Me vs Okina Matara (HSiFS Extra Boss)

[@LushieTilde]

To be honest I like Junko as a character and the idea behind her spells, but the attacks ZUN decided to give her are just so... boring. ESPECIALLY in the extra stage. Her bossfight starts with her firing a single ring every few seconds, as a stage 6 boss...

[@timmyreobed5043]

@@gansta432 Still boring and not very fun. Gameplay always comes first, and sacrificing that pillar of game design results in bosses like Jasper Batt Jr.

[@lizzie1562]

i mean junkos ability is to “purify” things so you’d probably expect simple danmaku

[@LushieTilde]

Oh wow it's weird seeing this pinned and hearted after randomly seeing this video again. I was really new to Touhou at the time and have warmed up to Junko a lot since then, although I still think her non spells and especially her extra stage (why is she even in the extra stage to reuse 2 nons and dump 2 lame spellcards?) could have been done better. Replace all nons with something more fun to dodge and cut her from the extra stage entirely and she actually isn't that bad anymore.

[@NaviJ98]

Yeah but because it is LoLK stage 6 that is basically a guaranteed hit every few seconds

[@ihaveadream7858]

@@LushieTilde As Marisa said, magic (may include danmaku) must be colorful, and the most beautiful danmaku wins. Junko doesn't really give two shits about that, her danmaku is to kill (murderous intent)

[@archerist_]

oh i just realized that her title "Secret God" actually means "God of secrets" and not just some untold god. Thats why her spellcards are based on secrets and her metaphor is backdoors

[@mabelpines1533]

Ohhhhhhh

[@pokemonkarma]

hooohhhh

[@user-od9zr8qq5d]

hhooooooo

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-ffs]

hohohohhohohoohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@Orlando_Furioso]

Hamburger

[@Yatsuzume]

Nice to see that the legend himself is still alive.

[@wjsnactivist6141]

Hoping he returns for UM

[@VatiWah]

Huh.. I recall seeing this channel when looking for flandre and fujiwara plays like 4-5 years ago.

[@LoudWaffle]

3:03 if you position yourself in the centre of the circle where the enemies appear and use your Release just before they spawn, it insta-kills them all, the area-of-effect of the Release is just big enough to catch them all. It's my favourite way of handling that part.

[@meowymeowz3948]

I did the exact same thing, but instead with the bullets when they close in

[@mattage]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Junko + Koishi = Okina. Makes even more sense since one is an ex boss and one is a final boss and she is both. Amazing vid as always and keep up the good work :)

[@HyperVanilo]

Geometry Dash Edmund Also dont forget that she is a sage alongside Yukari and Kasen, you can also hear a bit from Necrofantasia in her first theme

[@mattage]

Yeah thats true. I guess shes linked to a lot of characters huh

[@battykat7086]

It's been confirmed recently that she's also the "Patron God of the Impaired." She showed up in a wheelchair, as ZUN originally wanted her to do in her Stage 6 boss appearance but didn't out of fear of backlash, because Japan treats disabled people waaaaay worse than the West does, and also because since he isn't disabled he didn't want to accidentally misrepresent disabled folk.

[@lightJason1]

Easy up on Junko the only thing she wanted to do was spread despair to the world, wait wrong series. Good to see that you're still around to show that no extra stage boss goes undefeated.

[@helfire14]

Nice to see a video from you again, Raak. Missed ya. I like the look of the annotations too, no longer restricted by youtube's colour palette. Suck on that, questionable management decisions. :D

[@raak1010]

Melon Bread Frankly I should had done this ages ago. This allows the annotations to be seen in mobile and, like you said, I'm not restricted by KZbin. Fun fact, I didn't knew KZbin discontinued support of annotations until after I uploaded the video.

[@SSM24_]

So your decision to put the commentary in the actual video itself was completely independent of YT's decision to kill annotations?

[@raak1010]

SuperSupermario24 Yep. I didn't knew KZbin killed annotations until I went and try to add one of those annotations link to link to the comment-less version of the video.

[@YoshiQuest]

A bit late to ask, but do you think it would be possible to go back to your old videos and reimplement the commentary? When youtube removed annotations, all of the helpful commentary disappeared from your older videos. I believe youtube has a new system of end screens/cards to replace them, so could you possibly redo the commentary with those, if possible?

[@raak1010]

YoshiQuest I thought YT kept annotations on old vids for posterity's sake. Well, I'm still reeling from Hurricane Maria (75+ days without electricity! USA! USA!) so I'm limited on what I can do for now. I'll see how feasible this all is later on.

[@TheWeirdOtaku]

"Sword of Seven Stars" *Miko would like to know your location*

[@GrahamChapman]

Meh, she'd probably be cool with it, considering the fact that Okina and Miko used to be old friends (though they knew each other by different names back then, namely "Hata no Kawakatsu" and "Prince Shoutoku" respectively)... Personally, I wouln't be surprised if the Shichiseiken was given to Miko as a gift by Okina. Wouldn't be the first legendary artifact Okina was the original owner of that found its way into the hands of a Touhou Project final boss... you know, 'cuz she was also the original owner of Shinmyoumaru's Miracle Mallet, back when she was known as Okuninushi/Daikokuten, the deity who saved the White Hare of Inaba...

[@TheWeirdOtaku]

r/woooosh

[@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597]

@@TheWeirdOtaku Graham is giving us facts about mythology so the whoosh might not really appropriate. Ironically your are whooshing a statement to explain things in a fiction game almost perfectly.

[@randomspartanhoe4501]

@@TheWeirdOtaku You just r/wooooooooosh yourself

[@TheWeirdOtaku]

CrabeaterTouhou 2007 Dude, the comment is over a year old. I came here to make jokes, not get schooled, just let me make my silly jokes instead of people explaining stuff I know to me. There’s no point in giving a long explaination to something that’s clearly meant as a joke.

[@Joshthepikachu2123]

Okina's first nonspell actually builds up along with the intro of her theme, did you guys notice that? Either way, I used to hate the fact she had to be an EX boss, as well as final, but what do you know, I started loving her EX fight since then. Things really do change with time.

[@Hyunkel33]

I'm a simple guy : I see an upload from my favorite Touhou runner, I click on it and watch. Awesome work as always, and always with the comments to spice it up a bit :) Yes, I like your comments. I know, I'm weird. Though you realy went all out on those frames :D

[@raak1010]

Ehunkel Thanks for the comment. I find most people do enjoy my commentary. But I aim to please. For the few that have expressed dislike for them, there's the comment-less version.

[@edcr2959]

raak1010 The only comments I remember that were disliked by most (myself included) were those cancertale references.

[@f1ju73]

return king

[@MajraMangetsu]

I wonder who ever told you that your commentaries was not not good ?! In fact I came here because of them !

[@mirumaru999]

I don't know if you figured the part starting at 3:05 yet, but I wanna share my trusted strategy. It's by no means a must-bomb part. It's actually really easy once you get it down. Start at the bottom or the top of the screen. As the enemies spawn, focus on shooting away at least one of them. That will create an opening for you to rush into the very center of the screen. Stay there and shoot away at the enemies rotating around you, until their damaku ring starts closing in on you. That's when you use a release and back away safely to the bottom or the top of the screen again. Shoot away a few more enemies as they fly away and avoid the remaining danmaku waves that shouldn't be anything too hard to deal with by now. Overall though, your run was magnificent! I definitely learned new tactics. I have beaten Okina with both Reimu and Marisa, but both times I ended up with 0-1 lives left because I suck at surviving and I always forget to bomb... >:/

[@raak1010]

MiruMaru Thanks for the tip. By "must-bomb" I meant only in this run, since I had no patience finding a working strategy. Nonetheless that's a good advice for a release strategy and I've already seen it done without release. Glad my video could help in any way.

[@FJGenso]

7 lives left :D. This extra stage, both easier in spells and easier to get livevs.

[@Yuureiki]

I would not like a god infiltrating my computer or my phone.

[@elektrolites2891]

I love you and your wonderfully witty commentary, Raak~

[@Sueiga]

HSiFS Extra Boss its basically the Final Boss saying; ''Oh!, you think we're done?, we're not done yet... kid

[@NachoCheeseDorito-Kun]

10:43 One thing *I* k ow for sure is that those Donuts are Lightish-Red!

[@JadenRockz99]

It has been a year, Master Raak. May good fortunes and lucky grazes always be with you.

[@minos_enjoyer]

I really, really want to play this game. I never really got past an extra boss, and I find these new characters very awesome. Especially Okina.

[@popcioslav]

I forgot just how much entertaining you are, gj!

[@puniyo1]

This was one of the first channels I signed,nice hes back

[@raak1010]

God of rule I'm never back. I'm constantly in hiatus whether I like it or not. Thanks for watching.

[@Univelz]

Huh Legend always be Legend, never being forgotten

[@Bai-Bau]

Glad to see you making videos again I really enjoy your videos.

[@vallar57]

Yay, Raak's run of HSiFS revenge stage! Thanks, and thanks for the cheeky commentary too.

[@clinicalobsession616]

11:20 Were you.... Were you watching Yuri on Ice before you wrote that?

[@RazanAr51]

ClinicalObsession gay

[@TalosMistake]

She is easy because you played as Raymoo. Try playing as other characters and you will face true hell. : )

[@-ArdhaniChandra]

Especially the clockwise pattern. You will start having PTSD when using Marisa as you can't catch the spellcard (time out). And the lass spellcard just force you to die in order to adjust a straight position both front and back Okina draw closer and will became even harder to dodge her attack

[@yehwat527]

Use Aya

[@peppersweetsauce]

almost every touhou game be like

[@DsiakMondala]

Because we are both crabs, jo ken poh keeps on being a draw.

[@acv620]

Well, that was fast :), great that you made another video raak

[@Wakewolfe38]

It was really cool to see you again. Now to wait a year (or two) for the next Touhou release and hope it isn't a phantasmagoria game xD

[@kuri2349]

Aaaand you just won a sub :) Also great commentary! Love your vids

[@ZaerothUrabe]

You're back!! ^^

[@raak1010]

Back is a strong word. More like temporarily doing my job here on Earth. Also, thanks for the Cirno tip. Waiting to apply English patch before tackling all other characters.

[@ZaerothUrabe]

raak1010 glad to help. I mean, you actually taught me how to play, so I guess I should pay you back ^^;;

[@Primate541]

My strategy for this stage is to use season release at key points in the stage to trivialise it, and at points where you absorb so much that your season points get mostly refunded. I'm not a great Touhou player, but this is what worked for me. 1. For each wave of enemies at 0:40, one season release at the spawn location will kill them all without any of them firing a shot, refunding your points, and getting you tons of score, way more than you would get by the normal method. 2. At the end of Mai and Satono's second spell, instead of the bomb you use. Purely to survive the last seconds to get the last bit of damage off safely. (Applicable for rushing with Reimu's homing shots) 3. For the waves of enemies at 3:04, just stay in the middle, wait for the bullets to come to you and use a release just as they get close enough. You get a lot of PIV and you only then have to move upward to dodge the enemies as they move inward, and return to the middle for the next wave. I never see anyone do this! You don't have to dodge any of the bullets in this part, it's very easy. 4. The spell at 4:54 is trivialised by sitting on Okina's head and using a release every time the green bullets converge on your location. You get tons of PIV doing this, which this early on could still make the difference between an extra extend. 5. The spell at 8:02 is trivialised by following above Okina to the left side of the screen. Stay on the left as she moves back, move downward into the left corner and season release to remove the bullets on the bottom of the screen. Just hang there until Okina comes back. This way you only have to dodge the very easily avoidable bullets from the top and not the bottom ones.

[@gaboflandre]

I've been waiting this video!

[@WishMakers]

Good to see you back with new commentary! It's how I got into playing more Touhou after all. It looks like you haven't been using releases very much. They're somewhat broken in the main game but in the Extra stage it makes the ending yin yang orbs easy. If you stay in the middle, release when the bullets are close. When the orbs come back, release again. My personal favorite setup.

[@perez_rales]

8:28 If you do a release, she'll gain a healthbar and you can shot her. :v

[@benjaminlee985]

That second set of yin-yang orbs at 3:00: Just move into the middle, drop a season release, and you'll eat most of the bullets. Easy as pie.

[@wraitsoth]

The thick ring bullets make me hungry for those coconut and caramel girl scout cookies. Caramel Delights I think they're called.

[@vincent-ataramaniko]

Yaaay you're alive my dude, much love

[@MrNoobomnenie]

About "Okina is the Hakurei God" theory. Okina Matara is based on the Matarajin, the buddhist god. I don't belive, that the BUDDHIST god can be the god of the SHINTO shrine.

[@Nieveria]

obviously zun is the hakurei god

[@homuratottle7934]

I swear shintoism is just a branch of Buddhism, no?

[@judesantos8120]

What if the Hakurei god is the fourth Sage of Gensokyo

[@GrahamChapman]

Well, I mean, Matarajin used to be conflated with the Shinto deity Okuninushi, Buddhist name "Daikokuten," which happens to be the deity that the Eientei Rabbits worship (probably because Okuninushi's the deity who saved the White Hare of Inaba)... So, you know, the situation is a bit more complicated than just Buddhism =/= Shintosim... that said, no, I don't think Okina is the God of the Hakurei Shrine...

[@GrahamChapman]

@@homuratottle7934 No, it's really not... But they've been conflated quite a bit in the past, (stuff like "this and that Shinto god is actually just another identity of this and that Buddhist god," which is a form of conflation that's highly compatible with both Shinto and Buddhist beliefs,) mostly for political reasons, so it's a pretty understandable misunderstanding.

[@Littlefighter1911]

I love it how these notifications basically mimic the old KZbin, rip.

[@TechSY730]

Something I like is the background of this stage. Now, trippy backgrounds for ex stages are nothing new (and honestly, in this game, stage 5's was probably "trippier") But here, you get to see glimpses of places _all across Gensokyo_ . Giving a good foreshadowing that this is not your usual 2hu you are dealing with. That you are dealing with someone whose scope and presence is wide and powerful. (Shame the game difficulty didn't bear this out, but *shrug* )

[@blizardninja22]

I'm lovin that Kingdom Hearts reference

[@RealityMasterRogue]

I have more troubles with narumi than I have with okina (stage 6.) rating the bosses from "best waifu to worst waifu", aunn>knife wife>eternity>mai>okina>satono>narumi the orbs at 3:20 dont hit the center of the screen until after they're set up, you can use two releases per wave and get 1.75 back without having to dodge. I can't beat okina (extra) yet but I've certainly gotten better, last time I tried to do extra was IN and I wiped before getting to mokou

[@thuphan1245]

11:19 fucking Yuri on Ice reference, damn it raak

[@monday9877]

3:32 Oh god. The boss music got intense.

[@BigYabai]

By the way, Anarchy Bullet Hell is the correct translation. It's "アナーキーバレットヘル" (Anaakii Baretto Heru)

[@jakcesleepingrn5739]

8:34 You can release season at her and she will be VISIBLE

[@franciscodavi1323]

ela parece meio normal a dificuldade ou quem sabe que nem a hecatia nao esta indo com toda a potencia total

[@Bowserian]

Thanks for the vid! As for Matara being the Hakurei god, unfortunately this is debunked in Reimu's scenario. The whole story is about Matara trying to find a new sidekick, but she disqualifies Reimu for the fact that she is the Hakurei Maiden (which, well makes sense as it would be basically stealing her from the Hakurei god and would most likely turn into a godly fight). Then again, the whole sidekick thing might just be an excuse for Matara trying to make friends so who knows?

[@raak1010]

Bowserian Yeah, I also mentioned that in the description. Only reason I'm not discounting the possibility is because, with the exceptions of oni, youkai are not known to be reliable narrators and we have gods like Suwako and Kanako doing everything they can to be untruthful and not forthcoming with their shenanigans.

[@GUMPAAful]

Bowserian Well, the real reason she cause the accdient was to see if Gensokyo was working right and if the shrine maiden was doing her job right

[@RyleyHawke]

Well this is a very pleasant surprise :)

[@bluepikmin6363]

My own strategy for Danmaku Dupion: you need a few releases for it to work. Stay in the bottom middle of the screen and release when the green bullets are about to hit you. Makes it so you don't even have to move, and all the yellow bullets have a very low chance of hitting you.

[@natz-o1x]

3:05 its a bit risky, but my strategy is going straight in the middle and releasing a couple times

[@-ArdhaniChandra]

Okina Extra lass spell card Using Reimu: Piece of cake! Using Marisa: *visible confusion*

[@ZaerothUrabe]

Btw, that moment where you stand above the PoC, can also be done with Cirno unfocused. I can confirm

[@axxuka]

You should beat Okina with other characters. Reimu is the easy mode of Okina Extra sadly this time around, and having tips + comments on characters that don't have Godly-OP-Aim-Bullets for this Extra would be nice x3 I wanna beat her with Aya just prove to myself I can beat her without the homing .-. Not Insulting your talents promise ! Without you I would have never been able to beat extra bosses >3< Beated Ran, Mokou and Suwako thanks to your videos and started tackling Mamisou and Okina (not touching Reimu for this one)

[@raak1010]

axxuka Probably going to do it for my own benefit eventually. Mainly wanted to get this out of the way asap.

[@PicochillaTH]

Whenever i see the Donut Bullets, i always think that she has an actual Donut addiction

[@samoyuh766]

**Junko PTSD**

[@UmbrakineticMusic]

Raak, we missed you :)

[@extrnalsorce4974]

Pain... this is why I fight.. *- Raiden, to some weird wind guy*

[@sinom]

4:46 Ok I believe you.

[@rubytripod]

7:14 go up and the laser also goes up

[@lucadascalu5727]

At the rearface's dark sarugaku, you can bomb or release to be able to hurt the boss! :)

[@majorgnu]

Protip: if you position yourself just right above a boss character you can hit them with all of your shots, including your non-homing forward shots. Get a feel for it in spell practice.

[@okguy167]

I capture Crazy Back Dance in a similar way you do, but I release my season when I'm about to get hit.

[@tonick2208]

TIP FOR KYOGEN: If you manage to get above okina befor she starts shooting, and stay there until the red orb bullets target you, you can beat her before the counter clockwise part 😊

[@remixtheidiot5771]

You can cheese the yin yang orb sections by standing in the middle and releasing as they spawn.

[@Faust227]

Nice video! i enjoyed watching it! The reason i didnt enjoy the hecatia duel its because you continuously spam the same "determination" joke from undertale, dont take me wrong i played and enjoyed undertale (undine battle its my fav) but there is more than determination in that game. And i always put the comments ON because i like your sense of humor (except in hecatia explained above) and your strategy explained, i normally fights extras alone but when i cant i watch your videos to learn how to beat them. I hope see a future upload. PD: I beat Okina with Cirno and i can say okina is the easiest extra of the saga.

[@raak1010]

Faust227 Glad you enjoyed this video and that I can help providing strategies to beat the stage. As for the Hecatia video, don't get me wrong, I like Undertales and I know there's more to the game than that. Hell, the little snippets about determination that appear everytime you save (which is what I was referencing more than the determination itself) are not even my favorite quotes in the game. But I'm a sucker for running gags and I liked that one from Undertales. If you pay attention there are multiple videos where I pick a joke and use it over and over with different variation, (Raiko's "puns" and Lilith's "Spiritia's Holy Quest" comments in RKS come to mind ). Guess the UT one simply didn't click with you. And that's OK.

[@kirbycosmico7]

Playing this extra stage as Marisa is extremely painful

[@patche251]

her very last spell looks fun but i know for a fact im going to die immediately if i tried it

[@Fenrishidishi]

I see one of the reasons why okina n yukari's related Black bullets.

[@Kunnoc]

"Rear shots of betrayal"

[@Bravidunno]

4:42 Approved by Ansem the Wise

[@Combust90]

I don't know if this is intendet, but you can shoot that survival spell down, if you use a release when the laser hits you.

[@Ginger_Hrn]

6:47 Actually "Dukha" or simply "Dukh" is a hindi word which translates to sadness or suffering.

[@momokun90]

Is that Yuri On Ice!!! I see on the annotations? Btw, nice to see you posting vids again Raak. Been missing on the commentary.

[@Yozoru]

A tip for the midboss : you can "shotgun" the two first spells by using a release while you're very close to either of the servants. If you do so, you will clear the spells without dodging anything. It works with any character, even Cirno (who has an extremely powerful shot at point blank).

[@Yozoru]

For the laser fairies coming from the bottom of the screen : you can micrododge everything at the top while using your release to get a huuuge amount of points. You'll probably need to bomb when the fairies get too close but it's worth it :)

[@brunobaia7898]

Right before Okina, when those 2 "flocks" of orbs come, put yourself in the center and use release twice One to clear the bullets and the other to kill the orbs, repeat for the next round of orbs

[@floral1092]

come on Okina, ur a sage.... i so heard Okina went harder on stage 6

[@randomspartanhoe4501]

Anarchy Bullet Hell kinda look like Barrier "Boundary of Life and Death" tbh

[@tonick2208]

Ya know Not to lecture an awesome player like you But most of the ying yangs could be bested by a simple release And it would refill immediately after use

[@Bravidunno]

This extra theme sounds like Last Remote just for the calm piano during the midboss. You can use subs instead of videomontage can't you ?

[@raak1010]

You mean subtitles instead of the annotations thingy on the right side? If so, not really. Even if we ignore the flair doing the annotations add, the amount of information I tend to add into them would be bothersome to read as subtitles. Also, I can have multiple annotations in multiple places (mainly one running for the entirety of a spellcard with the translated name) that I couldn't have with subtitles. I do expect people to pause the video and read those if they are interested. They are not meant to work as voice commentaries. They are meant to provide a more throughout insight (as well as some humor) than I (as a non-native english speaker) could ever hope to achieve with spoken commentaries. And if people don't like them, they can either go and watch the comment-less video I also uploaded or just find another youtuber closer to their taste.

[@Bravidunno]

Backdooring = Seija PTSD.

[@Bravidunno]

@@raak1010 9:31 Man of culture I see. Amongst EX final spells I would put Suwako's as the easiest.

[@bluepikmin6363]

Being Okina is suffering.

[@kangyilim5346]

Raak! You're alive! Even if you don't really continue uploading videos, it's still nice to see this! I was wondering if you would make anything for Touhou16. I'm glad to see your uploads. Have you been busy with life?

[@raak1010]

Kang Yi Lim I've been busy with life. That and I'm (unsuccessfully) trying to take my backlog.

[@miracleoracle9685]

"Look kid, if there's a thing I want to be since a long time ago, that is to win at this game while giving ****ty comments about the game I praised the same way a year ago." But, hey! You're back. No, I never think your commentary is annoying. It spice up thing a little bit (maybe, a lot). And the fact that it is there gives me a different impression regarding the game wholly. Although, I can see the subtle change in your commentary, I kinda feel it, but I don't know which part it is. Hey, you've grown up aren't you? As always, waiting "Me vs..." will be on my schedule again. Thanks for the short 12 minutes in my life.

[@TheGreenManThom]

she was on the easy side since most of her spells are mind fucks. That's not a bad thing though. I really liked this one

[@youdonotcare]

Okina Mataraa! It means "Backdoor of death!" Okiiinnaa Mmmaaaaaa...... Tttttttttaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaa!!!!

[@alicemargatroid6758]

kingdom hearts refrence at 4:44

[@chanhien4000]

I do enjoy commentary on touhou walkthroughs. (yes I suck at the game and need strats)

[@tonick2208]

Murasa's last spell is a harder, more bullshit version of Ran's Princess Tenko spell

[@et851]

ufo extra starts with rng

[@MajraMangetsu]

Sword of the Seven stars is also a Yu gi oh card.

[@Nishalaby]

pick a door

[@aloysiuskurnia7643]

That hatred towards junko is so thick tho XD

[@desycrober]

Imagine Standing

[@renanomiko7661]

so much trashtalk to Th15 :o

[@yuwyu4841]

Im not a good player so every stage 4 difficulty spike catches me off a little, but the one in this game and in th7 are just really unpleasant

[@ROBORACCOON64]

it seems that okina is ex and st6 because she is a coward and when you win the battle she just sends you back by a backdoor to the season that you were collecting, so the ex sub shot its actually that you're playing with boundaries of seasons, leading to the 5th season, so that way, theres no back door to that station, idk if i explained well but its something like that

[@raak1010]

Gatoduende That's about correct. I read the actual plot after finishing the video.

[@brunobaia7898]

Not exactly, Okina says that the main characters were the ones who ran because they panicked when Okina absorbed their Sub Seasons.

[@nico1520]

I am Kawaii That was Okina's way to try to confuse the main characters, but, in reality, she cheated on her fight. (Actually, she never uses her entire power, She's a goddess, anyway, she probably could kill in you in seconds).

[@ROBORACCOON64]

btw the coward part was meant to be a joke

[@GUMPAAful]

Gatoduende Well, the 5th season doesn't matter, she have the power to do it again even if you have the power of the 5th season, she was just testing you and she wasn't using her full potential, she isn't a coward , she send you back to see if the Hakurei Shrine Maiden will come back to solve the incident ( probably , that's my theory)

[@youkaiphoenix4236]

Yeah, I definitely think the older games were harder than the newer ones to some extent.

[@crustacean78]

Definitely not touhou18 tho, unless I kinda suck. I beat 15 11 and 12 but 18 was a pain in the ass