Racing Against EURO PROS... It doesn't go well

[@gefloigle]

1. Always a great day to be on a bike 2. Every loss is a learning experience = good thing 3. Better to lose to the pros than to be sitting on the couch

[@harryluns]

Words to live by. 👍

[@bojowyrosomak9225]

Proś, which pros? There is no single pro in this race

[@nateboness9801]

@@bojowyrosomak9225 yes there is, pros does not mean World tour riders like Pogacar, Woods etc. You can be pro as a 16 year old unknown kid.

[@benturp3492]

@@nateboness9801 he means world tour riders

[@imoverthetop44]

I like your comment . Its unfortunate that weekend warriors think they are or could be the standard of a pro. I raced over seas for 4 years locally for over 30 years and it was so funny coming back to local cycling and racing seeing how people train. . People thing they are awesome and the reality is there NOT there average at best. They train flat out and blow past every one on the road big chain ring and flat out every were. cant climb on the small chain ring they don't train on it at all. Training is only training going flat all the time out is counter productive you leave your legs on the road. There is so much science in the sport. Riders just don't get it. They think oh yeah I'm in a team now it going to be awesome. I have watched some of the posts on weekend warriors and they are no were near the standard of a person who eats drinks and commits to the sport for a living. They use way to much energy during the ride and a race. There bike is set up poorly and most of all they have no idea how to ride and no tactics. They think i have a cool bike and its the same as the pros. The engine isn't the same neither is the mental state of mind or the nutrition. That's the difference.

[@shepshape2585]

It's not just the power that amazes me, but I'd have been dead after the first corner. At that speed, being able to take those 90 degree corners like that with huge trees right there, I'd have crashed for sure. Balls of steel and legs to match. You're still stronger than 95% of the riders out there Glenn, great race buddy.

[@freekfaro5606]

It takes getting used to. When you start young, like at 12 years old, you wouldn't know any better than this type of racing. I started at 27, much too old of course, in 1980 in the Netherlands. It took my body about two years to adjust itself to the racing. I enjoyed the criteriums for 15 seasons, and still miss it.

[@jairoalberto173]

I would love to see the power data from the guys ahead. Love the over seas videos keep them coming and thanks for creating such a great channel!

[@kursaty7226]

Me 2

[@gweflj]

Did you see the Zwift eSports worlds Race? The numbers up the final climb were absurd. Like 8-10 w/kg for 3 minutes.

[@jasonjaeger7383]

Thank you for showing a loss! Still interesting to see how they race, hope the shoulder is getting better!

[@oldetymebiker2405]

It puts it in perspective when we see Glen smashing it so regularly and these guys make him look like he’s stopped. Props to Glen for hanging in and giving us another great video 👍

[@jonathanwilson8278]

I cannot believe how much power he’s putting down while falling back on so many different occasions.

[@stafgruglnioe5122]

there were so many moments in this race where I thought he could have pushed extra 2-3 seconds to get on the wheel and save power instead of riding with higher power for 10-20 seconds with barely any draft. But I guess this is also easy to say in front of the computer not out on the track. We all know he is a beast, it's just that pros are even greater beasts:D

[@michadebicki6534]

Yup it's easy to say. I raced multiple times in EU in what you'll consider cat 4 and cat 3 level of races. Sometiimes it hurts so much that you see the gap, you know that you should push a little bit harder to conserve the energy and save the legs to get into that sweet draft zone, but not a single muscle fiber can produce a couple of watts more to achieve this task. Sometimes this is the purely because of fatigue, sometimes mental block, sometimes both of these at the same time. And I have failed this way many, many times and then a couple of minutes later I was angry at myself "I could have pushed a litte bit harder" This is a incredibly tough and painful sport after all.

[@Glashutte1111]

@@michadebicki6534 Also it hurts when you face the reality knowing there are people way way ahead of you.

[@michadebicki6534]

@@Glashutte1111 most humbling sport ever. I did two sports in my life seriously. Boxing and road cycling. Road cycling is much worse in that department imho. In boxing it rarely happens that you could do nothing in a bout/sparring or felt completely overwhelmed. In cycling it happens all of the time.

[@vkzkv]

@@michadebicki6534 @King Gant not to forget some "blood stuff" this people's are on)

[@chrisk3754]

Next level-no kidding. The surges are crazy! What power. Heads up Glen! Much respect to you. Happy waffles.

[@richardstewart5499]

I remember my first German BDR A/B/C race decades ago. What a humbling experience! Thanks for the great bids and commentary.

[@nstearns]

+1 Love seeing Glenn's race footage and your commentary. Hope you heal quickly and thanks for finding ways to create continue while on the mend.

[@andarenbici]

Love these. Why are there not more races like this in the US at parks or on golf courses?

[@burnsideisback]

My teeth kicked in by pros, drop out of race after 25 mins. Glenn's version... finish on lead lap and contest a sprint. Another level indeed!

[@mstrasser]

Glenn is human! It just took a field of legit pros to show that 😄 great race, great vid as always.

[@barbaroacosta5335]

Lol forealz. Glenn is the master of destroying races.

[@patrickprouty4415]

Glenn those guys were no joke. Watching your numbers and these guys pulling away they’re NP the first 20 min had to be incredible. I bet your race stats weren’t bad compared to your club races.

[@jakomeister8159]

Actually they won’t be that much higher. The fitness is a factor aswell but pro riders are so much more efficient than anyone else. These pro’s do corners like they’re born for it. They Get probably 1-2 seconds on Glenn every single corner and that’s where most people Get dropped.

[@eto2352]

First time seeing Glenn's face. From his voice, I imagined he looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger mixed with The Rock! LOL

[@EyZeRHD]

Omg I can't unhear it now

[@stephenguyon]

Really enjoy watching these and learning. You commentary on gear is great as well!!

[@rescavone6690]

Love all of the footage with Glenn. Keep it coming and great racing Glenn!!

[@alexbigby8047]

Glenn looks 40 years younger than the image I had created of him in my head. Great Video!

[@joef.9324]

Please detail what race this is and what category, distance etc please in your description or title. That would be helpful to know what exactly it is you're talking about. Cheers.

[@JasonDBike]

Distance is on the top right. 55k

[@JasonDBike]

He mentions some of the riders being world tour pros. So probably cat1.

[@andrew7taylor]

@@JasonDBike No, he mentions some of these riders are pros, who get dropped the same way by World Tour pros.

[@peterslegers6121]

This was at the Campus of the University of Twente. It's the Ronde van Enschede on the 25th of September 2021. KNWU (Royal Dutch Cycling Union) event 3579, for "Belofte [Under-23], Elite [23+], Professional-B (M)", part of the Viro Criterium Cup Twente. So it's specifically not for Professional-A riders. Winner Max Kroonen is part of team VolkerWessels, a UCI Continental team (VWE). The distance was 80 km (50 miles), time 1:21:43.

[@peterslegers6121]

So that's 58,74 km/h or 36,5 mph according to the results...

[@TuneSkaycer]

love all videos with glenn....i'm from brazil and have been watching you since a few years now.

[@MrKostaja]

Videos with Glenn racing are always great, keep em coming!

[@MarkMash17]

Great video. Enjoyed it. Any day on the bike is a good day. Queensland is totally flooded at the moment and the reason just won't stop...

[@michaelbradbrook9575]

Back on the bike today 🚴‍♂️ Mark and racing Sunday at Mt Cotton 😀

[@nickw6175]

The more you race the more you learn, training watts, output etc are all great tools, but the actual excitement of getting on a road-track, and racing cant be beaten, if some of my mates who " train " ever actually had the balls to compete they might find out how much of a buzz it is, even at my age, where I am never going to win the race, I compete and push myself against the guys around my speed a race within a race but still a blast

[@cityfritz2198]

Hey can I ask something regarding the recording? Obviously a normal go pro battery will not last a whole race, so how do you guys film your races? Do you just film the start and turn it off until end of the race or is there a trick? Surely you can not change the battery during the race

[@nicksubong1700]

I honk that’s what he does. He might have mentioned it during a intelligensia cup video

[@fritzpeter4044]

I think he once mentioned the use of a powerbank

[@LarryGraham7]

More of this please, and thank you.

[@BigBrownMonke]

Can we get a Glenn bike check? Thanks for sharing the video Glenn and thank you Jeff for making a video, get better soon!

[@bigwave_dave8468]

Cool video guys! I'm noticing how on the corners Glen is tending to take an inside line to gain position but that seems inefficient for exit speed. On motorcycles that would be a block pass where you're not concerned about a competitor having to brake to gain position but on bikes that would lead to much unpleasantness (i.e. crash). Meanwhile, the folks on the race line are conserving energy entering the corners. -Dave [Norcal-Nevada SJBC '81]

[@Ed-ip2sg]

This is great to watch Glen and the Europeans.

[@smallrob19]

Always more Glenn! The Dutch scene is really cool to watch.

[@TurneyUK]

Great footage from inside the race. Really interesting as always seeing how the pros do it. Keep up the good work. Thanks.

[@_cyclist_]

De Ronde van Enschede, cool! Did the same race 90 mins before you guys went mad on that course. There were soms tricky corners indeed, glad we had a slightly biggere peleton :) cool vid once again!

[@jonathanwilson8278]

Oh man, that feeling of making it to the very end and it’s all laid out for you and you just have one effort left to do to make it-but you just don’t have it

[@Timecop1983]

I've done one of these races years ago here in The Netherlands. I did some mountainbike races and thought it would be cool to do a roadbike race. BIG MISTAKE! These guys ride so damn fast on these bendy courses. It's like what Jeff said: almost flat out sprinting, braking for a corner and then flat out sprinting again right away. I had my tongue on the floor and had to quit the race two laps in. I have huge respect for crit riders now!

[@guppyitsallgood]

There a guy called Sylvain Guintoli who's a serious motorcycle racer and runs a great youtube channel. He talks in one video about minimising the periods where you aren't 100% on the throttle, or 100% on the brake. Obviously there's serious limits in applying that to cycling, considering Guintoli has an actual engine underneath him. But sometimes looking at other places and thinking in different ways can be helpful. You might not have enough gas to sprint out of every corner, but minimising the actual time spent braking before the corner, understanding how much lean and speed you can carry, and spending the time to improve those things. It can't just be watts that make those pros so damn quick, right off the first corner.

[@marcfarrelly5944]

About as close to Glenn as I am ever going to get, I am having a beer and watching cycling

[@rserton]

Every time I get spit out the back by pro riders at some local race, I think to myself - "I'd rather finish 10th and have beer & ice cream than finishing 1st and denying myself."

[@Scottcharliemurphey]

That's not how I pictured Glen.

[@nigelgittins]

Great to see. Thanks for sharing. Even in this race against pros.

[@blackflamesolutions526]

These are third tier pros ('continental') and usually study or work part time on the side, but here in NL they are really strong in these crits. I'm really curious how some World Tour riders would fare in these races. I think some of the super skinny lightweight climber guys who don't have top end speed and elite bike handling could struggle. But then some of the Dutch guys racing this fast in flat crits are too heavily built for mountains. I rode 'elite' in NL in 2008. I think I finished 3 crits in about 30 attempts. Those 1000 watt corners can take a toll after just a few laps!

[@kennethward9530]

Definitely a lot of larger riders in this race-looked like 58 and 61 cm frames all over the place

[@philipk4475]

Not every WT rider is that suited to the power demands of a crit. There are many amateur or conti level racers who can probably match a WT pro for an hour or two or set a similar 20 minute power when fresh. Where WT pros really begin to show their class is over long classics (4h+ Spring Classics) and, of course, over 3 week stage races.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

It's not something the skinny WT riders train for so not sure how to really compare. If you hypothetically picked someone out of the blue like Quintana, while he would certainly not come close to winning, I'm sure he could hang in the main pack draft throughout the race without too much trouble.

[@gweflj]

Nairo would absolutely beast these guys. It’s different gravy altogether.

[@gweflj]

@M M He would ride them off his wheel. The numbers don't lie. Look at MvdP's numbers when he won Strade Bianchi. 740w for a minute at the end of a 5hr race. 390w normalized for 5hrs, the final hour and a half at 440w. It's just total madness. Same with the w/kg of the climbers. 6+w/kg average up mountains. It's no wonder people think they're drugged up to the eyeballs. I think they probably are, but they're also aliens to begin with.

[@davekashuba4730]

Are you sure they weren't on e-bikes? My ego says that they must have been.

[@EdwindeJong0]

This was nice to see, even though you didn't get out of it what you wanted. As a student I used to live right next to this course at the University of Twente (Campuslaan), so these roads were very familiar to me. Groetjes van een ex-tukker!

[@funkydisciple]

Great video and crazy seeing the pros up close in a race and seeing what a difference there is between pros and everyone else. Something you said during the video…is the difference between pros and everyone else the amount of hours you can put in every week? I still feel cycling is a lot about good genes and perhaps these pros were just dealt a better hand. Hope I’m making sense.

[@philipk4475]

There are two important genetic factors. Natural "baseline" fitness level, and trainability of fitness. Pro endurance athletes have both of these abilities in spades. It's not merely that pros have the time to train that much, it's that they have the genetic ability to RECOVER from that much training and the genetics to elicite ADAPTATIONs to those training impulses. A back of the envelope calculation has shown that your average person off the street could achieve a 4 w/kg threshold on the bike if they gave it their all. So that's the average "peak fitness" that your average person could hope to achieve. Pros are 50%+ above that, and they can produce efforts at that level repeatedly and for longer durations.

[@Ouarzazate123]

Ofc it's all genetics. Evenepoel is the best exemple.

[@niekversteege]

I've watched only a few seconds of this video, already liked it. Weihenstephaner my man.

[@JimUe1]

these 42km/h turns on a brick road with a hard curb and trees on the other side freak me out...

[@xx765]

5:40 someone punches out of a corner and it looked like Glenn was coasting...

[@albr4]

that's the difference between carrying good speed through a corner and having a bad line. He was already 2mph slower before the guy even started sprinting.

[@dominicmutter9379]

Jeff, Do you prefer SRAM over Shimano? If so, why?

[@laverneeberly8632]

What brand of waffle was Glen eating? It looked delicious! Those were some fast guys he was racing against.

[@williamric-hansen3983]

Stroop wafel. They will change your life

[@laverneeberly8632]

@@williamric-hansen3983 thank you!

[@ironmantooltime]

This is why there's di2 dura ace. My cable 105 would drop me on the start line. Not my power obvs

[@martiesmartieparty]

This is insane, I was like: Oh a new video with a crit in Glenns hometown somewhere in the Netherlands. But then I recognised the UT Campus and im like uhhhhh I know this hahaha Enschede for life Glenn!

[@march378]

Name of Glenns channel?

[@martiesmartieparty]

@@march378 ive got no clue😅

[@irvingabbott6]

Can we please get an updated on your shoulder a plus your new bike?

[@brianford8493]

If its round it rolls chaps!

[@erbringas]

There is something i always notice when watching pros, and its true in this video too. They seem to have really low saddles for some reason. Like 10mm lower than normal. Its like theyre being fitted differently

[@EyZeRHD]

No

[@thomasbretthall]

Glenn is awesome! Heal up fast

[@NormalGuy]

How is "Pro" defined in Glenn's country? Like a Pro Am in the US? Or, international pro?

[@CM0207-e5f]

We want Glenn on Strava ... keep it coming guys :)

[@kevinreyes5135]

More Glenn please! But also, how about C2C? And how's Logan?

[@markmildorf2873]

I am pausing at 1:15 in to comment (really). I already love it. You guys can just drink beer and eat stroopwafles and talk and I'm good.

[@Lifewithaqiib]

Wow i would love to see the power data looks amazing 🔥🔥🔥

[@kenji1204]

We’re the pros in this race for big primes or large prize purse for podium spot? Early season race fitness? Why?

[@michaelbradbrook9575]

New logo Jeff! Sprucing up the brand while you're off the bike 😎

[@NorCalCycling]

Good observation! What are your thoughts?

[@michaelbradbrook9575]

@@NorCalCycling Good to change as the channel evolves, plus the other one was linked to the pizza shop. I like the use of primary colour (red) and bold lettering. I'm not sure about the banner cross hatching - it sort of just fills in space. Perhaps you could put channel sponsors to the left and right, or some things viewers might expect.

[@kenji1204]

Pros r Pros. Glenn was throwing down big power. And I can see him on the podium of most of the local races he enters.

[@cecilecorpuz5735]

Kudos to Glen! But it sounds like you're mental state wasn't there as well, as for me when I do anything! I'm all in from the get go! As for the fitness part of the Pros as mentioned, I'd say train on your bike as like a MARINE or NAVY SEAL Just when you think your done give it another 10%, train till you drop then do it again and again and again! And of course do your normal training was well! Balls to the wall! This is the way I would train my fitness and weight training class's, it was BRUTAL! At the end my students were looking good and feeling good! As the saying goes, no pain no gain! I myself I never raced even though many were trying to get me to race, I just would ride, sometimes from Sun-up to Sun-down! My rig was a custom built track bike that was converted to road! It was SUPER TIGHT AND SUPER QUICK! Many would look at my rig and say WTF is this! I also know that many PRO riders from the past such as SARONNI He would train on a Heavy bike then race on his normal race bike, Ernesto would build him 10 training frames per year, personally I will have one of these frames, it came from a very reliable source the former directeur of the 80'S PDM squad Jan Gisbers! The first time When seeing this bike, I said this is not a normal SARONNI Bicycle, Yan replied how will you know that? I said for STARTERS THE HEAVY DUTY TRACK FORKS! That's not normal for a road bike! He said That's funny, I've had this bike for well over 20 years and you're the first that has noticed this! This bike it was part of the buy of the remaining PDM gear that I purchased many years ago form him. We'll leave it at that BC and the Gang at www.renaissance-cycle.com.

[@LomTong]

He hit 1100w more times in the first 5 minutes of this video than I do in a month.

[@andrewlagodzinski9904]

This almost goes without saying, but we all want more Glenn!

[@ashkandi1337]

If we got a cent every time the adjective "italian" was misused by food companies our debt would be 0!!! Just kidding haha, cool video

[@benvoncamp]

I vomited at 7:20 just sitting here watching. The explosive power is just amazing. Thanks lads!

[@BeyReaper]

So many people want to place the average person from the street against the professionals and olympians. And while Glen isn’t your average person we can see the the discrepancy between the fitness levels.

[@jackmacdonald7636]

The course is nice, so sweeping in turns, is this a park?

[@nathanwarner9906]

Quick unrelated question: any good reading or video people can recommend on training with a power meter? Alot of talk about them on the channel and I finally pulled the trigger. Love the videos! Been great watching these throughout the winter. Hope you heal up quick!

[@jarydanderson1400]

Training and Racing with a Power Meter, and the Fast Talk Podcast

[@vmarano4]

No seriously close the gap! Thank you for another great video!

[@HuntingWithDavid]

Lol at the aluminum foils on the stove.

[@faf1967]

Heal up fast, I'm getting over a separated shoulder.

[@Majestic1987]

Well, my best power so far was nearly 1000W (980 or so for like 2 seconds). Those numbers are so insane.

[@A10FT200LBPUMA]

Geez these guys would absolutely drill crit racers in the US and it’s crazy to think that. These watt numbers are crazy

[@andrewdeck7945]

Thanks for sharing the videos!

[@capajedi]

Just wondering if glen has a channel

[@johnnydeutschemark3620]

ya, moar Glen! GO Glenn ! GO Glenn ! I buy you a Weissbeir

[@SamPatlik]

That's the best beer in the world. Love to see it.

[@sixtynine999]

And we tell our children there are no monsters! 😂

[@rhglubbers]

Great vid again Glenn.

[@davidnicholson6680]

900w+ out of every corner. Ouch.

[@TylerSmith-sl2cf]

Earned my like at 0:16!

[@theoriginalrecycler]

Jeepers, they all look like 2metre monsters.

[@markcavandish1295]

Another race=Good life

[@theoriginalrecycler]

Ah now we see Glenn. Hi Glenn.

[@AustinIsTheGreatest]

Van Rip from Costco is so good!

[@cecilecorpuz5735]

You said you live on sugar! Man you must have some crazy highs and lows.

[@user-hu9ms8sq2r]

does anyone have glenn's strava?

[@ryandawson5800]

I was nervous watching this!

[@b4rt_DJ]

Ey! That's my uni campus! What are the odds of clicking on a random video and seeing it.

[@TheyForcedMyHandLE]

Unfortunately, there's so much efficiency wasted having to slow down so much in those corners. I know that's just the accordion effect, but having to nuke it coming out of the corners due lack of corner speed is really a killer.

[@RudiDwiHartanto]

Hello Fresh choosing the good channel to sponsor.

[@rhysashpole]

Small field? I would kill for a field that size!!

[@zacharypeattie]

Nice new logo!

[@peterrogosic]

Grate vid as always ✌️👍

[@PutteKj]

Love Glenn!

[@YO_Original]

More anything bro you rock!

[@geraldtone5914]

I always imagined Glenn looking like Hafthor Bjornssen.

[@narakdk]

When you say a pro, what does that mean? Do they race in the Tours or are they just on one of the lower levels but still get paid enough to not take a normal work?

[@jmrbear]

There are World Tour teams that you watch on TV in the TdF and the like. Then there are a number of Continental Circuits where "pro conti" teams race. I think the guys in this race were pro conti riders. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_Continental_Circuits

[@luciennegabrielhonz1]

@@jmrbear nope. just 'normal' continental riders. So third level pro's.

[@narakdk]

@@luciennegabrielhonz1 how does a 3rd level pro get enough salary to only bike? I thought it was already difficult for those on 2nd level.

[@DavidvdGulik]

@@narakdk They usually do this next to their regular job, which can be part time

[@narakdk]

@@DavidvdGulik that makes sense. I think a pro is a person living off its sport alone, so I wondered how that was possible here.

[@APEXPOPPER]

You should see singapore race

[@pano360]

Chapeau Glenn!