Radeon RX 7900 XTX vs. GeForce RTX 4080, FSR vs. DLSS / Ray Tracing Benchmarks

[@807800]

Not a bad fight. Both need to be cheaper, though.

[@GeminiWoods]

I miss the days of paying $400-$500 for top of the line GPUs. I can barely afford mid range cards these days.

[@RadialSeeker113]

ALL AMD cards besides the rx 6600 are horribly overpriced relative to their market demand. The 6600 performs like a 3060 and costs as much as the 3050. It is the only AMD gpu with sales that compete with a similarly priced nvidia counterpart. However, it's 45% faster than a 3050 and is the same price. Compared to a 4080, the 7900xtx should be priced at $750 for it to sell well. Similarly, the 7900xt needs to be $600, 7800xt at $450. They'd make less profit but actually sell gpus. This seems like Lisa su is colluding with Jensen Huang to raise prices of the whole market. They've just stopped bothering with competing with consoles in terms of value.

[@Sajuuk9]

@@RadialSeeker113 why are you only bitching about AMD cards? Nvidia is milking all the fools to the limit.. they are extremely overpriced.

[@Eleganttf2]

@@Sajuuk9 read his comment again if you think he only budges on AMD!

[@HunterTracks]

​@@RadialSeeker113If the GPU market share was easily influenced by just having better value products, we wouldn't be in a situation where Nvidia holds over 80% of the market to begin with. Everyone complains about Nvidia prices, but still winds up buying Nvidia despite AMD generally delivering better performance per dollar. Also, no shit, AMD is a corporation, it is literally legally obligated to post profit to shareholders. Let's suppose they double their current market share by cutting the profits they get from each individual purchase by 60%. Do you need me to explain to you why they'd rather avoid that?

[@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords]

When I was GPU shopping I got a 7900xtx for $800 and the 4080 was $1200 , It was no contest, I love the xtx

[@jikrukakru9653]

Are you getting driver crashes or did u find a fix for them?

[@THB_G]

@@jikrukakru9653Also got a 7900XTX havent seen any crashes at all so far, which games have that issue? Bought a ASROCK Phantom Gaming OC 7900 XTX

[@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords]

@@jikrukakru9653 I think after the 1st few weeks of having it the kinks got ironed out with an update around July some time

[@ech0ech071]

@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords Just picked up a PowerColor Hellhound 7900 XTX for 899 on Amazon. Selling my 3080 to a friend. Looking forward to to the upgrade and finally getting real 4K60 performance!

[@guritamarctiberiu1567]

I Romania its almost 500$ cheaper to get the 7900.

[@sharlinespinal3287]

I had the same battle between these two cards a few months ago. I ended up getting a 7900 XTX at Newegg. I couldn’t stomach Nvidia’s pricing. I’m happy with it.

[@thatguy3000]

Good job. 7900 XTX has more VRAM which makes it a better option in my opinion.

[@Raums]

Same when I got my XTX in the U.K. the price distance between these was 36%. I was geared up to get the 4080 too until a deal dropped and I couldn’t justify the price. Happy with it but even at £830 is silly expensive for a single component. That being said at 3440x1440 I’m sure my new pc will last a good few years now.

[@laszlodajka5946]

Same here. Have been rocking my tuf oc xtx. Brilliant experience

[@laszlodajka5946]

​@@Raumsyeah xtx should deliver great performance for a good 4-year time, I think

[@JHGSP]

I was close to getting the xtx but after seeing the 4080 has a much lower power draw I'd save money over time and I can access frame gen

[@Skipsx]

I really enjoyed that you included DLSS and FSR results, thank you

[@Battleneter]

Its good but the problem is DLSS usually offers better image quality than FSR, so it's not exactly apples to apples.

[@micahwright542]

At 4k you can hardly tell the difference, DLSS is better in dense vegatation areas, I like FSR's sharpening more though in other city like areas.@@Battleneter

[@froznfire9531]

@@micahwright542 Overall DLSS still is better, when they did the test for dlss 2 vs fsr 2, it really wasnt close with dlss winning pretty much everywhere. Sure, its more noticeable at lower res or performance mode but even in quality 4k, you can make it out

[@MrSeb-S]

@@micahwright542 You can incrase sharpnes in game when dlls on. If isn't in game use a nv driver panel and sorted out.

[@mycelia_ow]

@@MrSeb-S sharpness doesn't bring quality back, and imo makes the image looks worse when used.

[@LuisKunha]

I have a 7900 xtx and the drivers have been quite good, 2 to 3 updates during a month, performance has always improved, sometimes with some bugs, but otherwise I'm satisfied and I don't see much difference from when I had the Nvidea gpu. I bought this graphics card because not even the 4080/90 would fit in my case, so I decided to buy AMD and I'm satisfied, plus I paid a lot less

[@BrockObunger]

I wish we could rate the quality of the RT implementation and upscaling implementation in individual games too. I know ratchet and clank had fuzzy looking RT shadows which didn't look much better than raster while cyberpunk looks like a completely different game with RT reflections. Some RT games really just don't look better than raster which helps the xtx while some FSR implementations are truly awful which helps the 4080.

[@redeye259]

That would be a great metric, there aren’t many games out that justify the use of RT in terms of improving the image quality. Cyberpunk with RT is mind blowing, feels great to be able to play it at over 100 FPS on a 4080

[@shanks2872]

Eh XTX does RT great except on Nvidia focused titles like Cyberpunk so ur point doesn't really make sense. RT is a joke, and Nvidia likes to pretend it is way more important than it is and for less money and more Vram the XTX is the better choice (IMO). I used to like Nvidia a lot but they're trying to scam you at this point.

[@plasmahvh]

​@@shanks2872 no it doesn't. it does well on software RT (Lumen) not on hardware RT. Cyberpunk is one of the most hardware agnostic games. It's just that PT is unusable on AMD cards. AMD's solution to RT is to use the same shader units to compute both RT and Raster. NVIDIA on the other hand has dedicated RT cores. So NVIDIA cards have better RT at the cost of raster. And they believe that's the right choice. I assume they will do everything they can to push Path Tracing with their market share. XTX has 4070 levels of pure RT which is quite embarrassing for a flagship card. In the end it all comes down to who wins, path tracing or lumen. If path tracing wins AMD is fucked hard, if lumen wins NVIDIA lost at least 8 years of RT development (IN GAMING). I hope that PT wins cause it simply looks better but consoles are way too weak for it. Maybe next gen consoles

[@shanks2872]

@@plasmahvh I still have to disagree on the Amd is fucked part, they can switch to developing RT while Nvidia will have lost tons of money. While you could say 4070 levels of RT is embarrasing (I disagree), you could say the same about the vram on the 4070 and ti. We are starting to see more Vram usage on games and it won't go down in the future. I still believe Amd is the better choice for the average gamer since they do care about their older cards and they perform very well.

[@cooltwittertag]

​@@plasmahvhyall really dont *have to* suck of megacorporations or defend them from each other, even more ironic when talking about cyberpunk

[@Chef1077]

I bought an open box Asus TUF 7900XT for AUD$1000 about 4 months ago. I play at 4K on a 144hz panel and I’ve been really impressed by the cards performance.

[@Jmvars]

I bough an ASRock one for 1167 AUD and it's a beast. Frankly I feel like I could have gotten away with a 7800XT and just drop the graphics a bit but I know this will last me longer so I won't complain.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Good Buy! I got a white 4080 in march for 1800aud (7900xtx price at the time). And the 7900xt was high on my radar... Looks like a solid option here in Australia

[@F1neW1ne]

I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 on my 7900XT at 1440P (XESS Quality mode) with Ultra RT Lighting and Reflections enabled and getting 65 fps averaging Japantown area and it looks amazing. Most all other games 100+ fps maxed out at 1440P. It really is a darling of a card IMO. and 20GB VRAM? Wow.

[@xCynFR]

@@GregoryShtevenshI’m a generation behind but I got my 6800 for 300 used 2 months ago and paired with my 5800x3d on 240hz 1080p I have had no complaints

[@-FyX-]

How is the coilwhine on the asuscard?

[@lord.frosty]

That's an insane in-depth comparison and I love to see dlss and fsr tests included. Keep up the good work!

[@flioink]

Even though the 7900xtx has rt I play games like BG3 and SF6 so it's unnecessary to me. Got that gpu for 20% off, still quite expensive but nowhere near the 4090 AND the 4080 which are outrageously priced in my area.

[@jameswayton2340]

I bought a 4080 but i have to say the 7900xtx wins in terms of price to performance. And now the xtx has frame generation as well... that released a week after i bought the 4080 -_-. Ray tracing is not a huge deal right now. In SOME games yes. In Cyberpunk with overdrive mode yea ok.

[@Snowblind113]

I picked one up a sapphire pulse 7900xtx at microcenter for 725 open box. It’s definitely overkill for most of the games I frequent but it’s been really nice having the ability to play more intense games and not have to think about the settings too much.

[@JS-be8ll]

@@jameswayton2340 You've still got a great card though, so no real loss. No idea how quickly FSR 3 / Fluid motion frames are going to roll out either. But yea, its annoying when stuff rolls out right after a purchase that -could- change the calculus. Course, I bought my 7900xtx on launch day and have been waiting almost a year for FSR 3 :P

[@InversePacman]

@@JS-be8llSince the Frame gen is driver level, support it already out for like 10 games and should be quickly adopted for native support by games already supporting FSR.

[@flioink]

@@jameswayton2340 The 4080 has some neat features for 3d like CUDA. But Nvidia sells them gpus for over 1200 EUR(minimum) here😳 The 7900 "bonus" is the 24 GB memory-comes handy in PBR texturing.

[@littlezero6399]

Just my user experience, the 7900xtx has been amazing. No regrets. But objectively, it would be much better at 900$.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

... it's nearly there with 20 bucks or so. The next prime day, black Friday, or sell in general is going to show that.

[@LeLe-pm2pr]

right now it's 889$

[@TheHighborn]

Well ofc. The cheaper the better lol.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

objectively it would be better at $90

[@dnice42]

I got mine at 940 bucks and not a single problem in any games over a month

[@shiraz1736]

These prices continue to be ridiculous. What a joke.

[@Aerocunt]

In Poland these graphics card are worth 300$+ more, and the difference between Rx 7900 xtx and RTX 4080 is 100$

[@TrionYT]

Hey! You can make a build for 2200 with the xtx!!

[@elvertmack5039]

Think these are bad...wait till 50 series

[@elvertmack5039]

How are they a joke? You couldn't get no 30s at msrp 2 years ago...or have you forgotten? 3080 msrp 600 bucks....real price...about 1500 if u were lucky. 3090....2500 to 3k...and people were still buying them. So now 40s are out..and prices are to high...when we still can't get 30s at msrp....cut the cap or move to console.

[@shiraz1736]

@@elvertmack5039 I love how you can only manage to get your memory to go back 2 years , your the people 🐑 the marketing teams dream about. 👍

[@lowlife5011]

With my 3090, I have really felt for a while that I am on the cusp of having the 4K Ray Traced performance be at the level I want in titles like Cyberpunk and the Witcher 3. I've had my eye on the 7900xtx for a minute now, but after seeing this it seems that both the 7900xtx and the 4080 still fall just short in more than a few titles with RT, much like my 3090 does. This data makes me far more comfortable with making the decision to stay with my 3090 for some more time, until features like Path Tracing become more common in games and GPU's become powerful enough to run it reliably at 4K.

[@halexisb]

Yes! It probably 1-2 gens more to get to acceptable RT performance, and with the price on this cards I would wait to not feel like I have been rip off and doesnt even get good RT I'm sticking with my 6950xt, untill that happens

[@sategllib2191]

I bought a 7900xtx in January and will definitely use it for years but by the time I upgrade ray tracing will probably be a minor minor hit to fps

[@laszlodajka5946]

Yeah 3090 should go strong for a while

[@MDFGamingVideo]

Agreed. I'm on a 6900XT with the XTXH silicon. It is stable up to 2875 MHz core and 1150 vRAM. I usually stay between 2700-2750 for 24x7, where it pulls 250w-255w at full load. On my 21:9 uptrawide at 2160x1080 Using FSR Quality, I can turn on some RT features in Cyberpunk 2077 and average 60+ FPS in the benchmark. If I go JUST for reflections, I'm in the 70-80 range. I don't see any real benefit to upgrading this gen. Going to skip this one and see how the next one shapes up.

[@Swarm509]

4090 is the only video card that will do high settings 4k ray tracing, and it won't run it at a super high frame rate even then. That is your only option if you want to go this route. Maybe the next gen of Nvidia cards will improve that but I expect 4k ray tracing will still be edge case users compared to the vast majority of users who are either at 1440p or below.

[@IcebergTech]

Hi Steve, question regarding Forza Horizon 5. You said that you did the RT test at the Extreme preset, however the preset only enables High RT - which isn't active in races or free roam, only in ForzaVista and photo mode. To get in-game RT reflections you have to manually raise the RT level to either Ultra (half resolution RT, your car only) or Extreme (full resolution RT, your car only). Are these figures using High RT, or did you raise it to Ultra or Extreme?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Hey mate, sorry it wasn't made clear. The RT setting has been manually set to 'ultra'. update: testing 'extreme' only lowers the fps of the 7900 XTX by a few % with almost no change to the RTX 4080.

[@moldyshishkabob]

Love this interaction between keen-eyed viewer and genuine reviewer

[@robemanchester2277]

My 7900 XTX has been going pretty well for me. Gaming at 4K largely is good enough I don't need to use upscaling, but even then FSR is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. DLSS is obviously better, but it's not so dramatically better I couldn't play a game that had FSR instead and not DLSS (they should all be there, not advocating for vendor locked features). Maybe once AMD is winding down development of frame gen they could focus on utilizing their AI cores to further enhance their 7000 series cards in FSR and produce DLSS quality upscaling to effectively eliminate the largest downside they have currently? With that being said, DF had a good point that due to DLSS having effectively a similar quality upscaling image at about one more notch down on the presets vs FSR ( DLSS Balanced = FSR Quality), it gives an even larger bump in performance to Nvidia.

[@dakbassett]

I am using FSR @1440p with a 6700xt and I can confirm it isn't bad at all. I don't use it in every game but the ones I have it looks great and provides a noticeable boost to fps.

[@JamieR]

@@dakbassett I think the visibility in difference becomes more apparent the larger the screen. Though I agree, FSR is doing just fine and I would not use DLSS as a main selling point for a Nvidia card purchase. Rather producitivity, A.I etc.

[@VincentBeauregard-i8o]

Great job, Steve! Both GPUs are beyond my budget but the data is still very interesting from the point of view of software evolution. Thanks for the efforts!

[@hasanahmad]

you can find it cheaper if you look hard in used/refurb. I got my 4080 for $600

[@Rebe-Caufman]

@@hasanahmadi got my for 380

[@mitsuhh]

nice lies@@hasanahmad

[@kaimojepaslt]

i got mine xtx for 100@@Rebe-Caufman

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

"Radeon for value, for ray-tracing... it's complicated." Well, that's a step in the right direction for AMD. You couldn't say that last gen! Thanks, Steve.

[@cromefire_]

Just hope they can continue to accelerate this trend. Even in this gen, RT still isn't that important, but we're getting there. Also crucial for not letting NVIDIA get away with putting their ray tracing software into every game.

[@Born_Stellar]

15% cheaper with only 11% worse RT on average. still a better value if you go by the average numbers. to me looked like 4080 was only better if you just play those few titles that are on the extreme end like fortnight dx11 and rift apart.

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

How does cyberpunk with path tracing work with FSR?

[@cromefire_]

@@KeepAnOpenMind Well it works fine per sé, as long as you either go down to probably FSR ultra performance or so (at least at 4K with an XTX). And are fine with at most like 30fps (without FSR 3, as that's not in cyberpunk yet). But then again for the amount of performance you even loose on a 40 series card and the relatively little uplift over full "normal" RT, you'll probably want to play without that anyways.

[@XrentonX17]

​@@KeepAnOpenMindI've got a 7900xt and I can get 30fps avg so the xtx is probably around 45 but I would say squeezing it to 60 wouldn't be realistic with how bad the image quality would be

[@TimothyStovall108]

Picked up a Merc 310 7900 XTX back in March when they first dropped to $1K, and have been really happy with it, especially with how the drivers and tech have evolved. Also really like the new fluid frame tech, in some games I've tried. I play Cyberpunk at 4K ultra raytracing around 80FPS, and unlike other titles I've tried with fluid motion frames, Cyberpunk doesn't have much garbling around objects, and with Antilag+ feels pretty good with the input lag. Starfield and RDR2 were absolute garbage with FMF in my opinion with the shimmering and garbling of certain textures, but this is still in the beta phase, so we will see how the tech matures.

[@DKTD23]

Undervolting actually caused my fps to go up, while shaving power consumption. Did you have a similar experience? I posted my settings in a reply post to this new vid.

[@brunonkowalski]

What? 4k rt ultra 80fps? So they have 38fps and you have magically 80?

[@wile123456]

@@DKTD23 yep RDNA3 is similar to Vega. Uses too much power but can clock way higher than the deafult

[@schoolproject3356]

​@@brunonkowalskichanging voltages, power limits and playing with any setting can increase performance or they mean 1440p and not 4k

[@williamhelena7592]

@@brunonkowalskireading is fundamental man. he mentioned he is using the new fluid frame technology. also, i’m pretty sure they disable SAM in their testing for consistency. that would also bump up your fps.

[@ArtjomsSivickis]

We need a deatailed video about FSR 3.0 and Fluid Motion Frames

[@marcinkarpiuk7797]

First we need normal games with fsr3...

[@joemarais7683]

Why do a detailed video on a thing that’s available in exactly two games? You’re basically just asking for a AMD ad.

[@marcinkarpiuk7797]

@@joemarais7683 soon it will be everywhere, pc, ps5, xbox and handhelds...

[@HunterTracks]

​@@joemarais7683Unlike Ray Reconstruction, which is only available in one game and at the highest graphical preset that most cards wouldn't be able to handle? And yet, RR has gotten tons of high-level reviews whereas FSR 3 has barely been so much as mentioned.

[@Davinmk]

@@joemarais7683frame generation works in almost any game, fsr3 in two games and anti lag plus in many games, none of these features have been addressed

[@sapphyrus]

I'm extremely glad to see upscaled benches, now this has been a very helpful comparison! Keep up the good work!

[@danielohayon6505]

Such marvelous work and so detailed. I can imagine what it took for you to compile all these results, once again 😅

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

lmao

[@LukewarmEnthusiast]

As an XTX owner, two factors that are worth mentioning. First, these cards undervolt like crazy and you get drastically lower power consumption for an imperceptible performance hit. I have a factory OC model that has a stock TGP of 365W. With undervolting, it runs at a max TGP of 325W with a

[@Kamehaiku]

Thanks for that information. I am setting up a 7800x3d and 7900xtx build.

[@supremeboy]

How much exactly you undervolted to? I guess not only negative power limit?

[@yekyew]

Thinking about getting this card for my new PC. How are the drivers? Any issues with the card besides that? I've been hearing some things about windows issues?

[@whitygoose]

can i run it at 200 watt?

[@elu5ive]

@@whitygoose i undervolted by 2% and underclocked by 8%. it draws 240w max at ridiculously low temp and noise

[@simonbaker7462]

Built my new pc yesturday with a 7800x3d and a 7900xtx (saphire nitro) in a matx case. Being completely new to AMD i have to say im very happy so far. Its a massive upgrade to my intel 6700k and nvidia 1080 graphics card. I tried Warhammer 3 total war got a 100+ fps increase at the highest setting. Not sure about raytracing (currently downloading cyberpunk) as ive never been able to use it. Cant say if its going to be something i really want to have in my games or a "just nice to have" feature. Hope these cards have long legs on them to keep going for a number of years.

[@andersjjensen]

In Cyberpunk: Don't use the RT presets. Just enable RT Reflections and let everything else run on raster. It's the only RT effect that really wows you. The rest just "look different" from their raster counterparts, but nothing must have.

[@simonbaker7462]

@@andersjjensen thanks, okay I'll take a look. Should I enable frame generation aswell. Sorry for the basic questions but I am completely new to amd so lots to learn.

[@doniscoming]

I bought 7900XTX in May for 850euros so it was a sweet deal. Hope it keeps solid performance in raster for a long time 😊 let's see the results 😀

[@RadialSeeker113]

​@blue-lu3izisn't it more like 900 USD before vat? 1 Euro = 1.05 USD

[@95nicnacs]

​@@RadialSeeker113tax of probably 19% is included in the Euro price

[@95nicnacs]

So 900 USD is the after Tax price

[@Scorpius165]

Scored a Gainward RTX 4080 for ~1,050 euros last month, so imho also pretty nice deal. Very happy with the ray tracing performance for the price. The Gainward card is also surprisingly cool and whisper quiet.

[@samserious1337]

Anyhow, currently the ASROCK 7900XTX Phantom Gaming gets sold in germany for 979€ (which includes 19% VAT), so 822€ (863USD) before VAT.

[@vadwvea7153]

Upgraded my old 1050ti system to an rtx 4080 and I absolutely love it and it's surprisingly cool even under load

[@darth_dunedain106]

I feel you I had a 1060 and now have a 4080 too

[@Zombie101]

@@darth_dunedain106 rip

[@inmypaants]

I paid 20% less for my XTX compared to the 4080 and couldn’t be happier

[@mroutcast8515]

so what? Inferior upscaling, inferior ray tracing, inferior anti latency tech. When you buy high-end GPU, don't even start, that RT doesn't matter because it damn does.

[@inmypaants]

@@mroutcast8515 you saw someone happy with their purchase and had to rain on their parade. Still on the internet and still reading KZbin comments … confirmed.

[@ChristopherPunton]

​@@mroutcast8515not everyone is a fan of ray tracing, I have it off myself and when I upgraded I went with the 7900XTX to save some cash

[@ChristopherPunton]

Oh and my 7900XTX was not only cheaper but it came with Starfield premium edition too 💪👏

[@mroutcast8515]

@@ChristopherPunton and I played it's for 10 bucks on game pass, so what?

[@sticksandstones1173]

7900 xtx was 889.99 today but sold out quick on amazon.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

I just got my Red Devil 7900 XTX last weekend. I really am happy with my choice. I'm going to integrate the card into my loop once I get the EK water block. We'll see what kind of uplift I get in overclocking vs air cooled.

[@Marco-vn1db]

Curious to see if there's a difference

[@starlightHT]

I put in an Alphacool water block. €160.... €800 for Red Devil which makes €960 . If you want advice, don't spend money and increase the fans. Yes, it stays cooler and easily reaches 3Ghz without heating up, but at the end of the day do you want to spend 430 watts playing games?

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

@@Marco-vn1db Should see a difference, how large is the question. Raising the thermal headroom lets me get closer to absolute hardware power limitations without running into thermal ceiling first.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

@@starlightHT Don't care about power consumption. Economy is not even remotely a concern for me. Also, my rig is an editing/content creation rig. There will be times the machine is churning away all night rendering. Cooler is less wear and tear.

[@tskraj3190]

Water. Cooling is so much better! I bought the XFX Merc 310 speedster 7900 XTX and those fans get loud! My last two cards were water cooled (R9 Fury X & Vega 64 LC) they run so much cooler and quieter but after a while the fan does make a rattling noise.

[@anonymoususer7985]

Shouldn’t your statement about fsr3 frame generation/fluid motion frames be “it is a new feature and it’s not well supported yet but we expect this to increase over the next couple of months” same as the Ray reconstruction statement

[@MrJonas7]

Lately I really wish HUB mentioned a bit more things in favor of AMD. From their videos it seems that Radeon is so much inferior to Nvidia that it should be at least 100USD cheaper. While there are clear upsides to AMD, and the upsides of Nvidia don't apply to many gamers. What a time to be alive, RT and DLSS is more than raw performance and 50% more VRAM.

[@anonymoususer7985]

@@MrJonas7 I couldn’t agree with you more, every time HUB mentions a AMD feature it’s like they are chewing on wasp’s; the disgust on their face’s is plain to see I’m a RTX 30 series owner personally and I’m a single player gamer, I do like upscaler and RT settings turned on. We were locked out of a feature because apparently it couldn’t run on our cards which I said was bs back then and AMD have proven it is bs plus that you can run frame generation on older cards and I would say the fsr3 frame generation looks to be even better. Xess will implement it soon no doubt. I’d be interested in seeing it with xess too; at lower resolutions it might be interesting I don’t dismiss other companies technology or features off like HUB are doing because I am a technology enthusiast. I wish HUB would go back to being enthusiasts and not be so biased because something doesn’t meet their Nvidia standards or their bank roll

[@MrJonas7]

@@anonymoususer7985 I also currently use a 3070, I used Vega 56 before, and still have Rx480 in my wife's pc. The AMD software is miles ahead of Nvidia, and their recent additions like FSR3 and Fluid motion, then Radeon chill, more performance for buck, etc etc. HUB themselves went from dismissing RT and DLSS and preferring raster performance to making RT the reason to recommend Nvidia now apparently.

[@Kylethejobber]

In my opinion I dont think the 7900xtx is that bad at RT its really not that far behind in RT. I also have a 7900xtx and it's been great.

[@rangisagar]

to be real both are shit at RT if you want to RT buy something like 4090 . If a gpu can produce 4k 60 fps at high settings it will def produce an enjoyable experience

[@neoaliens8635]

Another amazing blockbuster benchmark done by Steve! And I've come to watch it fast, almost as fast as you benchmark stuffs!

[@Legion15243]

It would be interesting to update this 7900 xtx vs RTX 4080 video, when the new AMD Fluid Motion Frames technology is ready in its final version, which could perhaps make a big difference, good video anyway!

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

@@Navi_xoo The only advantage of fsr3 is when you have, for example, native around 75 FPS and you frame cap at 120 FPS. This means you generate less than X2 frames, so the input lag is lower than with NVIDIA FG and the image is really good. The situation is worse when with FSR 3 we cannot get the same number of frames as the monitor refresh rate, then strange stuttering occurs. I tested it in forspoken.

[@michaelkimmey8182]

I got my Asrock 7900 xtx on sale during the Newegg summer sale for $893 then I got affrim gave a 10% discount if you financed with them and I paid it off in a month, so getting it for only $814.00 I think it was a good deal.

[@anthonybaker5199]

Damn. That's an excellent deal. Wow.

[@CakeMelons]

Yep, GPU benchmarking have become extremely complex in recent years with various upscaling techs that differ substantially in actual quality they offer despite using similar abbreviation, as in with DLSS/XeSS Quality vs FSR Quality offering comparable performance one to another, but image quality differs. Add to that RT performance that can vary drastically from game to game, in one AMD can be dramatically slower than competitors, but in another offer roughly similar level of performance or even ever so slightly higher. Now throw in FG/FM features for good measure and VRAM capacities and oh well... I'am pretty involved user/gamer, so i can find my way around it, but if as a reviewer your baseline is a clueless customer, then you have one hell of a job in front of you to try and convey as objective picture to a customer as possible.

[@telefonbarmann4514]

I agree, it's much harder now to objectively convey the experience consumers will end up with because image quality is so hard to quantify. All upscalers have their pros and cons, but I think a lot of people would say DLSS and XeSS have a healthy edge, especially in motion (which is pretty important in gaming). There's so much to think about now. I remember reading a comment the other day where someone said they could increase frame rate from 30 to 60 with framegen and heard that the latency was negligible. I can't even blame people, there are just so many things to be aware of lol.

[@shastasimulations9767]

Thanks for your video. For your averaging graphs starting at 18 min, it would be super helpful if you showed which graphs represent which video card in either your x-axis lable, a header above the column, or some colloring. I always get confused which side is which when these are shown.

[@EvilijoUK]

This 8GB VRAM difference is bound to make a big difference with high res textures in the next 2-3 years

[@rkeith7766]

@viacheslav_822 Soon PC Ultra Textures will look better than console so VRAM usage will go up.

[@jettsom]

@viacheslav_822Exactly, all we have now is console port games. Games are not developed for PC anymore.

[@alpher8962]

​@viacheslav_822you need also more ram for local AI operations

[@mycelia_ow]

@@alpher8962 If you're doing local AI operations then AMD isn't an option, they lack CUDA support.

[@alpher8962]

@@mycelia_ow That's simply not true because there are also open alternatives for cuda

[@spathi3309]

I had the option to buy either the 7900 xtx or the 4080. As an owner of a 3080 ti and 3070 ti, I didn't feel like being screwed on video memory this time. The 7900 xtx is the clear winner.

[@andersjjensen]

You're pretty much guaranteed that the 7900XTX will get retired due to a lack of power instead of a lack of VRAM. Next gen consoles are a long way off, but rumors point to 32GB with 28GB being available to the game in total. That means that even next gen console games are likely to "play well" with a 24GB buffer as very few games will be able to run off 4GB program data in memory at the time.

[@DKTD23]

​@andersjjensen we will see if that actually happens. I doubt console gamers want to pay $700 minimum

[@andersjjensen]

@@DKTD23 Next gen will be $500 for the model without optical drive at minimum. The sad truth is that we're not getting the lithographic gains we once did. When a new node launches it comes with a density increase but also a price increase to the point that the per-transistor cost goes up.

[@MS10x]

That's bold to say when 4080 clearly beats xtx in ray tracing, upscalling technology, productivity workload and such while also having better power efficiency

[@andersjjensen]

@@MS10x At the cost of an additional $200, mind you. I use my XTX at 1440p because I don't want upscaling (and I also don't particularly see a need to replace my three very good 27" 1440p monitors) and the only productivity I need is basic video editing which Radeon cards do perfectly fine. That only leaves RT in a few titles, as most recent titles actually play pretty well with AMD hardware (go figure how that works...) and the "small" matter of 8GB VRAM more. Nvidia is not getting $200 for that....

[@AdrianValenciaYT]

You can't go wrong with any of these two. Great work! Thanks.

[@delatroy]

Didn't expect the XTX to be that good in RT!

[@chalpua8802]

Its generally faster than the 3090 Ti. Pretty good honestly.

[@MyrKnof]

My argument for the AMD card would be, if you want longevity. The larger framebuffer will historically make the card age WAY better.

[@xtynek88]

was true, is true, will forever be true. BUT, in this case, the % diff of frame buffer is small, only 20% more, so not a huge argument. when it is at least 33%, yes, you can make a case for it, see 1060vs580-8g. Update: thinking of the XT model, not XTX, in this comparison.

[@Hugh_I]

@@xtynek88 The 7900XTX has 24GB, the 4080 has 16GB. That's 50% more, not 20.

[@alen2937]

Nah, it is still bigger and will enable years of better experience, this has been seen a lot in the past as well. @@xtynek88

[@xtynek88]

@@Hugh_I you're right, I was thinking of the XT, not XTX model when I wrote this. My bad.

[@B1u35ky]

Yes but by the time 16gb is saturated that will be the least of your problems with a card that old You will probably be able to get a card half the price of a 7900xtx with 24gb vram and like 50%+ more performance by the time you need that

[@bizbarley74]

I was able to build an amazing gaming system for myself on the AM5 platform with parts I got from Microcenter. I paired the Ryzen 7800x3d with the RX 7900 XTX ($899.99 by PowerColor) and 32 gbs of DDR5 RAM. I did not cut corners anywhere, MC had a sale going that weekend and I used premium components. Total price tag was $1,910.38. And for that I got a gaming beast. Will be awhile until I need to upgrade again. And I have had zero issues with anything, aside from installing all the case fans and getting them to work in sync, but otherwise AMD has treated me very well. I briefly considered Nvidia, but quickly came to my scenes. Both GPUs are overpriced, but at least the 7900 XTX was within reason. Anyway, I could not be happier. I looked online yesterday for a friend that wants to build almost the same system, and it's around the price point I paid. Issue is though, PC Compatibility Parts picker does not include walk in store prices like MC.

[@Flo_xy]

I really like what you do with your videos and comparisons. Personally I'd really want to know how they compete in various Virtual Reality titles. I'm aware that it's the minority of people who care about VR performance, but for me its a big deal. Sadly there is simply no credible comparison videos for the 7900xtx and the 4080 with their latest drivers on all of youtube. thanks again for your valuable tests!

[@tadejpeckaj1151]

So.. I just bought 7900xtx. I am satisfied with the performance.. but wouldn’t mind it being cheaper 😂 But the price difference in EU between the 7900xtx and 4080 is 20%, so I think I made the right choice

[@darth_dunedain106]

Both are great cards, can't go wrong either way really

[@obskyo]

Your right in Europe it's bigger between the two my 7900XTX was 20% cheaper than the lowest 4080 and it came with a copy of Starfield so it was way better value.

[@tadejpeckaj1151]

@@obskyo yeah.. didn’t have time to delve into Starfield, but it’s already on my PC.

[@Ryan21500]

Snagged sapphire nitro+ 7900xtx about a month ago. Playing that $150-200 (plus tax) more you can get the next gpu up is a slippery slope. That's what got me up to the 7900xtx over my original plans lol!

[@crafti2.027]

I got my 7900 xtx for 870 euro (I had a -200 coupon, so 670 for me), so happy with the product overall. My only complains are the power consumption in idle and gaming. Freesync seems to "fix" the idle power consumption and capped fps too for cyberpunk, etc. Btw there is a huge problem right now with Cs2 with AMD gpus but they are working on it.

[@Mc_Whitty]

That is a fantastic deal. I wish the states had a coupon like that. Also, I think cs2 is just broken. Gamers nexus just tested cs2 and all makes and models of gpus had horrible stutter

[@phantomfire183]

Do you mean the frame stuttering / bad frame pacing? All my friends using Nvidia or AMD both experience it. No idea how to fix it though without disturbing image quality. I guess we'll have to wait for driver or game updates

[@S3lvah]

I don't know where people are finding these cheap cards, unless that price is without VAT... In Northern Europe, the cheapest decent 7900 XTX I could find was 1070 euros with VAT included. Still affordable, but a rip-off compared to what you got.

[@litralimsaa9210]

Which shop gives coupons like that?

[@vaudou_]

​@@phantomfire183I've seen some people suggest deleting Direct X shader cache and trying Vulkan. Vulkan has lower average fps in CS2 but seems to have more consistent frames.

[@rangersmith4652]

If you game at 4K and don't care about RT and upscaling, the 7900 XTX is the clear winner. Similar or better performance in most games, 50% more VRAM, 15% less money, and top-level Starfield for free. I'm not planning on buying either card, but if I were upgrading from my 6800XT, I'd go for the4 AMD card as long as the price margin is 15% or more, and I imagine it will be as long as both cards are still available new.

[@rustler08]

Starfield doesn't come with it, anymore

[@rangersmith4652]

@@rustler08 Bummer.

[@viewtifulmike]

Wow, I didn't expect the XTX to perform so well against the 4080. Even so, both cards are at unreasonable price points. I don't think either offer enough price/perf compared to an RDNA2 card like the 6800xt or even the worse value 6950xt. Or hell, the 7800xt. But hey, if you keep an eye out for an open box the XTX or 80 might become sane!

[@John-df3lm]

Snagged my 4080 a few months ago at $900 on an open box with full warranty. I couldn’t pass it up at the time when 6950xt was still $700.

[@Crom_]

​@@John-df3lmlol thats literally cheaper than the 4070 ti and the 7900xt, man i wish i could get such a price now

[@MrCh1cken]

For me the difference in price between 4080 and 7900XTX was enough for me to get a power supply that I would need for either GPU. That was a big part of my decision to go with with 7900XTX over the 4080. I was stretching the budget as far as I could for an upgrade (4k monitor, GPU, PS and case) and I could get there with the 7900XTX but not the 4080. I opened the video expecting the XTX to get walloped... Happy that it didn't. It is disappointing that after this much time the prices of either GPU have not come down more than they have.

[@KamekoTsuruga]

you probably didn't need a new psu to run the 4080. i am using a 750w and it's fine. I also undervolted it so it only draws 200-215w. glad you are happy with ur purchase though, that's all that really matters.

[@MrCh1cken]

@KamekoTsuruga I was changing cases from one with a proprietary power supply format. I had to get a new power supply. The case and PS were already 10+ years old. Even if it could have powered a 4080 I wasn't going to use PS that old on a $1000 to $1200 video card.

[@Mcnooblet]

They tend do just a raster vs raster comparison with upscaling to make them even. Eventually once AMD gets their feature sets out more, they may do a more full comparison with full feature sets. No doubt I would take a 4080 currently and have a smoother experience than what I could do with a XTX. FSR3 is still in its infancy, but it seems many have taken a liking to it, even calling it a DLSS3 killer. Once they implement it more broadly, then we can get a more accurate comparison as current GPUs aren't just raster vs raster anymore, as evidenced by the epiphany of AMD users who got a taste of FSR3 and are now completely fine with fake frames as it makes a huge difference in user experience.

[@KamekoTsuruga]

@@MrCh1cken oh yeah that's the right call for sure.

[@cxngo8124]

if you use an AIB xtx you can overclock it very well and get close to 4090 performance.

[@SolemnArnorse]

Managed to pickup a 4080 for $980 with shipping/taxes on eBay. Bit bummed it's worse in rasterization, but I love DLSS and ray-tracing, so I'm glad I got it.

[@SuperCapuka]

I’m surprised that the 4080 doesn’t reach 60 fps native in some 4K games. It’s a £1200 card. You shouldn’t feel like you’re compromised in todays games.

[@GonthorianDX]

That has more to do with those games being unoptimized and CPU bottlenecked

[@michaelan9688]

Tying a cards performance to absolute frame rate values is stupid. There will always be games that push the envelope and others that sacrifice visuals for performance. Just increase draw distance, or use more real time path traced rays - you can always kill performance if you want to.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

That's why you should not spend 1200 bucks on such a GPU ... especially if you get a similar GPU for 900 bucks. And the "compromise" is getting worse when Nvidia GPUs hit the VRAM limit ... especially with RT enabled and more and more details in UE5 titles to come. 16 Gigs seems "enough for today" ... like 8 or 10 Gigs felt "enough" with RTX 3070/ 3080. But they are not. And Nvidia knows that looking at 4090.

[@BlackParade01]

They seem to be evenly matched in gaming performance. Nvidia also offers more features on the side (NVENC encoding, Ray Reconstruction, Nvidia Broadcast, etc), however this also reflects in the higher price. So I'd say that the AMD is the better buy if you're purely interested in gaming, while the Nvidia is the better buy if you're interested in using it for more purposes than just flat-screen gaming. Such as video editing, 3D modeling, streaming and also VR Gaming.

[@pretchett]

Thanks Steve!

[@Kithaziian]

The iron man holding the 7800x3D was amazing, think I found a new wallpaper

[@hogkill64]

I have a 7900XTX and while I wish it had all the ray tracing features that RTX cards have, this is is its only drawback and it is still decent at ray tracing. It absolutely dominates in everything else, and the 24gb RAM and HDMI 2.1 make it more future proof. I don't think the greater tensor core count in the RTX cards counts towards future proofing, as ray tracing software is relying less and less on them.

[@alistermunro7090]

This is the problem with those buying AMD, ignorance. Tensor cores are used for matrix multiplication enhancing AI. In the case of the RTX GPUs tensor cores are used for DLSS. RT is done through seperate RT cores. It's all dedicated hardware for each workload that can run in parallel with the shader cores. You don't have future proofing as you already have poor RT performance, poor quality SS and poor quality frame generation. AMD are good if you want to save money and restrict yourself to legacy modes.

[@eukariootti1]

RTX 4080 does have HDMI 2.1, too. For Gamers, there _might not be_ any meaningful difference between 16GB and 24GB VRAM, within next few years. Also, since 7900 XTX's RT speed is already just decent, in few years it'll be classified as slow in RT. Still, in non-RT Gaming, *if* 24GB does give some benefit and *if* rasterizing speed is still OK, then 24GB would be an advantage. Perhaps more likely scenario is that when more than 16GB VRAM is meaningful difference, both cards are consired slow. Time will tell... Right now, at least video editing can benefit from 24GB VRAM. RTX 4080 has lower Power consumption. Especially in multi-monitor and video playback (unless this is somehow fixed today). One advantage for RTX 4080 is that it supports all current DLSS versions + AMD's FSR + they both should support Intel XeSS (DP4A). One potential advantage for RTX 4080 _might be_ its better, or at least less bad, AI support (currently DLSS offers better image quality at lower resolutions vs. AMD's non-AI solution). Of course, both could be classified as superbad just in few years. If GPU Rendering (Blender etc.) is important, then RTX 4080 is far superior choice, as far as I know. Due to OptiX/CUDA. For most PC Gamers on this planet, both cards would be a massive upgrade. And way over their budget. So, kind of Lamborghini vs. Ferrari problem.

[@cromefire_]

@@alistermunro7090 Well they still compete for resources, so they are still kinda shared, pretty similar to the 7900 XTX, especially for ML. In the end, while it's behind in RT, in ML the performance is pretty similar given you have the right workload (to the 4090 that is, it beats the 4080 by a lot on optimized workloads).

[@alistermunro7090]

@@cromefire_ 'compete for resources' 'kinda shared' ... What the hell are you talking about? Phantom Liberty 1440p path tracing, no upscaling - 4090 39.7 4080 30 4070Ti 23.9 3090Ti 22.2 3090 19.3 4070 17.9 3080 10GB 16.9 4060Ti 16GB 12.5 4060Ti 8GB 12.5 2080Ti 9.1 4060 8.8 7900 XTX 8.8 A 5yo 2080Ti is beating AMD's latest and greatest. Let that sink in. This is why AMD have been sponsoring so many titles, to both reduce the modern use of RT and to remove side by side comparissons between FSR and DLSS.

[@cromefire_]

@@alistermunro7090 Yeah and why it does isn't particularly surprising if you think about that it's an NVIDIA library doing the path tracing... The XTX isn't the fastest ray tracer, not because it's shared, but because its RT accelerators aren't as fast yet (and very different from NVIDIA's), but it's never been that slow.

[@John-df3lm]

Have been waiting for this update! Grabbed my 4080 for $900 a few months ago so the averages are off from your graphs but really appreciate seeing all this information.

[@redeye259]

I got a 4080 FE pushing my 1600p ultrawide screen. Playing Cyberpunk with your HUB optimized RT settings has been such a great experience. I applied a 80% power limit and the card is so quiet and still has great performance. I feel like I’m getting my money’s worth for this experience alone. It also helps that I got the 4080 for below MSRP 😁

[@Kamehaiku]

Can't justify 4080 price point compared to 4090

[@jebo4jc]

Amazing analysis as always. Thank you Steve and team

[@richardhunter9779]

While VRAM is useful, it is the memory bus width advantage that will really give the XTX an advantage in the long term. 256 bit to 384 bit is a colossal difference, particularly at higher resolutions.

[@PeterPauls]

But as the newer games evolve, the memory bandwith will be a less important advantage, just like more VRAM because both cards will become only 1440p cards and even today in 1440p the 256 bit vs. 384 bit at this resolution doesn't really do much.

[@jinx20001]

How’s that working out for the Radeon Vii? By the time any of that should become relevant the cards are old and forgotten anyway… too slow for anybody to care.

[@edcorps2876]

Perhaps, the 4080 has a huge cache advantage though.

[@hansipanzi]

this not how it works, smooth brain

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

And Nvidia wanted to give us a "RTX 4080 12 GB" with even less performance for like 900 bucks or so... remember!

[@Larwood.]

Seems fitting to add the 4070 Ti and 7900 XT to these numbers, especially given the 7900 XTX is closer in price to the 4070 Ti than to the 4080.

[@DigitalJedi]

When you look at it that way, for $150 more than the 4070ti (local to me at least) you get 2x the vram and pretty similar RT performance. Not a bad proposition.

[@wertyuiopasd6281]

The 7900XT is faster than the 4070ti super 16gb, so there's no need to.

[@jerryquesenberry2520]

Love the continuing updated contend on current video cards. Thanks for doing this type of work

[@anariasiseve5349]

Happy with my 4080. Basically the same performance without RT, a little bit better with RT...and a lot lower power consumption. But AMD is really catching up, happy to see that! :) Went already team red with CPU for the first time, maybe next upgrade it's all team red :) But then, Nvidia is printing so much money with AI accelerators, they can beat AMD any time if they really want to just by throwing money at every problem.

[@cxngo8124]

unfortunately for you, leakers are saying AMD will not be making high end cards, it will be like RDNA 1 in that they will only make low and medium end cards.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

4080 is a 4070 super is a bad card and that's the WORST selling nvidia gpu EVER

[@Morne_Smith]

Appreciate the effort... I just cannot swallow the bitter pill of nvidia gpu's and their "superior" pricing... It smacks of an insult to gamers...and the RT thing is getting loooong in the tooth now. The AMD pricing of the 7900XTX is probably also not the most favourable...but it is much more palatable. I still think the next big thing will be AI assistance in games...rather than the frame trickery they all do know to blow up fps. I want my RTS games and bots to be smart and the NPC's in games to actually leverage the AI circuitry in the GPU's...

[@MietoK]

Ordered 7900 XTX today. First Radeon card for me since ATI Radeon 8500. Interested to see how it performs and are there any additional features like noise suppression etc. and how do they perform vs RTX. Also let’s see if Stable Diffusion works with it as well.

[@the_flushjackson]

How has it went?

[@johndoh5182]

Glad to see AMD has greatly improved drivers for these MCM variants of RDNA 3. And thanks Steve for doing this very detailed testing. LOTS of data there for people to look at and it's good you waited to make something like this because this is about where performance will stay for both Nvidia and AMD, though I'm sure with AMD there'll be two or three games that get decent improvements. It just takes AMD a long time to get their drivers up to high quality and RDNA 3 had to be harder with both MCM and non-MCM GPUs.

[@SMG59]

Just ordered my XTX. Hopfully be a good upgrade from my Rtx2080. I wanted the 4080 but couldnt justify spending £1300 on one , so got a 7900XTX for £850!

[@anthonybaker5199]

That's a huge upgrade, my friend. Congratulations 🍾

[@AthanImmortal]

I thought HUB usually included power data, am I imagining that? Anyway, VERY interesting results, that still leave a big question mark hanging on what games you really intend to play. The 7900XTX I feel will last a lot longer with it's 24GB of VRAM and wider bus, but when you're talking about spending $900-$1000 on a GPU (I hate this timeline) another $150-$200 on top for Ray-tracing performance could make sense if that's the kind of games you're playing.

[@mjc0961]

Usually, but I imagine for this you can just go back to the original 7900 XTX review. Power likely hasn't changed much. 4080 is still probably consuming a bit less power. And yeah, very interesting, they tie or the 7900 XTX barely wins on at least the rasterization comparison, but for every game benchmarked that I would play, the 4080 ties or wins. And there's other games where the 7900 XTX absolutely spanks, but I don't intend to play any of them. 4080 seems like a better choice for me, assuming black friday has some decent prices (I also hate this timeline)

[@Budfudlucker]

Outstanding review Steve, very informative and easy to follow .🤘🤙

[@TheKareem87]

Seems to me like unless you play very heavily Nvidia-leaning RT titles (e.g. CP2077, Ratchet and Clank) the 7900 XTX is the obvious choice by a fairly comfortable margin, at least for gaming. The average RT discrepancy with upscaling was 11% even when factoring in those relative outliers, so with 50% more VRAM and 15-20% cheaper...

[@kingsavage2272]

I got a 4080, brand new in box straight to my door for $850. An egregious price to be sure, but by far the best deal I seen this whole generation.

[@DKTD23]

Was that a Best Buy price botch or

[@MarekNowakowski]

i was surprised how good the 7900xtx was, even at RT.

[@PeterPauls]

What I realized, when the 7900 XTX has a way higher base frame rate, those are the only scenarios where the Ray Tracing is good, or low resolution Ray Tracing like in Far Cry 6. I think in real heavy RT, like in Ratchet and Clank, the 7900 XTX Ray Accelerators just sweat blood. RDNA 3 is not the greatest still in Ray Tracing but definetely improved from previous generation.

[@jinx20001]

Nothing surprising at all if you actually consider that it’s that close because he included quite a few AMD sponsored games all with garbage tier RT… I mean come on, can you notice RT in RE4? What about far cry 6 lol When games with actual decent RT at more than quarter res are included the 7900xtx goes back to reality… these AMD sponsored trash RT games are propping up the AMD number here. They wouldn’t dare add in stupid heavy RT games like portal or Minecraft because AMD cards would be in single digits and it would be considered unfair.

[@Merinzify]

@@jinx20001 Nvidia is clearly better at RT, no one is denying that.. but outside of cyberpunk, the rest is pretty much a demo of what can be done on an old game... and nobody cares...

[@leovanlierop4580]

There is RT and RT. Some games favor light RayTracing where it has some benefits against mild performance loss. But games with heavier RT and more stunning visuals favor the 4080 more. So I would call the latter more future proof as RT implementation is only going to get bigger.

[@jinx20001]

@@Merinzify you might not care about certain games, some people do… the Callisto protocol was a huge flop, the director of the game even left the company, decided to stop making games entirely… should we just say nobody cares about that game? How many people are still playing far cry 6? More to the point who is playing those games to get the ray tracing experience? Minecraft is one of the most popular games on the planet regardless of what you think of it and RT completely rewrites the game and how you play it, it’s an actual mind bending experience. To say it’s old and nobody cares but your ok with far cry 6 and Fortnite being tested just tells everything.

[@DodgeyWizard]

Thats for revisiting this much appreciated! 7900XTX looking like a much better deal now. I will pick a 7900XTX Sapphire on sale over a 4080, will save a few hundred AUD

[@VelcroSnake93]

Since, in my opinion, the only game where RT is actually worth it is CP2077, an even then mostly just for Path Tracing where you really need a 4090 to run it, I'd still take the 7900 XTX for the better rasterization, cheaper price and nicer driver software suite in terms of usability. Still gonna be a bit before we have a GPU aside from the 4090 that can really do RT well, and we need more games than just CP2077 where it makes a big visual difference.

[@ysnyldrm73]

Control is another good example for RT.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

I would rather take my 4070ti and play with path tracing. As I am.

[@PhilosophicalSock]

But you know, there are render resolutions, not just 4K. And both 4080 and 4070Ti are fine with path tracing, just not at 4K

[@B1u35ky]

The 4080 can do RT just fine and way better than the 7900xtx. It’s also just as good in raster lol

[@PineyJustice]

Lumen looks better than RT in CP2077 and doesn't completely destroy your framerate. Lumen is the future.

[@eliceomartinezmejias867]

What a good video guys. I am always interested on DLSS/FSR and mostly ray tracing performance. So thanks guys

[@cameronfrye5514]

So it looks like even taking modern feature sets into consideration these cards have pretty much achieved parity at their current price point. I have a question, although you may have answered it elsewhere... looking at the 3 games that were a complete blowout by Nvidia with RT on, were those titles designed specifically to take advantage of the RT cores? As games add RT options to their graphics settings do you see this RT performance disparity becoming more common?

[@PhilosophicalSock]

Yep. RTX is designed to have a bit less raster capabilities, but much more RT power. So the more RT workload you put into a game - the more 4080 takes the lead. Those games where the XTX won literally use just a tiny bit of RT, nothing else

[@HxR-eSports]

"were those titles designed specifically to take advantage of the RT cores?" Of course they were. But the fact that nobody ever mentions this is why I'll never take these comparisons video's seriously. Everyone and their dog knows Cyberpunk is a Nvidia paid RT showcase. But it's never mentioned, and they always cover it with such surprise in the vids. It's pathetic.

[@PhilosophicalSock]

@@HxR-eSports Okay, dud. Give us an example of a path-traced game made for Amd, so we can stop being pathetic with those Cyberpunk tests

[@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418]

​​@@HxR-eSports🤦 AMDs RT accelerators are pretty close when only a single RT effect is in play. When you start adding multiples that's when perf starts to fall off a cliff and the latency in the GPU being able to get the frame out skyrockets. That was especially true with RDNA2 with RDNA3 it's still true but not as bad as it was. Cyberpunk is one of the few games that will use every RT feature and enhancement going hence why it cripples AMD GPUs the game is just a bit too much. I own GPUs with RDNA2, RDNA3 and Lovelace. I only run RT titles on the NVidia card not worth it on the other two and I have to say DLSS really does crap on FSR when compared 🤷. I'm interested to see if FSR3 has done anything for image quality on the AMD cards.

[@MiraPloy]

@@HxR-eSports I don't get what you're saying, so games SHOULDN'T use hardware acceleration when hardware is available? Because AMD doesn't have RT cores if any games use RT cores it's unfair in the benchmark?

[@dougquaid570]

Just picked up the Hellhound xtx. Great card. No hassle with drivers either. DO IT NOW!!!

[@alen2937]

I got my 7900xtx at launch. I usually change GPUs after some of them get a breaktrhough, in this case for me was the 24gb of VRAM. Raytracing is a gimmick and so does many of the frame generation technologies. Maybe in the future they are relevant but right now activating them is always a compromise and I do not like that.

[@danielpindell1267]

It's only a gimmick if your GPU can't handle it.

[@alen2937]

@@danielpindell1267 my GPU can easily handle it specially at 1080p which is the resolution I play at high refresh rate, is just a gimmick with little to no extra eye candy.

[@onyachamp]

​@@danielpindell1267yeah nah, it's a resource hog gimmick

[@offspringfan89]

If AMD GPUs had higher RT performance than Nvidia I doubt you would say it's a gimmick. Like frame generation was a Nvidia "gimmick" to AMD fanboys until AMD made its own technology, and then the narrative instantly changed.

[@alen2937]

As mentioned above, is a hog gimmick. If it were to not todrop that much the framrate maybe another thing could be, otherwise it is still crap. @@offspringfan89

[@florianmaik]

Thanks for adding the DLSS and FSR results, I am most curious about this

[@YTSZAZU]

Waiting for Tim's review of FSR 3

[@ScotsmanGamer]

the one who rides of the coat tails of him!? tim is a bore fest who is clueless in the Q & A and looks to him like he is constantly undressing him!

[@mmadevgame]

Was waiting for this vid. Thanks

[@wikwokwikwukwok]

Maybe this is the first time NVIDIA Fanboys love Steve's Content

[@MSJChem]

My Zotac Airo Amp Extreme 4080 will sit at 2700 Mhz all day long using around 200 - 250 W (undervolted). Excellent efficiency and barely breaks a sweat.

[@Haarba1]

I mean RT is a pretty cool thingy, its not like they always do as much as in Nvidia tech demo. Riftbreaker for example looks pretty good with or w\o RT, shadows look even better w\o RT imho, at least they looked, played it last time pretty long time ago.

[@glamdring0007]

I have played a lot of Riftbreaker (an embarrassing amount really) running on a Radeon 6800 and have found the RT effects to be well optimized and overall performance is stellar. I think some game developers, like the Ratchet & Clank and the Cyberpunk 2077 teams, must just focus on RTX gpus...it's really the only explanation as to why some titles are pretty much at parity with RT effects while others are oddly very far apart.

[@hugotakayama6963]

fsr3 has just been released a few days ago, and not all games have it, while dlss3 from nvidia has already been on the market for a long time, although there are some games with dlss 3.5. I want to see that review again, maybe in about 7 months or a year when there are more games with fsr 3.0

[@MeticulousTechTV]

It’s really impressive that in 2 gens, AMD got within

[@kobusdowney5291]

Actually, from what I've seen, RT capability between RDNA2 and RDNA3 scales about the same as radter performance. Many more light ray traced games have been released, and driver updates puts RDNA2 relative RT performance similar to RDNA3

[@JanM2]

If you look at selected games like cyberpunk, you can clearly see that the difference is as large as it was with RDNA2 vs RTX3000. In fact, it seems neither AMD or Nvidia have really improved ray tracing performance all that much, it seems more likely that theyre holding back to bring a bigger upgrade with RDNA4 and RTX5000. The reason for why youre still seeing only a 10% overall performance difference I believe is down to the fact that recent titles like Jedi survivor or UE5 games like Fortnite only put a 10% RT performance tax on the performance unlike cyberpunk whose workload is way more taxing. And likely because the workload is so light, the difference between both GPU architectures is also only about 10%. I'm not sure though whether this is down to the RT workloads in those games just being significantly lighter than Cyberpunk or if maybe the workload is more equally optimized for both GPUs or if its both of those answers at once

[@KneppaH]

@@JanM2 Yeah, 1 or 2 low res raytracing features on selected objects or surfaces vs full blown path tracing on the entire game world makes a big difference.

[@anemone5870]

​@@JanM2 Most likely implementation issue in cyberpunk case. That game is like Nvdia tech demo at this point, even their own gpu rely on heavy use of upscaling just to get it running at acceptable frame rate. Jedi survivor performance hit only look comparable because everyone get cpu limited when you turn it on.

[@theriddick]

The data is being twisted because some of those decently performance RT games with AMD are not really doing full RT and is basically RT Lite mode which AMD do ok with. AMD is still %30-50 behind in pure RT performance and on top of that basically unusable with PT.

[@gravtex]

Can you comment on the stability of the cards? Was there any noticeable difference? Had a bad experience with stability on team red years ago and have been hesitant to come back since all the performance in the world is a bit of a moot point when you’re constantly crashing.

[@Hugh_I]

My RNDA2 card had no stability issues so far. From what I've seen online, the last time there were such issues was at the release of RDNA1, until they sorted out the drivers. All RDNA2&3 drivers were solid stability wise from day1.

[@TheUniversalEyes]

7900 XTX is $1000, the 4080 is $1200+ dollars, so the winner is the 7900 XTX.

[@cryptojohnny7781]

Cheaper and the Red Devil is eye candy , its a win for me. I currently have a RTX3080 and have my RTX7900XTX on order.

[@Painless201]

Got my RX 7900 XTX for 600€ and I can't complain. I really want a 4090 but to pay more than double this price is not worth it.

[@arbernuka3679]

Used ?

[@darth_dunedain106]

Great breakdown and love that you did native, rt and upscaling. Also both are impressive cards

[@LordWallace]

My 7900xtx recently died but was within store warranty and I ended up exchanging it at Microcenter for a 4080 ngl while I'm thrilled to have better upscaling and RT those 4k results were surprising and kind of stung considering I paid extra out of pocket for a now noteworthy downgrade in raster there. Also miss Adrenalin, Nvidia control panel and Experience are just not very good to work with. Both are still fine gpus regardless and both need to come down in price. Though I will say there may be some QA issues with the current gen Radeons seeing as they seem to get returned a lot at my local Microcenter and the staff even coined the term "the Radeon curse" referring to that. Unless a bunch of people are just copping Starfield for free then returning which is possible, mine was a genuine dud though.

[@michygeorg]

Which brand/model of XTX was it?

[@LordWallace]

@michygeorg Sapphire Pulse. Surprising because my old Sapphire Pulse 6800xt still works in my girlfriends PC years later

[@onomatopoeia162003]

what was wrong with it?

[@LordWallace]

@onomatopoeia162003 hard to say. I suspect it had something to do with a Windows update really not playing well with the latest drivers at the time, but basically after turning my PC on the card would run at full blast while black screening trying to get into Windows indefinitely, but I could get into BIOS then into safe mode to run DDU after which I got into normal Windows and tried to reinstall the latest drivers from clean. Instant black screen again in the middle of install, after which the card I guess burned itself out because before I could repeat the process to try older drivers the card suddenly stopped powering on at all. A quick switch to an old 6600xt I had lying around confirmed that it was dead, as that one powered on instantly.

[@michygeorg]

@@LordWallace Crazy. I hope it's not widespread across brands. I'm hoping to get a good black Friday deal on a Merc edition from XFX or a Red Devil

[@Le_Mon9]

I hope you also include your thoughts on driver level FMF in your video and not just limited to the 2 games that are officially supported.

[@NaokiWatanabe]

Worth also mentioning the RDNA3 parts have modern DisplayPort 2.1 while the 4080 is limited to DP1.4. That's only a problem today if you want to get a Neo G9 but it might be more relevant down the line.

[@cl_0ud470]

Looking at the monitor market in China, I'd expect the monitor market to be more competitive with new standards coming to lower priced products in the coming years. So this is already quite a concern to me.

[@bournechupacabra]

"The 7900 XTX needs to be at least 15% cheaper to compete with the 4080" Wait, what? The card is faster in rasterization and only 10% behind on ray tracing. Why does it need to be *at least* 15% cheaper?

[@Antilli]

Pure anti-AMD bias by reviewers.

[@exe16]

Funny how the 7900XTX is getting the upper hand on the 4080 at higher resolutions, guess the 24GB of VRAM wasn't a waste after all..

[@dhaumya23gango75]

It has more to do with the 4080's lower 256 bit bus rather than the vram.

[@MrNinfofan]

In my country the 4080 is currently at 1500 USD (cheapest model from aorus), and the 7900xtx is 1000usd (top end model, sapphire nitro) easy choice for me at least

[@Wineblood]

It's amazing how the 7900 XTX is 16% cheaper with a similar level of performance across the board and the conclusion ends up as "it's viable". Then again I don't imagine the number of people who give a shit about cards in this price range is that big.

[@sgtBONGwater]

The issue is people who buy this class of card tend to play games like cyberpunk, not fortnite and cod.

[@ElysaraCh]

It's really great to see that in your average, typical Raytracing-enabled workload is finally starting to tax the Radeons less, relatively speaking, and bringing the RT-enabled results a little bit closer together. On launch this fight was basically "XTX comparable in raster but significantly worse in RT", now it's much more of a "Trades blows across the board" scenario. It's clear that AMD really has improved the RT capabilities with RDNA3 now. It'll be interesting seeing more console ports / multi-platform games optimized for consoles come into the PC space as well, since they'll be optimized for Radeon's RT capabilities. I think RDNA3's raytracing capabilities will age much better than many people have expected, and the gap will likely close even more visibly with RDNA4. Also, I really hope that AMD comes out with something comparable to Ray Reconstruction ASAP.

[@ElysaraCh]

It looks to me like it's largely dependent on how many rays the render engine uses. I've read of a CP2077 mod that reduces the number of rays that supposedly bolsters Radeon performance by a large margin without impacting image quality too drastically. I do know that Radeon's RT implementation is much better at processing rays-in-flight than ray intersections (afaik their RT pipeline can do 4 rays in flight OR 1 intersection...) which would definitely bog down pretty hard when calculating too many rays at once. It'd be nice if this was something we could adjust in games...

[@atomickrispies]

This was my reasoning to moving to the 7900xtx from a 3080. I *really* do not care about raytracing at all and disable it in all my games.

[@savage1787]

Yeah me too man, couldnt care less about raytracing and dlss

[@FrostyBud777]

I am so excited to see FSR3 in cyberpunk with frame generation! Already tried the preview driver and when it works, it is awesome!

[@arnoldasm7300]

just to make sure FSR 3 frame generation is not the same as FLUID motion frames in new adrenalin update, i think . There is still no implementation in cyberpunk for fsr 3 frame generation as i see now

[@Adrian-is6qn]

It's simple really if you are just interested in only rasterization performance get 7900XTX. If you want RT and are interested in extra features nvidia offers, get the 4080 . I personally got my 4080 second hand for 850$ and i'm very happy with it. I've more CPU issues to be honest, playing Baldur 3 now and act 3 is a heaaavy on my 13600k lol.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

I don't see any "extra features" that would interest a typical gamer even more these days! In many RT titles the AMD card is on the same level with the Nvidia card. Of course there need to be titles like Cyberpunk in which Nvidia has an advantage - because they do RT a generation longer and CDPR seem Cyberpunk wanting to be also a tech demo like Crysis was. In other titles like Spiderman or Hogwarts the AMD card delivers RT performance. But what else is there? You also get encoding support for streaming and rendering. VR is also possible, headsets like Quest 2 being well supported. A good driver support... Path Tracing being the only current one ... which only runs half good on 4090. But other than that I don't see any interesting "extra features" with Nvidia. It was this way like 2 gens before ... but AMD caught up quite well.

[@orlandogarrido527]

​@@hassosigbjoernson5738Although Nvidia is much better at streaming as well as in virtual reality. The 7900xtx in virtual reality performs significantly below. One point that Nvidia has is that it is much more compatible with software to work with.

[@Adrian-is6qn]

​@@hassosigbjoernson5738 ​ 1.DLSS has far better visual quality than FSR especially on presets below quality,. 2.RT Performance diference is very big between those cards, yes sometimes they might match but some games utilize very little RT so that's where the smaller gaps come from generally.Now with RayReconstruction AMD is gonna be behind with RT Visual quality on top of performance. 3. VR support on AMD is shit 4. DLAA which i don't think AMD has any equivalent for i use it in Baldur's Gate 3 right now and it makes game look significantly sharper and overall better looking - it might not mean much in the grand scheme but it is example. 5. There's also tech that enchances video quality but i can't recall what it's called right now, i recall it's enabled in nvidia control panel. 6. Frame Generation - i would mark this one as undecided at the moment we simply don't know enough to say if FSR3 can match DLSS3 but from what i can see in Immortals of Aveum, nvidia has superior latency when using their tech vs FSR3. It might get better but i don't judge on possible future updates but what's here and now. Those are just examples of the top of my head. Whether you care about those things enough to pay extra for them is personal decision but nvidia does give something extra for their higher prices. I think in general if someone is spending 1000$ (which is absurd amount of money for a GPU already ) for 7900XTX then most people would prefer to spend that 10-15% extra and get the best possible experience. And i think market shares reflect that. But as i said it's always personal choice. I've got 4080 and don't regret my purchase at all, the only issue with the card i've is that it's so powerful even my new 13600k can't cut it in some instances ;)

[@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418]

​​@@hassosigbjoernson5738🤦11% or worse drop off in RT at 4K when you're sub 60fps is not good on such an expensive card. AMD have made a card that's perfectly decent at 1080p or 1440p for RT. The problem is it's a 4K card🤦. The iffy RT perf at higher resolution is why I bought a 4080 I specifcally wanted it for 4K and the raster perf is generally similar enough to not be an issue.

[@Valenzx718]

I've owned a 7900xtx for over a year and I just bought a 4080 non super for $780.00 to replace it. I've had so many driver timeouts and the power draw is crazy sitting @ 350-370w with spikes over 500w. The idle is also 80-90w. I love the card and it's powerful but not for me. I am going to miss the 24g of vram as I play mostly in 4k.