Quran manuscript found in UK may be world's oldest

[@Toy_House1]

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). Quran(15:9)

[@rockyzrockyx917]

***** Godless Muslim, you were sent nothing. Muhammad was a Godless, evil, suicidal, demon possessed false Prophet. Islam is a Godless lie.

[@Toy_House1]

***** If We had sent unto thee a written (message) on parchment, so that they could touch it with their hands, the Unbelievers would have been sure to say: "This is nothing but obvious magic!" Quran(6:7) quran.com/6

[@rockyzrockyx917]

***** Godless Muslim, Islam is a Godless lie! The Christians and Jews have the final say here. They say that THEIR angel Gabriel never visited Muhammad in the Hira cave or anywhere else. The Christians and Jews also say that Muhammad was never one of THEIR Prophets of God. These are FACTS!! Muhammad was a complete FRAUD!! Islam is a Godless LIE! WAKE UP!!

[@Toy_House1]

how come you believe in jews who believe that jesus is a bastard, and how come you believe in Christians who believe that Jesus is a son of God, and you don't believe in Muhammad who believed Jesus was the Messiah, Allah's anointed messenger. "The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!" Quran(5:75)

[@rockyzrockyx917]

***** Godless Muslim, Jews deny Jesus as the Messiah. But Jesus was a Jew as well as a Rabbi. Christianity evolved out of Judaism. Christianity and Judaism are directly related. Muhammad was neither a Jew or a Christian. Muhammad was a Godless pagan. Godless Muhammad was never visited by the Christians and Jews angel Gabriel - Christians and Jews have been saying this for 1400 years. Godless Muhammad was never an Abrahamic Prophet of God - Christians and Jews have been saying that for 1400 years, too. Muhammad was a Godless FRAUD. Islam is a Godless LIE.

[@jalalghaz3263]

Am holding a copy of coran in my hand and paused at 1:48 and checked by my self. it is not only similar but it is 100% authentic word for word and it will continue to be so. now for those who know arabic they can read it on their computer screen, the difference people see it not with the actual scripture or words but rather the still of writing and in arabic there is many different ways of hand writing, but they are read the same way.

[@Base.]

Joe Ghaz Subhan'ALLAH!~

[@soloist9495]

What surah

[@scorpion20dz]

@@soloist9495 down the left page is Surat Ta-Ha ( Quran Chapter 20 ) Allahu Akbar

[@liongirl2578]

Joe Ghaz subhan Allah

[@sherifali3676]

Joe Ghaz there is no word in kuriani coruption the old and the present time kuriani is the same

[@samiraali3938]

Believe or not Quran is the right and am proud to Muslim and thanks to Allah made to be one of the Islam Alhamdulilah

[@ishrakfarhan]

@Dragon Fire there is no clear text on 72 virgins in Quran. So if u really want to through light on some topics, plz be sure u know it urself. Read Quran on the first place and then if u have any question or query, then argue with only the scholars. Thanks.

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@wendigo1881]

​@@ishrakfarhan hahahaha kittycat deleted his message

[@thehow2Collection]

WOW!! One of the Miracles of the Quran is the fact GOD promised that he will safeguard it from any changes or loses. That is why since GOD revealed the HOLY QURAN to the Prophet Muhammad it remains the exact same. Thank God for that.

[@omarfarique6304]

Road House Add (SAW) after mentioning the Prophet (pbuh)'s name

[@nationstates7699]

Yes and he gave it to the only people he could trust, the British

[@olie171]

@@omarfarique6304 Stop it alright? Just stop it!

[@omarfarique6304]

@@olie171 Stop what?

[@aramnadri8876]

@@olie171 Stop what? It is important to say so

[@hadjeraissaoui8267]

1:48 it is Surat al Kahaf I can read it without any obstacles hamdulillah 😍

[@dontreadmyname5351]

Alhamdulillah ❤

[@ShahulHameed-ii9sz]

Isn't it surah taha

[@ShahulHameed-ii9sz]

Pls reply

[@ShahulHameed-ii9sz]

@@dontreadmyname5351 isn't it surah taha

[@streakzzchannel4429]

yes its al kahf verses 23

[@tetozish]

this is definitely verses from surah "AL-KAHF" .. what a glorious book ! at 1:49 in the video the page on the right starts with this : ""وَلا تَقُولَنَّ لِشَيْءٍ إِنِّي فَاعِلٌ ذَلِكَ غَدًاإِلاَّ أَن يَشَاء اللَّهُ وَاذْكُر رَّبَّكَ إِذَا نَسِيتَ وَقُلْ عَسَى أَن يَهْدِيَنِ رَبِّي لِأَقْرَبَ مِنْ هَذَا رَشَدًاوَلَبِثُوا فِي كَهْفِهِمْ ثَلاثَ مِائَةٍ سِنِينَ وَازْدَادُوا تِسْعًاقُلِ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا لَبِثُوا لَهُ غَيْبُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ أَبْصِرْ بِهِ وَأَسْمِعْ مَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًاوَاتْلُ مَا أُوحِيَ إِلَيْكَ مِن كِتَابِ رَبِّكَ لا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَاتِهِ وَلَن تَجِدَ مِن دُونِهِ مُلْتَحَدًاوَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُم بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِيِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ وَلا تَعْدُ عَيْنَاكَ عَنْهُمْ تُرِيدُ زِينَةَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَلا تُطِعْ مَنْ أَغْفَلْنَا قَلْبَهُ عَن ذِكْرِنَا وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ وَكَانَ أَمْرُهُ فُرُطًاوَقُلِ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكُمْ فَمَن شَاء فَلْيُؤْمِن وَمَن شَاء فَلْيَكْفُرْ إِنَّا أَعْتَدْنَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ نَارًا أَحَاطَ بِهِمْ سُرَادِقُهَا وَإِن يَسْتَغِيثُوا يُغَاثُوا بِمَاء كَالْمُهْلِ يَشْوِي الْوُجُوهَ بِئْسَ الشَّرَابُ وَسَاءَتْ مُرْتَفَقًاإِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ إِنَّا لا نُضِيعُ أَجْرَ مَنْ أَحْسَنَ عَمَلاأُوْلَئِكَ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتُ عَدْنٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهِمُ الأَنْهَارُ يُحَلَّوْنَ فِيهَا مِنْ أَسَاوِرَ مِن ذَهَبٍ وَيَلْبَسُونَ ثِيَابًا خُضْرًا مِّن سُندُسٍ وَإِسْتَبْرَقٍ مُّتَّكِئِينَ فِيهَا عَلَى الأَرَائِكِ نِعْمَ الثَّوَابُ وَحَسُنَتْ مُرْتَفَقًا" ..... All praise is due to Allah.

[@sarahrosli4242]

tetozish you are very observant. I'm from Malaysia and a hafizah

[@ShahulHameed-ii9sz]

Isn't it surah Taha

[@streakzzchannel4429]

Hameed taha down left page

[@streakzzchannel4429]

sarah rosli duk mana?

[@zakariyemohammed582]

@@ShahulHameed-ii9sz its kahf

[@lukemannmann4418]

The same Quran that we all Muslim read now around the world...😍😍😍😍

[@blakeynimue3089]

Not a single letter changed

[@bandeano3870]

Not a single dot changed LOL

[@m3d2]

it is not only similar but it is 100% authentic word for word and it will continue to be so. now for those who know arabic they can read it on their computer screen, the difference people see it not with the actual scripture or words but rather the still of writing and in arabic there is many different ways of hand writing, but they are read the same way.

[@scorpion20dz]

i red it like i'm reading from my book. Surat Ta-Ha ( Quran chapter 20 ) i don't going to lie at first when i red it even without points i cried so much

[@Ramy35]

I love this version of the Holy Quran, it makes me feel the huge authenticity that the Holy Quran has, I was even able to read some phrases from the cave chapter.

[@nightmare-rn6wj]

This is a Big Miracle

[@abdullahibashir6543]

The British took it from Egypt during crusaders invasion in Egypt.

[@barackobama4904]

Can you give any evidence that it from Egypt? I know that the British Empire stole it.

[@abdullahibashir6543]

@@barackobama4904History Is evidence.

[@barackobama4904]

@@abdullahibashir6543 ok

[@Sultan-lv8sj]

I can read it sitting all the way in other side of the world! The Arabic writing system is a bit different but the lines and text haven't changed at all

[@022_mohdhamzah7]

One correction which is required here is that "it is from the time when Islam was born" rather it is from that time period when rules, regulations and all sort of guidelines of Islam was getting its final form.🙂

[@TayyabKhan-vu1nl]

It's pages are slightly disturbed but words of Qurran shows how precious they are

[@mrkiller1980]

simply amazing!! its well known that the holy quran was getting compiled while prophet mohammad (pbuh) was still around, and the writing is unchanged. lets hope someone finds more pages.

[@edwardtimothyashford8076]

Just because it is preserved it doesn't mean it is the truth.

[@mohamedabdelaal8306]

Just because you haven't read it doesn't make you decide wether it's the right faith or not...

[@edwardtimothyashford8076]

@@mohamedabdelaal8306 i have read it

[@mohamedabdelaal8306]

@@edwardtimothyashford8076 tell me what's false which lead you to believe it's not the truth?

[@johnzuma4688]

The quran has not even been preserved and I know because I have two very different versions of the quran at home.

[@Agent-fe5wz]

​@@johnzuma4688 source : trust me bro 😂

[@neheemkunnumel3617]

Mashah allah Mashah allah

[@liongirl2578]

Islam Is the only truth way of life for all mankind’s . Proud to be muslim Alhamdullilah 🥰😘❤️Allah is one ☝🏻 and prophet Muhammad is the final massenger and servant of Allah almighty 🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@akhan4559]

It should be protected and is the true word of God. ALLAH promised that he will keep The quran safe, he is proof.

[@scorpion20dz]

Quran is safe in both paper and inside people Hearts and mind now good luck to whoever try to corrupt it lol.

[@lokedavid4949]

Until Muslim gives us original manuscript given to Mohamed i.e from 712 we will not accept their narrative of original Qur'an

[@lSeKToRl]

Unlike the Bible the Quran was not written in a language that is currently dead. I hope the pages are put online and researchers can revalidate the authenticity of the most popular publications of the book.

[@sislertx]

Except this is written in prearabic script. .not arabic...and it's only two pages...and the ink was not tested....and it isn't exactly the same wording as the current koran. As in you won't like it.

[@mk-oe8yx]

Sislertx What do you mean by prearabic script? There isn't much of a difference in the script. The only difference is i'rab which was introduced in the Arabic script later on so that non-arabs can read Arabic without much difficulty. And I can clearly see surah Taha which is found in the current Quran. So I don't what you mean by the wordings are different.

[@zarabees2123]

It is YOU who has an issue here about the discovery of these fragments. People who are gutted about this discovery are trying to twist thing around to suit THEMSELVES.

[@Anonymous-cy4rl]

Ok

[@FunFantasticFacts]

***** Today's Duran is corrupt. old Duran is the origil

[@aminumuhammad4561]

A very important message from Sheikh Ayman Suwayd regarding recent finding of old Copy of The Quran in Birmingham University Assalamu Alaikum Wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh. Respected brothers and sisters; the news has spread that parts of a very old copy of The Quran has been found in Birmingham University. They are saying that through Carbon checks they have found that it goes back to the Prophetic period approximately and that its very old and its an amazing news. I want to just highlight the difference between the western academic studies method and our Islamic studies system. The western study process depends on oldness / age alone. They will suffice by saying it has been found that it returns to a certain period in time. Nothing besides this concerns them. As for us Muslims alhamudlillah - if for example a part of the Quran was found and the Carbon checks proved that it is very old and ages back to the Prophetic time; in our study curriculum to ascertain this we have two fundamental questions. The first question is who wrote it? Because we don't take our deen (religious studies) from nobodies nor do we take our deen from unknowns. Because it could be that the writer was uneducated or that he was an enemy or that the writer wrote it from his memory and the memory can forget. The second crucial question is; where did the writer write it from, ie where did he copy it from? Because The Quran isnt written from the head, rather it is written from a copy before it. We know that the first time the glorious Quran was written it was in front of the Prophet (peace be upon him) on what was available in that era. Thereafter during the time of Our leader Abu bakr As siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) when he summoned Hadrat Zayd Bin Thabit to compile the Quran and write it; He (Zayd bin Thabit) collected all of those pieces which were written in the presence of The prophet (peace be upon him) and copied them onto what became knows as the Bakriyyah As Siddiqiyyah Pamphlets. Later on During the time of Uthman Bin Affan (may Allah be pleased with him) when he wanted to make more copies of The Quran; again it was Zayd Bin Thabit who lead the project and Uthman said to Hafsa bint Umar (may Allah be pleased with her) send us the pamphlets so that we can copy them. Hence The Quran is copied from a copy before it and isn't written from memory. Therefore when a copy of the Quran reaches us like this truncated the way they found in Sana University or Birminghim University or any other place in the world; it doesnt shake us. I know that some orientalists have taken advantage of this to try and shake the beliefs of the Muslims in their holy book. They said a copy has been found which ages back to the first century etc and it is different from what the Muslims have today and this could review the status of the principles of Islam. None of what they said holds any value. Our system is based on who wrote and from where. This is how we verify. We ask who wrote it so that we can be sure that he was righteous, protecting of his deen and upheld its rules. We ask from where did he copy so that we can be certain that it was copied from a reliable copy and not from the top his head or from an unreliable copy. I wanted to draw your attention to this so that if the news reaches you on back of pamphlets or copies of Quran which are old and go back to prophetic times according to examinations: if it agrees and matches what we already have as the Quran then we say welcome. However if it differs from what we have then the realiable is the Quran we have. Again Alhamdulillah. All praises are due to the lord of all the worlds. Translated by Kazi Ashiqur Rahman. As received....

[@aminumuhammad4561]

+psychotronik13 if this comment actually came from a person whose KZbin name doesn't say psycho at the beginning, then it would matter, but I won't reply to such ignorance. Eyes that don't see, heart that doesn't feel, brain that doesn't think, ears that don't hear. Fix ur life b4 u comment, start by changing ur name so people can take u more serious.

[@aminumuhammad4561]

psychotronik13 I'm no judge to anyone, but from what you fancy, one can define you. That's not judgement it's definition. And your name defines what you fancy, what you desire. And an ant is far better from a human that has ears but don't hear, has eyes that don't see, has brain that doesn't think, has heart that doesn't feel. Ants and all other animals know about their Lord, their Creator. And you call our book a fairy tale, it shows how much of a person you are, you don't respect people or their beliefs or any other sort of respect. From your words I can define who you are, it's that simple. Also, if my book was actually fairy tale, why are you here commenting on a page that talks about it. Your body knows its Lord and fears the coming punishment, that's y your subconscious is trying hard to make you understand and you are not even aware of reality when death is coming for everyone sooner or later. But whatever the case, I have warned you of a great punishment because Allah is Severe in punishment. Oh you don't believe, but no matter what, you shall come to find out if I'm telling you the truth or not. At least you can't deny death.

[@aminumuhammad4561]

psychotronik13 u truly are living up to your name.

[@aminumuhammad4561]

psychotronik13 I think I have that already figured out. FYI, incase you are thinking that we Muslims speak to ants, you have your information wrong and you need to figure out ur self because what we believe is that Nabi (Prophet) Suleiman could speak to all animals and what we believe is that animals and all existence know their Lord, except the arrogant one's among man and jinn and their arrogance and ignorance is what will lead them to Jahannam (hell).

[@yamestaghulihi7041]

True

[@warsanawale4820]

Alhamdulilah this is show islam is true religion and the Quran is not like bile which has been made change for over long period of time . Allah say I will protect and did protect after so many centuries alhamduliakh

[@elizabethgeorge4708]

No it isn’t.

[@user-mf1ot8we2l]

Amazing! Actually dated to the time of the Prophet!

[@gdraper4249]

Say ﷺ wen saying prophet yara 🙄

[@benzourry87]

It is not a coincidence that I watch this video now, night of friday and read alkahf chapter shown in this video. MasyaAllah.

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@abdiawale5873]

ALHAMDULILAAH

[@littletengku804]

subhanallah, alhamdulillah, allahuakbar

[@1spiders1]

So how did the university acquire it? And where does it really belong ?

[@sharshev7329]

where r u from

[@ahmeddjama7576]

They either stole it or siphoned it

[@Green-ys3wo]

It was brought to the u.k by an Iraqi Priest in the 1920s apparently

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

They should analyze and determin the age of the ink also, since the DOTS seem to indicate that the text is younger than the leather it is written on.

[@strivingtoo7669]

And who told you they did not do that

[@johncearys7277]

Wow 100% same Quran. That's why Islam is the fastest grow religion.

[@manhart9649]

The Qur'an must come with a report line that is genuine

[@umai21]

Wonder what else historic document that uk has been keeping. ps: This is just a fragment, during uthman reign ( 19 years after Muhammad s.a.w. death ) ... this kind of fragment are collected and arrange into a completed book.

[@sultanofsomaliland9332]

It is an estimate from 560 to 650. The prophet died at 645

[@DonaldKeay]

Within 20 years That will mean that there were transcribed Quran prior to Uthman beginning his project of a complied written Quran.

[@abdulazim285]

Donald Keay Yes, there has been a written Quran from the time of the prophet Muhammad himself. Uthman relied in part on that collection (aka the Mushaf of hafsa) to produce the six copies he distributed to the regions under his rule at the time. He also relied for verification on the memorization of those who memorized the text.

[@rockyzrockyx917]

Abdul Azim Godless Muslim, it was Satan who assaulted false Prophet Muhammad three times in the Hira cave. It was Satan who false Prophet Muhammad saw in the chair in the sky. And it was Satan who put his words into false Prophet Muhammad's mouth in Surah 53 verses 19/20.

[@abdulazim285]

ليس على السفيه حرج Translation There is no blame on you as you are lame, deaf and blind فانها لا تعمى الابصار ولكن تعمى القلوب التي في الصدور It is not the lack of eye sight that causes blindness, rather it is the hearts that go blind.

[@abdulazim285]

Deaf, dumb and blind Have seen a copy of the Quran? I think I will be asking too much if I say 'have you read the Quran?'

[@rockyzrockyx917]

Abdul Azim Godless Muslim, the koran was copied from the Holy Bible by some of Godless, false Prophet Muhammad's Godless, violent followers. Muhammad was a Godless, false Prophet and Islam is a Godless lie.

[@edwardfranks5215]

The Uthman text of the Quran, the 'official' from 654 was written without vowels marks. It makes understanding 20% of the text almost impossible because of the possibility of variant readings. One just has to go with what seems most sensible and based on later commentaries. Someone did not edit very well. As for the claim that the text was never changed this proves nothing one way or another about its origins.

[@thepoorsultan5112]

I don’t know if this is not preservation than what is preservation

[@dawoodkhamkar2508]

Subhan Allah. The Quran is the only true and 100% authentic words directly revealed from Allah to messenger Muhammad (S.A.W) and for the whole universe.

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@nour3660]

Correction: islam wasn't born 1400 years ago, it has been always there since the time of adam

[@nour3660]

@Orion there wasn't saudia arabia in the 7th century.... You have your beliefs, and i have mine -quran 109:1

[@iR6s]

@Google Account so your saying all the incredible facts the Quran said about life is all random ?

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@shariffahatikah1725]

MashaAllah. Subhanallah.

[@3lmi]

For those who'd like to read the article.

[@lastprophet9904]

Nah nu naz'zal naz dhikra. wa nah'nu lahu laa hafizun.... (we have revealed the "recitation" and we will saveguard it. )

[@sirupate]

Birmingham Text Birmingham text is only two pieces of paper, front and back I only has 33 texts compared to the Hafs 6,236 versus (0.53% of the Quran), and the suras are somewhat incomplete and have textual variations, verse numbering problems Two Scholars on the Birmingham text; Efin Rezvan (Russian scholar), was asked to do a lecture on the text by Birmingham University in 2015; “Birmingham Fragments show several textual variants as well as verse numbering differences.” “The very early dating of all these fragments-before the reign of Uthman-casts doubt on *both the Islamic tradition” *refer to the next section “The fact the that the folios were kept for centuries in an iron box, underground can partly explain the early radiocarbon dating” “Parchment was an expensive material (the skin of an entire animal was used to produce the big folio). Monastic and state scriptoria, located on the territory of Greater Syria, Antiochia, al Hira and Alexandria areas, could store this valuable material (including the donations of the pious laity). These stocks became part of the loot captured by the Arabs in the first years of the conquest. Captured leaves were used for writing the Quran.” Conclusion; is that we cannot know when the writing took place as the carbon dating only gives a time line to the animal skin, not the writing, and the parchments were written on at a much later date. Emilio Platti; “pointing out differences to the Sana codex-unquestionably the oldest manuscript (705), which therefore means that this Birmingham fragment is subsequent to the oldest manuscript (Sana).” Dr. Jay Smith; the verses found on the Birmingham text pre-date Islam, examples and are plagiarised stories; Sura 18:17-31; = the 7 sleepers of Ephesus (Metaphrastes & Surag 521 A.D.) Sura 19: 91-98 = Proto Evangelium of James (145 A.D.) Sura 20: 1-40 = the story of Moses (1400 B.C.) None of the verses cover Mohammed, Medina, or Mecca, and there is nothing to do with the Caliphs.

[@kwakkwak5940]

How big is the chance a fanatic teacher is going to destroy this, because its not her religion ???

[@Base.]

kwak kwak doesn't matter. The Quran is a Quran; meaning we learn from it and memorize it and understand it but its not to keep as decoration or a souvenir. However, I must say it amazes me also.

[@kwakkwak5940]

SuperBase555 What i meant to say is, that this book is safe and there isn't some religious fanatic going to come and burn this manuscript because it's not in line with his thoughts and religion..

[@Base.]

kwak kwak Oh, agreed then :)

[@edwardfranks5215]

Every text has a history. When it is labeled Sacred and labeled the word of God, literally and everything is of equal importance, rather than God-inspired, the text becomes inviolable and the religion fossilizes into a kind of straight-jacket orthodoxy. Doctrine becomes dogma. Minds are shut down.

[@dissolver5388]

allahuakbar!.

[@meirfan1]

Dear Christians "Life can come without Father too, Did Hen come first or Egg, same for all Animals, who is Father of first animals each. "Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was." Quran 3:59

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@IBRACHE]

LA ILAHA ILLALAH

[@rashidulhasan6054]

I think it should return back to Turkey.

[@DC-wp6oj]

To ensure the preservation of an important text such that even if printed copies were lost then the text is still preserved. You dont know much about history, historical texts. Pls dont be so ignorant

[@Huckim1984]

Which Surah and verses? Anybody know?

[@giliraraabrahandmadecards4936]

Sura taha

[@tariqibnzayed3959]

Found in UK?🤔🤥

[@Ahmedhelps]

Where was it discovered prior to bringing it to the UK??

[@abdulazim285]

Ahmedhelps This copy was collected in the 1920's by an Iraqi Christian priest from Mosul. So, it was in Iraq, unless the priest brought it from some where else.

[@edwardfranks5215]

The oldest complete Quran dates from the 10th century. The text was finally settled by the publication of the King Fouad Royal Text in 1924 now the text most widely used.

[@OronixSandra]

insurancethat in these original scriptures, says that Jesus Christ is God above all things

[@DamiYusuph]

Interesting. Is it the same version as present ones or different?

[@Sweety-ut8zw]

Unchanged and same as God promised to preserve it.

[@edwardfranks5215]

Abdulahi Mohamed No it isn't. The text continued to be hanged for 100 years a little.

[@edwardfranks5215]

Sweety 7866 There's no proof that God did anything. It's only an assertion and a belief and not proof. In the Quran the medium of the revelations is a holy spirit and nowhere identified as angel Gabriel. There is no was to prove the source is the source claimed. And it is know Zayid changed some of the wording if he didn't like it.

[@Sweety-ut8zw]

No one's asking you to believe.. people like you who look for evidence over every little thing will fall in the deepest trap.. when the antichrist comes he will have the power to perform the biggest miracles ever by God's permission fellow atheists like yourself will follow him because of the powers he will show. You have your belief me mine all I can say is all this questioning is only going to get you down the dark pit.

[@kahraman4094]

Dami .Yusuph We can't yet be sure if it is the same or not as the discovery is quite recent. We can only rely on what is being said, and what is being said is that its close to the one we have atm... That does not mean exactly the same. İn the Quran it says that god would protect this book, yet we see that Allah couldn't protect it.

[@samranisar3919]

MASHAALLAH

[@bbm-sara1580]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [John 3:16] - New Testament the prophesy of Prophet Isaiah was fulfilled

[@believer1056]

Dude listen to yourself Gods son????? Come on

[@johnzuma4688]

@@believer1056 So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@z.b.527]

Wonder how they got the manuscripts 🤔🤔🤔

[@mikhailgorbachev7851]

I think a library

[@adrianfirmansyah15]

Stole from Iraq Priest after Ottoman lost war

[@Afghanultimatechallengers_auc]

Radiocarbon dating only tells you when the animal was killed, not when the script was written.

[@zizo9745]

Undoubtedly doesn’t change the fact that this was written a long time ago. Lol

[@TayyabKhan-vu1nl]

Quran can't be wrong as it is sum of real bibles and real scriptures sent before

[@harunyusuf7005]

inilah bukti bhw AL QURAAN ADLAH FIRMAN ALLAH TTP SM DGN AL QURAN SKRG D JG OLEH ALLAH

[@ahmednoman26]

Nah nu naz'zal naz dhikra. wa nah'nu lahu laa hafizun.... (we have revealed the "recitation" and we will saveguard it. ) ----------------- Quran's open challenge

[@KB-xh5wx]

Don’t find another in France.

[@sandersanderlove8258]

I have the world antiques holy quran.

[@johnzuma4688]

So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?

[@idontneednoname3304]

I just wonder how did the Qur'an probably written in Arabia end up here in the u.k who put it there why?

[@shahedali02]

True, I think the same, how did it make all the way here?

[@idontneednoname3304]

@@shahedali02 ikr

[@shahedali02]

Aurangzeb makes sense , tbf though these western countries will maintain it better than the Arabs

[@idontneednoname3304]

@Aurangzeb oh thanks for letting me know!

[@believer1056]

i think iraqi priest in 1920 gave it to them

[@Aquarius.]

those Cadbury Brothers, blue print and Karens get everywhere don't they?

[@mr.aymane7997]

Total hypocrits, they hate us and our relegion, but they have the book of ALLAH, and they say its special, if i hate someone and i found one of his oldest/rare books ill get rid of it and sell it or give it to someone.

[@elizabethgeorge4708]

Because it’s false.

[@mr.aymane7997]

@@elizabethgeorge4708 whats fault about it

[@sksaifuddin5367]

Mash Allah

[@tys6739]

somebody please make a comparison with modern quran for proving

[@shahedali02]

It really depends, because after the Battle of Yamamah 70 people who knew the Quran had been martyred, and then led the caliph at the time Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (RA) to start a compilation of the Quran , but it was to preserve the Quran and spelling wasn't taken into account at Zaid Ibn Thabit was the one who had to write it down, then during Uthaman's caliph the Quran of Abu Bakr's time was burnt (In Arabic tradition this is respectful) so people don't get confused, to have a united Quran so divisions aren't created. This Quran may be one of the surviving Quran's of Abu Bakr's caliph, or may be the Quran of Uthman's caliph as during Uthman's caliph it was standardized and spelling was taken into account. That's why a direct comparison would be difficult, it's like trying to compare Old English to Modern English, same with Arabic How this Quran survived despite being on Goat skin is a pure miracle, as it would have rotted like most of its time, as paper wasn't around at the time.

[@byteme9718]

@@shahedali02 There are many much older manuscripts including those that the Bible and Torah are based on, something like 20,000 that still exist. A comparison would need a decision as to which Quran to use.

[@shahedali02]

byteme9718 examples???

[@edwardfranks5215]

Religious people should be able to talk openly and impartially about their religions. As for which is right or wrong or better, nobody can prove. Leave it to God. If we don't the bullets start to fly, the heads come off, the people are forced to convert.

[@Green-ys3wo]

that's the problem though..Religious people all believe their religion is the correct one

[@615bla]

can we now settle the virgins/grapes issue?

[@abdulazim285]

bla ba You mean the 72 virgins with high bosoms mentioned in the Quran? Well, I hate to break it to you, there are no 72 virgins in the Quran. Please listen to Lesley Hazleton (a Jewish woman discussing the Quran) www.ted.com/talks/lesley_hazelton_on_reading_the_koran?language=en

[@Crazygirl-eu5dc]

That’s good news for us women but why dies al baqarah mention the hoors? I would be the happiest woman on earth if hoors was a lie

[@ShahulHameed-ii9sz]

@@Crazygirl-eu5dc why

[@sleeplessintokyo]

amazing。

[@3lmi]

www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021?SThisFB For those who'd like to read the article.

[@Hai-t9e]

Qur’an Said, believe in Jesus and worship him . ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَٰهًا وَٰحِدًا ۖ لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ Arab-Latin: Ittakhażū aḥbārahum wa ruhbānahum arbābam min dụnillāhi wal-masīḥabna maryam, wa mā umirū illā liya'budū ilāhaw wāḥidā, lā ilāha illā huw, sub-ḥānahụ 'ammā yusyrikụn

[@milkdaily3538]

Ridwan Tio but it didn't say worship him, because that idolatry

[@mudassirgulzar5030]

As messenger of God.

[@قآھړآلْطۈآغڀٿ]

Yes Jesus son of Maryam peace be upon him is the messenger of Allah

[@sharshev7329]

it said that his the prophet of allah not his son or god

[@Hai-t9e]

@@sharshev7329 ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَٰهًا وَٰحِدًا ۖ لَّآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ Arab-Latin: Ittakhażū aḥbārahum wa ruhbānahum arbābam min dụnillāhi wal-masīḥabna maryam, wa mā umirū illā liya'budū ilāhaw wāḥidā, lā ilāha illā huw, sub-ḥānahụ 'ammā yusyrikụn

[@edwardfranks5215]

In the Quran is it written that God has given a book with everything you need. So why Hadiths? they had to be reduced from 60,000 to 3,000. In Quran penalty for blasphemy is don't eat with that person - now there are over 40 reasons for blasphemy, like gambling, helping to build a church; not death; apostasy, chastise, not death. Some caliph doesn't like someone so he says the other guy commits blasphemy. Women did not wear scarves in Arabia 1400 years ago. The instruction to dress modestly and cover the head is to prove that one does not have to work and oyu are like the aristocratic Byzantine and Persian ladies. Sorry, religious texts don't fall from the sky..they are compiled. As for the many book of the Jews written over 1000 years -that's there history and formation as a people of God over time. By the way, early Muslims did believe their holy book was perfect or uncreated...that comes as a religion solidifies and forms an identity and in the case of Islam its rejection as a development of the two older religions.

[@Sweety-ut8zw]

Quran is the first point of reference for all Muslims. He hadith and sunnah are their to help guide Muslims. If any hadith or sunnah contradict the teachings of the Qur'an then we obviously go by the saying of God in the Qur'an.

[@edwardfranks5215]

Sweety 7866 In Quran it is stated you have all you need there. No need for Hadiths said the Prophet. Contradiction which few Muslims ever want to talk about.

[@strivingtoo7669]

@@edwardfranks5215 and the quran itself says obey the almighty allah and his messenger. How can we obey the messenger without Hadith, so indeed the Quran covers everything as a group of verses order us to follow the messenger

[@edwardfranks5215]

No matter what anyone says nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of God so why all the nasty words about claims to this or that?

[@strivingtoo7669]

You have to know that this life is just a test to know whether you want to worship the almighty allah or not. In quran, the allah almighty says: And surely We shall try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives and crops; but give glad tidings to the steadfast, - 2:155 Or think ye that ye will enter Paradise while yet there hath not come unto you the like of (that which came to) those who passed away before you? Affliction and adversity befell them, they were shaken as with earthquake, till the messenger (of Allah) and those who believed along with him said: When cometh Allah's help? Now surely Allah's help is nigh. - 2:214 Or deemed ye that ye would enter Paradise while yet Allah knoweth not those of you who really strive, nor knoweth those (of you) who are steadfast? - 3:142 Lo! We have placed all that is in the earth as an ornament thereof that we may try them: which of them is best in conduct-18:7 Who hath created life and death that He may try you, which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, Forgiving, - 67:2 The almighty Allah creates signs that indicate his existence. The Muslim, the believer, aknowledges these signs and relates them to his creator and starts worshipping him, which is, mainly overcoming the natural instincts and difficulties and insisting on worshipping him for better or worse. The disbeliever on the other hand finds an explanation that pleases him and do whatever he likes to free him or herselfself from divine instructions. This means a conclusive evidence of the existence of the creator and god will be witnessed when you die or on the day of the resurection. The almighty Allah says in Quran: "Do they [then] wait for anything except that the angels should come to them or your Lord should come or that there come some of the signs of your Lord? The Day that some of the signs of your Lord will come no soul will benefit from its faith as long as it had not believed before or had earned through its faith some good. Say, Wait. Indeed, we [also] are waiting." (QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 158)

[@edwardfranks5215]

The Quran was assembled from people memories and parts written on various media. There is no guarantee that parts weren't left out. Indeed the Shi'a accuse the Sunni of leaving out two Suras.We know that one of the poems of the Quran when Mohammed was alive had more than 150 verses and now has 54. More importantly no religion can prove its book comes from God. It's belief. No religion is above criticism. No religion is perfect. All is subject og God's judgment.

[@zakariahanaffi9641]

This argument has been refuted soo many times from Muslims that it's almost tiring ...the Quran is a living document that was used by not only the companions but the common people for the daily ritual of the five daily prayerS...it has been read day and night from its onset from pure memory and that very tradition is upheld today. The writing was and compilation was really the cherry ontop

[@strivingtoo7669]

This guy is spreading lies.... He has a lot of comments in this particular video

[@shaaaah6875]

Mashallah

[@humairahasan8853]

This fragment is writen in mohammeds hand writing.

[@lestranje]

humaira hasan its not his handwriting.

[@eklautasaquib]

sniperxsakib he was not an illeterate u moron..

[@eklautasaquib]

sniperxsakib watch videos on this topic.. there are many differences of opinion..

[@eklautasaquib]

sniperxsakib you deserve this.. you are following the mullas blindly

[@ahlamboham425]

Muhammed (saw) was illeterate..? He said so himself in the cave when Gibriel first came to him. He couldn't read nor could he write.

[@mm-qu3ht]

What about Bible tho?😦😦😦

[@edwardfranks5215]

Muslims love to tell Christians that when it comes to God and Jesus they got all wrong, but anyone dares to ask them to look into the origins of their religion and examine its claims to Truth they become defensive, then go aggressive...geez what are they afraid of? It's from them to criticize but anybody ask them to validate their assertions they go ballistic. I have met some who have an open mind and others who just decided to exit.

[@strivingtoo7669]

You are more than welcome to ask us about anything about our Religion and we are happy to answer you, but stop making unfounded allegations

[@believer1056]

Come and read the Quran right now I have no problem with that I’m more than happy to give you a Quran to read

[@afshananwar9444]

Mashaallah

[@edwardfranks5215]

After the death of the Prophet and all his companions who had memorized it, it was decided to try to assemble as much as could be found written here and there on various media and talk to people who had memorized parts of it. Mohammed's personal scribe was given the task of producing a written version. The question is how much of what is in it represents all of it at the time of Mohammed's death in 632 and how close is the written version to original lost. It's hard reading because of the editing and arrangement of the material.

[@strivingtoo7669]

It is easy to make claims without evidence

[@aguspmthamrin9905]

Subhaana Llaah

[@readsXs]

It seems to be that we have been fooled by God.

[@believer1056]

How??

[@alibadrasowe8227]

It was stolen.

[@sicknews5280]

what we need to know is whether it still contains the violent verses that ISIS are making most of these days. Lets have it translated in to English by an independent ancient Arabic translator.

[@kifsumsudin982]

Sick News what do you mean by " it is still contain ?" See you guys never read the quran yet make accusations of it.

[@strivingtoo7669]

Show us these verses, or it is easy to spread lies to convince yourself that you are right. This shows that you have nothing to condmen our religion. Just lies and faulse allegation out of spite and hate

[@believer1056]

@@kifsumsudin982 true

[@algamar6968]

Allah Bro...??*^? Study and then Examine the History brother.. Allah is a moon gods of Arab quraisy !! (husband of Alata, father of 2 girls Manat and Aluza) in between 360 of quraisy gods in kabbah. Thats why 'allah' is allahuakbar (the greatest). Because allah is a father and choosen one as islam god ( following Jews and Christians do). Bro, the quran contents of the bible stories and mohammad stories. All the good things are from Bible and all the obnoxious things ( characters, behaviours, acts, orders and teachings) of Mohammad lifes. I'm already back belong to Jesus..HE pardon me..HE toke by Himself my burden in hell. So now brother.. I'm already belong to Jesus the Heaven owner and your coming decision maker either keep going to hell or change you to heaven . Brother, have mohammad forgave you from your sins ? ..and saved you from hell burden? ..May be the moon gods will do it for you? ..so bro, compare first mohamnad obnoxious acts behaviours orders and teachings of full sins and the biblical prophet camouflage..with Jesus /Isa loves. I'm happy and always praise God always because God loves me. Again bro.. be careful with Gods and Jinnys of islam; they drags you to their deeper hugs in hell lead by satan.

[@painkeller20]

what are you saying ? Allah sampley mean the God. it come from from the word Elah that is same with the Hebrew word Elohim and the Islamic concept of God already explain in the quran in chapter 112 . and he is not a moon god . even the jewish people acknowledge us that we worship with the same God as them .

[@golammorshed7260]

Allah is Arabic means God. So, in a way, your God can also be called Allah.

[@believer1056]

Literally Allah has claimed so so so many times he is ONE GOD THAT NOTHING IS LIKE HIM JUST TELL ME RIGHT NOW WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE MOON FROM BRO WHERE WHERE!?!?!

[@elizabethgeorge4708]

Two pages only.

[@andrewturner8491]

Jesus saves

[@KingofKings11312]

Bible was still made before it. Muslim admit it so Jesus is the son of god ❤️🙏✝️

[@sikanderahmed7473]

no

[@iR6s]

im sure you didnt even read your bible

[@iR6s]

Gospel of john Chapter 5 Verse 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgement is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. so who is Jesus referring to here ?

[@believer1056]

so jesus is the son of god but also god at the same time That’s like saying on the son of my father but I’m the father at the same time

[@edwardfranks5215]

Why memorize something you can't understand? change the vowel marks and 70 virgins becomes 70 white grapes Why are Muslims fixated on the unchanged text. Surely more important is the overall Big Picture. The way they think is one proof that it isn't and the whole thing falls apart? There is a fragment of a Hadith in the Quran. So is the fragment form the Quran to the Hadith and back or what?

[@golammorshed7260]

How many comments will you write can't you just compile it

[@believer1056]

Where show me where “70 virgins” to “70 white grapes”

[@amirulislammoulovi14]

❤️❤️❤️

[@edwardfranks5215]

A Saudi scholar of the Quran points out that there are vowel and diacritical marks. The text is older -- 750-800 A.D. The compilers of the Quran in the 7th century were not very good at stitching the text together..one reads something and suddenly the subject changes. The Quran is filled with bad grammar and contradictions. One moment God speaks I and then You and then He. The Muslims says Christians changed the books and then tells Muslims to consult the books of the JEWS and CHRISTIANS IN THERI POSSESSION if they want to know something. Prophet Mohammed's first teachers were heretical Christians, Waraqah ibn Nawfal and Bahira and 3 of his 4 companions the Hanafi. The text of the Quran was still being edited in the 8th century. Those who read Classical Arabic well say about 20% of the Quran is basically unintelligible hence the huge numbers of commentaries to try to figure what it means. the big picture is this: there is one God, Jesus is a human messiah. The closest sect at the time were the Ebionites and his cousin Waraqah was a priest of this church and perhaps of Mecca. Go figure. The Christian element lessens in favor of Judaism. Islam, originally know as the Way (=Hebrew name for bible) not submission, on the spectrum is a Gnostic Jewish Messianic sect. Lastly nobody can prove that anything their reliigons says can be proven but they confuse belief with fact. Muslims go ballistic over textual examination that casts doubt on its claims -- how insecure of them.

[@blackraven0109]

UK manuscript is dated from 560AD to 670 AD. But Muhammad got revelation from 610 AD . Proving the manuscript predates Muhammad. That means there could be other Muhammad not necessarily the prophet of Islam.

[@strivingtoo7669]

Show us the evidence please of what you are saying

[@selectmychoice]

the evidence in your assertion is the operative word "from"

[@golammorshed7260]

610 lies between 560 AD to 670 AD

[@sammisamim6353]

😭😭😭

[@edwardfranks5215]

Many religious people can't understand something: just because you assert something doesn't automatically make true, factual and proven. The text or holy books make the same claims, but these are not proof, but self-validation of a belief. Belief is not the same as proof. Still people argue for the truth of something which cannot be proved. They never stop. "it's true because I or so-and-so says." This one never get 2 seconds in a court of law or scientific lab.

[@believer1056]

Why is it that Bible is a whole book of contradictions and has been corrupted But oh noo the Quran by just some “random” miracle according to you hasn’t been changed No Allah (S.W.T) promised to protect and he did so stop talking

[@saidrooble5076]

Re

[@commanderofkesariyaknights]

Its older than time of Muhammad u foools

[@916true9]

Bo Ni fool

[@believer1056]

no it isn’t

[@VinylSamuraisMusic]

Pre dates the prophet. Ha ha well that's just funny. Laughing.

[@angelicanuss1353]

All the earliest Qurans are different and incomplete. The Birmingham fragments predate the birth of Mohammad and demonstrate there was Quranic material shaped and altered by later forgers.

[@selectmychoice]

prophet muhammed was born circa 570ad. this quran is carbon dated at 645, after his death

[@byteme9718]

@@selectmychoice Not true, who told you that lie?