R-24T vs R-24R: Which Missile is Best for the MiG-23ML?

[@toomanysecretsTV]

MIG-23ML vs 2024 in War Thunder: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inLNiqirbtyJfpo

[@guyguy7757]

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[@cookiewookie1446]

r24R is just more consistent to get kills with, you can make the r24T work but it needs to be set up

[@Lennyyyyyyyyyyyy]

R-24R is obviously the better choice for experienced players. But especially with the poor radar of the MiG-23, it might be a good decision to start off with the R-24T as a beginner and slowly get used to the radar locking mechanics first.

[@Proxy6000]

when i got the migMLA i used r24t and used to dominate but now that i got to top tier in germany and almost usa, i find r24r more reliable because players can just flare my missiles

[@sooryan_1018]

If you're planning to grind on sim, its best to bring a combo of both R-24T and 24R. The 24T with IRST lock is perfect for stealthy attacks as the enemy isn't even aware you're locked on. Also since SIM has very limited view thanks to lack of 3rd person camera, IR missile attacks are more viable And the R-24R in case the enemy becomes aware and starts popping flares, so launch an R-24R to finish him off Best launched ≥10km range so the missile wont run out of energy Remember, only use R-24T when attacking from below or behind, else if you fire one frontally, the enemy can still see your missile trail and flare it out. So best use R-24R for frontal attacks even in sim.

[@Prowamfordihno]

The premium version can't use both T AND R unless I'm mistaken and they changed it

[@sooryan_1018]

@@Prowamfordihno ohh. Idk about that. I use the MiG-23MLD in the tech tree. So... Yeah

[@Prowamfordihno]

@@sooryan_1018 fair

[@jobe_seed6674]

Thanks I’ll try to use this next time in sim

[@Inversyve]

@Prowamfordihnocan use both now

[@Vordstar]

tip for the R-24R if your radar gets fooled by chaff, do not unlock, the missile with use IOG to find the target

[@f4mmer540]

it's more so that the missile is still seeing the PD shift of the plane instead of guiding with IOG

[@Registered_Simp]

I've found the R-24R's to be surprisingly good in BVR if you have allot of speed on you due to its good Ballistic Coefficient (2561.6 kg/m^2. It glides better than the R-27R or Aim-7F/M). If I'm moving at around Mach 1.4 at 8,000m, I can even squeeze ~20km out of the R-24R. Though yes, sub-10 is preferred. The range performance is partly due to folks just not expecting an R-24 to be dangerous at ranges you'd usually use an Aim-7F/M.

[@anton_melnikov]

yeah except unfortunately you wont get at 8km because of the f14

[@Registered_Simp]

@@anton_melnikov Normally, yes. Though there are plenty of cases where, depending on altitude, they aren't exactly looking at you. They're looking at everyone on the deck to ripple-fire all their Aim-54's at, and completely miss the hypersonic cruise missile screaming towards them just under cons. Very funny when it happens. And even if I see a Phoenix is coming for me early, I usually have the speed to run away from it, or I can notch it. They're annoying, but not a total denial.

[@anton_melnikov]

@@Registered_Simp sounds interesting. I will try your strategy Thanks!

[@Registered_Simp]

@@anton_melnikov A way you can sometimes get around the Phoenix swarm is to stare at the trails as they loft. Often, F-14 spammers will not guide all their missiles on these long-shots. They simply leave the missiles on inertial guidance. Move at a very slight off-set to the expected direction of the hoard and watch for launches. After you spot a launch, wait a tad for more to come off. Then, reverse your direction of travel, still moving towards them. If the missile starts curving towards you, defend. If not, just keep pressing. It will take some time to get the timing down, but this strat works wonders more often than it really should.

[@thibautsaye6391]

​​@@Registered_Simp ive been killed only 6 time in several year by f1kour and aim 54 , they are easy to dodge. Just go low and notch btw it will help ya for top tier same strategy for aim120 and its friends

[@prophet1o158]

I used the r24r for a long time but the fact is that a lock is very difficult to get with the wonky radar and that fumbiling about lost me many enngagements where the enemy can lock me with a lot less hassle. The r24Ts are less effective but its a playstyle choice and work for me more since you dont place yourself more in a dangerous situation having to guide the missle in and also hoping that it would hit.

[@Fatdog223]

If your radar wont lock you can switch to irst and back to radar. this helps a lot with the subpar radar

[@Surmiauw1209]

really helpfull, thanks!

[@teilzeitteemo6190]

Quite a few RWR systems at the ML's BR can't detect your radar lock and launch. So it's more stealth than one might think.

[@user-cs3qh1uv5y]

F4 used to be the case so I used to get a lot of F4S and J kills

[@M1A2C.]

J-Band radar go brrrrr

[@skyhager5953]

I have never bothered to use the 24Ts, I've always loved the Rs. They give me consistently great performance in sim.

[@mit4c]

i always had problem with the 24r it would not let me shoot it off the rail :))

[@ricolives1166]

Thank you very much

[@sachgaming4509]

Can you make a video about which jet radars can't detect the missile launch of Mig-23ML's R24-R launch ?

[@Max-prime1212]

I find that if u want to go head on the R is better. But if u want to fly high and dive on ppl then the T is the best. It really depends if the enemy is brainless and doesn't know how to notch a fox 1 or not. I've found if u fire the R at or outside of 4km it's pretty easy to notch. For good players atleast.

[@detonater7441]

Copied from a comment I left in response to someone’s comment: ​​⁠personally I wouldn’t recommend using the radar missiles as they are very poor (along with the Mig 23’s radar itself being bad) and you have to have to sacrifice your good IR missiles to use them which isn’t worth it. Granted on foggy maps you can struggle using all IR but otherwise you’re fine. An effective tactic is to either fly fast at altitude (can reach 1000kts) using IRST as to not alert enemies, this way you can get close way before they expect you and fire off your IR missiles from above with no warning, this often nets me 2-3 kills at the start of a game (make sure to dive to an altitude where you don’t have a contrail as you get close while controlling thrust to avoid ripping your wings off and keep wing sweep at 100%).If you aren’t a confident pilot yet you can delay your entry (stay far behind teammates, radar off) and let furballs form and then halfway through the game when you arrive just start blasting off IR missiles when enemies are distracted - do note that you’ll have to be aware of when enemies might accidentally flare you missiles while trying to defend someone else’s. So if there is a teammate behind them or if they are coming into a headon engagement with a plane that will typically carry all aspect IR such as Mig 23 or a mirage then you might want to wait until they are clear of this before firing as your missile could be defeated. If the enemy is aware of your position I recommend deceiving them with your radar. Radar lock them and when you get to within 2-3Km fire an IR missile at them. Good luck!

[@Delta_GlowV]

You have my thanks from the German tech tree

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

German top tier is cooked

[@Delta_GlowV]

@@most_sane_piano_enthusiast that username is top tier

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

​@@most_sane_piano_enthusiastFor now. We might get the swiss f 18 in december.

[@黎明の刺客]

1~0.6KM emission R60M is effective and deadly

[@brandonbao7097]

IMO all FOX1s suck @ss to use except for IRCCM missiles, and even then they are still less versatile than a decent radar and FOX2s. FOX2s can get kills often regardless whether they are aware or not, whereas a single literal flare is enough to counter all non-IRCCM missiles.

[@Stardust_the_F-104C]

Yall have no clue how flair resistant the R-24T gets lmao. 24R is good, yes. But R-24T literally begins to ignore flairs, doesn't matter what aspect. Source is personal experience with R-24Ts. I've seen then ignore flairs when they get 3KM of a target. If you wanna replicate this do fire on a pre-flairing target. Get 3KM with in a non-flairing target and you will have it begin to ignore flairs after launch

[@محمد__-0]

R24R is the best , no need to do a vudeo

[@DrClef_1]

both are absolute dogsh$t but R version would be better

[@sooryan_1018]

@@DrClef_1 calling the R-24s bad is just bait

[@DrClef_1]

@@sooryan_1018 bait? Lmao have you actually tried using it

[@RienRocks]

Two free kills every game for me… definitely don’t know what you’re talking About. You might be having a skill issue on your part if you’re not able to make them work.

[@DrClef_1]

@RienRocks no, R24s are extremely easy to defeat. And considering you are facing Sparrows all the time that are head above you that doesn't help either

[@sooryan_1018]

@@DrClef_1 have I tried? I'm an MLD user. I love getting stealth shootdowns in sim especially, with R-24T and IRST. You just have a MASSIVE skill issue