R.I.P MiG-23(all variants) feat. MiG-23MLA

[@v3es473]

Flight model is like, manageable but the fucking auto radar switch is the dumbest shit ive experienced in a while

[@sharcc2511]

Guess what! They're nerfing the flight model. Again. Fucking, why.

[@contemptordreadnought]

​@@sharcc2511But why? What did mig 23 do to deserve this fate?

[@Sandy-bu3ws]

This is exactly what I’ve experienced last night. Radar goes crazy couldnt lock as intented

[@v3es473]

@@sharcc2511 i mean irl the mig-23 was known for not being too agile BUT it did keep it's speed like crazy. In game gaijin nerfed its turn to historical value, which would be fine but ALSO decided to ahistorically nerf it's energy retention

[@mushokueien8148]

Well, this is how it works in real life.

[@logicmaster756]

Visible and internal pain

[@chom6332]

By destroying the mechanics of manually changing radar modes, all MIG-23 variants can no longer engage in radar combat. I can only believe that one day it will come back. Rest in peace Migs 🕯

[@60Seconds_60]

It takes skill to make a plane like this, the whole point of which is speed. Congratulations gajin congratulations to you damn fedaral

[@Dendrofile456]

507 Battles, 685 kills, 3m sl and 212k exp. Goodbye old friend I will remember you strong

[@temka6752]

Goodbye, sweet Flogger. Thank you for help in grind Su-27 and MiG-29...

[@stanvandenadort4710]

idk what people expected, this plane is known to be somewhat similar IRL in FM as the F-4's, and as it should be the extra 30/40% maneuverability and infinite sustained AOA it has has been nerfed and it is finally in the state it is supposed to be, only thing that sucks about this is that they didnt nerf the mig-23 sooner lol.

[@Sundorwave]

The MLD should have been nerfed 3 years ago but ofc it's now. It's level of being OP led directly to us getting stuff like the awful F-14A meta and where we are now. At least this time more than one nation is worth playing so there is that.

[@rodrigoalexismendezcampos6499]

Funnily enough, I just got the MLD yesterday, and was confuse about what was the nerf about, because of me unintentionally avoiding everything related to it I just assumed it was really fast but not as manuvrable - like you're saying -, like a soviet Starfighter on steroids. So yeah, I just have to suffer with R-13 against F-14s :/

[@oranmcdougall2650]

​@@rodrigoalexismendezcampos6499 R 13's are actually pretty good at top tier.

[@torgeirlundbekk7749]

Yall know the mig-23/27,s are underperforming right (also mig-23 having simelar flight performance to a f-4 is BS, i know you Watched the little documentary on YT about MiG-23 in American service they had early variants, and you guys dont think there is ANY propaganda in *it turns like a brick*) so yeah. And the guy that got them nerfed has been found to fake/twist information about aircraft, and his motivation has been found to be ,he hates x aircraft or he just wants to ruin people,s fav aircraft, s

[@Professor_Ramen]

Ive been grinding with the mig 23 ml for 4 years, i unlocked the whole tech tree with it, it served me well

[@atahankoylu4549]

My main reason to start grinding USSR air tech tree was this plane and it got nerfed before even i can reach it...

[@jamaga1337]

This video was not getting out of my recommended for 10 hours straight, algorithm really wants me to watch it damn

[@Maggieismydog]

Surely there is a law somewhere that makes it illegal for Gaijin to sell a product and then change the product to perform less effectively???? It’s so wrong what they do to the gamer base.

[@amc2167]

Gaijin casually murdering every russian top tier because "ooooo too op missiles have to turn it into a cow"

[@kingghidorah8106]

Yeah because everyone else except Russia shall not have competent radar or ir missiles and should play as a dogfighter

[@sharcc2511]

@@kingghidorah8106 ..? Nato currently has the best radar missiles in the game (R77 is, among the worst, MICA-EM is likely best with aim120 close contender), combined with better avionics, better IR missiles (r73s can pull nasty aoa but the reach and flare resistance of the 9M is better, which imo makes them more versatile), better guns, and objectively better flight models. Oh, and more counter measures, for insult to injury

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@sharcc2511 Because f-4e always was definitely better than the mig23 mld in every aspects (performance and weaponry) and the r27er was so much worse than the sparrow, right? right.

[@sultan4d169]

@@kingghidorah8106 bro no one plays on F-4E 🙄

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@sultan4d169 because the mig23 ml family has been the scourge of the entirety of 10.3-12.0 lmao

[@piotrgajewski8123]

Let's be honest, as long as you can swing r-60s point blank in a head-on it's gonna be fun as fuck. But they could have spared it from this fucking auto radar switch.

[@Sandy-bu3ws]

Auto radar switch is terrible, never use R4R again after the update. And preferable to use R4T

[@FoxRedBlack]

Press F, Mig-23... I will remember only funny things about you(

[@WTclips001]

6:17 You had lock at that moment, just shoot it, good vid btw

[@Idk-cz9ms]

God bless I remember flying the 23 ml on my buddies account to grind for himand being confused how it loses less speed turning than a f16

[@AlphaJulietBravo1]

I'm more annoyed by the radar than the flight model

[@just_a_username8979]

Fun, mid stock grind and they change the flight model.....DAMNIT

[@atahankoylu4549]

same bro :(

[@Joeybeans-k7o]

i hated fighting this plane but you had to admire it rest in piece

[@Янус_Ырт]

I hope they revert auto switch. I mean, I don't need this plane anymore since I have (almost) entire tree researched and spaded, but player it after update out of curiosity and it's inconvenient. Don't get me wrong, it is still strong, got several good games that evening, but radar is annoying to deal with. MTI engagement is possible if you position yourself carefully, but you need to do some maneuvers instead of pressing a button.

[@ThePopsCast]

This is so sad rip the MiG-23 enjoyers

[@EROX9]

1 day after i buy MiG-23MLD

[@iiii9763]

how is it going? can you grind?

[@BlackWolf9988]

​@@iiii9763 its doable but the main problem with the plane currently just gets destroyed by the iranian f14 because of the uptiers (so do many other planes). Its still good as long as you dont face uptiers which there is a lot currently.

[@warspitebstwaifu6453]

As for comparison the Su17 will out rate every Mig23 in the game (lol)

[@kiranplays2688]

the fact that people pay $70 for these digital in game assets because they are sold with certain features but after you buy the developer removes those features. this should not be allowed. either the player base should be compensated or this should not be allowed

[@deepangel1649]

Bruh, it's just snails, they don't give a fuck about it, "money first of all" that how they doin

[@Garugontheblue]

So the lesson is dont buy pixels. lol

[@jedinight235]

They nerfed it way to hard and it should get buffed again, but I'm glad it did get nerfed. This thing over preformed so much.

[@user45g-4c5rf]

Sad but he wasn't realistic before... A Mig 23 has never had flight performance like this and especially in dogfight. You have to know what you want and WT is meant to be a minimum realistic.

[@Komrade_Yanouchka]

what i want to know is why the change of the radar scan modes (look down and 60 x 8-12 have been removed) is not on the patch note.

[@amobus_3000]

after update i couldnt even win a dogfight on mig-23mld with fat cow f4

[@ercanyesiltas]

yesterday i couldnt even beat an f4 in a doghfight for at least 30 seconds in an MLA. poor migs

[@fagalon9152]

I'm sorry but that is just skill issue

[@ercanyesiltas]

@@fagalon9152 when you are used to the old mig. you just dont care about an f4 enough

[@fagalon9152]

@@ercanyesiltas What you just said there proves to me that the old pre-nerf mig didnt require the slightest bit of skill to fly and get results with

[@ercanyesiltas]

@@fagalon9152 AGAINST A LITERAL FLYING BRICK

[@baltho5]

lmao i unlocked this yesterday and was wondering why it was not as advertised on youtube

[@ИванМатвеев-й2р]

they broke the mig23ml by cutting its performance characteristics, taking it from some operating book, only this book was for the mig23ub, because it had the r27f2m-300 engine, but 23ml had r35-300. Speed drops to 500 on turn, literally unplayable AND historically innacurate

[@volck1732]

It's strange to say this but I miss the old mig23😞

[@sharcc2511]

Russian bias or something idk, also the 11.0-12.0 range is absolute torment now because of pheonixes with (basically) no multipathing

[@muhammadhabibullah618]

Well yall having much buff before that Gaijin decide to "Let's set these relics to its 'original' performance state historically accurate" Well OOF?

[@mantusl]

bro it got nerfed right before i bought it 😭😭😭😭😭

[@toast8855]

Womp womp

[@RealNotallGaming]

the real question is: WHERE IS MIG-25 !!!

[@Jazzyo7]

Probably never because it'd be horrible in War Thunder. If it does it'll come as a niche aircraft that'll be too high of a BR for it's own good but can't go lower without stomping, especially with how current game modes are. In War Thunder's current state I'd rather not see it right now, because if it was to release it'd be a letdown and everyone would forget it. Rather they release it when they actually fix the Air game modes.

[@RealNotallGaming]

@@Jazzyo7 you mean huge maps 3 hours matches No hud in realistic nor third person Tier cap and br based on production years, max br +/-0.4 and MM based on vehicle raw K/D ? Yeah when? 🤣🤷

[@viperz3r016]

Good luck with the 25s radar not having look down capability

[@Jazzyo7]

@@RealNotallGaming Long response btw, probably won't read it but thought I'd type it up anyway o7 For the first 3 that's basically sim, I'm talking air RB (AB too technically) as that's where most of the playerbase is. The changes to air RB need to include more things to actually do if they wanna stick to their weird 12v12 or 16v16 matches (especially at top tier with Fox3 spamraams) and not accommodate 8v8 besides an "optional" feature that I STILL haven't even seen a match of yet even days after the patch. Tiers and BR based on production years is a really bad idea, it'd just lead to things like earlier Shermans fighting the Tiger 2. Or for air if you want things like the Japanese F-1 (flareless with only the Aim-9P) to fight F-16A's with the Aim-9L which both planes were introduced in the same year, 1978. Max BR of a 1 or 2 step difference (by steps I mean for example 9.0-9.3 being 1 step, 9.0-9.7 being 2 step) I don't think would be too bad, but the problem with 1.0 difference is really just an issue due to Gaijin not wanting to decompress things and putting vehicles in certain BR's based on stats. MM based on your KD would be a horrible idea and doesn't even make sense for WT. If you play your vehicle safe it doesn't make you a good player, it just means you don't die much, it isn't CoD where you can drop a 50 bomb without dying once and drop a nuke because your aim and movement is nuts, people just know where to aim, and getting killed by people who know how to aim was actually somewhat useful to me when I was a growing player.

[@Jazzyo7]

@@viperz3r016 I believe most variants didn't even have a gun and just had 2 R-40 Radar missiles and 2 R-40T IR missiles with the option of standard R60's too.

[@WyattChilson]

0:28 SOOOOOOOOOOOO They had Real documentation on the Aircraft flight performance YETTTTT When they released it they made it OP AF and gave it a Broken cracked flight model just to make sure USSR had the better Aircraft of the update so yes This does prove russian Bias does exist in warthunder All aircraft that has accurate flight data has always been used for warthunder and if they didnt have flight data they would make up flight data and try to make it balanced as much as possible YET now we see that they had Realistic flight data all this time and didnt use it for the game They did that to make damn sure the Mig-23's were OP when they came out and they were they were the king of the sky even when the F14 got added they still were extremely competitive nothing could really out compete it but the F14 has the best chance at it now what was really surprising is the fact they made the Aim-120A better than the R77 in this update which legit shocked me I mean I know IRL the First R77 model wasnt that good but I expected them to make the Aim-120 the worse amraam in the game

[@jacobdoolan4978]

F16 can pull much more than 9g… American bias? No it’s called balance, and game design. Do write another cope essay though

[@asdfgh3347]

Natoboy crying, mig-23 never was op, skill issue

[@WyattChilson]

@@asdfgh3347 Skill issues really is that why I grinded out the Entire USSR tech tree in as little as 2 weeks with the Mig-23ML take your troll BS and like your own comment somewhere else buddy

[@WyattChilson]

@@jacobdoolan4978 F16 can pull more than 9 g's IRL also and I bet you didnt know the F16 cant fly without fly-by-wire and I bet you didnt know the F16 performs the best at 360 to 380 knots the G limiter is made to stop the aircraft at pulling High G when its at high speeds to avoid the pilot dying and to avoid Aircraft frame damage now the F16 does have electronics which will auto pull up if the computer in the jet thinks the pilot blacked out and is heading to the ground bet you didnt know that either you say Cope when I already did I no longer play USA tanks I use USA for Aircraft and USSR for tanks Now I bet you are mad that USA has the best Fox-3 in Top tier based on Performance Data and I say to you COPE USA owns the air Deal with it you dont like it stop playing the game SIMPLE you bitch at the F16 for performing with real world Specs but you dont bitch when the Mig-23 had a cracked flight model when they had real world data on the aircraft shows who you are Biased and I 100,000% know you play USSR they try to make all aircraft as balanced as possible with real world data but they never go over the specs of real world data but they did for the Mig-23's now why did it take them so long to nerf the Mig23 flight model but they have nerfed the Jas-39 over 4 to 5x shows that they are Biased and they showed it with their own WORDS which is the best part

[@H34Rt54]

No wonder I can't switch to MTI mode at certain angle. RIP

[@varesin2978]

I wasn't really a MiG-23 fan, although I do love the MiG family in general. However, now...seeing what they have done. I'm just sad i didn't really get to play that aircraft when it was doing so well. I have two words for that: skill issue. I sturggled at that BR, going above 10.3 was rough. Now I won't really enjoy the real deal of MiG-23. Sad.

[@karkinos5398]

Saddest part is all soviet jets are now nerfed i terms of flight performance but all nato jets are performing 1.5x better flight performance wise than they should irl. Mig29 and su27 in game lose speed at 20°aoa 2.5x faster than they do irl... thx gaijin

[@varesin2978]

@@karkinos5398 that's great considering I'm spading MiG-29G :D

[@tibayonex4505]

They made it better today

[@Clulessss]

Was the mig-23BN also effected by this?

[@ValadarishUR]

And they nerfed based on crying players and prototype tests... Mig-23ML/MLD/MLA for an example all received new airframes and FCS in their modernization, but even that gaijin ignored, we send more than 300 sources of test flights and performance data of Mig-23 they don't accept because "we only use official data"... But it's cool because to nerf they used unofficial data from some prototype tests and unofficial data of guys making some sort of math on reports fórum.... And half of data used to make the actual F-16 flight model it's based on unofficial data...

[@Not_honest_enough]

im glad i bought it before the nerf, but now its not even worth it the 35 in the sale

[@kingghidorah8106]

for something with makeshift magic 2s, the best within visual range radar missile and a radar that laughed at any NATO Doppler and shared flight model with the f-14B it had a well deserved nerf.

[@AndreiSemenov-d6u]

typical american main cope MiG-23 was never the best plane with good (but not the best) flight performance and very poor R-60M's.Yes, it does take r24r but it is still not overperforming weapons (in fact, they are not hard to dodge). MiG-23 was on the level of Phantoms and it was constantly downtiered to F-16A and F-14B, which are straight-up dumbest no-brain planes of the entire game. Now the plane is killed, because american mains from reddit cound't find the "win" button.

[@fagalon9152]

@@AndreiSemenov-d6u The irony in your comment dude. 😭 Yeah its not too late to delete this bro.

[@Янус_Ырт]

23 was created to kills F4s. F4s are still more capable in terms of having more ordnance. F4 and 23 were balanced as they were, now 23 is annoying to play. It is still strong and can win against F-4s, but gaijin made it annoying. I hate that.

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@Янус_Ырт MiG23s were born to kill F-4s but the F-4s were superior in every single regard, especially since the F-4E got a new radar that the russians tried to copy to no avail. MTI should be quite bad and somehow it's bad ingame but the Russian MTIs surpass F-15 block 15. The F-4E in game also has less turn rate than it had in real life, it was so agile that it could outrate both MiG21 and MiG23 of all kinds. MiG23s had 25 percent more turn rate than they should, so even yet despite having 20 percent nerfed this patch they're still over performing.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

​@@AndreiSemenov-d6u please tell me you don't genuinely think the F-4s are on par with the MiG-23. Because the Premium MiG-23 wipes the floor with F-4s, even the F-4S; though the F-4S isn't great so it's not saying much.

[@CAMAPA_TV-lh4db]

Хорошее видео)

[@GreenMorkovka]

Enlighten me pls, what's wrong now? Turn, speed or radar?

[@Տիգրան-ժ1է]

Radar become piece of shit, and very fast loosing speed.

[@smilingxassassin]

I was thinking about getting it. Should I not get it ??

[@Duality.12]

Do the nerfs make it unusable?

[@AnEepyLeaf]

played the MLA a good bunch while grinding out the new F-4F. if you treat it sort of like a mig-21 you can still make things work with the 24T's

[@justiceforjeller]

its still pretty good, so many people coping because throwing your wings forward no longer = free win.

[@yunjinbai4640]

U still got R24R and R24Ts so it is not too bad

[@Vogelchen]

1:09 you gotta work on your T-4-6 reaction that was really slow

[@hensen6]

0:47 and the fucking acm mode is now only 10km

[@trivixni435]

I remember when mig23ml could outturn the f15 T_T

[@Thatguy131-yp5cj]

They removed it’s look down shoot down mode which was the staple mate of it

[@arflash_]

F MiG-23

[@чипчили]

Все из-за того, что какое-то животное покаталось на миг23 в пользовательских боях и пожаловалось, что летается не так, как в "реальности"

[@daniasavin4464]

нет, потому что животное скинуло документацию НА УЧЕБНЫЙ ВАРИАНТ МИГ-23УБ со старыми двигателями, а радар уничтожили просто потому.

[@___KpuTuK___]

​@@daniasavin4464 если это так, то почему бы самому не писать на форуме об этом, о том, что данные взяты не оттуда

[@fertfert4661]

Жалуйтесь больше на вымышленный "Russian bias" 😥

[@strategiccommander4736]

I didn't get why turning speed is fatal nerf to that plane, I thinks it still performs well, thinking of buying it.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

Well, gl to lock anything then, radar got heavily nerfed and you basically can’t use MTI (sort of PD) anymore, I mean you can but rn it works only if you’re looking at the target from above And about its FM, it’s worse than F-4S rn and well because of that it loses DF to the phantom So basically you’ll get the F-4S but with worse radar, worse RWR, worse missiles, less amount of missiles and worse FM at the same BR

[@rowanyuh6326]

They also completely destroyed the radar

[@rednuclearmc3856]

@@СергейНикольский-я2ц playing like an absolute rat using IRST and 23/24T and your insane (comparatively) speed vs F4S works well enough in my experience, the fact that it cant literally just curbtomp its entire BR unless unptiered anymore is good

[@strategiccommander4736]

@@СергейНикольский-я2ц ye, watched stream about it yesterday, they turned it to a brick. They will probably add another cool premium in next update. For now I think I'll buy Su-25K instead.

[@Smilldon]

And i just bought it 😂😂

[@bean_up7402]

I skipped all mig-23, maybe it was good once, but since the addition of f-16 and mig29 it was unplayable.

[@zhuravlevivan4622]

What happened? Am I not nerdy enough to understand what gayjin nerfed?

[@shrimps69]

I have grinded from rank 2 to 6 with ML I bought it two months ago, radar is useless 24R doesn't hit shit, 24T is situational so only thing that works is the r60m head on

[@Bob_Dickinson]

They butchered it... :(

[@satorusukuna7161]

Same 4 mirage 2000 😢

[@muhammadhabibullah618]

Well oof? Yall M2K having fun killing gen-3 jets now crying over the nerf? Cope.

[@bekaugro]

In real life it turned like a brick, but in war thunder it was the turnfighter 23? But nerf grippen it will surely fix your skill issue. Cry harder 🤡

[@Янус_Ырт]

In real life it still turned better than an F-4

[@muhammadhabibullah618]

Full flap deflect of an F4 and your open swing wing will swing your life away, sure saw that many time M23 user trying that old cheap tricks. Not anymore, go back to your zoom and boom interceptor role.

[@bekaugro]

@@muhammadhabibullah618 I'm playing sweden, 🤡

[@urbancoyote4840]

Mig 21>mig23

[@Baconatorz]

All the memes in the video get old very fast

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

Could be worse, could be the F-4J/S. Its still eons better than they are.

[@xankriegor2156]

Why dont they fix the flight models on US planes too? All of them pull like 12-13Gs while my poor Su-27 can barelly pull 10. Anyways, the MiG-23 was a fun plane, will remain a good plane for mid alt R-24R 10km shots and headon R-60Ms. It wont dogfight anymore but will still fly

[@Timber-043]

The Su-27 has a fly-by-wire, I which is why it locks up like an F-16 a high speed. You also have to remember Russian jets are designed to pull 7g while American jets can pull 9g

[@Янус_Ырт]

​@@Timber-043Su-27 is designed for 9G of maximum overload as well, check your info

[@K03dUr1p0dplz]

Wow wish my dumbass watched this a 2 days ago. Bought this jet yesterday like a moron. Should've got the su25. Anyway I can get refund or exchange? lmao....

[@capitanbeto1228]

Does this include the mig23bn 9.7??????

[@IonPerseus]

Yes

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

Fucking finally 😂

[@MrTefe]

Crying that its not super op anymore? Welcome to playing WT a way where it actually takes skill.

[@sealboyy6584]

But why nerf the radar, the FM were needed but thats it, other than that it was fine

[@user45g-4c5rf]

@@sealboyy6584 Because he's in 10.3/11.3 in simulation... And its radar was very powerful with its hud that allows you to see where the targets are. And even in dogfights, he dominated.

[@dyaman_]

@@user45g-4c5rf than,remove,the,mirage2k,from,the,11.7,simulation,as,well?IRCCM,missiles,unbeatable,FM,at,that,br,good,rwr,and,a,good,radar.But,i,didnt,saw,that,plane,get,recked

[@kolecnik]

@@MrTefe oh you tell me how magic 2's takes so much skill on 11.3 or f-14a that can press three buttons and kill half of the enemy team. While you need to waste a whole minute or two defending/notching against phoenix. Mig-23 deserved its nerfs. But so many other planes are over performing right now and its definitely not about skill

[@OldinaryChimera]

Do you want something realistic? Enlist in the army and trust in your country's weapons, you will see that it is completely different

[@Ccaraaa]

Fuck da auto Radar

[@GeneralArmchair]

But reddit said the game is russian biased.

[@stylker5604]

Некоторые люди с рождения дегенераты и реддиторы входят в эту группу

[@blazinggalar8384]

Grb is russian based xd

[@Xathunuplum]

​@@blazinggalar8384with the dominion of leopaerd 2 family?

[@leartni]

F

[@stylker5604]

Джоны наныли

[@Idk-cz9ms]

Almost like it was over performing for its airframe wow 😮

[@-ArhiP-]

Уже вроде обратно апнули чутка, со слива скорости с 1200 до 600 в одном развороте даже Джоны охренели

[@asdfgh3347]

​@@Idk-cz9msnever was op, just us fools skill issue

[@Idk-cz9ms]

@@asdfgh3347 you’re a brick bro literally used it was out performing every plane at its br Womp Womp still had good missiles you just can’t turn like a f16 and not get punished

[@sasha_nabaresh]

@@Idk-cz9ms It's funny that the mig 23 was strong precisely in the established turn due to the expanded wing, but after the patch it loses even against the f4))) It's not even funny for a joke.

[@Янус_Ырт]

Also that @kingghidorah8106 guy is an absolute clown

[@0zai_i]

This gotta be a joke

[@Garugontheblue]

Brother its Russian. It aint good anyway