character analysis 2 - 3:28:11 ep32- Blooptorious/metaverse - 3:34:06 intermission - 3:49:27 Garfield- 3:55:38 Victorious video games/browser games- 4:06:54 Hollywood arts debut for DS 4:16:13 Time to shine for xbox 360 kinect 4:33:17 Taking the lead for the DS- 4:49:44 Taking the lead for the Wii- 4:59:24 ep33 April Fools Blank- 5:23:50

[@John-lq4tr]

Thank you

[@disco.heaven]

legend!

[@pennylane4870]

You’re the best thank you!!💗

[@spingleboygle]

thanks man

[@lonelyboi7547]

I was looking for a specific episode, you’re a life saver!

[@tobioc8148]

The fact that they don't develop as characters but still exist in a universe with icarly, who do, is easily explained by the fact that that's just how people in california are

[@gracekim1998]

Hmm I guess 🤷‍♀️ but how do you explain them not aging?

[@crocodileman94]

@@gracekim1998 Maybe that's also a California thing.

[@Takeninthelight]

California as a realm of lotus eaters is a hilarious thought

[@Haverlock]

Ha "people" good one

[@georgecoconut8164]

@@Haverlock yeah they are people

[@fronk140]

Danielle Monet is actually such a talented physical comedian. Like her slapstick is insanely good. I know we were meant to hate Trina, but she was always the most hilarious to me.

[@eliasmg9144]

She was way too obnoxious for me to like but way too entertaining for me to hate

[@facroeyreset]

Trina was one of my favorites tbh

[@ginger_panapple]

I'm kind of mad she was only able to show off her singing in one episode which was essentially a fever dream and definitely not canon.

[@shakabrah2061]

trina was actually my favorite lol

[@jbcatz5]

If that became a part of her character, being more into the physical performance over vocal performance, she could have become a less abrasive person

[@missjazz1010]

Lemme just say....Andre was the best character in Victorious despite the writers doing absolutely NOTHING with his character except making him "the token black kid" in the Victorious group. Dude was so unproblematic & was a great friend to everybody. Everybody deserves to have an Andre in their life. Plus, he's damn talented (Leon Thomas III, that is). His songs were the only ones I downloaded from the show's soundtrack.

[@somenothing7914]

he was too cute. he should have been the obvious love interest of the show but.... well, idk how that'd go down with the parents of the very white, mainstream nickelodeon viewership

[@Tiiiiiiiiiiish05]

365 days is such a great song and for me, the best song that was written by Andre.

[@missjazz1010]

@@somenothing7914 Absolutely!! I highkey shipped him & Tori and lowkey shipped him & Jade.

[@GryffindorRanger]

@@missjazz1010 I feel like I shipped him with Jade more, cause I hated how Tori used him at times and made him drop whatever he was doing to write a song for her and stuff

[@trikitrikitriki]

He is the Fred from Scooby-Doo of his group.

[@disfordumboo4411]

“we’re halfway through talking about this show” is a bold statement to make when youre only three hours into a thirteen hour project

[@Notlegallyaduck]

The silly puppet has dreadlocks, speaks with an "urban accent," is canonically good at rapping, is offended by a specific word when not said by a fellow puppet... oh no...

[@saigeferko6035]

I also find it funny that the person who beat him in the rap battle is Sam, who is basically black-coded... they really didn't have ANY non-white writers on these shows did they

[@bradpity]

@@saigeferko6035 nope they did not and every poc who ever worked on any of dan schneider’s shows deserved soooo much better

[@jhonandrews2674]

Oh my God, Rex is supposed to be black

[@808pdb]

@@jhonandrews2674 WOAH I DIDN’T KNOW THAT

[@TDArulesclub4]

@@saigeferko6035 ...I'm sorry since when is Sam from iCarly a "black-coded" character?

[@marteris9464]

The underutilization of Elizabeth Gillies and Ariana Grande’s vocal talent is a crime for the historybooks

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

The writers are clowns

[@kikilala9371]

One big reason to watch Dynasty is to hear Elizabeth Gillies gorgeous singing

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

I think the reason why is because as Quinton mentioned they were trying to sell Victoria as a pop star. I think the reason they chose her even though she was the worst singer was because of her look. Ariana has a petite physique that most people don't like. I personally prefer smaller women but most don't. Elizabeth isn't ugly by any means but she doesn't have the face of a teen pop star. Honestly if I had to pick one of the 3 to be a teen pop star to compete with Miley Cyrus I would have probably picked Victoria to.

[@alanaaababy]

💯💯💯

[@brokengirl8619]

We see enough of ariana now. Too much.

[@averyeml]

Five minutes in and the observation has already been made, but I seriously can’t feel worse for Victoria Justice. She was a decent singer and a great teen’s show actor, but they made the mistake of stacking her supporting cast with GOD TIER SINGERS. Broadway people, people who were singers before actors, and Ariana friggin’ Grande! Nobody could stand out as a musician around those people.

[@briannalee1998]

Right?! I love Victoria, but they picked a cast that completely outshined her. They did her dirty on her own show but giving her a poorly written character. Her hair and outfits looked great on Zoey 101, but on Victorious they didn’t show how beautiful she was and the costume designer was awful. Victoria was done dirty in every way on her own show and I feel SO BAD for her! She did great in Eye Candy, a show where she really did feel like the star and her acting was good and in her new movies. I also like her song, Treat Myself.

[@millsrome]

The only mistake was casting her as the lead, she would have been great as a secondary character just like before.

[@talb.1805]

Honestly, she comes off as so unlikeable it's really hard for me to sympathise with her. You're probably correct, though

[@averyeml]

@@talb.1805 she is definitely the worst person a lot of the time, even after they fixed it like how Quinton pointed out. But I also feel like if she was the best singer in the room it wouldn’t be quite as noticeable. When she’s one of the weaker ones it feels like that kid in school who called everyone’s hobbies and work trash because they’re secretly dumb and hope nobody will notice 😂

[@palloae]

I really don’t get why so many ppl find Tori’s character unlikeable. She does get outshined, and she does do dumb things (literally so does every other character), but I think she’s fine. She’s just the average person reacting to the crazy weird ppl and situations around her.

[@csousher]

I remember watching 2:12:04 and thinking “I can’t believe he called his dad’s rewatching of Beverly Hillbillies a ‘project.’” A year later, I had no fucking idea what I was in for.

[@notannoyingdog3576]

Yeah

[@federicacucchetti3792]

im so upset cause i only got to watch around 8 or 9 hours and now i will never know what happens in the next 30

[@swordsmanthegamernine7973]

He called Trina Tootsie here! HE REFRENCED HEAD OF THE CLASS TOWARDS THE START OF THE VIDEO!!!!!

[@sketchycat6223]

@@federicacucchetti3792same 😭 I hardly even got an hour in, it was just such an overwhelmingly long video. It probably would’ve taken me a month to actually finish it

[@federicacucchetti3792]

@@sketchycat6223 omg same i powered through the first 4 or 5 hrs and then i watched like an hour anday cause it was so muchhhh

[@pacoromes]

It’s increasingly baffling that Trina is the hated one when Robbie’s actions have gotten them in all kinds of trouble, made them cancel ping pong, almost killed Tori, and got them literally thrown in a foreign prison.

[@wildboywifey6485]

Robbie's crimes: - whatever tf he does while playing Pirates that Cat doesn't like. WTF did he do to her??? - Robarazzi - Everything Rex says and does - Drank their last bit of water in that heat wave episode - Ordered caviar and is somehow surprised it was expensive - Love bombed Trina and didn't stop after she and Cat both told him it's inappropriate - Injuring the food truck man Whats the worst thing Trina's done? - Injured the food truck man

[@Medusa_The-Bard]

@@wildboywifey6485 I mean she also hid the fact that she had water-

[@solangelostan6016]

True but Trina is genuinely very pretentious and annoying.

[@skyslasher2297]

Plus all of Rex's sexual harassment which even if Rex is supernatural Robbie enables it.

[@ashikjaman1940]

@@skyslasher2297 to be fair I'm not sure he has much of a choice

[@shimpey2410]

very disappointing that you didn’t mention the entire conceit of the episode “Beck Falls for Tori” was because the writers asked Avan Jogia if he wanted to do anything specific and his one request was to dress in drag

[@DanielHernandez-gx4kh]

Wtf Fr?! 😭✋🏻

[@JamesEnwright]

Avan is so iconic, apparently the show gave him nothing to do so he decided to just mess around as much as possible

[@ninjamonkey508]

I didn't know that! That's really interesting fun fact

[@driveasandwich6734]

Based Jogia

[@willeeuhm]

@@JamesEnwright He co-founded an LGBT awareness organization during the show's run too, what a guy

[@griffin1155]

the most unrealistic thing about this show is that two kids were doused in melted cheese & were only mildly inconvenienced. i’ve gotten hot nacho cheese poured on me while working food service & had to go home early with second degree burns all over my hands

[@jadegrace1312]

yeah, even soft cheese melts at 130°, which just so happens to be the temperature at which we get second degree burns, and that cheese could've easily been hotter.

[@konoyuchilan971]

I find it funny that a side character that was considered the stupid one in the show became a hit singer and was the one who rose, not Victoria.

[@dayzsaclark7543]

I hope you’re okay now. 🥺

[@AnimeFan9833]

ye i was wondering what they actually used to film that scene because there's no way you wouldn't (at least wish to) die there.

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@konoyuchilan971 Your comment is irrelevant to this comment thread…

[@dave_yarders]

Fun fact: I had no idea who Perez Hilton was, and thought he was the in-universe gender-swapped version of Paris Hilton

[@coolbeans5911]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@hopelessromantic3786]

I'm so glad it wasn't just me

[@Shae29]

LMAOO I can see that tho, esp as a kid

[@smelly1060]

Damn, so no-one else's watched Bad Girls Club ¿

[@venusinvoyage]

this was me too 😭

[@redaim25]

The fact that Sikowitz's class realistically consists of like, 7 people, is accurate to every acting class I've ever taken.

[@kitchensinkchronicles3272]

as a theatre major, same.

[@WasatchWind]

I've always thought acting was really fun, I've enjoyed doing voices and stuff like that, but I've never taken a theater class because I've been afraid of the kind of people that'd be in the classes. I don't know if that's a realistic perception or not, but I'd already endured trying a graphic design degree, and there were a lot of intolerable people in those classes.

[@toadt0ad]

exactly and the fact that the background people don’t do anything, very true to life. there’s always some kids just there for an easy credit lol

[@honeywriting6762]

@@WasatchWind as someone in theater classes, you got the passionate ones who want to try. and then usually the ones who don't do anything unless needed. The intolerable ones are very few but still there and would refuse to do the simplest things that require very little of them just off the fact they have to act. (Based on my experience)

[@Fiona_fml]

My headcanon is that the silent ones are like Theatre Tech majors that dont want to be there but are required

[@arthurdurham]

Funny story: I was an extra on a movie with Avan Jogia (Beck) and I made a joke while he was walking by; he laughed and turned to give me a fist bump. Cool dude

[@patiencekillz]

Avan Jogia just seems like such a genuinely nice person

[@realshipn5546]

@@patiencekillz and now he’s Leon in resident evil. What a guy

[@pearliee]

what was da joke

[@wolfcub0545]

@@pearliee there is no joke. he's just a nice person.

[@pearliee]

@@wolfcub0545 nono, like the joke the person made while Avan was walking by

[@Karragh]

I like that in iParty, the girls both realize immediately that they have no reason to be mad at eachother and healthily direct their anger in the direction of the person that wronged them, instead of seeing eachother as rivals. It was honestly nice. Just that aspect of the episode, not the rest. But its a lot more emotionally healthy than this kind of cheating love triangle is usually handled.

[@BratzRockAngels]

Yeah. I never understood why people would get mad at the person their partner cheated on them with, and not the person who cheated on them. They were wronged just as much as them. But I guess it's just anger and confusion before coming to conclusions like that.

[@hiddenleafdrip3869]

Which is incredibly ironic given that in their respective shows, they fight over boys all the time lmao. It was honestly so out of the norm for the script to not go in that direction, that I can only assume it was because it'd be pretty awkward to have Carly and Tori fight over some random dude brought in for a crossover.

[@ashikjaman1940]

@@hiddenleafdrip3869 imagine if they fought over Fred lol

[@lilylopnco]

@@BratzRockAngels Some people just can't compute that the person they trusted would hurt them.

[@BratzRockAngels]

@@lilylopnco That is a good point.

[@mozzarellakrunccy5655]

The real kick in the balls is that if you actually brush the dolls hair with the little doll hairbrush, it would absolutely ruin it and that’s why you see dolls in the thrift store and stuff with rats nest of hair

[@nothinkin69]

Also kids don't brush the hair of the dolls. They tape them to the wall.

[@yoojeebee]

EXACTLY 😭😭

[@sammygecko_]

I mean, if you brush from the bottom it won’t be bad. Not like they gave us that info, so it definitely created tangles But… as someone who had dolls, I don’t think the ultra-tangled rat nest happened from just brushing. I know that if I set one down on a piece of cloth and just wiggled them around, their hair would be done for. I don’t honk many thrift store dolls were kept in a doll stand before arriving there

[@myrandajo9280]

"there's an episode where andre is just really into cheese and it's never brought up again" honestly... that's what being a teenager is like

[@therealopaartist]

Ig I'll just take my cheese plate and fuck off then. No pepper jack for you.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

Or having ADHD

[@prisonmike19]

@@LangkeeLongkee definitely

[@aliahduiker4911]

I believe the same thing happens with ketchup

[@peelmymango]

@@aliahduiker4911 it does too hahahaha forgot about that!

[@LollipopLozzy454545]

Something that only hit me six months after this video came out is that when the gang takes Rex to the hospital in S1 E14 the fact that they have him hooked up to an IV and taking up a bed and it *doesn't* plunge Robbie into crippling medical debt implies that Rex has health insurance.

[@akumayoxiruma]

Or that this show doesn't actually take place in the real Hollywood but any other country on Earth where universal health care is a very normal thing for everyone.

[@robloxtopmyths561]

@@akumayoxiruma or it takes place in a universe where Hollywood isnt in LA, its in Canada.

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

Now that... is actually funny.

[@pinkiichi]

@@robloxtopmyths561 or, arguably sadder, in an AU where America does have free healthcare because it's easier to just. Not address the painful reality that unless you have insurance you can't afford a basic necessity.

[@gisselle1984]

w

[@evunee]

Trina's "Chicago" subplot is still so funny to me and I sometimes quote myself singing the city Chicago in her voice whenever the city comes up.

[@saraj5347]

it’s a city that’s exciting it’s a city that’s inviting

[@biggy0917]

This is the only bit from this show that I remember fondly

[@Somcognito]

omg sameeee I thought I was the only one 😅😂😂

[@shannonheflin563]

There’s a lake they call Lake Michigan i think im really fitting in this city is my perfect cup of TEAAAAAA

[@hi.imalayna]

The doctor sAYs I ain’t ever gonna walk agAIn... Notevenon cRUTCHes!

[@the-inatorinator]

I'm only an hour into this, but I think the reason Disney stars blow up and Nick stars don't...is the scouting process. Disney took gifted kids and gave them the promotion they needed to take off. Nick kind of worked in reverse though, trying to mold a star out of someone who wouldn't otherwise get that chance. I also think age has something to do with it. 14 and 16 doesn't seem like a big difference, but that's a HUGE gap when it comes to kids' pop culture obsession. You're just not going to get the same "OMG ITS TORI VEGA" energy from a 16 year old as you would from a 14 year old Hannah Montana fan.

[@the-inatorinator]

I'm not saying that Nick stars don't have talent btw - they do. But it's a different kind of talent than the natural charisma that someone like Selena Gomez had since childhood.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Pretty much

[@pullimau8555]

@@the-inatorinator what disney star is still successfull?

[@the-inatorinator]

@@pullimau8555 Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo...just to name a few that are still relevant in the current year 2024 :)

[@pullimau8555]

@@the-inatorinator you sure little man? press x to doubt

[@CreoTan]

You know what would’ve actually been really cool? If Tori became a director or a manager/agent instead of an actor/singer. Like if she found out her real talent was bringing people together, helping people uncover their skills and be confident as performers, etc It would’ve been a great character arc for her realizing she doesn’t need to be on stage to be important. Like man. What if she realized Trina had an actual great talent and helped her sister book gigs and stuff??

[@Rowenawhite]

But trina's talent was comedy.

[@turnersgauge3430]

Comedians still need booked gigs for their shows/routines, especially live performances. Also wouldn’t that be so wholesome, the two sisters figure out their true talents together being comedy and management and they work together to make their careers grow.

[@IjeomaThePlantMama]

They should have hired you in the writers room. It was constantly embarrassing to see Tori being clearly out performed by her peers, but she was always catapulted to the front because she was "the star". Even the kid with the dummy was funnier than her.

[@kode-man23]

@@IjeomaThePlantMama It's even funnier that they HAD an actual, future superstar in the cast the whole time.

[@colbygarcia8766]

That would've been actually good :0 and they had a whole team of writers

[@AeonKnigh432]

I know Trina is supposed to suck and all but genuinely she supports Tori very well in a ton of episodes.

[@Grim_Sister]

And helps a lot! She advises her to look through a dude’s phone because he seems sus, she’s willing to make an extremely long drive to get the remover for the glue.

[@violacola]

Honestly, one of the Trina moments I remember best from this show so many years later is her screaming "TORI THOSE ARE BUSH DAISIES!" in the episode where Jade tries to sabotage her. Trina can definitely be egotistical, but that one line was a scream of genuine terror. She was trying to save Tori's life.

[@michaelraymon111]

​@@violacola? Yes she is not pro allergy

[@BobBob-vy9ds]

@@violacola yeah, I remember think of Trina as annoying, but overall a good person.

[@PilloTheStar]

She's supposed to be ugly but she's actually super hot, that lotion bukkake scene was an awakening for preteen me

[@bethlenderyou4439]

The treatment of Trina actually really upset me as a kid. I thought they hated her because she wasn't a talented singer and as someone who also sucks at singing (but daydreamed about being a singer all the time) it really hurt. It felt like the message of the show was "you can achieve your dreams and have everything and everyone will love you but only if you're born special". Weirdly validating to hear this pointed out even though I'm in my 20s now

[@briannalee1998]

I agree. This show unintentionally had a terrible message that people are born being perfect at something without practicing and you don’t need to practice, improve, or work hard, things will just be handed to you because your the main character and hard work won’t pay off. and HSM had the same message. What’s sad is that this show easily could have had a good message if it had been about Victoria’s character working hard to get into the school and working hard and struggling to stay in. It could have had a good message about how practice and hard work pays off and how not everyone will be good at everything, but they can always practice and hone their skills and craft.

[@sketchyjulia]

They could’ve had it where Trina had to learn to accept she wasn’t good at singing but she found another aspect of performing she was good at like dancing or song writing or whatever. Kinda like the message of Monsters University

[@StarlightPrism]

I feel like this is really common in a lot of kids' media, at least in the west. Selling the fantasy of being great at something without really trying, or being born into power, whether that's royalty or something supernatural.

[@bethlenderyou4439]

@@StarlightPrism yeah definitely! I think I picked up on it especially with this show because Trina was meant to be hated because she was an asshole, but they made every other character an asshole so the only difference was she wasn't talented. They could have made their point without making her character apparently talentless 🦪

[@bethlenderyou4439]

@@StarlightPrism that oyster emoji was a total mistake lmao ignore that

[@claires1063]

They literally put the girls in the same Christmas outfit that Community used as a punchline about how sexualizing Annie via infantalization was weird

[@Zeverish]

Rex being a racial caricature is something 100% missed as a kid, but was immediately clocked as I started watching this video and I'm so glad you said something.

[@PhantomFandoms]

I actually started rewatching the show before Quinton even announced he was also. When I watched the pilot, I saw Rex's skin was darker than I remembered, and sure enough next episode from there on out it was much lighter, but seeing that made me start thinking until it clicked about 3 episodes in that "oh no, Rex is black" before also realizing that Rex is black **played by a white man** and I just... yea...

[@theMOCmaster]

I can't believe people missed it, I thought Quinton was being sarcastic

[@destinyg7693]

yes exactly. i didn’t realize it until right before he said it in the video.

[@crypticcryptid4702]

@@theMOCmaster In my defence I was really young, and never thought much about the show after.

[@Trollestiatumblur]

@@theMOCmaster Even as a black kid watching victorious, I didn’t get it. They clearly did a terrible job. Because I (unlike the writers) know what black people are actually like, even in “urban” areas. Just like Cat is obviously Autistic and Adhd, I didn’t get that as a kid despite me having both of those things. Because again, I KNOW what we are actually like and the writers clearly didn’t. I wasn’t the biggest fan if Victorious, but I would play it whenever my older nieces and nephews were over (we are around the same age, one older than me.) Now I just…. Cringe.

[@furfoxsake1175]

As a kid I picked up on the fact that the Victorious characters never took core curriculum classes, but instead of thinking that was weird/a flaw with the show's writing, my kid brain concluded that it's just how arts high schools are, that they only took fun creative classes. I was jealous because I knew I'd have to go to a normal high school were they taught boring stuff. Now I'm in college pursuing lab science so the "boring stuff" is basically all I work on lol.

[@Laslus_]

dffudi same except with physics the 'boring stuff' is fun tv just doesn't know how to show it

[@hope-cat4894]

Tori mentioned in the show having a science project with Cat in one episode, so I just assumed they didn't want to focus on core classes because that would be a waste. The appeal of the show is the songs and crazy plays they do, other shows focus on history tests and P.E. in normal high schools. I was ok with it as a kid because it was part of the escapism fantasy for me. 🤷‍♀️

[@brayanargandonaflorentino548]

It makes me wonder if one of these students have to take charter schools or vocational schools where it is the only way to concentrate more of their core curriculum than focusing on the main school, where is either if the school budget has spent more money for the arts or it's one of those "Accepted" kind of situation where they opened up a college founded by a college student and don't know anything about the core curriculum, so they can just do whatever they want in their disposal

[@yukow0w601]

that's funny bc i went to an arts school when this was airing and was so jealous lol

[@mauve9266]

I swear they had history homework that one time 🤔 I’m ns

[@kiracarver988]

It's funny that you worry about sounding sexist when you say the girls in Victorious are unlikeable, because they don't like each other. That observation is true. Usually when fictional female characters can't get along because of constant competition between them, a misogynistic person wrote them; especially if it's every female character within a story. It's not sexist to call out bad, sexist writing don't worry. It's actually appreciated.

[@ellipszilonq]

I like to think that Jade, Tori and Cat were in a secret throuple and all the bickering/fighting was just for show

[@misssteak1290]

No, because that's actually true. The guys interacted like genuine friends, whereas there's always conflict when it comes to the girls. It never felt balanced.

[@urktheturtle2988]

So... thats what went wrong with The Last Jedi :/

[@leonardo.diCATio]

Women always have to be portrayed as "moody". It's so odd, people just don't act in that manner...unless they're an asshole. I'm a girl, and I would never in a million years treat my fellow female friends like that.

[@sven2win498]

@@urktheturtle2988 What the fuck is this even supposed to mean...

[@trisarahtops1092]

So, when I was in middle school, I was invited to be a part of a class that was going to make a “movie” and we would then sell the DVD to make a profit for the school. (Which is confusing ethically, but not the point of this story). They got a few girls to write the script. It ended up being primarily filled with physical comedy that was actually just assault and openly bullying and mocking characters that deviated from the norms of what was considered “socially popular” behaviour. And the teacher who was in charge basically had no oversight of anything until the very end. She watched the video (I was on the editing team because I was the only student who knew how to use Windows Movie Editor) and was absolutely horrified by the content. She ended up editing all of the assault and bullying out of the video, and the end product was an absolute mess that made no sense. But at the time, I couldn’t understand why she was so shocked and upset by the content. I mean, that was the humour of all the tv shows we were watching at that time. The script writers had basically just copied plots from Hannah Montana and Zoey 101. But as an adult, I’m kind of horrified by how normalized abuse and bullying here among by peers because of the media was consumed. And I often wonder if this has had any kind of lasting impact in my brain.

[@holdmeclosertinyprancer]

Something that fascinates me as I learn about this show through this video is that based on the pilot episode and the "birthday week" thing you'd think Trina is the spoiled "favorite" child of their parents who's always gotten everything she's wanted while Tori is the "unfavorite" child whose natural talents were either never recognized by her parents or outright discouraged to keep her in Trina's shadow, hence why Tori thinks she's untalented compared to Trina and it's only when people outside the family see Tori perform that her talent is recognized, but then you get the stuff with their parents actively hating Trina and completely ignoring her at her own birthday party to record Tori performing and then you realize the writers did not give a shit about the dynamics of that family other than "haha Trina sucks"

[@hell0mega]

honestly narcissism can often be developed as a coping mechanism in children who don't get the attention they need. so her behavior actually kinda tracks, but not in a good way.

[@SuperOtakuKyo]

When you put it like that, it almost comes off like maybe Trina's personality was formed by the neglect and hate she got from her parents.

[@v.v365]

The fact that they set up Trina with martial arts skills and dancing skills makes me think maybe they should’ve included an arc or an episode or at least a side plot of Trina getting into stunt doubling

[@gayghostprince]

that would've been so good!!!

[@VirtuAquarium3D]

......Considering THESE writers im not sure that wouldve ended very well. Remembering the Several stunt double injury jokes prompted specifically by the Gibby Dies incident..................

[@gayghostprince]

@@VirtuAquarium3D you know what? you're absolutely right

[@princeluffy412]

Or physical comedy. Like when her one woman show became iconic for being a comedy. She would have been a kick-ass comedian. An Amy Poehler type ykwim?

[@n4musica]

I think Cat’s stupidity started to impede on Ariana’s real world singing career for a little bit just after victorious ended and she started to gain momentum. I remember everyone still expecting her to have red hair and wear cupcake dresses all the time and that once she ditched the red hair, Ari the megastar emerged.

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

That red hair fucking killed her hair dude, the constant bleaching and straightening is why she cut it off and wore ponytail extension in the first place

[@DellaVanilla14]

@Jasmine N. tv shows can have contracts where the directors can have control over the actors hair. this happens with kpop artists quite often (obviously not exactly the same thing, especially culture wise, but still)

[@biancaa5562]

@Jasmine N. i think the first few seasons she did get it bleached but then she said her hair was getting really damaged so she ended up having to wear wigs and stuff

[@jinorism]

dang. should’ve been wigs from the start. i just can’t imagine all that chemical damage

[@wiiink]

as a kid watching victorious I remember thinking "wow how is the actress for Cat not the star of this show, she's definitely going to be famous someday"

[@LenzVonKoepenick]

You know, the writers barely disguised fetish is kinda funny in the realm of books and fanfiction, pretty concerning in childrens animation and actually fucking nauseating when its being performed by teen actors. God I hate Nickelodeon.

[@psychonaut1502]

Apparently, the guy who plays Andre now produces songs for Drake and co-wrote two Ariana songs from her latest album.

[@cameronpolite2199]

Thats good to hear i liked his character

[@supermutantsam1160]

Cool to see that him being a talented songwriter in the show was based off real talent.

[@annelorraine9529]

He produced the majority of her debut album too!

[@RenRavage]

Leon Thomas III

[@Berked2Hard]

Which songs?

[@Laramaria2]

I'll never get over the whole "Tori is the most talented of the group" thing.... Not that Victoria can't sing, she is not a bad singer at all, but when her co-stars are LIZ GILLIES AND ARIANA GRANDE YOU CAN'T EXPECT ME TO THINK SHE IS THE MOST TALENTED!!!!!

[@mariogamefreak1]

Liz Gilles and Ariana Grande were on Broadway while Victoria Justice was doing sitcoms.

[@saffiya866]

and leon too! leon has helped write a lot of ariana's songs and he is a great singer himself. def in my top 3 victorious singers along w liz and ari.

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

Well - You can separate story and reality. But even when it's just the story. Talent needs also training. So there is no reason, why sometimes she gets treated better, get better roles and being that high praised while she was there on the school for such a short time.

[@jessicacurbeam2990]

@@KaliqueClawthorne exactly Liz deserved the main role in the plays they did she was the best female actress

[@JeanPaulBeaubier]

Not to mention Leon Thomas III is immensely talented!

[@jiminscrookedtooth7592]

I cannot believe I watched 5 hours of a victorious analysis and wasn’t bored for one second of it

[@kORkOR19]

Same bro same

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

There’s way too much filler. Nobody clicked on this for 45 minutes of rambling about Garfield.

[@Thatsokayiwaswrong]

@@MrRyan-wu4jx shut up you don't know me

[@LostSwiftpaw]

@@MrRyan-wu4jx Speak for yourself

[@basharalbutseggs8056]

@@MrRyan-wu4jx oh wow I didn’t realize that section was so long until I saw ur comment. I was about to sit through that, thank u

[@AlastairEnd]

When I was a kid I literally refused to watch the episode where Rex "dies" because of how creepy and messed up it felt. The visuals and the episode in general was a total disaster in my mind. The heatwave episode is another major one that I remember making me incredibly uncomfortable and anxious... a kids show should make a kid feel none of these bad emotions. What a wreck.

[@dannyphantom3090]

I think that's just you guys as I never felt uncomfortable watching either episode.

[@AlastairEnd]

@@dannyphantom3090 Doll stuff always creeped me out so it makes sense. Everyone’s different!

[@alphabettispaghetti3805]

I like how the character who is supposed to be hated arguably doesn't do much compared to characters you're supposed to root for

[@farenheit2456]

Her only crime is being annoying, but that’s it. She didn’t cause several people in critical condition to be neglected because the doctor had to fake a puppet’s death.

[@STRcircaFKR]

@@farenheit2456 she also didn't waterboard her intoxicated SISTER

[@alphabettispaghetti3805]

@@STRcircaFKR *SURELY* Tori is in the right in these scenarios because the writers said so

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@farenheit2456 Not gonna disagree, but let’s not pretend Jade didn’t show signs of sociopathic behavior…

[@hilariparsons9937]

Jade is not nice to a single person ever, not even her own boyfriend, and dumps coffee on Tori her first day at school like there's no defending her

[@allycat0136]

I haven’t seen Victorious in YEARS, but you can bet on the fact that I think of Trina’s Chicago song every single day.

[@louisathellama]

I'm glad I'm not the only one

[@SellaturcicaArt]

It's a city that's exciting, it's a city that's inviting, it's a city for a woman just like meeeeee. There's a lake they call lake Michigan, I think I'm really fitting in, this city is my perfect cup of teaaaaaaaa

[@tristamfs3542]

@@SellaturcicaArt CHICAGOOOOOOOOO CHICAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

[@serenitymoon825]

I hear it in my nightmares, lol

[@TheAntlionGuard]

It's catchy in the absolute worst way

[@psychehurricane]

another possibility: Dr. Dodie is actually not one person, but quadruplets who all decided to pursue medicine.

[@ThatLittleKitten]

The Nurse Joys of the Schneider-Verse

[@birritan5479]

This pair of comments opened my third eye thank you

[@henriquejambu]

that makes much more sense i love it

[@CartoonTriper]

@@ThatLittleKitten and contrary to the competents Nurse joys, they are imcompetents

[@IcyDiamond]

@@birritan5479 These comments opened up my fourth eye

[@Lexichi22]

I love that most of the main cast specialize in music but there are no music classes. There is only theater!

[@kamilaciaglewicz7076]

Rex not dying truly pains me to this day. I was so happy when he died as a child I hated him so much. Still do. I wanted Robbi to grow as a person and obviously nothing would ever change with Rex there

[@thylionheart]

SAME! I was always so mad at Tori for that

[@JeanPaulBeaubier]

Rex was the main reason I refused to watch Victorious as a kid

[@AriaLouisa]

ME TOO. Omg I wanted them to get rid of him so badly 😫

[@rinarina9424]

SAME

[@xxx_ray]

Here to say same!

[@gabbyvelvet]

"This is just a fetish thing, thinly disguised as a joke" - basically sums up the entire show

[@Sir_Maximus_Hardwood]

When I was a boy I tugged it to that RV episode

[@phantomdriver2010]

5:19:34 Even the game has fetish shit with a "get berated by a goth girl" mini game XD

[@tyleroravec4127]

@@phantomdriver2010 where can i find this game….asking for a friend

[@savannahdriscoll4970]

@@Sir_Maximus_Hardwood what the fuck 😂

[@anoymous8834]

Yep

[@ladylynx9891]

After binging Victorious I am surprised no one has made a compilation of times people compliment Tori _for absolutely no reason._ Every new boy who meets her thinks she isn't just pretty, but GORGEOUS. she isn't a good singer but a SUPERSTAR. She isn't just talented but THE MOST BRILLIANT ARTIST EVER. It gets very annoying very fast, because it's _completely out of nowhere_ and usually a such a sudden exagerated compliment that you can literally picture the executive writer adding highlights to the entire script like: "This line doesn't make Tori sound flawless enough!" No surprise everyone hates this character. She is a basic girl with plot armor.

[@charlottemartinson]

LITERALLY!! and that one episode where ppl kept complimenting her cheek bones ?? LMAO

[@meiamymei]

@@charlottemartinson omg yes that was so weird! Somebody actually calls her "cheekbones" or "miss cheekbones" or something like that. So many bizarre moments in that show

[@s_fashionlover]

@@charlottemartinson to be fair, she does have nice prominent cheekbones lol

[@victorgonzalez2499]

Part of what made Zoey 101 impossible to watch too

[@maddiechimienti4402]

U don’t have to like tori but Victoria justice is STUNNING and she was definitely the prettiest girl on the show

[@Autistic_Menace00]

“I THINK IM GOING TO HAVE A BABY!” Is genuinely a funny thing for a pregnant character to say in that tone

[@Monique.Marceline]

I went to the school that “Hollywood Arts” is supposed to basically be a stand-in for (LACHSA - Los Angeles County High School of the Arts), can confirm, our class schedule was 1. Theater class 2. Different theater class 3. Third theater class 4. Yet another theater class 5. Final theater class - with, of course, “FOOD TRUCK LUNCH BREAK”. Oh, and an optional extracurricular “History of the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln Class”.

[@Ae-en6qk]

truly the essentials

[@robynsmith6815]

Out of curiosity, what was your actual courseload?

[@WhatTheDuckVids]

went to the orange county version of this, can also confirm it's the same

[@visassess8607]

Jeez it must be nice being rich

[@Monique.Marceline]

@@visassess8607 lol, I am not rich. I grew up paycheck to paycheck, scrounging for change in my couch & my parents’ car to make it to the end of the month. LACHSA is a public, tuition-free school that i got into based on my audition & GPA. 65% of the student body are minorities & something like 1/4 are economically disadvantaged.

[@jamdeluxe7456]

when Quinton said "there is no heterosexual explanation" i immediately realized, if this show got a reboot, there's no fucking way they wouldn't gay bait the hell out of tori and jade, more than they are in this series

[@ScarletKomi]

Why the pessimism? Make them canon in the reboot

[@dasboom7133]

Gotta make them social media points

[@yikesmcgee1283]

When he said that it made me want to know if he was an owl house fan or just terminally online

[@icecreamhero2375]

I'm all for LGBT rep but that sounds abusive and I hate that idea.

[@katlyndobransky2419]

Nah Tori and Andre all the way

[@laundryman9432]

As someone who has worked in showbiz, people genuinely say “Urban” instead of Black, I think the way they use it in the show is meant to be sort of a joke about that. But legitimately when character casting people will be like “oh we want an urban teen!” And what they mean is they want a black teenager, “we’ve got to connect with the urban audience more” is something I heard often and despise.

[@iversiafanatic]

Sorry for the late reply. I totally think you’re on the money, but even if it was executed well, I’d argue it’s inappropriate to make jokes about racism in such a subtle way like that in a kids show (with no context or discussion.) it’s much more likely they normalized for the kids watching the very racist thing they were trying to make fun of

[@iversiafanatic]

Obvs talking about racism in TV shows for kids is awesome, I just think it needs to be presented not by Dan shithead

[@hankboog462]

​@mikescubes yeah I agree, if it's meant to make fun of how people in showbiz say "urban" I feel like that'd be a pretty funny joke on an adult show about hollywood

[@mummytrolls]

I don’t know why they don’t just say “We need a Black teen for this show.” Black isn’t a bad word. Maybe like in the casting when they said “do an urban accent” they said urban instead of Black cuz they knew if they said “do a Black accent” it’d sound overtly racist. But other times just saying “We need to cast a Black teen for this role” isn’t racist unless they’re making a caricature.

[@jeltje50]

​@@mummytrolls I think because it's not really about the appearance. Since they do cast characters on skin color. It's more HOW the character is played they don't want to mention skin colour. It can come across weird to just straight up ask "ohhh can you act more black". Like it's not the skin colour. But more the expectation/stereotype of that skincolour.

[@AndyHatesMovies]

hey dude, just wanted to say that as someone who’s been very depressed your videos have been such a big help for me. not only for my sleep, but also as a tool for me to revisit my childhood. your content is so entertaining and im so excited to keep watching your videos. thanks for the giggles

[@grayyyyy]

3:25:33 the reason they seemed like they were "fighting for screen time" IS BECAUSE THEY WERE. if you read jeanette mccurdy's book she describes how the producer made the cast drink alcohol underage, fight for their screentime, and forced them to do things to try and get more popular :/

[@owenleal]

I'm waiting for the part where you've timestamped where he says anything about them seeming like they are fighting for screentime. Edit: I did end up getting to that part, but you were way off with the time stamp.

[@amaram6121]

Here I think: 3:25:33

[@grayyyyy]

@@owenleal OOPSIES, ill fix it rn

[@coatimundi69]

avan does have that tiktok about them not remembering anything he did during victorious bc he was drinking the whole time /: edit: it was phrased more like "dont recall anything bc i was partying" but its still bad lol

[@MeMarcusTheCreator]

@@coatimundi69e did like a comment that asked if that meant that beck was drunk/hungover

[@sadefan536]

One thing that also made me furious with the show was how incomplete andre’s character was they never gave him a backstory or background to grasp from his backstory was basically his “crazy” grandmother which always felt weird to me and seemed like it was playing into the black stereotype.

[@Moony1568]

They did Andre dirty.

[@rg6310]

Black grandmas are crazy? Not familiar with that stereotype.

[@ebonih7138]

Don’t forget his girlfriend episode 😁

[@sadefan536]

@@ebonih7138 YER

[@sadefan536]

@@rg6310 then get familiar enough

[@bennyandthetops]

idk if this changes later in the show but has anyone else noticed that andre is never actually considered as a love interest for any of the main female characters, like admittedly with robbie its often played out for a bit but andre doesnt even get that

[@somethingbanter]

It's probably because Robbie is generally used as a joke ship for cat and beck is already with Jade so that would only leave Tori as the remaining main character female for Andre and as we know this particular production group hates Black characters and there's no way they would have the whit girl main character end up with a black guy. Despite the fact that they have good chemistry at least within what the show considers to be good chemistry

[@sunwrayz]

As a black girl watching this I always thought this! They even brought in black characters for him to be with but never anyone in the main cast

[@SlaterRecordsTV]

@@sunwrayz i noticed that too. i always shipped him and Tori but it seems he's "not good enough for the main white girl" director/writer is basically racist.

[@sunwrayz]

@@SlaterRecordsTV honestly they had so much chemistry!

[@dakz9296]

@@SlaterRecordsTV Tori mentioned that she's half-Latina, considering that Victoria Justice herself is part-Puerto Rican.

[@KittyFeaux]

i hate that you're right about the girls in the show hating each other. Kat is that friend who's a sweetheart but is picked on and only hangs around the other characters for protection because if she's not being bullied by them she'd be bullied by someone worse. Im not projecting... you are.

[@clairemaddyparanoid]

Quintonnnnnnnnnn how could you mention Tori's parents without talking about the fact that they're constantly cheating on one another - specifically how Tori's mom has the hots for the dad's cop partner?

[@summerjackson7295]

YES!!!

[@mariaathena7910]

indeed!!!!

[@guesswhoshere8024]

How did the dad cheat on the mom?

[@talb.1805]

excuse me WHAT?

[@sketchyjulia]

Iirc they don’t start that running joke until after the episodes covered here

[@MateusDrake]

"we're not counting crimes in this video, because the show is a crime itself" That explains it. I think that, if he were counting the crimes, it'd have broken him even harder.

[@Viva_Reverie]

"Comically long deep dives of shows I've never watched" is now my new favourite genre 👀👀

[@-arii-3610]

same

[@legokiller3579]

Hey who let you out of the animation dungeon!

[@aquaarietta]

Saaaame

[@kinglod2312]

I didn’t even know Victorious was a thing

[@AamiraGehenna]

Pryo/ Quinton moment

[@grfrjiglstan]

Knowing now that this video got Matt Bennett to extend his tour is seriously heartwarming.

[@phffffbt]

Man, one thing that's stuck out to me while watching these is just how young the actors/actresses are. Like as a kid watching I didnt really notice, but as an adult I see that there are _children_ performing on stage.

[@huntercrunch94]

Yeah, it’s very different from the movie world where the teenagers are played by people in their 30’s.

[@TheLalalalani]

It's wild. In shows like Riverdale and Vampire Diaries we're used to seeing 25 year olds playing 16 year olds. But if you watch the first couple seasons of Hannah Montana they are BABIES

[@-Desire]

Unlike now with brooding 25 year olds masquerading as 16 year olds lol

[@lucykwiatek5159]

Which makes all of this just SO much more unsettling.

[@gracekim1998]

I only didn’t realise these people were only a few years older than me when I watched it. I think Miley was like 12 at the start of Hannah Montana

[@IAmTheUltimateRuler]

ok but "boys enter a ballet class to hit on girls; discover that the class consists entirely of boys who joined to hit on girls" is legit hilarious

[@adityaagarwal6640]

YOU WILL GET A ZAERO IN THIS CLASS

[@wyntonyang]

Likely a coincidence, but Home Improvement actually did a similar gag years before, only it was a home ec class. this is useless knowledge, but I know it and now you do too.

[@lepotato135]

It's actually pretty realistic too lol. I think when my dad was in college or high school, he chose Cooking Class just because he thought there would be girls there. Instead it was mostly guys who had the exact same idea who showed up. I won't lie though, I find it a little creepy when people do this, but they're teenagers so I don't blame them for wanting to stare at people they might have a crush on. Like when some girls would go to the basketball or football court just to watch the guys play.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

I also really like the can of lemonade "that you have to stir yourself."

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@lepotato135 I would first assume trying to get into a girl-heavy class would be to have more people to meet/possibly date rather than solely augle. Though honestly High School dance & cheerleading shows at rallies always got me as creepy. Sure it is good exercise and it is arbitrary that it is mainly women in said groups. But having a bunch of high school girls in skimpy/showy outfits perform in front of an entire student body raises alarm bells in my mind.

[@glass.hammer]

To refer to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as “theatre heckling” is perhaps the most theatre kid perspective. I don’t doubt that John Wilkes Booth would have used that as his defense, bravo.

[@tonyjoestar2632]

Whitest Kids You Know did an entire skit based on that take

[@SteveRudzinski]

NOW YOU FUCKED UP NOW YOU FUCKED UP YOU HAVE FUCKED UP NOW

[@casperchristiansen2458]

@@SteveRudzinski WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT Hey...

[@greywolf7577]

Usually heckling is aimed at the stage, not someone in the audience.

[@birdbrain4445]

2:19:13 - You know, it just clicked for me why Jade's doll is the least uncanny valley looking; it's the expression. Tori's and Cat's dolls have a smile that for whatever reason puts them closer to unnerving territory. Jade's meanwhile has an expression that looks more natural and also calm, and I think works a lot better.

[@transrightsdinosaur]

So what you're saying is the entire show is *definitely* not the writers' poorly disguised fetish

[@mavohq]

thats just every dan schneider show unfortunately

[@noahkarpinski1824]

Not the ENTIRE show. I'm sure there are at least a few scenes that weren't written by perverts

[@hakulives2613]

Ah, a tragic case of Totally Spies syndrome.

[@ИванКаракчеевПиктчюерс]

@@hakulives2613 Explanation of the Totally Spies syndrome, from my perspective. Totally Spies syndrome is a cinematographic disease, which shows itself by having a motion picture, television series or animations having certain scenes, that are containing undisguised fetishism towards certain objects, such as body parts and/or situations, ex. being tied up, due to said scenes being ordered to write, written, created, edited and incorporated into the motion picture by sexually perverted deviants within the crew of animators or filmmakers during creative process of the motion picture. P.S.: Sorry if it offends someone else who reads it. I sincerely apologize and hope that you'll accept my apology. I dunno.

[@hakulives2613]

@@ИванКаракчеевПиктчюерс I mean...hello nail, I see you've been hit on the head 😆

[@StarryNightxx]

I think what's really disturbing that I just realized is that victorious was obviously very very marketed towards girls, yet the show made a constant attempt to kinda s3xualize the female actresses and make them attractive. As cool as that was for me as a bisexual girl growing up lmao, it makes u wonder who that was for. Really adds another disturbing element to the theories people have about creepy Dan Schneider.

[@jupiter75100]

Huh. Sudden realisation why I semi liked victorious back then. And yeah, pretty disturbing and disgusting this stuff was normalizing on a show targeted to teenagers

[@sophiacheon2245]

In my memory, I’d always thought that victorious was an “older” show than icarly, like I had the loose idea that icarly was almost all in middle school, while victorious was in high school. Either that or I’d assumed that victorious must’ve cast older people into high school roles, and I think what u said is why I had that impression. Not that icarly didnt have its fair of creepy shit, but there’s a reason quinton had to start a statutory rape joke count for victorious

[@StarryNightxx]

@@sophiacheon2245 that's true, it definitely gave off the energy that it belonged on teen Nick more than anything because it makes me laugh far more now as an adult than it did as a kid. I guess then the real issue is the times it was aired and the age the show was marketed to. Nickelodeon might've just had the wrong idea about the show I suppose. Although I'd argue the people behind the show equally had the wrong idea and didn't understand why it appealed to people.

[@StarryNightxx]

@@sophiacheon2245 it genuinely surprised me to find out the actors were minors at the time of filming though 🤭

[@crooked9210]

They kinda sexualize everyone if they're considered conventionally attractive. I mean Beck kinda exists solely for that reason

[@daisyartica2538]

In episode 1, I always thought Jade calling Tori a “dog” was nickolodeon for “bitch”. Especially when tori is on all fours and Jade says “Whats the matter… dog?”

[@donb7519]

it probably partially is but also if you know dan schneiders history it is also definitely a fetish thing

[@Direk091]

It is both what you said and a fetish thing.

[@joshentertainment2]

They could have said bitch

[@dagu1801]

@@joshentertainment2 It's a nickelodeon show, they couldn't

[@Wharf922]

@@dagu1801 yeah but it’s the correct terminology!

[@malcfoy]

The "Beck is attractive if you're seventeen" joke is so funny to me personally because I was seventeen when I watched this video for the first time and I thought he was attractive. Now it's two years later and I've changed my mind lol.

[@kososka]

I'm currently 17 and watching this video and I can't wait for a couple of years to pass so that I'll get over it

[@hawkscratch]

Avan Jogia (his actor) definitely aged like fine ass wine, tho. the facial hair does wonders

[@malcfoy]

@@hawkscratch yeah I've seen a few recent pictures of him and he looks great

[@mayvis165]

I don't know if it's just me but when I started watching Victorious when I was like 15 yrs old, I was like "hmm, he looks OK to me" now I'm currently 17yrs I still don't get the hype LOL but I agree to that one reply that he looks finer now he has facial hairs

[@kayd.1600]

As a kid I LOVED the idea of doing a sleepover and having to stay in a character for the entire time. I still think it’s a cute idea for a sleepover party with friends….but not teenagers sleeping at a middle-aged teacher’s house.

[@Marsa11]

@@incrediblekeenan1751 true idk why but it is really unsettling now that you pointed it out

[@Scsigs]

@@incrediblekeenan1751 I mean, he's consistently portrayed as a weird eccentric hippy, which is why he doesn't wear shoes (he wears flip-flops usually, I believe, so I don't see a problem with not wearing shoes in of itself especially in SoCal, but when you combine the other things in the show with it, yeah...I can't defend it.

[@teallineart8805]

@@Scsigs Hold on. Why aren’t flip flops considered shoes?

[@Scsigs]

@@teallineart8805 They're more of open-toed shoes, but I've never actually seen someone consider flip-flops shoes. It's like boots. Boots aren't shoes like you'd normally say.

[@teallineart8805]

@@Scsigs I don’t know. I just find it a little odd, I guess.

[@peppermintea420]

The extremely fucked up realization that I just had: Trina is supposed to be the "DUFF". During this period of the 2010s she WAS probably considered fat when compared to Victoria Justice, which is so ridiculous.

[@DonJulio1942]

It’s quite funny because I was in love with Trina🥴

[@peppermintea420]

@@DonJulio1942 she's gorgeous and talented as Quinton pointed out LOL

[@Grace-sy8gf]

@@peppermintea420 Trina was always my favorite lmao she was my first crush as a kid too

[@nikschroeder6261]

ive always liked trina more then tori, totally had a crush on her as a kid too lol. this is what happens when your writers are out of touch men who aren't allowed within 30 ft of a middleschool ig

[@mariacosic2414]

No she wasn't, she was literally the exact same size as Victoria Justice. The whole point of her character was just to add an annoying, untalented character to make the show more interesting.

[@danceingntherain2]

Knowing know that Daniella didn't feel comfortable doing the pickle and lip gloss bit 2:35:20 and begged not to do it, but was then forced by production.....Really paints this show in a new light for me. These actors were old enough to recognize the innuendos that were written into the script, but were forced to anyway ON A CHILDREN'S TELEVISION SHOW no less!

[@RiverRoestdeKunstenaar]

Any source on that? Not questioning if this is true but I though Jennettes book was really good and I wondering if Danielle also has a book.

[@22joshbb]

@@RiverRoestdeKunstenaar it was an interview from a couple months ago, don't know where though

[@vandalsavage6743]

What's wrong with it?

[@noctuabird]

@@vandalsavage6743do you see the inneudno ?

[@vandalsavage6743]

@@noctuabird no i don't

[@rabidvampdude]

The part in the reality show where Andre says he dislikes brussel sprouts reminds me of an episode of big time rush where gustavo tweets about disliking brussel sprouts but he made a typo so the tweet reads “i hate brussels” like the city in belgium and the belgians get so mad that it nearly ends gustavos whole career. Idk if the connection was intentional because BTR is not a Dan Schneider nick show but i thought it was interesting.

[@daanthedoctor]

oh my god you just unlocked an ancient memory for me

[@cheesecheese6950]

In one of the episodes, Tori says "I'm going to Sikowitz's class," and one of the characters says "We don't have Sikowitz today," so I think they have different classes each day, which would explain how they're able to take so many classes at the same time.

[@Megan-wf2yv]

Is this not just … how school works?,??

[@weaseljay469]

@@Megan-wf2yv some schools schedule a bunch of short classes that repeat each day, and others schedule a smaller set of longer classes that cycle between days (like you have each class every other day).

[@ZealOnWheels704]

@@Megan-wf2yv It's a high school, the two schedule's I've had in my experience was A. For my first 2 years, I went on the AB Schedule, which meant that your 8 classes are split up into 4 class blocks. 4 Classes 1 day, 4 classes the next. B. Last 2 years (I'm in my senior year) I've been on the Block Schedule, which means we have 4 classes every day for 1 semester, then 4 classes the next semester.

[@lajsdrjfgosd2357]

Depending on the school you attend they do “block” classes which are longer classes ( usually like an hour and a half each ) but after Christmas your classes change versus other schools that do “period” classes these are shorter classes ( mine were like 45 minutes each ) but your classes stay the same all year. I went to different schools through high school & experienced both of these

[@islandboy4445]

@@lajsdrjfgosd2357 we had the period schedule at my school, set up in trimesters. Each class was 47 minutes long, 7 periods a day, and we had like four minutes between classes, (because why make things simple for everyone 🙃). We had our main classes that lasted throughout the year, and two or three periods dedicated to "elective" classes, or classes that we could choose to take, and those changed every trimester. So it sounds like there are a lot more ways to do high school than I thought 🤔😅

[@BaeCat872]

The guidance councilor lotion scene was so transparent it was actively shocking. The history of the joke is supposed to be a spray bottle, like a spraying animals? Not… lotion?? Like they had to go out of their way to do that and there’s literally no excuse they could possibly give for it

[@awkwardtaco056]

I genuinely cannot believe I forgot that scene happened until watching this video, flew completely over my head as a naïve middle schooler but now,,, it's just so Undeniable At 21

[@docbrown538]

it also begs the question, why does this guy keep a bottle of lotion in his office? I dunno if thats supposed to be a normal thing, but i have never seen a school counselor with lotion in their office. And i have talked to a lot of school counselors. I might be looking too deep into this but given all the other weird sexual innuendos of the show, i think its worth mentioning

[@jjkilhij9531]

@@docbrown538 If I’m remembering correctly, the character had a running gag of always having or asking for lotion wherever he was

[@daibasta47]

I remember watching that scene when I was a kind and finding it sooooo funny.... not anymore

[@mr.messofgeorgia]

@@docbrown538 I'm not a school counselor, but I've always kept lotion in my offices when I'm in a desk job. Moving a lot paper dries your hands out like crazy, I have to use it multiple times a day

[@Preston-UNC]

I just don't think Victoria has "star/main character" type talent, especially for a show dedicated to performing arts. Writers tried their hardest to somehow make the view believe she was just the greatest, but when you're not even top 3 most talented singer or musician(ariana, leon, and liz) on the cast it makes it kind of tough. Also never letting the talented Leon Thomas sing a song without it featuring her was another terrible decision. The guy is a Grammy award winner who has written/produced for Ariana, Drake, Post Malone, and Jay-Z among others. Liz being the lead would've made this show more believable.

[@mikaylajbmartin]

I love seeing Liz in the “mean girl” roles! Of course I don’t want her to be type cast, and I do believe she is talented to play a variety of roles.

[@jenniferh9612]

The show would work so much better if Liz was the star, then we could have tori as a constant antagonist

[@JadeNichol99]

You should see Liz in dynasty. She's amazing!

[@Preston-UNC]

@@JadeNichol99 Thanks, I'll check it out!

[@rot3053]

I've seen this opinion before and that is that Jade would have been a great main protagonist. Can you imagine her having Tori's storyline? She's an asshole like Tori but that's actually acknowledged and has consequences and she owns it. Imagine her in a fish out of water scenario, from being an outcast kind of goth girl who lacked confidence, to people finally seeing potential in her and her growing into her own. The progression of her character is her asserting herself into that friend group, taking over the school and meeting and dating beck. And her chemistry with ariana could be more focused on and she couldve been more of a co-lead. Victoria Justice would still fit into the show but not have to try to outshine her Broadway trained cast members. The show would thusly be called "Jaded." It's been shown that audiences can root for the mean girl if she's a good character in other ways, like Alex Russo, Blaire Waldorf or Fallon.

[@RainDancer98]

Once you pointed out that the puppet was so clearly derived from minstrelsy, it's impossible to unsee it. It makes the whole show feel weird and gross

[@blazerbeam3988]

I also think for their re-auditions, it was painfully obvious how badly they didn’t want the other singer’s talent to outshine Tori’s. They literally had Jade direct a movie for her audition when her talent is literally singing. Andre barely sang, his audition was that he composed the song for Tori. And they made Cat’s audition super compressed so we wouldn’t her sing.

[@dillantomlin1827]

I agree entirely with your point, except that Jade's "talent"(if you want to reduce Jade into one talent when she's one of the more obviosuly multitalented characters) is obviously directing/writing. She does like... 2 real plays, the short film for the re-auditions, and one of her favourite things is an old slasher fic(This Scissoring) thats obviously influenced her to write and direct similar works.

[@Unhappytimeaper]

I mean I partly agree but also want to note at the same time it makes sense they want to diversify what is shown as being a talent. Hollywood Arts isn’t just a musical school, while clearly nearly all of the main cast is skilled at singing if the auditions were just “have them all sing” it wouldn’t limit the idea that the school has people of all artistic talents (some physical like singing or dancing while some are more behind the scenes interpersonal like song writing). As commented Jade is known to enjoy plays and filmmaking across the show so it’s not as if this was a one off thing, rather something highlighted in her character which partly parallels Beck nicely who enjoys acting. Andre barely sings because while we know his character can that’s not the highlighted focus as it’s always been him wanting to be a composer/producer so having his audition being singing wouldn’t fully connect with his traits despite being vocally gifted. Cat is cat, if they wanted a character to do something quick and bizarre with the audition format she is the only character present who makes it works in align with what we know. Of course the show wants to prop up Tori’s singing compared to the other cast as that’s what her focused skill set is but I don’t think this is a common sole reason in that episode why things are done the way they are, as good of singers as they are we don’t need a 30 min episode where half the time is taken up by just watching them all perform a song back to back. Justifying they all got in cause they can sing makes the whole set of characters much more 1-D which isnt what we need more of.

[@introduction1266]

lol you're reading wayyyyy to much into this. it's just something different from each of them singing individually which would had took up way more time in the episode and would be pretty boring for a show that's usually wacky and finding new and unique ways to spice things up.

[@memoofjacoboarbenzjuanarev9724]

This is why nick never had much success in music they got terrible taste in who they think can be a singer. Me all it took was one look at cat and I knew and I'm not paid or a pro. Other acts prove likewise as well if they want young singers just start a label first and get people who know music and then maybe give them a show and not one on sitcom steroids.

[@introduction1266]

@@memoofjacoboarbenzjuanarev9724 what the hell are you talking about? Nick was the top 2 with Disney

[@puck2470]

The whole fake talk show bit creeped me out more than the rest of the show. This was written by grown ass adults and marketed to small kids/teens. It completely normalizes ignoring an actor's sexual, physical, mental boundaries etc, because hey, that's show biz! It's such an awful message to send out, and it makes my stomach sick. I wouldn't trust any of the people who were behind creating this show if my life depended on it. Their view on the world is horrifying.

[@Salsmachev]

@@jadenbryant9283 I'd think twice about it even if they weren't minors. Given the way real talk show hosts harass and pressure guests, and the general culture of gross consent issues we have I just don't think you can actually make that funny.

[@skyco5395]

@@jadenbryant9283 those bits of "stop" "I'm really uncomfortable" "no, stop" wouldn't be funny even if the girls were adults tbh. it would've still been extremely creepy

[@RevCuck]

if only we knew who the main creative force behind these shows were, so we could find out about all of his awful sexual misconduct!

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

You should express yourself more respectful about the adults I think

[@monkeydad47]

@@Ryan-pg1tw come again?

[@azai.mp4]

By going frame-by-frame at 4:13:57 you can use the "Distance travelled" counter to check that Tori achieves a speed of 49 feet per second. That's about 20% faster than Usain Bolt's record, making Tori canonically the fastest person on Earth.

[@anprimism]

why did you analyse this

[@Lo33y_]

@@anprimism The real question is who wouldn't........

[@azai.mp4]

@@anprimism I think listening to Quinton for 4 hours just put me in that kind of mindset.

[@maddiemcnugget1076]

Honestly Tori being the fastest person in the Dan Schneider universe is hilarious

[@megand2994]

She wasn’t afraid to put her dreams in action

[@DarthGardens]

Beck’s actor drinking underage and forgetting most of his memories of this show feels reminiscent of Dice’s actor from Sam and Cat not remembering very much of his own experience on the show

[@elsie8757]

....I do certainly hope _Dice's_ actor's reason for not remembering much of the show isn't the same as Avan Jogia's, seeing as how he was like. Twelve.

[@nanisohrei]

I'm honestly kinda surprised you didn't mention, or maybe i missed it, that robbie actually moves his mouth a little when rex talks, like he's actually the one doing the voice he's doing a lot of work to make the whole ventriloquist thing look legit despite it being a second voice and it's really cool

[@puffink.1388]

I'm pretty sure robby's actor probably did actually voice rex for filming and line timing, but then was dubbed over in post for the final voice.

[@SpringdayAutumnmoon]

People have asked Matt about this and he says that was a complete accident.

[@syra1541]

I always noticed that, recently I wondered if he was mumbling the lines so he'd know when rex's line was over and he could speak next

[@SpringdayAutumnmoon]

@@syra1541 Chances are, someone on the set just gave him visual cues to say his lines.

[@LegoBuilder3429]

I've never noticed him pretending to ventriloquize. Personally, I think it's better that it never looks like he's projecting his voice because when the show was airing, I always liked the idea that Robbie was his own living entity. I always hoped they would hint at that more in the show

[@demeterstidbits7146]

FUN FACT!! The little kid in the Kesha episode is KESHA’S LITTLE BROTHER. I only know this because I used to watch the reality show she had 😭

[@tast3th3rainboww]

She had a reality show?! And I never knew 😣

[@demeterstidbits7146]

@@tast3th3rainboww Yep it was called “My Crazy Beautiful Life” It was actually really entertaining

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

That is fun. Oh also Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong

[@vasquez2807]

@@dr.wolfstar1765 ???

[@KylieRowland]

@@dr.wolfstar1765 wtf not here yo

[@EdenNeedsAYoutubeHandle]

"Tori. I take it you know all about the greatest play ever written?" "Cats?" this left me reeling

[@ally9135]

I cried 😭😭 that shit was so out of left field but so funny

[@ZBott]

I just got to that part. Amazing.