Rachel Held Evans and the Evangelical Crisis with Anne Kennedy - The Alisa Childers podcast #50

[@rbee2150]

I’ve heard about RHE but frankly listening to this podcast she sounds refreshing and delightful. I have intended for a long time to read her book biblical womanhood and now I am going to do so.

[@carltonvaughn2414]

Waste of time. In the day of judgement you may be told "when the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch"

[@Joy2theWorld369]

I just began reading it ❤. So far so good 👍

[@jerilowehowell6015]

​@@carltonvaughn2414 True that. People will love it because it tickles their ears but Truth is not to be found there.

[@debraburton4594]

Thanks Alisa and Anne. It takes dedication to the Lord to 'speak the truth in love' which we must do if we want to wash away deceit with the Word of God!

[@cooljams_jams]

Tactful and graceful. Telling my friends about this podcast.

[@mchristr]

It's tragic when someone turns their pain into a false theology, rather than letting proper theology salve their pain. The Gospel is not primarily therapeutic but rather about reconciliation of sinners to God. That God would begin to heal us is a byproduct, not an essential.

[@stevetucker5851]

I have no idea why people held (no pun intended) Rachel Held Evans up as some sort of brilliant theologian and intellectual. She didn’t even have any formal training in biblical studies. She was simply a layperson giving her own personal opinions on the Bible.

[@kevinevans8892]

And was downright heretical also

[@mackinm00se]

Cool, Steve. Very cool. You’re so cool. How cool of you.

[@annabell7524]

MK here as well. Definitely buying Rachel's book now!

[@cheryleverett2318]

This is very informative. Thanks for revealing what the current teaching/trends are in the church. Every age seems to have them and new thoughts and leaders of aberrant teaching appear every 20 years or so with a new spin on old deceptions. It’s an infection plaguing my church I think.

[@incelticknots]

Thank you for this. Reminded me that it is dangerous for us Christians to remain in a denominational bubble and never see what is going on in the rest of the body, because when a virus is devastating a different member, we will not recognize it when it comes knocking on our own door.

[@josephbuell963]

Can you imagine writing in your blog that “you hope Rachel accept Christ in her final hour.”? The audacity to lower the God of the universe to such a small minded claim. Rachel may have had a difference in theology but she always claimed Christ as her savior. She was loving the same God wrong in your statement and was brave enough to making herself vulnerable and transparent during her season of questioning. I didn’t agree with everything she has to say and I was still able to receive from her.

[@carltonvaughn2414]

If she didn't repent, she's eternally lost.

[@beckywebb1916]

@@carltonvaughn2414I’m sure you have some things of which you need to repent. She was honest in striving to get closer to Jesus. I’m sure Jesus knew her heart infinitely more than you.

[@carltonvaughn2414]

@@beckywebb1916 she was preaching heresy and doctrines of demons

[@tylerstoltzfus3456]

​@@carltonvaughn2414 no. she wasn't.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

​​@tylerstoltzfus3456 Yes, she was. She got the Gospel wrong. It was never about our personal stories. .It's about Christ's death on the cross and resurrection. To atone for the sins of humanity which we could not atone for ourselves and make a way for us to eternally be in fellowship with and approach a holy God.

[@KristynLorraine]

She was still writing from a wounded place. Her writing struck me as angry, disappointed, cynical. What a shame she didn't live to come to a place of peace and acceptance. Her writing is frozen in time now, in that place of wrestling, and it seems there are many people who see her as having arrived.

[@AlliJonMom]

Well she's with Jesus, so I guess she has arrived... And your assessment of her writing is not accurate.

[@jamesbamford1]

God takes home men, women and children at every stage of spiritual journey. None of us are a finished product.

[@onesimuswong5149]

If Alisa doesn't read these comments and say something about the incredibly cruel and evil things some people have written here, she should simply close the comments. To allow people to use this space to spout sinful rhetoric is, frankly, inexcusable.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

What cruel and evil things? That RHE likely wasn't saved? That's just based on her theology and fruit. Was Christ "cruel" when He told people to repent or they would also perish?

[@juliemayes2027]

I also prayed for Rachel to repent because she didn’t know the true Jesus or teach Him and others saying she did is so dangerous and not true

[@Theoldmanandthesea13]

One of the comments here said RHE is in hell. First, you dont know that. Second, that's just straight up insensitive. That's not freedom of speech at all.

[@jackmahkimetas8694]

Some men delight in cruelty. The man who wrote the comment has no respect for the dead or their loved ones still here, because if he did, he'd take more heed to James chap. 3. I am totally glad that such a one will NOT decide my fate when I stand before my Creator.

[@kylemacdougall8355]

Freedom of speech includes the freedom to say mean or offensive things. If it doesn't, it's not freedom of speech at all. Imagine telling someone, "You're allowed to say whatever you want, unless you say something I don't like." That's like a government saying, "You can express any political opinion you want, unless you're critical of our country's political leaders. If you criticize us, we'll put you in jail." No sane person would call that freedom. That's repression...it's straight out of the playbook of every dictatorship in history.

[@Theoldmanandthesea13]

@@kylemacdougall8355 but there’s also abuse of freedom. So if people are just going to say what they want and however they want, that’s freedom exercised wrong.

[@kylemacdougall8355]

@@Theoldmanandthesea13 Agreed. Freedom can be abused, and being free is not an excuse for sinful behavior. It's fine to tell someone that what they said was wrong or that you don't agree with it (free speech includes the right to criticize the speech of others). As long as you're not using intimidation, threats, or force to stop people from saying certain things. If someone says "hate speech isn't free speech", that person doesn't believe in free speech at all, because free speech includes the right to say hateful things. Anyway, who gets to decide what counts as "hate speech" and what doesn't? The answer is: the dictators do. They're always the ones who control the definition of hate speech...and the definition changes all the time, because it's based on their convenience.

[@marianel7630]

Oh no, we can't do this 😳 leave judgement for the only Wise God who knows our hearts. We need to watch our own hearts as that is where the root of sin lies. Create in me a clean oh God 🙏

[@hobartborger5064]

Excellent!

[@helenaegbert]

Rachel Held Evans was incredible, this podcast is disappointing

[@cruzaderawaken9600]

Why?

[@Theoldmanandthesea13]

who is the "real" Jesus?

[@carltonvaughn2414]

He's the one who will come into your heart and life if you repent and ask. And he will lead and guide you into all truth.

[@daveoseas]

for those able to sidestep big questions, this video would be great. Rachel Held Evans questions and writing feel a bit life and faith saving to me. take her chapter on genocide in her book Inspired. one example.

[@carltonvaughn2414]

Did it refer to the genocide of legal abortion?

[@tylerstoltzfus3456]

​@@carltonvaughn2414 what do you think genocide means?

[@AD-gu6sr]

@6:40 the controversial(?) article by Anne Kennedy is addressed.

[@jamesbamford1]

Oh, where does one start to describe this interview? Thinly veiled religious arrogance, dressed up in soft language? I think so. What an insult to God, to suggest that God is not up to the job of redeeming all mankind, including Rachel! As if we were to know the mind of God. Well, yes, I know that is something people of various religious persuasions invoke when they want to have God on their side, and not on the side of their enemies. Honestly, it's stomach turning arrogance. Secondly, it's scarcely believable that you both could entirely miss some of the points she made in Biblical Womanhood - i.e. that the main theme was a parody of literal interpretation of the Bible. It is to hold a mirror up to the literalism of evangelicalism! Now that part was funny. Then we had the criticism of how she and Pete Enns suggested that we read the Bible through the lens of our own experience and trauma and religious background and spiritual journey - as if it was possible to read and interpret the Bible outside of this. This is of course where evangelicalism regularly does not stand up to scrutiny. The participants do not seem to recognise that there are 40,000 Christian denominations worldwide, many of them claiming to be right and the only guardians of the truth. Oh dear. It's impossible to read without a lens folks. Waken up to the reality that the world is a much bigger place than small town evangelical America, and God works her mystery throughout that world each and every day. Blessings!

[@Cocomelon_baby-gr4qg]

Amen! RHE sought after God with all her heart. It was evident in her interviews, books, and posts.

[@DJS11811]

RHE was progressive evangelical. Is that even possible?

[@carltonvaughn2414]

No

[@zachsullivan9425]

“Scripture interprets itself”??? You can’t be serious.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

It does everywhere. The OT is proclaimed and explained in the NT, Christ explained the OT and the Apostles explained OT prophecy fulfillment. This is new to you?

[@fairfaxcat1312]

I like you, Childers, but I don’t like your commercials which go on forever and forever and forever. I don’t expect to listen on KZbin commercial-free but, goodness, keep commercials to maybe twice a broadcast two minutes or less. You are losing credibility with me with these interminable commercials.

[@marcusanthony488]

Oh yeah you cant have an honest discussion witj her, she is dead..Now lets throw stones

[@stephenargent4010]

This podcast is disgrace and corruption of the message of Jesus. ‘Theologically sound’= agrees with me.

[@stephenargent4010]

Be ashamed Ms Kennedy - blogging within 12 hours of her death….

[@j77778]

Why don’t you just interview her rather than throwing rocks from a distance. And when are you going to have a serious public debate Alisa?

[@kylemacdougall8355]

Rachel Held Evans is dead. How do you interview a dead person?

[@dco8886]

Did you even listened? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@dco8886]

@@kylemacdougall8355 I laughed more that I should’ve. I feel bad now lol

[@WilliamtheWorst]

RHE's faith and ministry were all about self, not the Christ of the Bible. Our feelings don't change the fact that she is in hell.

[@tiffanycooper7646]

Disgusting comment.

[@WilliamtheWorst]

@@tiffanycooper7646 disgusting, maybe. True, yes. Rachel was a false teacher and did not know Christ of the Bible.

[@thais945]

How do you know she is in Hell? Are you God?

[@rbee2150]

Our feelings don’t change the fact that your opinion is prideful, disgusting, and violently hateful.

[@jerilowehowell6015]

​@@thais945What evidence do you have that she is not? What fruit as defined in Scripture did she present as evidence that she knew the Christ of Scripture?