Raf al Yadayn (Raising the Hands) in Salah | Defending the Hanafi Madhab Ep. 1

Shaykh Noorud-deen Rashid address the issue of Raf al Yadain in Hanafi Madhab.
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[@zee8382]

Salaam, as a hanbali this was a very interesting watch. Barakallahu feek.

[@abubakr7304]

Athari too?

[@yourstruly5706]

​@@abubakr7304if you mean tafweedi, then likely yes.

[@anamuslim627]

where are you from ?

[@zee8382]

@@anamuslim627United Kingdom

[@HanefijskiMezheb]

May Allah reward you, ameen.

[@DawudWahid]

Such a great video Sheikh, very well explained. JazakAllah Khair

[@genaronunes1590]

Great Work Shiehk love your videos and your lessons

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

The thing which convinces me is that the Khulafa Rashideen prayed without Raf'ul Yadain so they're obviously more knowledgeable in what was the Prophet's SAW last practice.

[@jakblack1744]

Did they?

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@jakblack1744 Yes they did. You want the refrences?

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@jakblack1744 I can prove abandoning of Rafa' Yadain from Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali RA.

[@mdshahadat-o3z]

​@@BLACKPANTHER-m1hthere are hadith from abu bakr,ali (ra) saying prophet did raf ul yadain.now do you want reference?

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@mdshahadat-o3z all of them are week. I already know the refrences. They are in Abu Daud and Ibn Majah (from Mola Ali RA) and in Bayhaqi (from Abu Bakr RA).

[@ambengfan]

Much appreciated! Loving ur videos.. Could u do one for dua qunut where the shafies make dua in their salah

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@@ambengfan After the ruku' in witr?

[@user-gc2ln8fy1f]

This isn't a shafi'i thing. It's permissible to make dua in Salah during a calamity in the last rakah

[@MirOmran]

BarakAllahu feekum shaykhna

[@funnymoneys8328]

Perfect

[@GabrielA-mw4in]

Why can't we take the hadeeth "pray as you have seen me pray" as general advice and ruling i.e. standing ruku, sujood etc...and not literally every motion and gesture? What have the scholars said about this hadeeth? Would that not explain all the narrations of various forms of the Salah?

[@BK_Beloved]

May Allah reward you. As someone who is not Hanafi, I do not understand why you have to "defend" the Hanafi madhab. It is 1 of the 4 widely accepted fiqh schools in the ummah. Explaining the positions of the school is one thing, but needing to "defend" the madhab sounds bizzarre imo. Allah knows best.

[@abdulwakil2613]

It is the most attacked madhab by pseudo salafis and others alike. It does require defending.

[@BK_Beloved]

@ madhab positions have always been attacked historically. Sometimes even the madhab themselves. Its old and redundant “defending” a madhab at this point when the whole ummah knows their status. Allah knows best

[@truth-z7x]

Great video Ustadh but please deal with Asrar Rashid first. He has caused a lot of confusion and you need to clarify more. He has praised an insult against the Prophet peace be upon him dont let him get away with it

[@navoxford8406]

I agree that issue is far more important that Rafayadan. Please don't get distracted from the important issue.

[@TrueSunni]

Yes sh Nurudin please dont get distracted. The Prophet peace be upon him is more important Keep making clear the blasphemy of Brelvis espec Asrar he is thier leader

[@hurricaneboy6479]

What did he said about the prophet muhammad saw and what are the blasphemy of the barwlvis, can someone explain

[@AshariMaturidi123]

The student of Asrar and Sh Nurudin both agreed it was a Kufr statement? What else needs to be said

[@yourstruly5706]

He can't deal with sheikh Asrar because he was crafting a narrative to defend the Deobandi blasphemy. It backfired massively

[@abu_muawwiya_bin_ali]

Didnt shiekh abdul qadir gilani do raf ul yadain???

[@TrueSunni]

With due respect sh Nurudin this is not the time to be speaking about rafa yadain. Asrar Rashid has insulted the Prophet peace be upon him I urge you please deal with that first. It is about our Prophet peace be upon him. Please

[@truth-z7x]

Agreed please dont move on. Stick to Sufi and Brelvi blasphemy

[@aliawan8242]

@@truth-z7x Enough of this sectarian drama, people are here to learn, not to dispute with each other. He already made videos about him. Move on

[@TrueSunni]

​@@aliawan8242no don't move on until Asrar publicly clarifies his disgusting mistake

[@abuismaeel6085]

I refer you to imam al bukhari's juzz ul raful yadain - available in English online

[@shan01]

Have you read it. I doubt it.

[@jakblack1744]

@@shan01yes read it and whoever uses this hadith against rafayadein see what imam bukhari ra says

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

Well the contents of the book aren't authentically attributed to him because 1 of the book's marrators is Muhammad bin Umar al Tabarzand who is a fasiq according to the Muhaddithun who usually didn't even pray!

[@n.s.5278]

But imam Bukhari is much later than imam Abu Hanifa who was a tabi'i

[@jakblack1744]

@@BLACKPANTHER-m1h Al-Shaikh Umar bin Muhammad bin Tabarzad, Born in 516 H, died in 607 H. Some people have criticized him due to him being lazy in the matters of deen, but Hafidh Ibn Nuqtah said: he is thiqa

[@TrueSunni]

The issue is clear Asrar defends and praises insults aginst the Prophet peace be upon him True Muslims hate and condemn insults against the Prophet peace be upon him Sh Nurudin hates and condemns insults against the Prophet peace be upon him

[@yourstruly5706]

😂 alright kid, that's why he was crafting a narrative to excuse the deobandi blapshemies

[@navoxford8406]

I strongly disagree with sh nooruddeen this is not the time to speak about Fiqh differences Asrar and his mob are praising insults against the Prophet peace be upon him. Deal with that only. Nothing else is important. You should know this better than me. Please stop moving on. The Asrar issue is not finished it is too big

[@elprofesor8571]

Placement of hands in salah below the navel is also raised as an issue

[@jassimarsingh6505]

even in hanbali madhab this is the dominant opinion

[@elprofesor8571]

@jassimarsingh6505 I'm aware

[@aliawan8242]

@@elprofesor8571 This is also a hanbali position.

[@elprofesor8571]

@@aliawan8242 I'm aware

[@aliawan8242]

@@elprofesor8571 I misread the other commenter's reply. I thought he said hanafi, my bad.

[@mdshahadat-o3z]

Fear Allah sheik.how can you lie about the hadith of sahih muslim? Chapter: The Command To Be Calm During The Prayer And The Prohibition Of Gesturing With One's Hand And Raising It When Saying The Salam; And Completing The First Rows, Aligning In Them, And The Command To Come Together When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses? This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left. To those who fear Allah.read the heading and the full hadith.and see how this man lied about the hadith from sahih muslim. Also malik bin huairis says hi to the hanafis...

[@IslamAnswers]

Please check the reference provided before accusing someone of lying. The Hadith quoted by Shaykh is from Sahih Muslim was number: 430 - 119. This Hadith does not speak about Salam, it is a general statement. Imam al-Ayni (855H) explained that the narrations are sperate and this one refers to raising the hands at Ruku and Sujood (See Sharh Abi Dawood vol 3 p 297). As for Imam al-Bukhari have a different view on Raff al-Yadayn, this is well known and respected. However, it is not obligatory for all scholars to agree with the views of Imam al-Bukhari.

[@mdshahadat-o3z]

@IslamAnswers 430,431,432 no hadiths heading is same.and that is the proof that prophet pbuh wasn't talking about rafa ul yadain. Also are you saying prophet pbuh used to gesture his hand like horse tail in his salah all his life? Also why do you do it in witr and eid prayer? Where does the hadith about horse tail go at that time?🤣

[@mdshahadat-o3z]

@@IslamAnswers.

[@IslamAnswers]

​@@mdshahadat-o3z The point is not to start a debate with you. It was a clarification and a reminder for you not to accuse people without checking. The Hadith provided by Shaykh in the video was not the same as the one you provided and as for headings, they are not part of the Hadith. If you want to discuss the Hanafi position on Witr and Eid, please join the monthly live Q&A with Shaykh Noorud-deen.

[@shekishral6570]

Jazak Allahu hajran, Pleas more videos like this and less or no videos dealing with specific persons!

[@navoxford8406]

Nope . Defending the Prophet peace be upon him is more important. Asrar and his followers insult the Prophet peace be upon him. Sh Nurudin is the only one calling it out

[@TrueSunni]

You must be an Asrar fan. Sh Nurudin has to deal with Asrar because Asrar praised an insult against the Prophet peace be upon him

[@shekishral6570]

@ I was Not interessant in seeing all those debate videos but as you made an accusation of a person I went and saw the meeting video and the video related, I didnt hear any kufar statement from Asrar!

[@shekishral6570]

@@TrueSunni Im only fan of Rasulullah a.s, i didn‘t found such a statement from Asrar maybe you can send me the video where he dose that!

[@TrueSunni]

​@@shekishral6570I don't think a true fan of the Prophet peace be upon him would have said what you said Anyway this is the best video kzbin.infoVsQbSxm0XTs?si=O9WUHkY1vCC4_086

[@navoxford8406]

Aqeedah Asrariyah (Barelvi Creed) 1, Awliyah have license to insult Allah most high and his Messenger ﷺ 2, Insulting the Prophet ﷺ is a Karamah 3, Revelation did not end with the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ

[@mdshahadat-o3z]

@@navoxford8406 bro can you give me contex?

[@MiguelPrado786]

You will be questioned by Allah for ascribing this falsely to Asrar Rashid - it is clear that these are kufr and that he does not affirm these at all. Fear Allah and don't let sectarianism blind you. Asrar Rashid literally said in the meet that the statements are kufr, not only that, the Barelwis themselves released fatawa over 100 years ago denouncing the statements and declaring them as kufr. Just because you belong to one group does not mean you strawman and belie another group - as a muslim you ought to be just even when dealing with opposing groups, represent their views correctly then tackle them - not strawman them. Shameless behaviour.

[@bilalsiddiqui2177]

So why do we (Hanafis) go against the hadith in Sahih Muslim which negates raising the hands when we perform the eid prayers?

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

Because they are an exception by consensus. Their Raf'ul Yadain didn't get abrogated as the entire ummah has always practiced upon it.

[@mdshahadat-o3z]

@@BLACKPANTHER-m1h you will say anything that fits your position? If raf ul yadain is abrogated. It should be abrogated from every salah. But you do it on eid prayer so it is halal now..🤣🤣 I'm losing interest from intellectual arguments with hanafis.because you lie too much..

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@mdshahadat-o3z Well the Rafa' Yadain for going into and and coming up from ruku', sajdah and julus has been abrogated. This has absolutely nothing to do the the Rafa' Yadains for the extra takbeers of 'Eid or Witr.

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@@mdshahadat-o3z We never say that Rafa' Yadain is impermissible, its just less virtous than abandoning it but this doesn't apply to 'Eid because of consensus. Do you understand?? If something has been practices by the entire ummah, it can't be denied.

[@BroJaabir]

That’s a nice way of glazing over the issue. The question is, “If there are aHaadeeth supporting both opinions, why do we as Hanafi’s view this opinion as more correct than the other?”

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

Because thats how the khulafa Rashideen and more knowledgeable sahabah prayed, and because thats what was the inherited practice of the early generations. Imam Malik RA didn't see the people of Madinah do Rafa' Yadain either.

[@yourstruly5706]

It's viewed as more correct because the Ulema amongst the sahaba didn't do it and teach it as ancfive sunnah. It's why the Hanafis and Malakis don't do it. The latter Imams decided to latch onto a hadith and even they hold the view It's not necessary.

[@navoxford8406]

Asrar Rashid praised an insult against the Prophet peace be upon him and now he is silent He is worse than Deobandis.

[@Thumb.Shooter]

This guy is a liar. The hadith he quoted is longer than what he stated and has nothing to do with rafa al yadain. The full hadith and it's context is below. Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating)" Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand. Sahih Sahih Muslim, 431 b In-Book Reference: Book 4, Hadith 133 USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 4, Hadith 867

[@IslamAnswers]

Please check the reference provided before accusing someone of lying. The Hadith quoted by Shaykh is from Sahih Muslim was number: 430 - 119. This Hadith does not speak about Salam, it is a general statement. Imam al-Ayni (855H) explained that the narrations are sperate and this one refers to raising the hands at Ruku and Sujood (See Sharh Abi Dawood vol 3 p 297).

[@Thumb.Shooter]

@IslamAnswers no it doesn't. It's refers to the same incident. Very misleading.

[@IslamAnswers]

​@@Thumb.Shooter You said he is a liar because the Hadith he quoted is longer than what he said. Once again, that is objectively false, go read (430 - 119): حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَأَبُو كُرَيْبٍ، قَالَا: حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الْأَعْمَشِ، عَنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ بْنِ رَافِعٍ، عَنْ تَمِيمِ بْنِ طَرَفَةَ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ: خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَقَالَ: «مَا لِي أَرَاكُمْ رَافِعِي أَيْدِيكُمْ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ خَيْلٍ شُمْسٍ؟ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلَاةِ قَالَ: ثُمَّ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا فَرَآنَا حَلَقًا فَقَالَ: «مَالِي أَرَاكُمْ عِزِينَ» قَالَ: ثُمَّ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا فَقَالَ: «أَلَا تَصُفُّونَ كَمَا تَصُفُّ الْمَلَائِكَةُ عِنْدَ رَبِّهَا؟» فَقُلْنَا يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ، وَكَيْفَ تَصُفُّ الْمَلَائِكَةُ عِنْدَ رَبِّهَا؟ قَالَ: «يُتِمُّونَ الصُّفُوفَ الْأُوَلَ وَيَتَرَاصُّونَ فِي الصَّفِّ

[@Thumb.Shooter]

@IslamAnswers yes, the hadith he quoted is another narration of a longer hadith. It also has nothing to do with rafa al yadain. That's why he's a liar.

[@IslamAnswers]

@@Thumb.Shooter It seems you are fixated on calling him a liar even though the Arabic has been provided to show it's a different Hadith than the one you quoted. I have also given you reference to Imam al-Ayni, a Hadith scholar, who explained these narrations are not the same. However, it would appear that anyone that doesn't agree with your views must be a liar so no point continuing the discussion.

[@MuslimKnightChannel]

What’s “Rafa” my dear bros? Might want to correct that.

[@sorrtt]

i believe it means raising / to raise because the root word for "raise" is (ر ف ع)

[@MuslimKnightChannel]

@ yes I speak Arabic. I meant “rafa” isn’t a word.

[@saaqibjilani1556]

although this is enlightening, but for a layman, it would be better to have a scholar from the opposing viewpoint to explain their position in light of the aforementioned ahadith

[@Thumb.Shooter]

Did you deliberately leave the first half of the hadith you mentioned as a refutation of rafa al yadain? Hmm, very disingenuous. Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating)" Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand. Sahih Sahih Muslim, 431 b In-Book Reference: Book 4, Hadith 133 USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 4, Hadith 867

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

Well we're talking about 430A, you're the one who's deceiving.

[@Thumb.Shooter]

@BLACKPANTHER-m1h can you quote that here?

[@Thumb.Shooter]

431a doesn't help you either. Jabir b. Samura reported: When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses? This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left. Sahih Sahih Muslim, 431 a In-Book Reference: Book 4, Hadith 132 USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 4, Hadith 866 (deprecated numbering scheme)

[@BLACKPANTHER-m1h]

@@Thumb.Shooter Jabir b. Samura reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to us and said: "How is it that I see you raising your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer."... Sahih Muislim 430a I was referring to 430 sorry

[@Thumb.Shooter]

@@BLACKPANTHER-m1h Brother, 430 is referring to the same thing as is the previous ahadith I quoted. It's the same wording and is referring to the same incident.

[@abuismaeel6085]

Brother please read imam nawawis commentary on the hadith in sahih muslim, this does not refer to the raful yadain in the prayer (going to ruku and on standing)

[@abuismaeel6085]

Very poor evidences, imam abu hanifahs students like abu yusuf and Abdullah ibn mubarak prayed with raful yadain

[@abdulhaseeb6091]

Abu Yusuf didn't neither did Muhammad Ash Shaybani. Neither did Imam Malik. And Imam Malik didn't record anyone performing it amongst the tabi'un

[@genaronunes1590]

Please bring your proof @abuismaeel6085

[@abuismaeel6085]

You can refer to the Muwatta penned by Muhammad ibn Hassan ash shaybani, and imam Malik rahimahullah did pray with raful yadain and so did his followers there are many narrations, the hadith on raf ul yadain aren't only authentic they are mass transmitted from many companions (mutawatir), many hanafi scholars have actually encouraged it like Shah WaliAllah rahimahullah, but these comments are only for discussion purposes not to cause any division, we are all brothers and may Allah accept all our prayers. Ameen

[@genaronunes1590]

@@abuismaeel6085 I just purchased al shaybanis muwatta so I'll be happy to check I haven't seen raful yadain in any maliki fiqh books right now I have al ahkdari's muhktasar is you know of any fiqh books in the Malaki school that refer to raful yadain please let me know I'm just asking because it was a topic between some brothers and It seems to be that it's a true difference of opinion but that imam malik abu hanifa sufyan abu layth and companiones like umar Ali and ibn masud may Allah have mercy on them all took the opinion that it was only to be done at the beginning of the salat and I don't see how they could possibly be wrong. Just trying to see others point of view not trying to start an argument thank you and assalamualaikum

[@Datruthhurts-z4n]

@@abuismaeel6085you just gave him EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rathernot6660]

Off the bat he is lying. No one mentioned imam Abu hanifa rhm claimed he was wrong in doing rafah yadain.

[@truth-z7x]

What are you talking about are you friends with shaitan

[@Datruthhurts-z4n]

Which salafi scholar said imam Abu Hanifa ‘went against’ the hadith???

[@tanveersheikh9860]

defend islam not hanafiat. anwar shah kashmiri regretted defending hanafiat during his end days

[@INN-t9y]

Show me where he regretted it? Even if he did, he would have done so because he may have spent too much time on it.