Race Bias in Hiring: When Both Applicant and Employer Lose (Podcast)

In a groundbreaking study, sociologist Devah Pager showed that being Black hurts an applicant's chances of being hired just as much as a felony conviction. What do decisions based on gut instincts mean for the survival of a business?
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[@libertylowman]

I am actually white, but my name is seen as a "Black name". I have walked into interviews where they literally said they were expecting a Black person. It has ABSOLUTELY affected my job search at every level.

[@zimrah4837]

I am white too and was told they had to hire a minority. Rasim is live and well.

[@demsticks4771]

@@zimrah4837 y’all white people always try to switch it up

[@str8coach880]

@@zimrah4837 There's always someone that brings up a situation where a company has to fulfill a so called quota. Give me a break. Pails in comparison to the racial bias that minorities experience. So spare me this one off experience. I mean really.

[@Babygirllivecam]

Ignorant asf

[@ChipChap-p2j]

​@@zimrah4837racism against minorities is way more rampant for God sake your white race is 74% of America

[@incubus_the_man]

I've worked for a company that had almost no black people in management. The employer in question was located near a historically black college in a city that has a 35% black population. Nearly all of the employees at the bottom working as temps were black....

[@biancalord488]

Which company?

[@incubus_the_man]

@@biancalord488 it was a distribution center for a retailer.

[@biancalord488]

@@incubus_the_man thank you

[@thatgui88]

That's 😔

[@death24314]

Fucked up

[@eduardomaldonado1647]

sure sucks when someone who is clean of crime is ranked the same as a criminal just because they are black or brown in color.

[@tann_man]

I agree. Brown people should do less crime. Problem solved

[@brandonwilliams4429]

The hiring committee needs to start being held accountable for discrimination, this isn’t anything new.

[@qineonmorame]

America has generations of ignorance.

[@surfsideRox]

I think there is something here. I have worked in Tech in the Bay Area and I’ve noticed at some of my prior jobs. Just walking past conference rooms full of white men with the exception of few minorities and women. I challenge these huge tech companies to release their hiring data relating to race and gender...

[@surfsideRox]

@Johnny Ringo Um ok… sdtimes.com/softwaredev/theres-a-diversity-problem-in-the-tech-industry-and-its-not-getting-any-better/

[@thatgui88]

Yeah I think they really don't want minorities to take their jobs. I don't know why they dont bc these tech companies are always virtue signaling that they support minorites yet when it comes to actually getting these minorities into high paying jobs they don't give it to them :( sad

[@wtf-qr3vq]

They wont

[@thatgui88]

There are also productivity issues, someone with a low socioeconomic status has less productivity compared to someone who comes from a high socioeconomic status. After all the protest and virtue signaling from tech companies. I don't think it is going to happen.

[@tann_man]

Since 2020 94% of new hires in fortune 500 companies have been non white

[@hipnetwork4483]

Having tattoos all over the face and arms and still getting corporate jobs but they want to sit and police the way people wear their hair gtfoh😂

[@wtf-qr3vq]

Racists they would rather we have a nazi skinhead at the front desk than a black person who refuses to sell their soul

[@tann_man]

When group A commits violent crimes at a rate 6x higher than group B and the only known or distinguishing information is the group an applicant belongs to who would you hire? The applicant from group A or the applicant from group B? The first applicant could be amazing and the 2nd could be terrible but when there's nothing extra to go off of you are actively choosing a losing bet.

[@tann_man]

The solution? Allow or even facilitate for more granular information. You lose out on catching exceptions to the rule without individual information. Its always more advantageous to make decisions concerning individuals based on their individual data rather than relying on generalized group statistics.

[@StoriesOfTony]

@@tann_manfacts brother

[@chriszablocki2460]

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[@ToddJohnstonXTSales]

I was working on a GED and was scared I may not pass so I thought I might get a smart friend help me to help me cheat to ass so I asked him , His response was, would you be okay with knowing you really didn't achieve this on your own like your not smart enough to do it, just like people who get jobs because they are Black as if blacks were no smart enough. He help me study and I passed on my own And yes I felt proud of myself. By the way my friend was black . Later I asked him about this reverse discrimination thing. He said he refused to apply at a job the gave him special treatment or consideration because he was black as if he was not smart enough. Then he said just like I said to you Todd if I helped you cheat to pass you would never know if you could do it on your own. so he wasn't taking the easy hand out job because he was black because he would always wonder if his color got him the job or his ability. Then He said it's a matter of Integrity and pride

[@Grandmas_Favorite]

I absolutely think this video is interesting... I 100% believe some employers are racist. That being said of course an employer is going to choose a person with a squeaky clean background over a felon... Also yes you can teach these applicants to answer questions the same but you cannot teach them all to act the same. Thought impossible, I Would love to see videos of their interviews to see if some people come off as more likable, etc. Edit: We also need to see variables on this study... How many applicants, what names were used, how they choose these names.

[@AntiMasonic93]

There have been Black applicants with clean criminal records who were denied employment. On the other hand, White applicants with records who applied for those same positions were offered employment. Crazy!

[@death24314]

@@AntiMasonic93 the world is fucked up. That's I think black people need to start their own business

[@wtf-qr3vq]

No fool.it has bees shown that whites would rather hire a white person with a felony than vlacks without them

[@AdventureNa]

Looool. As a white male who is 34 years old (aviation) i never put white. I use American Samoa /pacific islander, Hispanic or black to INCREASE my chances of getting hired. However im to scared too put female.

[@AdventureNa]

I just filled out another job application. This time for Delta Airlines as a mechanic and "Pacific Islander" because they get preference in this industry

[@incubus_the_man]

I doubt that doing this would actually effect your chances of getting hired. Companies ask for your race in those surveys for legal and statical reasons. It's proves that they are accepting application from people of all different races. And it shows the demographic information of the applicants. In most cases that data isn't looked at during the hiring process. And it is usually separated from the job application.

[@MrSivram28]

You're still white when they meet you in person. Stop denying white privilege.

[@AdventureNa]

When they meet me in person I am usually already hired and it's my first day

[@ikennauzoegwu3231]

I’m pretty sure when they see the name Preston Dnrek they are thinking oh this man is definitely Samoan lol stop the cap.

[@RallyRat]

What a great experiment!

[@JoshVonhauger]

it all boils down to the perceived language skills. if you can not communicate with your customers you have to hire those that can. ebonics is a problem it is holding down black America like a chain around its neck. the sad thing is black America thinks its culture and in reality, its programming is designed to keep them separated.

[@AntiMasonic93]

Some White and Latino employers deny Black applicants before even hearing their voices though. At this point, they don't know what the Black person's voice sounds like e.g. speaking ebonics or good English.

[@incubus_the_man]

I don't think that's just it. I know that many African Americans can speak proper American English and many code switch to match the environment they're in.. Try speaking to random young black people or watch KZbin videos and you'll notice that they do tend to speak clearly. They usually tend to speak more slang to their peers than random people. The real problem is that they just aren't being hired regardless of their past. Black college graduates tend to be twice as likely to become unemployed after graduating from college.

[@incubus_the_man]

@@AntiMasonic93 "ghetto" and Spanish names are a dead give away.

[@mechanicaltypewriteroperat9885]

I’m so sick of this crap. If you are applying for a editorial position maybe however there are many sweeping generality writers who do not understand the problem in details nor do they understand specialized vocabulary, acronyms, abbreviations, jargon and etc. Personally I rather have someone who get the analysis correct but write in slang vs. prefect second class British English grammar known as American English who writes in overall picture. WHAT YOU WRITE SHOWS WHETHERS YOU TRULY ARE AN EXPERT.

[@mechanicaltypewriteroperat9885]

Lastly in the modern world there are many ways to communicate, graphs, flow chart, systems, education videos and pictures so only using American English characters just show how inferior your organization in making operating manuals. Feels free to steal from multinationals operating all over the world their manuals are much more superior with quality don't waste my time information. They even have computer based training, advance expert system, kiosks, and etc.

[@shazam3458]

Facts

[@zaptowee6625]

Interesting information, I'm going to be hiring about 20 part timers across the country as in expanding my business. In the end, I'm going to go with my gut instinct as that's served me well so far, however I'm not going to factor race into that for the most part. Obviously if they have a silly sounding name its probably a sign of another culture. But providing they are culturally the same, & from a personality level I could be their friend then I dont care what they are. I just want good English speakers who have the same values as myself. Bonus points if their Christian or Jewish.

[@spencerjonesvo3973]

Can you clarify what you mean by "silly sounding names?" What makes them "silly?" You have bias of your own you might want to unpack.

[@scholarlyanalyst7700]

@@spencerjonesvo3973 Yeah, he's filled with prejudice and doesn't even realize it. He definitely strikes me as one of those with the unconscious bias spoken of in the video. He just doesn't realize it (hence, unconscious!).

[@ecthelion1735]

Why bonus for Jewish?