R6 Lore guy Reacts to "The Worst Lore in Modern Gaming"

[@iAmLufa]

Thank you for reacting to my video! I can’t lie I almost shit my pants when I saw such a big KZbinr had reacted to my video haha. but you were very kind and fair! Thx for the dope feedback dude!👊

[@iceyyz_freeze]

I was looking to see if you commented or made a video about this one lol

[@beefdust.]

Planted the defuser on the like button, hold my flank please 🙏

[@ethan-ray]

i appreciate you being open to the feedback and not being salty about someone challenging your view

[@KudosR6]

Have a great day, and good luck with the channel :) 💜

[@iAmLufa]

Appreciated :)@@KudosR6

[@TheButterAnvil]

The "nimrod showed off the SAS" comparison is actually perfect to show the issue with stadium. The sas were "shown off" by killing dangerous people and saving lives, not playing live action counter strike

[@nagiaoe2434]

Yeah, his point was retarded It was also a very stupid idea back then too, since the terrorists could just turn on the tv and predict their tactics from their points of entry.. Not to mention that operation was really messy

[@jarvy251]

The real SAS built a replica embassy kill house to train in relentlessly before the mission, which is probably where the idea came from. But the only demonstration of skill that mattered is when they took down the terrorists and saved the hostages for real.

[@DaMainCookie]

hey

[@arnebanane147]

The Crowd in the Stadium makes also no sense because normal citizen can literally see the Tactics they use. So Rainbow shows all tactics they have to the rest of the World and bad people can just go in the Stadium and see how the Operators work and how the gadgets work

[@ComradeFer]

It’s actually a real thing, SWAT and worldwide CTU’s compete in Swat Chellenges, the 2024 one actually happened recently

[@jointfreeman3971]

@@ComradeFernot in the way demonstrated here.

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

@@ComradeFer Sounds cringe ngl

[@ComradeFer]

@@velvetinedrapes4359 It can be, it’s also kinda hype when a smaller country beats a country like the US or Russia

[@ComradeFer]

@@jointfreeman3971 it’s not a 5v5 shootout, but I’m saying an international competition demonstrating CTU’s skills and tactics isn’t insane, it exists

[@theprototype1995]

I absolutely love how there will always be the constant argument between whether Siege's lore is good or bad but both sides will always agree that the stadium was the worst part of this game's history

[@theprototype1995]

Also YES. R6 needs more singleplayer or at least narrative focused, PVE content. Just like a PVE event every season where you do some sort task that advances the game's story would be cool to have. But I'm no game dev so I don't really know the time/cost of doing something like that but it would be nice. Also I would to somehow see Patriots be made in some form since it technically did happen in the lore. (I know this is impossible but I'm just kinda speaking my mind here. I would honestly take a 6 issue comic run explaining what happened and be satisfied)

[@jointfreeman3971]

@@theprototype1995nobody will play siege in a pve setting what ur basically promoting and encouraging is some destiny 2 bs which after a while gets incredibly stale. There’s a reason destiny 2 fell off the way it did

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

@@jointfreeman3971 PvE was in Siege and Terrorist Hunt existed in previous Rainbow Six titles. I'd happily play a PvE Rainbow Six game. With Siege you pick your operator but in previous games you chose your character and loadout

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

@@theprototype1995 R6 should have a singleplayer campaign. It was a great game and deserved more. But idk if Ubi has that level of competency any more. To create a challenging military shooter with actual depth

[@theprototype1995]

@@jointfreeman3971 D2’s style of content and what they released was not (at least not the only thing) that made that game fall off. Some of my best memories playing D2 were the PVE content. Once they started cutting some of their best Raids and planets, I quit the game. And im not asking for a whole revamp to make Siege into Destiny. I was thinking more just like how we have events for cowboy stuff and the halloween stuff in R6, we could a short mission/event where you execute a mission that would advance Siege’s story. Basically just what Article 5 did but every season and its new and different

[@CaptainGhost1331]

imo The tournament stuff is the most stupid thing they did to Rainbow Six Siege's lore

[@kingjom5651]

Not as bad as the way they are butchering Deimos rn

[@Artician]

​@@kingjom5651"Why does Deimos look so goofy" on another video. What did you mean by that?

[@kingjom5651]

@@Artician they gave him a ridiculous Mario bros moustache

[@ParaplegicKeanuReeves]

The tournament stage is ridiculous to rappel down

[@nahfr.]

​@@kingjom5651brotha you are right why they give him a stache he look way better without it

[@enenrax]

Harry dug his own grave with the Stadium, Deimos must have been watching his old squad putting on a show on TV I want to see the excuse that Ubisoft will have next year to explain how Finka returned to Rainbow and went to Auroa

[@thunderlord3747]

A battle pass item in this new season implies that Nighthaven is going to rejoin Rainbow. (and join, for Grim's case)

[@enenrax]

@@thunderlord3747 That's the only option, because I don't think Ash would knock on Kali's door asking for Finka's help. But the way she is stupid I don't doubt it

[@DEstin100]

Rainbow six then: prevent terrorism in the world. Rainbow six now: The fuck is terrorism???

[@jampie66]

You say that, but there's like several points where Deimos has attacked public facilities, like in Ram's trailer and comic, or in Fenrir's release comic. Bro's *intro* shows him letting a bomb detonate even though he had plenty of time to disarm it, he is the literal definition of a terrorist.

[@TrumpyPumpyPants]

Saving the gays!!!!!!

[@thepurpleemu]

@@jampie66yeah but getting rid of the whole reason of the games existence doesn’t make any sense and it’s extremely disrespectful to the late Tom Clancy and it’s completely different vs 1 guy

[@jampie66]

@@thepurpleemu i mean Deimos was just a part of the terror organization he was in. After they capture him, the group still carries out attacks. I do agree though, I feel like the lore could use a terror group instead of a terror guy

[@tonyknighton4019]

​​@@thepurpleemu Unfortunately we got Snowflakes running the show to the point where even the word "Terrorist" is extremely taboo.

[@varsityreviews707]

When it comes to releasing new Rainbow Six games, they’ve got a gold mine with the older titles. Simple remasters of them on modern hardware would do really well

[@jointfreeman3971]

But it’s ubi. Giving the company that recycles all of their content over and over again the idea to do it more is a really bad idea.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I wish Rainbow Six Patriots still got made

[@varsityreviews707]

@@neofulcrum5013 Me too man. Me too.

[@decreasify]

honestly hes right the lore is really bad, hopefully them killing harry is based off a new direction of the lore but its really ironic of deimos insulting rainbow team then "joining the airsoft fight"

[@Wumbonington]

Deimos hasnt joined rainbow team. Ingame gamplay is seperate from the lore.

[@DJ-xe8cl]

@@Wumboningtonin the comics Deimos is set to be put on rainbow operations, he’s not on the team but he will be more involved

[@Wumbonington]

@@DJ-xe8cl he's still not an operator yet

[@jarvy251]

@@Wumbonington If the point of the lore is to explain why these operators are endlessly fighitng eachother (it's airsoft) then how is ingame gameplay separate from the lore?

[@Wumbonington]

@@jarvy251 rightz airsoft, despite the fact that blood comes out of them sure

[@vikkstardoom2950]

you just brushed past nokk getting caught on camera

[@DrMindmasher]

Well to be fair, her ability doesn’t last forever, and on top of that if I’m not mistaken, that was post violent knife fight Nokk so it’s not like they didn’t know she was there. She was probably in a hurry and got a bit sloppy.

[@DrMindmasher]

It is ironic though that she of all operators was the one caught on camera

[@charleschristian7806]

Rainbow Six Siege is a Tom Clancy game. Tom Clancy has been known for his amazing story telling in books with action packed sequences and high stakes. He has enough books to keep people on the edge of their seats for years. I can't imagine how disappointed he would be at the direction they went with this game, I don't think he would've even allowed it to happen if I'm honest. The main issue I have with you calling the White Masks "just another enemy" is the fact that the White Masks are more of a realistic threat. That is what made Tom Clancy books AND games so intriguing and engaging, because the stories they told were actually possible and some of them were based on real events too. I love rainbow six and still play it but I absolutely hate the story and how it feels like high school drama BS every time something in the story happens. There are no stakes, nobody important dies, Siege has turned into a giant cartoon.

[@TheBingoAstro]

Currently R6 is in a weird situation where the lore was at its peek with the White Masks, then it dipped into borderline stupidity with the stadium, then it spiced up and got pretty interesting with Yahatta's death and Deimos, and now things are uncertain with Deimos going to work with Rainbow. Sure the lore isn't perfect, but I don't think that it's "the worse lore in gaming."

[@arcaderdude]

i'd rather have sieges 2-3/10 lore in a game where lore doesnt matter rather than a story game with 5-6/10 lore

[@yusefwebb9727]

The damos is not working with them. He's being interrogated and stuff like that. Yes, but he's not working with them.

[@Carpediem357]

Deimos isn't working with Rainbow.

[@maleprincess62]

He's been captured by rainbow, but he's still trying to actively destroy rainbow

[@coIdkristen]

Lore was at its peak with white masks? There was like, 1 cut scene when the game released and nothing else

[@000-v7j]

18:35 Yea gameplay is gameplay for a reason, thats like asking unironically how Mira can carry around 2 big ass one way mirrors or how Ram can carry 3 mini tanks that shred the floor under it and basically anything in its way, yea like sure they use their gadgets in lore too, but thats not really the same since they are setting up safehouses or just showing them off, unlike ing where mira can run around and just pull a black mirror out of her ass whenever

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

I partially agree. But I also think some asks in regards to "gameplay reasons" are easier than others. Like, where is this character storing an entire arsenal? Well we nearly always are willing to overlook that for numerous games. But making the big bad work right next to and with the team is just dumb with how they did it. Because they didn't even try to make it make sense even though they surely could've come up with something.

[@000-v7j]

@@DragonbornMike-ym2er New comic explains it partially, I dont think it was out at the time (maybe it was?)

[@karthaz3637]

​@@DragonbornMike-ym2er I mean, it's a common thing with hero shooters tho, in Overwatch, even though there are some voice lines implying they are not fond of one another, you can play as Widowmaker with a Tracer on your team, when in lore they would just try to kill each other on the spot. At some point, when you create a hero shooter, you create characters you want to make playable for the fanbase and you don't want to limit how they can play it for lore reasons like "BEEP ! You can't lock in Deimos because you have 1 or more Rainbow operator on your team." + You can't really make a separate roster for Rainbow and Nighthaven let's say, since operators switch side quite often and also for obvious balancing reasons. Overall, lore is cool but it can't affect gameplay.

[@hygormotasantos4035]

@@DragonbornMike-ym2er "Gameplay reasons" for a multiplayer shooter has to be the most pathetic reason to ever complain at, jeez. This is overlooked for any goddamn multiplayer game ever made. It's a fucking GAME for a reason.

[@lucky9293]

@@karthaz3637 the thing is for overwatch, gameplay isn't canon for R6S, it is canon

[@THAudioVisual]

The only "nostalgia" I want is night maps again.

[@jamesx7318]

they removed them because night maps were a whole separate map and not just the map with engine time set to 2:00AM or something, effectively doubling the game size. siege has never had a built-in day-night cycle and they're probably too lazy to implement one.

[@retrohero5475]

I think a lot of the problem with how people understand the r6 story is that its all so spread out. Theres comics, 2d animations, cg animations, text blurbs, etc etc etc...but not all of it is even in game, and the stuff that is is not always at the forefront. I have a bit of a similar problem with apex, but there they at least try with the treasure pack quests and all the legend interactions. Over there, you get both the what and the why just from playing the game. In rainbow? I just have to piece it together unless im actively looking for it. I think this just leads to a lot of confusion.

[@DirtyCurti]

They just asking for a terrorist attack on that Stadium with allowing the public to come in and watch. Its kinda crazy dangerous to put such high tech military equipment and operators all together in one spot with thousands of randoms around them.

[@jarvy251]

I think you're totally misunderstanding his points. For example: 14:37 "Well, they infiltrated nighthaven to gather more evidence" Yeah, which is still a MASSIVE and hamfisted overreaction. He's not saying that it was a revenge mission at all, but that it was a dumb way to gather evidence. I can already picture how Tom Clancy might write this - observing Nighthaven in the field, see who they're working with, who are they working against, who their clients work for, who is suplying them and for what ends - an actual investigation, where you keep your hands clean as long as possible so as not to tip nighthaven off if they ARE up to something. Rainbow's first step was to jump into the hornet's nest headfirst. It IS dumb. 15:17 You're missing the point that the operator whose special skill is to be invisible on camera - was caught on camera. No one cares how nighthaven tracked down the lead afterwards, it's that they got that particular lead in the first place. It's lazy. 16:11 Well, the reason why Rainbow went to nighthaven was to say "I know from your perspective Rainbow has been provoking you for no reason, but please don't start a war with us while we might have a different threat to distract us and divide Rainbows attention. Uh, also, don't get involved." If you were Nighthaven, how might you take that? etc etc etc You're coming at it from the wrong angle. You've got the details of the lore down, but what's being pointed out is the broad foundations of the lore are faulty.

[@DeluxeSlayer]

Exactly! Glad im not the only one who noticed that. Seems like he was a bit nitpicky by saying he skipped some details in the lore also. Doesn't matter if he skipped a couple things cause the point is to show that the general direction of the story and the writing is plain bad

[@noahweiser551]

Yea I'm getting the sense that this dude doesn't quite know how to parse truly key details from memorable story arcs that end up going nowhere 😅

[@Zeitzbach]

It's the common mistake a lot of people who are usually invested in a franchise fall in to. "If it's explained, it's justified" regardless of how poor the explanation is.

[@Nina2Rina]

Isn’t it explained in the animation that grim cut part of nøkks mask and disabled her anti camera tech? The other two are decent criticisms but that one the explanation is just left out and replaced by criticism of ‘how did they see nøkk on camera’

[@Sylvaard]

Not only does showing off a secret counter-terrorism unit in a stadium reveal their tactics to the world and enemies. It also gives terrorists time slots as to when they can commit their acts of terrorism unmolested by team Rainbow. Also civil war plot is pathetic and childish.

[@starstruckp4808]

For years, I jokingly said Siege was becoming an anime; but thanks to the corny Netflix-style animations and ridiculous world building they’re doing with the characters, I hate to be indirectly correct in that statement.

[@charlessaint7926]

I will agree on some aspects. Yes, the stadium threw a wrench into the game. On full display to the public? They're covert operators. Not gladiators. Nokk is my favorite character for her lore. The infiltration of Nighthaven, stealing data, was a hit and miss. Yes, Nokk is caught on camera, which is counter to her ability. Kali knows it's Rainbow, but she doesn't ask the former Rainbow operators, now on her team, what they know of Nokk? That brings into question, loyalty. I figure Rainbow is so large, and constantly active, most operators would not know each other intimately. Maybe remember a face and a name, but not much beyond that. Considering Nokk normally works alone, and her bio is largely classified would make it possible. At the same time, that doesn't mean ALL the operators don't know Nokk. What if Smoke and Ela and Pulse saw Nokk's image, recognized who she was, but remained tight-lipped, or just lie to Kali, saying, "I don't know who this person is?" Which brings into question, are these defectors truly loyal to NIGHTHAVEN?

[@DrMindmasher]

In the lore, Nokks identity is a complete secret from everyone but the director of Rainbow, they keep her file secured at NATO or something like that, so loyalty aside, I just don’t think any of the ops know who she is or what she looks like.

[@meatbeatmania]

The thing I hate most about lore is changing what rainbow was about they used to be a secret organisation every operator never had a identity you where just a blank face among many others

[@benprint7615]

Ngl, I lost interest in the lore before the whole Harry and stadium dumpster fire. Ever since they started making the operators like marvel characters with boring backstories. I grew up with rainbow six Vegas 1&2 and the focus was never on the characters. Bishop and his squad were fairly one dimensional as were supporting characters. The villains had a little more depth, especially in the sequel, but the thing that made the Vegas stories so gripping was the feats of tactical prowess rainbow performs. In other words, large incredibly dangerous terrorist groups plans get thwarted by the most elite counter-terrorism military group stopping them. None of this character bickering, politics and over the top backstories. Focus on the threat and how rainbow deals with it, not on which character has beef with another.

[@usernamepassword236]

Wahhhhhhhhhh I hate good stories I just wanna see good guys beat the bad guys

[@drax065]

​@@usernamepassword236,,r6 good story"? You clearly have no taste noir knowledge what a good story is.

[@usernamepassword236]

@@drax065 you people overestimate what good actually means either way I never directly called it a good story but this guy flat out admitted he only likes to see good guys kill bad guys which by itself is not a good story

[@swarmofhungrydeathclaws]

Covert operators yelling at each other in cringe melodrama is real gay. Tom Clancy rolling in his grave.

[@benprint7615]

@@usernamepassword236 that’s not what I said at all lmao, and you clearly never played the older R6 games so just pipe down kid.

[@spartianz3r068]

My headcannon to explain the crowd is that the crowd are soldiers of each operators home country

[@MRCY223]

I like this a lot

[@scottyius]

Honestly I think the best way for siege to move forward, is to have the ranked 5v5 be the main game. But periodically have events which are like story/campaign that progresses the lore. One example I think they can take inspiration from is the outbreak event. The event can be a pve/narrative based.

[@alexplays1112]

I said this before to a friend but they should have added new situations with each season that tie in to the lore.

[@GGE]

I don't get this idea that the Stadium arc has to define Siege until the end of time. I ended up jokingly likening the game to an anime at one point and said if it's an anime, the Stadium Arc was pretty mid or at least borderline filler and that's okay. They shot the guy who came up with it on screen. I don't think they can get much more direct with what they're trying to say than that.

[@miceatah9359]

not everyone is a weird weeb like u tho

[@dragonxev1144]

​@@miceatah9359You could just as easily apply that logic to Twilight as well if that makes it easier for you to understand. I'm sure you had your favorite and least favorite arc. Don't be a dick

[@rsookchand919]

The books, Tom Clancy wrote are beautiful, and I highly recommend you read at least one of them. When I bought siege, I loved the counterterrorist aspect of it, but as they transitioned to this tournament style law, it lost my interest, hoping with Deimos they’ll revert back

[@captaintarkov]

Especially that Morris is back as Deimos puts a fun twist in it. Actually for me back into siege because I think it’s cool to see a classic character come back

[@theblackdragon193]

I’m glad kudos reacted to this.

[@ScoutTheSpartan]

Deimos is literally the reason why I got back into Siege. I kinda wish he didn’t get captured so soon, but other than that he basically was my reason for reigniting my enjoyment for this game. I kinda didn’t like the “esports arc”. The whole stadium part of the story is kind of why (as well as the balance changes that followed) is why I quit for like 2 years.

[@cesar-mn5ts]

I wish they had voice lines at the start of rounds depending on the characters you choose kinda like overwatch. Like if you pick ash and kali they say something to eachother, or maybe if you kill pulse as hibana she says something short. Not voicelines that would clog up your audio too much but just a little something. I think it would make more people interested in the lore, most of my friends that have been playing for years have no idea about the lore of the game.

[@MEGATRYANT]

The issue with the "key parts" is that they all basically depend on the horribly dumb and convoluted main lore to work in the first place. Also, turning a lore-heavy franchise into a competitive PvP e-sports game is the reason why the lore became dumb and convoluted in the first place. It's basically butchering the stablished franchise lore just because they wanted to bank on the Rainbow Six IP instead of coming up with a new one.

[@thegamingagent6822]

15:50 The fact she was caught on camera at all is the point here. I haven't read the comic so maybe they have some super advanced cameras that were designed to get vigil and nokk on camera after they were on team rainbow but if not then her being noticed on camera is his point. The only reason grimm would have a clue who did it was bc they saw nokk on cam.

[@iguess4512]

I always imagined the audience in the stadium as veterans or currently enlisted members of military/CT forces Would make sense they'd go and watch their fellow comerades in arms compete for their homelands

[@kohlicoide2258]

18:30 I mean.. Nokk is missing, Ash was in coma the last 2(?) seasons (poor ash mains), you can literally play Grim and Nokk in the same team like. Grim: "Where is Nokk?!" Nokk: "Main Lobby" Grim: "Okay :) " And when we start more nickpicking.. Why we cant _burn down_ some walls? They are literally out of wood and we have 3 Operator with Fire Gadgets and when i see how big the fuell canister is on Goyos Trap. "Yeah about the Objective.. MAYBE some things get out of controll." *Burning Chalet in the background*

[@o_Keiiran]

I think the tournament is a play off the actual warriors competitions that happen where different special operations military and police face off

[@Jkinsella082]

They should’ve gave up on the lore a long time ago, it’s horrible.

[@Jimbos3rdCousin]

Deimos joining Rainbow is definitely something you can’t overlook. “It’s something to overlook” is a wrong way to justify a guy who hates the group, to join them. We didn’t get to play Harry, so I don’t see why they had to add Deimos.

[@mettsusharpclaw]

The Deimos part I mean is no different than you playing a fighting game like Marvel Vs Capcom and having a Hero with a villan on the same team (Like Dormammu and Ryu) and then going by lore "Oh those 2 would never work together that makes no sense", lore might have some small impacts on game, but they shouldn't at the same time and that is the case for most games with such themes like Hero's and villans. Awesome video Kudos!.

[@Drdoom-d-rida]

The only real difference is that marvel vs capcom is very non-canon. While deimos is being written in very half assly

[@alphabro1255]

I don't feel like the video is "missing key parts" I think it's trying to summarize the story as fast as possible while also pointing out things that just seem weird or outta place. Like Nokk getting caught on a camera or harry being a self insert for the writers to "fix" the story. If you need dive into the super micro details of a story for it to make sense or be "good" it's doing waaaay too much. (especially because they didn't even care about the lore for like a year or 2)

[@alphabro1255]

@chogboogus I don't really see that as a key part of the story tho, yes he got that information wrong, but in the end the sister rivalry was never a hugely important part or cornerstone of the lore. Sure now ela left and now they're using the sisters POV to explain each side which is cool, but they could've chosen any other operators who chose to leave or stay and the points would remain mostly the same

[@Fafish01]

@@alphabro1255 idk to me it seems like hes trying to summarize it but when doing it hes also dumbing it down really hard. If I explain a story really quickly of course its gonna sound shit lol. He also missed important info, and most of the build up so yeah. Theres that He also combines Gameplay with lore, You never have to do that especially when talking about a multiplayergame

[@alphabro1255]

@chogboogus I can agree fully agree that he's coming from a slightly comedic angle for sure. I'm just disappointed with r6's lore ever since Harry held the reigns and drove it to the ground. The lore now just feels uninspired and non eventful, I didn't even know zero was Sam fisher until a homie told me to go watch a lore vid

[@alexandersprouse]

@@alphabro1255 how r u disappointed by lore u didnt even understand, if u didnt even kno zero was sam fisher (even tho he has the classic 3 green dots on his gadget and on his operator, and they hyped it up big time when he was announced) than how would u know whats being left out of his video

[@alphabro1255]

@@alexandersprouse when I got back into r6 a couple of months ago I didn't know who the new operators were, after playing again for some while I asked why zero was so old and he told me to watch a lore video to catch me up. After watching said lore video and others like it on this channel,I really don't like things after Harry took over

[@jericodawsonmarcos7529]

4:32 if thats harry's idea for the base they could have just done it all on hereford since it has all of the logistical bonuses too

[@fenrisodinslay2038]

the stadium stuff definitely was to cash in on esports but its not like competitions for groups like these don't exist UAE has a SWAT competition for teams around the world

[@InForTheLonghaul]

Night Haven, Rainbow and Deimos stand united against a common enemy. *THE RED TEAM*

[@TheTruePacmanMG]

I'd love if they continue referencing other clancy titles. I'd like if Ghost Recon, R6, and Splinter Cell keep crossing over in their stories. I Ubisoft, but grew up with these games so if they do that they are much more likely to get my attention.

[@jishwagent]

Just a random question but how come we can't play the other stadium map, I havent checked custom games I guess but I haven't seen the other stadium map since the event

[@KudosR6]

It's in casual

[@jishwagent]

@KudosR6 I've never seen it, not the border-coastline one but the harreford base one

[@UpsetRamen]

i liked the stadium stuff and the cinematics, never thought much about the public being witness to this kinda secret group didn't cross my mind

[@InsomniacShrub]

Operators 'being the same height' because its a game and 'bleeding' because its a game feels like a totally differnt thing to 'okay so these simulations dont make any sense at all now'

[@SaLaJim1010]

The lore is bad and u know its bad when the best part of the lore is sam fisher

[@enenrax]

One of the Best parts of GR Wildlands is Rainbow Six

[@slayer6498]

What?​@@enenrax

[@xyiux]

​@@slayer6498their was some r6 mission in ghost recon wildlands

[@miceatah9359]

@@enenrax no its not lol

[@enenrax]

@@miceatah9359 The Crossovers are the hardest parts of that game, and the R6S mission is one of the hardest, just like Sam Fisher and Future Soldier. Not to mention you get a special glove when you finish. the Breakpoint Crossover is also difficult, but it's better because the place is better than that Laboratory, the Unidad camp and unidad base

[@michaelmemory6938]

Even if stuff is being omitted, the lore itself is convoluted, doesn’t actually play well with every character playing together in game, and a lot of the story having no … point. It’s continuity for continuity’s sake, without any awareness. You want lore being congruent with gameplay? Look at CS, Team Fortress for giving eternal conflict a small (if not somewhat tounge in cheek) explanation for why it’s happening, why it’s still happening, and why anyone’s there. Deimos mocking then joining with Rainbow is such an easy blow and subject to mock, showing a key fault with conjoining lore with the core gameplay loop. Now they just have to keep the wheels churning to make more characters to the roster, all contextual logic be damned. People can like the game, but my hairy ass has more “grounded military narrative” than Ubisoft’s writing room.

[@lilthreadd]

nokk got detected on cam lol

[@arqamsaleempieas5041]

as per the audience, I vividly remember in the first cinematic with the stadium harry mentions that the audience consists of other operator and Special forces Colleagues and rivals to witness the best of the best first hand

[@L16olc]

jynxzi in the top left is hilarious

[@BOAT69_69]

Saying that they messed uniting lore and gameplay is a bit silly, consid ering masterchef is in the game. Think of every other game with "lore" that doesnt correlate to gameplay (warzone, fortnite, apex. Ecc)

[@mayochup4684]

All of the cosmetics are merely the characters cosplaying, master chief in game is just sledge in a costume

[@protosopic6398]

Apex is a good example of lore and gameplay going hand in hand. One of the few great aspects of that game. Characters will remark on past events. My favorite example is Revenant and Loba. Since Rev killed her parents, he has a ton regarding her. The best one being if Loba gets kill leader, he will say, "New Kill Leader Loba? I have at least two kills over you. Mommy and Daddy" Also, the characters are being copied so only their copy dies. It has one of the most lore accurate multiplayers, besides Deep Rock Galactic. The only issue is there being multiple of copies.

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

The difference is Rainbow Six is part of the Tom Clancy universe which is grounded in the real world and was a more serious level of fiction compared to Call of Duty. The Rainbow Six game was released alongside the book way back on the Nintendo 64. Master chief shouldn't have been in there in the first place and actually highlights the issue we see in a lot of media now. Fan service aiming for a cheap distraction to make up for incompetency

[@TheButterAnvil]

All of those examples are bad. None of them have even passable stories. With Cod it's so bad, it even leaked into the campaign. Live service battle pass storytelling is a failed experiment, and going "well everything else is bad too" doesn't make it good

[@BOAT69_69]

@@TheButterAnvil yes, exactley

[@JustASleepyFox]

"basically a rip off of Talon from Overwatch." Comparing a self interested PMC to a terrorist organization that wants to "make the world stronger" through starting a global war is just ridiculous.

[@propusain7572]

I think he confused Talon with Blackwatch.

[@Grandsuno]

Arent blackwatch basically like Cavs squad? Theyre the good guys who do morally questionable stuff ​@propusain7572

[@Stroppyness.]

@@Grandsuno yeah you're right

[@brandonadam1665]

I feel like it's a half decent comparison when you look at their effects on the story, both serve as the main, sort of at-the-same-level opposition while also not being the main antagonists, as well as both having recruited current/ex members of rainbow/overwatch.

[@ChewieLeFawgz]

​@@GrandsunoThey're essentially Overwatch's dodgy backup whenever they need something done that would typically put them in hot water. Whether it's espionage or even to assassinate a target of interest.

[@the0skeptic]

the real question is, how does this all tie in to the arknights collab. Asking the important questions here 🤔

[@lawnchairman4976]

One of the ways it can be explained why Deimos is training with r6 is they Confocatesd his equipment and had someone else wear it so they can train against him without the threat of it being him and dying same with death watch it can be someone else who is using it so that the team can figure out how it works and how to counter it

[@ComradeFer]

The public competition thing has a real world parallel, SWAT and worldwide CTU’s compete in the the International Swat team competition is a yearly event, the 2024 one actually happened recently

[@jamwasd]

yh but it's not done like an esports tourney like in siege lore

[@ComradeFer]

@@jamwasd yeah it’s obviously not a 5v5 shootout, but my point is that a public competition with international CTU’s meant to demonstrate their capacity skill and tactics, isn’t completely out of the realm of possibility

[@TheButterAnvil]

I'm trying to find this and I can't. Are you referring to the UAE one?

[@jamwasd]

@@ComradeFer irl esports tourney definitely is out of the realm of possibilty tho

[@grand_howler]

Hah! I got that vid in my recommended about a week ago. I intended to watch it, but haven’t had a chance.

[@icarusblues7699]

The arena is definitely stupid lore-wise because that many people while the ops are busy shooting eachother with bb guns is a really easy target. That, and the "showing everything off" thing

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

Siege's comic and story telling is much harder to access than most other MP games. in a game like TF2 a comic release was a major event in siege i will never hear from an official source that there's a new comic book released for the update. the season reveals and showing off the game content with the cinematics and animation are good. we should at least have a link to view the comics from inside the game if not viewing it ingame.

[@Shhmoke]

The game lore is cringe

[@deltaproto]

honestly game modes similar to article 5 to show off different "normal" operations the operators go on would be great, because a high class high level org such as rainbow wouldnt be the *only* people fighting a threat as big as deimos alone, and rainbow would be sent on countless CT missions everywhere that can be turned into small PVE events to show how much a *worldwide* CT team they are

[@nigle_homeless1761]

It’s a nice attempt of a defence but even with added context the story is still a bit silly stupid I’m sorry

[@acatstudios8853]

They should just retcon the crowd being there as something the operators felt in their minds, I could see them having a lore video where one of them s talking about harry and the stadium and saying how it felt like it was a sport with crowds of fans or something

[@tumypok1011]

Ah yes 9 years of history only to come to a villain that is supposed to represent the community and say "Well this sucks". And what? We got a villain supposedly worse than white masks? Where's the counter-scaryrists part of that? What, the villain now kills only the special ops? The whole point of rainbow narrative now is that "We must stop him till he kills more of our operators". What happened to civillians? That's just what shooters came to be: Super heroes in SWAT uniforms. "HE-HE WHEN I'LL KILL ALL THE OPERRRATORS THE WORRRLD WILL BE MIIINE"

[@Flapjck]

I understand why most people don’t like the stadium lore but I enjoyed it. Imo the gadgets were already getting out there and stuff like kali using a sniper doesn’t make sense so i just enjoyed the cinematics that came with it The whole nighthaven thing seemed a bit too drama driven but again I enjoyed the cinematic so yeah. Either way i chalk up both to Harry’s mistakes, hence why he splits them into groups leading themselves.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

it was done poorly, it could've just been an abandoned stadium that they trained on that was recorded and monitored by rainbow executives/employees to improve tech/strategies. but instead it turned into real life esports

[@Jay-wc8xm]

One good way to connect lore to gameplay is to give client side only opponent skins. I.e. opposing operators would dress like they're from Deimos's faction but only from the player's point of view.

[@Penguin-wm7cf]

Not quite the same, but if you're interested in what is essentially the real life version of the whole Stadium thing, the 'UAE SWAT Challenge' has police and security forces from around the world competing against each other in front of the public.

[@Cornmanism]

This lore sucks because nobody dies, only non operators which is lame, Idc about white masks or even plot at this point cause the amount plot amour every character has is crazy.

[@gen8901]

His joke about being a Copper rank in a previous video definitely hinted at himself being a Copper rank lore guy

[@xyiux]

I feel like operation vector glare was kinda useless since the only reason they needed the guy was for his blueprints and for him to get them inside

[@soulishere3869]

9:43 so the problem with the idea of her Recruiting form rainbow is that these Operators would have to wait till their Military contracts are up. Since most nations don't just let their soldiers quit. Plus most won't let them take their Secret government tech with them 😂

[@dethgnome]

I was on your side until you called Siege a, 'Highly functional multiplayer game."

[@Wake.Up.]

Compared to current shooters out rn😂 I can fairly confirm this to be true

[@dethgnome]

@@Wake.Up. as much as I hate Valorant, Siege pales in comparison. Siege has the destruction engine, but the gunplay of siege fundamentally does not work. I use shadow play to clip deaths and kills all the time, and you'll see AT LEAST once a game you'll die or get a kill without ever actually putting your reticle on an enemy.

[@Wake.Up.]

@@dethgnome I've seen a bunch of pro tournaments in valorent clips that tell me otherwise. But the fact that seige is still going strong although being an 8 year old game is commendable

[@dislogistics9168]

the point of the video isn’t to “pick sides”💀

[@dethgnome]

@@Wake.Up. Oh I'm sure Valorant has the same problem too, but for Siege it's EVERY match.

[@zerg6001]

Of course kudos thinks the lore works, his whole channel is based off of theorizing bad siege lore

[@Grusken19]

His channel doesn’t revolve just around lore, and even then it’s a subjective thing, you don’t have to enjoy the lore or think it’s good.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

​​​@@Grusken19 It's what made his channel take off though. He even titled the video "R6 Lore guy Reacts to "The Worst Lore in Modern Gaming". So the point stands that he's of course going to defend the lore since it's what built his career on KZbin, regardless of whether it's good or not.

[@thomasvalenzuela720]

I want to see a want mask event driven event. Kinda like an outbreak event. But white mask centered.

[@333dae]

While the Stadium era was off, I do like the talking heads showing off the character's personalities, if only we got that but in a different context

[@Pajemmy]

I'm sure this video called "The Worst Lore in Modern Gaming" will have nuanced and good faith takes.

[@mmkanashiro]

simplify lore can make any game looks bad, the last of us for example: joel gets the job of delivering a girl for a group, they get to the meeting point and nobody was there, his friend tess dies and he continues his mission, he finds his brother and continues his mission, he finds the group and decides to kill every one and make all his journey meaningless

[@mr.reptar]

Ikr imagine doing this to a game like assassin’s creed💀 guy dressed in white with a hood doesn’t like other guy in a white lab coat, goes back as his ancestor to find a glowing ball and then the glowing ball starts killing😂 everyone

[@jointfreeman3971]

@@mr.reptarthe only difference is every assassin‘s Creed is the exact same game with different paint. It’s the same shit through and through. Siege lore was always horrible after white mask bc they had no intention of building apon it

[@mr.reptar]

@@jointfreeman3971 idk about that one dawg maybe the most recent but Altair and Ezio had actual lore that is the foundation, other than AC origins which shows Amunet making that more believable than whatever tf Valhalla did. You can’t really bag rainbow that hard they definitely take a fat L for the dumb esports tie in but lore definitely wasn’t on their mind, or maybe it was just a series of unfortunate events for ubi and said Fuc it we ball and did what they did for deadly omens.

[@jointfreeman3971]

@@mr.reptar that I know for sure but again it isn’t any real story telling it’s just the same thing through and through. Did u ever stop and think how these people random humans gain the ability to scale buildings and kill the way they do without any effort? Whats the lores answer? ALIENS LMAOO it’s bad man

[@Celene1312]

imagine hundreds of thousands playing a game that's about oil and slapping augmented people that justifiably rebel against the completely corrupt goverment of earth

[@Pikernik]

Reason I loved the chimera event was because it was portrayed as a serious event. Not some goofy whatever this was in the stadium and Harry. They are supposed to be counter terrorism units. The best of the best. Not goofy characters

[@MalcadorGaming]

As much as I hate to admit it i think hes mostly right besides the weird talon comparisons. Siege just isnt as interesting as the other games in the series or even other titles like splinter cell. It doesnt help this game has most of the plot out of the game which i find to be lame whenever its done

[@gcdubscal8520]

I also take massive issue with the handling of Deimos as a villain. He's hyped up for what? Like a year? Then is captured IMMEDIATELY at the start of the next year, it's absolutely stupid that the BiG bAd EvIL gUY is just dumpstered immediately. I am of the opinion that the stadium can work... through the eye of the spectators being other spec ops units being able to support their country and operators and learn from them in a more "relaxed" setting

[@SilverDwarven]

It's not immediate tho. He's escaped them a few times, including when he jumped out of a cargo plane because Brava chose to save Capitão over capturing him

[@theretroaiden2107]

I hope for more darker theme in rainbow six siege .. would be surprising to learn more

[@crusader7eth163]

I would absolutely love it if other Ubisoft games were connected someways like how now splinter cell is definitely in siege world and so I’d like to hope that in the next splinter cell maybe some information is dropped about rainbow or that story or maybe even an operator appearance. I’m thinking Ubisoft doing an MCU with the spec ops games but not ruining it. I think it could be insane if siege got lore in other games.

[@jumpingmoose5554]

A really cool direction for rainbow lore/future games could take place after blacklist, involving the 139 or so countries that sadiq said was willing to go to war against the u.s. that could go on for years having rainbow sort that mess out with a ton of consequences depending on how severe a decision was made.

[@kingjom5651]

I disagreed with that video until the new comic came out

[@marcusorban2439]

We dont even know, what the ending of that comic implies. Im very much interested into what Ash is planning as I very much doubt that she would be fooled by Deimos that easily

[@kingjom5651]

@@marcusorban2439 the writing is pretty clearly on the wall, there setting up a Deimos redemption arc and in the process ruining all the good lore from the last year

[@tradingflame4718]

​@@kingjom5651you're either slow or joking... It's clearly a set up and there is no "redemption" gonna be happening for deimos.

[@kingjom5651]

@@tradingflame4718 i sincerely hope your right, that’s definitely not the vibe I got tho

[@enenrax]

​@@marcusorban2439Ash being stupid and replacing Harry in this regard. She didn't learn anything from Nighthaven.

[@xyiux]

Harry was the true villan of r6

[@ApparentlyChad]

I actually think the more recent lore being rainbow actually taking down villains is waaaay better than the stadium arc. I’ve been more compelled to look up the lore than I was before. The one problem I have with it is that it’s not directly present in game all the time. Plus I’m not that interested in reading the comics. I kinda want Ubisoft to make a siege anime lmao

[@krimzonknight]

personally i always felt like the audience in the Stadium vid were people who went to a "gaming event" under false pretenses. Like i always assumed that Harry had, like, advertised the event under a cover story, claiming it was all some kind of evolved tier airsoft/lasertag style competition event, and had instructed the operators to not hold back, but to keep to their cover of "its all a game". but anyone that showed up to the event, who SHOULD have known the truth, WOULD have known, because behind the scenes it was showing Rainbow off to the world, like you said in the vid, just not to general public. (Ie, if like, the President was watching or something he wouldn't be rooting for his favorite player like the average audience member, he'd be saying "hmmm, this team is quite good." etc etc etc) idk if that makes sense to anyone else, but its always been how i explained away to myself. lol.

[@autismrizzard]

You certainly cleared a lot up but I think Siege's lore is just kinda trash anyway. Don't get me wrong most of it is cool but it's so overshadowed by the poor parts that most people don't care and chose to just play the game

[@Ryocniel]

I like the lore, but the new comic is really... eh. Most of the ops wanna see the life drained out of Deimos' eyes. Having him train with them (indefinitely, even?) just feels wrong

[@kingcthulhu1716]

Iamlufa is pretty much spot on for the first part of the lore until stadium, and kudos is right with stadium mainly sucking due to it having a crowd and it being heavily tied to esports. Lufa is still right with Harry being a tool for the devs making story changes and it is a part of the bad writing of siege. The "small details" kudos mentions about the mission of nook getting caught is all bad story telling, the point lufa made was that on a camera, she had been found. What her identity is or grims use of force for info isn't what lufas talking about, and this same problem is all over the lore. Some things in this lore could have been changed like the purpose of stadium and nothing else would change chronologically but the story would have been better, the same can be said for nook being replaced with literally any other operator and it still would make sense and be a better story, the writing is bad, but it's because it's lazy, not necessarily because the devs are trying to ruin it or for political reasons yet.

[@deadshotruby6667]

I thought at first that the tournament audience was fake. At least when they first introduced it. But i guess it was real the whole time? It's honestly a confusing mess. I have no idea what the Devs were thinking.

[@Me_Myself_Maly]

I don’t really play R6, so take what I’m about to say with a giant pinch of salt. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to want PVP and PVE in the same game. We’ve seen what happens when Ubi tries to branch out PVE into its own separate game. And games like Destiny have been pulling it off (with varying results) for years. So if they’re gonna stick with Siege, why not bring on a separate dev team to focus on PVE content? They already have the tools and platform to host it. Especially since they’ve already done PVE stuff before. So they have the systems like the AI, already made. But I guess you could argue that it would be a lot of resources used. And that they probably wouldn’t turn a profit unless they made it paid DLC. Which most people realistically wouldn’t buy.

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

they have removed a lot of support for AI from siege. the new AI is built from the ground up. hopefully it stops hackers from taking advantage of things they never should have.

[@freddyalcaraz6156]

You keep saying that there are little things within the lore that the original video seems to miss out on or skip entirely. But that’s the POINT, to the casual fan, the lore isn’t worthwhile getting into because of how bad it is. No one wants to know the nitty gritty of your story if your story is bad to begin with

[@kreozero5312]

Really nailed it with this comment. This video is corny for trying to defend such surface level “lore” that no one pays any attention to

[@Wizkid_Utopia]

You ever wonder if the Stadium was also the cause of dissemination between Rainbow and Nighthaven? Or was that the year after?

[@someguy2347]

The people who hate on the stadium actually overlook the fact that stuff like that is held in real life. I believe last one was in the emirates with over 30 countries

[@solisholder]

so glad im not the only one pulling my hair out over this video

[@vp7877]

Buddy you really got to read the Operation Originium dust collab event

[@Jir33n]

Dude got a duffel bag 💀 candy cartel

[@grounded-jump0]

i was thinking of you when i watched this video

[@EmperorRacoustic]

No tv show or movie that has multiple seasons/sequels will be perfect writing wise, they have to change bits to fit the narrative. Writers are human and will make mistakes, they forget things and add subtle changes. Here's an example. In How I Met Your Mother, Robin tells Ted in Season 1 she was never good at sports and gave a heartfelt speech to him, yet later in the show. We found out her father wanted a boy and she played Peewee Hockey. Anyway, Siege is a 10 Year + game where they add so they don't have a story driven arc, its like Kudos said it's in battle passes and comics ECT. Also they had to find a way of adding all these operators to the game that made sense, Such as Sam Fisher. I started playing Siege in 2016 and I never knew there was a lore for years I just played but when I found out I was invested, its unpredictable and keeps you thinking what will happen next, I think Deimos is going to join Rainbow not as a member but they use him for the dirty work, things the others aren't going to do. hes their gun and they use him, For all we know, Deimos was working as a pawn for a much worse person. maybe the mastermind behind the White Masks or even someone new. Ubisoft have a habit of linking games, We have Splinter Cell in Siege and there was a Siege mission in Ghost Recon Wildlands. These games are all under the Tom Clancy banner and can be linked as we've seen. Maybe there's something coming that links the game more and Deimos is just the beginning. Sorry for the ramble it's 01:00 and i'm on a night shift..

[@nagiaoe2434]

Breaking bad

[@Ghost_2k]

Warzone got a coherent story during mw2019, bocw, and seasons three to six of mw2, everything fitted with the theme and settled things, and warzone is a game as a service

[@noobsaibot6482]

Let's be real, it is filler and nonsense. Siege's lore is poorly written post 2019