Rage Time! Stop Fake Guitar Playing - Name & Shame

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[@LeviClay]

Ok people, I’m going to put this one and once only. Lucas responded... and I was right. I showed you a clip of him and told you that what you are seeing and hearing are not the same thing. And Lucas has acknowledged that (for some reason) he decided to post a clip when you could only hear the backing track. Hate all you want. I was absolutely right. At no point have I said Lucas was a bad player, or that he can’t play. Only that it’s not him playing on the clip you’re listening to (again, as in what you’re hearing isn’t him - it’s not a live guitar) I was right. So go cry somewhere else 😎

[@dudarino666]

Im literally listening to you saying to lucas "your not playing that".....this is probably while your a frungy sweaty shithead on youtube and that guy is making albums and selling tickets.....pick up your guitar and show me what REAL playing should look like. You bandwagon twinkie.

[@phpngpl]

Claiming that Lucas is going to make money off your shitshow while you promote your own products through this controversy displays the depth of your narcissism. I really pity you and I wish you don't go bankrupt because of your inability to apologise. Good luck to you.

[@walshythemusician]

That's a conveniently selective view to take on what happened. What matters is that your implication was that he doesn't play live, that he mimes, and you were entirely wrong about that. You could have said that while what we are hearing is not him playing, maybe he is in fact playing a guitar part that we can't hear in the video or that there might be some other explanation and that we shouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. Instead you immediately jumped to the conclusion that he doesn't play his guitar live at his concerts and instead mimes and that the people who pay to see him perform are being conned. That was your point and you know it. You now know that this is completely false but instead of apologising for making such a damaging accusation, you're now trying to create a loophole that gets you off the hook based on a technicality - It's true that what we hear in that particular video is not him but that doesn't change the fact that you accused him of miming at his concerts and of being a fraud which he isn't. You're clutching at straws in order to avoid admitting that you were wrong. That's cowardly and pathetic and it shows that you're not a person of good character.

[@Subtractinginfini]

Coming from the guy that called him fake anyway. It was a back track of a third guitar playing through his monitor as they don't have sound stage... He was actually playing his part different video same stage... So say whatever you want you clout chasing dingus.

[@russellzauner]

Sending more hate bc you're so shitty I feel I need to givie pity hits on bad notoriety bandwagoning bc you'll be alone again soon and that's sad

[@nathanielb1499]

why are people saying Lucas Mann can't play his riffs. Rings of saturns new album is lit af, stop whining.

[@thedude8526]

Lucas's video explained that clip well. That it was the prerecorded harmony portion playing through his monitor and not what he was actually playing. He showed another video from the same show where you can hear all three guitars playing during that exact same part.

[@benclark4244]

No one with a brain buys that explanation. You’re telling me you can only hear the monitor facing him and not his mix? Oh ok, so his volume is super low.

[@DevricDevereaux]

@@benclark4244 Watch the video. He explains it better than The Dude or I could. He also has DIs of his live playing.

[@MellonVegan]

@@benclark4244 Guess you have never been to a Volumes show or any other band that goes straight into the house. Depending on the band, that makes it quite unenjoyable but sometimes you can't hear the guitars AT ALL. I've been to shows like that. I've also seen Rings play live. I mean, at some point, Lucas stopped playing mid song and then continued at some point. How would you fake that? And why?

[@thedude8526]

@@benclark4244 Watch his video. He shows both clips and explains it in detail. The dude can shred. There is no doubt about it.

[@nickholmes3371]

The problem is that we are teaching people that speed = talent. They are desperate to be fast rather than being creative. I'm so bored of people who just wank out some fast licks that are terribly uncreative and emotionless....

[@Composer19691]

Nick Holmes ...Just look at those clowns who have metronome contests, playing notes per second. Ugh!

[@snaggletooth7031]

Nick Holmes i hear ya dude,its got no soul to it ,,wheres the jimi h n stevei r now out there,,aint none sweeping sounds like shittttt to me

[@papabroly8000]

Nick Holmes I’ll disagree to that. EVERY fucking comments section has some boomer dipwad complaining about music lacking “soul” because it’s too much information for them to handle. I highly fucking doubt that promoting speed is a popular motif in anyone’s playbook. Furthermore, “soul” is just the funny faces some jackass makes who doesn’t practice enough and tries to convey emotion through string bends and playing slower than normal as opposed to just relying on the melody and rhythm they chose for the song. It’s just as bullshit as mindless shredding. If anything, it, too, lacks “soul” because it’s all just pandering to an elitist crowd of old fucks that refuse to die off. *Shots fucking fired*

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

Don't talk about Vai, Malmsteen and Van Halen like that bro.

[@bultronlagore2095]

Papa Broly You are 100% correct sir. Also 9 times out of ten these people who are complaining are not musicians themselves or if they are they don’t have the ability to play fast so they bash what they can’t comprehend or are just being biased. You don’t have to like fast technical music but atleast respect the skill involved in playing it. Like I said the people who bash it who are not musicians themselves don’t even understand the technicality and skill involved in playing it.

[@omgdisfunny4852]

its the equivalent of taking steroids and trying to sell a protein shake saying "if you buy it, you will look the same"

[@decayingautarch302]

Amen!

[@rizqibayumantari6769]

If there's a guy who Fake natty who also a fake shredder..... I'm done with this world.

[@clookc1819]

Lucas stated that in that clip you’re hearing a pre-recorded harmony, and of the guy recording was a little further back you would’ve heard him and Joel playing simultaneously. Because they have no stage sound, and use the House speakers. No amps used on stage.

[@Steve-kc8pv]

It’s a one hand legato technique, he doesn’t need to use both hand because he has a fret wrap. Those aren’t pick hits, those are basically hammer ons

[@JuanDiaz-zw7cc]

Yeah, if you say you're a guitarist and you don't think playing legato is possible with one hand, you probably just suck. It's not even hard to do, just a series of hammer ons and pull offs like you said

[@Steve-kc8pv]

Juan Diaz exactly

[@RX120D]

@@Steve-kc8pv You guys are missing the point. The day you attempt to recreate these sounds is the day you'll realize that you are wrong. It's not that the parts are impossible to play, it's that the overlying backing track is a means to fake cleanliness. Anyone with enough practice can learn how to play these lines. They are not complex in any way, they are just fast. I'm willing to argue that 99.999% of guitarists will utterly fail to play as clean as the fake. There is a very good reason for that. HUMANS ARE NOT COMPUTERS. Computers execute tasks with perfection. Humans cannot possibly compete.

[@CephalicMiasma4]

@@RX120D Mate just watch the video Lucas posted breaking down that specific video and you will understand why your comment is wrong. He really thoroughly debunks it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a57UiqSNbKihotk

[@dookietoon7198]

@@RX120D a backing track live is not miming or faking ….and its not ment to fake cleanliness its for a harmony (3 part ) .

[@buhimoth]

The lip sync being out was a funny joke to begin with, but after a minute or so, it becomes very distracting!

[@confirmedleek]

FAKE!!! ;p

[@buhimoth]

Damien Omen EXE a lot of video editors have an auto sync function to prevent issues like this. . . in 2019, out of sync audio is a choice, of an accident!

[@trevortwigg1384]

I assumed it was maybe my headphones.

[@verstamp]

yeah but does anyone fake their guitar playing as hard as michael angelo fakes his hair

[@LeviClay]

that's an easy no

[@thedanksavatron7782]

Love MAB but that wig is insane!

[@ubatooba8467]

Michael Angelo's rug looks to be the same make, vintage and dye lot as the one that Ron Wood uses.....and Ron's "hair" has't grown or changed in 40 years.

[@leedemkiw6085]

Wha...... Michael Angelo has fake hair???? My blind....

[@TraumaHound]

He paid money for that hair?🤪

[@iniallator001]

Holy shit the video of Lucas live playing slowed down is the Final Fantasy prelude 😂

[@ShredmasterScott]

for sure

[@sspark2686]

Glad i'm not the only one hearing that

[@jscott1534]

@@sspark2686 we

[@sspark2686]

@@jscott1534 Ok

[@Spiritcr1jsher]

Absolutely right!!!

[@mikecurve]

I think you owe Lucas an apology man.

[@likeakloss]

the fuck he does. that conman posted this vid on his facebook and originally didn't say shit about how it wasn't him playing. only after being accused did he admit that the vid essentially depicted him miming because you can't hear the live guitar track. why post it then?

[@SpiralDream]

Lucas himself said that the audio wasn't of him playing, but of a backing track since it was filmed right in front of his monitor. Unless he specified that before the videos on him were made, then this guy calling him out isn't exactly in the wrong for saying that it isn't him playing, or that he was miming, but just that he wasn't aware. Plus, shitty deal for the audience in the front row at a RoS show lol. Enjoy just hearing a backing track.

[@mikecurve]

David Kloss Honestly man… I could debate this… But I think using your KZbin platform to call out other musicians is just second rate content. I think we should respect musicians that work hard to perfect their craft… And I believe Lucas Mann is one of those musicians.

[@mikecurve]

SepticSchizo955 I can see your point. I just hate seeing these fantastic guitarists like Lucas and the dude from Unprocessed get picked on because they’re “too good”, and everyone is just looking for a way or a reason to invalidate them.

[@likeakloss]

@@mikecurve i see where you're coming from. i don't think lucas mann is without redeeming qualities. there is evidence that he can play proficiently, but i still don't feel as though it vindicates him misrepresenting himself. what's more is that he's done this sort of thing in the past. i think he writes respectable music, and performs it respectably (when i can hear live audio), but time and time again i can't help but feel he's just trying to dupe his listeners. i can't say much with regard to levi clay's character, but understanding what little i do, i think he's in a unique position to pass judgment on content like this, at least more so than other channels that have uploaded these kinds of exposés.

[@scarymetalmanmatt8730]

Lucas Mann has debunked everything to do with his allocations and has proven his innocence

[@chizkeyk6929]

Because of this man many people believe on his shit about Lucas Mann that the guitar playing is fake.

[@ooferrell]

@@chizkeyk6929 same with jared...but yes so loved his hardcore fan base calls him a hero for apologizing lol.

[@littlefishbigmountain]

Unfortunately, it isn’t so easy to get the stain out.

[@scarymetalmanmatt8730]

GubbaNubNubDooRahKah which sucks. Because Lucas is such an amazing guitarist and he is inhumanly good, people don’t take a second to realise that with practice it is possible to be that good. You literally can’t do anything anymore without being accused of faking it :(

[@heaththedrummer666]

He’s been faking videos for a long time. He has a lot to explain kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5_FqZShj82XiKM

[@dubboyz4887]

Makes me realise what a monster Shawn Lane was !

[@2michaelgilbert]

Dude was unreal! Loved his playing.

[@joelthetrolls]

Yep, been a fan of him for nearly 2 years now. Still my favorite guitarist, incredible speed, vibrato and improvisation.

[@dubboyz4887]

Crimson Idol I agree 👍🏻I grew up listening to these guys , I’ve seen yngwie live amazing.Thing is these guys had to be able to do it , no internet or social media , they had to be able to bring it .

[@dubboyz4887]

Crimson Idol I’ve found some incredible new guitarists recently, one to check is Jakub zytecki , plays with Disperse .He can play it live to!!! Maxim Micic also good .i think there is some good honest young talent out there , just some letting it down for others

[@vn_1]

Gray pianos flying is one of my all time fav.

[@v-7815]

So many people coming out of the woodwork to hate on RoS lol. So much jelousy

[@brapamaldi7666]

id much rather spend money on ROS albums and show tickets than supporting any youtube guitarist via patreon or buying their boring 'music'. glad i have adblock for idiots like these youtube cloutchasers

[@SpiralDream]

Hated them before because of their shitty music, regardless of whether they fake it or not.

[@24avenged24]

@@SpiralDream Yup. Even if they could play what they write it doesn't make them sound any less formulaic.

[@DeathcoreHusky]

Brapamaldi dont forget that their argument are some shitty phone videos...they are so pathetic, youtubers need to stop thinking their opinions matters...

[@Rushtallica]

@@DeathcoreHusky: You DO realize that you fit your own description with your own opinions, don't you? :D

[@TheComedyGuitarGuy]

FYI: Ralph Macchio actually played the duel at the end of Crossroads and is now giving Skype lessons

[@camerons.7751]

I don't think that's true. I can play Ralph's finale part of the duel and while I think he did a great job miming the part for the movie, whatever he is miming is not even close to how its actually played.

[@camerons.7751]

@==/A\== Wow. How'd I miss that one? My bad.

[@Lance37a]

Well you know he practiced for about 6 months on a mountain top retreat with no one to bother him so he could play like a boss at the end of the movie.

[@alundralagunashaputra9762]

I can't say that Ralph actually play on the movie

[@jamoe666]

During a clinic, Steve Vai said he did both parts and Ralph mimicked it for the movie.

[@MrAndrewpederson]

If you watch Lucas' reply video to Jared he admits you are listening to a third guitar part (prerecording backing trax) while he is playing... However, that third guitar part is blaring through his floor wedge as his reference and is a harmony part for what he is actually playing. So technically you are right, he was playing the same pattern live but a harmony of what you are hearing because the recording device is so close to his floor wedge. He had other footage from further back in the crowd that prove he wasn't miming. This is a problem with bands who straight DI and don't use IEMs; low stage volume means the front couple rows of fans get the band's monitor mix rather than the FOH mix. LOL Not knocking your video just trying to add some context for a guy who seems to be collateral damage.

[@davidmorneau5260]

And all DI sound so blend too.

[@thegrimreaper7]

He admitted that the promotional video for his tour is fake, and has fake audio. I can't understand why people defend him, my faith in metal fans has left the planet

[@MrAndrewpederson]

@@thegrimreaper7 Maybe this will help you understand. Every professional promo is live footage with studio audio underneath.. because it is a short commercial. If you are expecting a band to throw a tour promo out there with actual live audio you are mistaken (it takes too much time and costs too much money to do this for a promo). In addition most touring bands use backing tracks because they have to cut costs while keeping a quality show to make any money. I don't know Lucas or Jared or Levi and I am not in the metal scene I just thought that there was new info out there (with Lucas explaining his side and literally playing those licks up to tempo) that everyone should see.

[@SamSan2256]

@@MrAndrewpederson I saw the footage and, I really don't get why, if we can hear drums (through room P.A.) we can't hear him. Gotta check back

[@MrAndrewpederson]

@@SamSan2256 The drums are the only thing live on the stage so the floor wedges\side fills would need to be louder as everyone other than the drummer never want to hear the drummer (speaking as a drummer). LOL Again, go look at his rebuttal video... He shows another fan video from further out from the FOH where you can hear he is actually playing. Also, he plays his exact lick up to speed in that video. This is my last post on this. I don't really care this much. LOL

[@sealinski]

Everyone should watch Lucas’s response video entirety.

[@papabroly8000]

sealinski This

[@joesmo8086]

This

[@mojangqt2142]

His response is actully valid tbh

[@ken_konstantine]

"That's not my guitar that you're hearing" (talking about his own promotional material). Thanks for clearing things up Lucas.

[@duckzstallard429]

@@ken_konstantine ever played leaf guitar live in a band. Your monitor should be full of the other guitarist. Levi is simply an idiot that's not payed attention when performing

[@JakeHowsamLowe]

Man, I’ve been wanting to outline all this stuff exactly as you have so thank you for doing it before I put the effort in. This is spot on.

[@guitartube5822]

Jake Howsam Lowe Yes! Hello to one of my new favorite guitar players! Been spinning your new EP daily. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 🔥🔥🔥🎸🎸🎸

[@JakeHowsamLowe]

@@guitartube5822 Thankyou!

[@tiaraguy7705]

Took him 3/4 of the video to get to the main topic and still was wrong about all of it

[@LeviClay]

It’s almost like there was no “main topic”, and no, I was absolutely right. What you’re seeing and hearing in the video he used to promote his band... are not the same thing

[@themetalslice7964]

I buy lucas's explanation tbh. They play with a click and a harmony track live and he doesnt really have much of his guitar in his monitor. Thats mostly the backing track. And the person recording that is right there infront of his monitor

[@PlayWithYourThumb]

I saw his response and he explains it well. BUT he openly says that bass, keyboards and 3rd guitar are prerecorded. That means that 43% of the "live" band is not on stage.

[@doublebassrox]

Peter Tiddy ok

[@WayoftheWhale]

Peter Tiddy a lot of bands use backing tracks like that so it’s not that big of a deal

[@SpiralDream]

Seems like a shitty deal for the fans in the front row who probably won't even be able to hear what the "live" guitars are doing, but instead the backing tracks. With everyone trying to sound exactly like they do on the records instead of improvising (which is a lost art in and of itself in live music), I can see why. Might as well just stay home and listen to the album recording anyways.

[@papabroly8000]

SepticSchizo955 No, see, you’re missing the appeal. While you could get off to feeling special about each live show being the only one of its kind, this genre (and, subsequently, its followers) aren’t concerned with entertainment through improvisation (or, as we’d probably put it, a disgusting lack of practice and/or knowing what the fuck you recorded on the album) as we are with getting what we payed for: a live overdubbing of the album and simply seeing our idols in the flesh.

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

I _knew_ there was no way Lil' Wayne could have pulled off such an incredible solo!

[@Al-ng1ug]

Nah man that was real Pretty cool

[@JJ-dq9tm]

Did you really just say that you musically dumb sack of shit. For now on your opinions are null and void. Please don't spread your stupidity.

[@jvc776]

its funny because everyone missed the joke in this comment

[@Al-ng1ug]

@@JJ-dq9tm Joke if you want but Lil' Wayne's vibrato is unmatched, and his phrasing impeccable. I don't see how anyone could dispute this.

[@Al-ng1ug]

@@JJ-dq9tm .

[@vigilance4749]

That Lucus Mann slowed down clip sounds like the Final Fantasy theme.

[@richardg5301]

I thought that it sounded like it when it was at full speed too. lol. FYI I don't even know the band or guitarist involved, just got some thing on side of youtube suggesting I watch it. I don't understand these youtuber videos being mad at other people with bad evidence. It's like TMZ or Access hollywood for guitar or something. He got my view though so I guess joke's on me.

[@jani14jani]

It also sounds a lot better slowed down.

[@thedanksavatron7782]

Vinnie Vincent was the godfather of speeding up his solos decades ago!

[@codyhansonbass]

@robert proctor she?

[@dirface]

@@codyhansonbass 'In recent years, Vincent has been the subject of wild online speculation, including that he has been cross-dressing and that he has undergone a sex change.'

[@gonzodajon]

Is the ROS guy just "playing" the arpegios from the Final Fantasy VII opening theme?

[@pizzajeff-nola]

Exactly what it sounds like slowed down!

[@jun-bieenguerra7274]

Yes.

[@aFutureSelf]

Damn I was thinking the same thing. FFVII Prelude

[@redcomn]

Yup way to rip off uematsu

[@andywigmusic]

Haha absolutely

[@zonakmahanta]

The day Michael Angelo Batio decides to speed up his track, this universe will be destroyed 🤓🤓🤓

[@martinpaddle]

more likely that he will one day be called out for artificially slowing down, because he wants to play something slow but can't

[@bradleyniven7942]

The irony in this videos audio being so out of sync I gave up watching it

[@aldo.a.fierro]

Bradley Niven same

[@support16s45]

What a first world problem...

[@spridle]

The audio is completely in sync the whole video for me?

[@imbuckandimheretofuck8908]

I saw them live and i can ensure you he's actually playing

[@mattlewis6517]

Me too

[@tolsen8212]

If you were standing in the front few rows you wouldn't have heard what he was playing. You would have been listening to a reference track made on a computer. And said track would still be audible enough in the rest of the venue to cover any mistakes. So Lucas may have actually been playing, but really you don't have any idea what it sounded like. PS: I think you meant "assure" not "ensure".

[@DirtyBirdConway]

What song is this from??

[@martingaspar8364]

@@DirtyBirdConway godless times

[@6idangle]

@@tolsen8212 Depends, those tracks aren't everywhere in their shows only with things that require extra instrumentation, the rest is him

[@maxthomas78]

Is it just me or is the audio ever so slightly out of sync with the video? Or was this intentional?

[@LeviClay]

😉

[@ShredwardWizardhands]

He recorded this at half speed.

[@aaronservice86]

He must been faking it

[@rorschach7759]

I don't think he has the talent to do a proper video.

[@frostshock13]

This drove me crazy.. I kept refreshing

[@johnnathancordy]

Thanks for being matter of fact and naming names. It's an awkward subject but I think you're handling it pretty fairly and in a way that hopefully won't just be a messy witch hunt!

[@hawk1093]

I remember when fret wraps were considered "cheating"

[@Cr8Tron]

We're living in a new era for sure!! 😂 The only person who ever told me not to use it was my second guitar instructor, when I was 13. The instructor I briefly had just prior (before he spontaneously decided to move back east) was a guy who could tap with all four fingers, and would use a wrap only for that. Even though he never encouraged me to use one in general, I decided to do so at the time anyway. When the second instructor came into the picture, he really took issue with seeing this being my habit. I could understand his position as an instructor, trying to do his job, which is to observe how their students can improve their instrumental control... But through the years, not only have I gotten approvals from many great musicians I've been able to work with, I've also had more than a few musicians tell me that they're actually impressed by the ingenuity behind such a solution. In fact, there were a couple different people who specifically mentioned Victor Wooten, saying that "if he's allowed to use one..." Fast-forward 25 years later, and I still have no regrets about this method having become a commonplace approach that people regularly see me utilize. A lot of people don't realize that oftentimes you still have to know how to mute the strings like you would otherwise, as the wrap isn't always 100% guaranteed to work, and considering that you sometimes might want to use open strings for certain parts. I can, however, say that having the wrap as an option is more than just a possible crutch; that it's also oftentimes a great way to open the creative doors, in terms of exploring expressive tonal qualities that might not have been a possibility prior, due to limitations on what ways you can pick while also having to mute.

[@hawk1093]

The only guitar that I use a fret wrap on is my Washburn 7 string with Seymour Duncan Nazgul Sentient pick ups... that SOB is angry xD

[@whatyoumakeofit6635]

Fret wraps.......I cant picture that for the life of me. Are we talking about something to mute the strings above the nut or below the bridge?

[@minisurfbanana]

I use it when recording only. It’s no biggie. Little things put people in tizzy all the the time. Fck them do what you do!

[@jdhed1]

@@hawk1093 gag

[@CodemasterJamal]

The age of autotune, and the age of the fake guitarist.

[@CodemasterJamal]

@Brian Martens nah. Bass players still keeping it real.

[@ChrisBrooksGuitar]

Just started watching but, right up front, I don't buy any of the spin these fakers float about "being creative" or "showing "compositional concepts". It wasn't necessarily when guitar players could actually play what they wrote. It's driven by impatience, laziness and a desperate need to skip to the part where everybody claps. There's nothing creative about laziness and fraud. Mozart didn't go on tour as a bassoonist or sell lick packs with another instrument making the sounds.

[@theviciousheadsociety4923]

Yeah, not sure why the compositional element gets a pass. It's bullshit.

[@ChrisBrooksGuitar]

@@theviciousheadsociety4923 Agreed. Coming up with crazy ideas is definitely away to drive technique or execution further in order to have music lead mechanical advancement, but it's not what they're doing. They're passing it off as completed work.

[@an_38kitkashyap]

@@theviciousheadsociety4923 if this goes on, then this movement will be a goner like the 80s. It is up to you, me and every one of us that we don't do what these guys are doing. This is the very reason why guys like Jacky Vincent, Jason Richardson, Rusty Cooley, Rick Graham, John Petrucci, Stephan and many others are considered legend, while these new guitar players are still doubted. It's sad because among these, one or two thus arise, who can actually do what these idiots have to do with editing.

[@tjm9565]

@@an_38kitkashyap Include Marshall Harrison in that list!

[@SEugeniusz]

the Rings Of Saturn guy did a "live" solo and it was clearly Guitar Pro...this was 2010. Google it up, its comedy gold.

[@mustachedad8393]

What's comedy gold is that they shred your fucking face off live playing note for note...........I guess you could say hes a comedic genius.......

[@bultronlagore2095]

MUSTACHE DAD You are correct sir!

[@SEugeniusz]

@@mustachedad8393 can you point me to actual live play throughs that arent doctored?

[@grimg0r]

Simon Edwards kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJemipqlp9aagqM and hell show you how to play it

[@grimg0r]

Simon Edwards kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2bKg6CKes2kmck heres the other guy he might be even better

[@AdiHughesGuitar]

You touched on it, but there is a wealth of guitarists that "improvise" a clearly written, rehearsed, multiple take and edited solo on KZbin, really irks me.

[@live_undead1933]

Obviously fake to a mediocre ear...

[@LeviClay]

Lol… do you have any idea how much of a career my ear has built? 😂😂😂

[@live_undead1933]

@@LeviClay or destroyed?

[@rentblop8070]

@@live_undead1933 People like you are the flat earthers of guitar music.

[@Regular_Pigeon]

I rescind my like. RoS is legit homie. Watch the response video.

[@likeakloss]

if he was legit he never would've posted this clip in the first place. his explanation is backpedaling. he posted a vid where you couldn't hear his live guitar. why would anyone legit do that?

[@benclark4244]

David Kloss THANK YOU. Someone else with a brain. The DI he posted was sloppy af. It’s also bullshit as you said that he posted that live video as proof yet you couldn’t even hear him!! All that proves is that his mix was super low. Wonder why? 🤣

[@Dolkerken]

@@likeakloss There could probably be a ton of reasons. Maybe it was another person with access to the bands fb page, or just another band member. People like Levi and Jared are basically playing judge, jury and executioner at this point. Also, there are a lot of videos out there supporting that he can actually play it live. Just out of curiosity. Why support rumors that can´t be backed up by facts?

[@likeakloss]

Chrillebob I’m not going to pretend that I’ve followed RoS a ton since Miles left. That being said, I noticed most play through content featuring Lucas was suspect or not executed proficiently. I don’t mean to suggest that he is a bad guitarist by any stretch of the imagination, but his material is ridiculously technical, and to this day I have yet to see him provide a convincing video of him executing. I might go see em live next time they come to town out of morbid curiosity at this point. Perhaps I will eat my words.

[@terrypussypower]

Ben Clark “Someone else with a brain” eh? Hahahahaha! Well, buddy, it’s obviously the same size as yours....peanut sized!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a57UiqSNbKihotk There’s just no talking to some folk. It’s the same shit with flat Earthers!

[@ianfowler7787]

I just started playing guitar, but I really dislike the fast shred competitiveness I see online constantly. I've never thought of music as a sport, so it just comes across as missing the whole point to me. Am I missing something?

[@jasonvansteenwyk5984]

No. You're not missing a thing, brother! :-)

[@gumbilicious1]

I am not really aware of it, maybe it’s a thing online, but no one I have actually played with is like. I am not going to say there isn’t any competition, but it is more like friends inspiring and facilitating each other, challenging your friends with new techniques and concepts to push each other’s playing. Anything else is needless drama

[@chaoticneutral1090]

Just don't use Instagram cause you're missing nothing on there..

[@bultronlagore2095]

Metal, Especially Tech Death Metal is a genre that’s about pushing the boundaries of Technicality and making brutal music. This doesn’t mean by JUST playing fast. Sooooooo many musicians who are not fans of Tech Death will bash it just because it’s too much for them to handle. Most musicians who see someone playing something super technical get discouraged/jealous and immediately bash it. Just because someone is online playing a super fast technical solo doesn’t automatically mean they are competing with anyone. That’s what Tech Death Metal is all about is playing technical brutal music. It’s all about how “You” perceive it. I don’t like Jazz but I respect the genre because it requires a high level of skill to play. Don’t be biased.

[@johnbuell8035]

Ian Fowler you are 100% correct and missing nothing

[@MiikeyLawless]

Man, i love that this is finally coming to the forefront. All those years as a kid where i got discouraged because i could never play that cleanly.... I finally got over it though and thats where my love for Marty Friedman came from. Also an interview with Rusty Cooley where he said, "youre gonna make mistakes live and you just gotta say fuck it and recover" (or something like that) changed my perspective. When i see guys live and they fuck up a note, i dont see it as a bad thing because i know im getting the real, raw experience.

[@DominicAirola]

Michael Peretto yeah check out Symphony X live. Absolute virtuosos! BUT you will see mistakes. Just how genuine live performance is especially at that level of technicality.

[@MiikeyLawless]

@@DominicAirola they were opening up at the first concert i ever went to. I had no odea who they were and they absolutely blew my mind. Killer band!

[@DominicAirola]

Michael Peretto yeah and I’ve seen footage where Michael Romeo fucked up the tapping part for Sea of Lies and stuff a bit. But so what, much rather see a live show like that and know it’s real than something like Lucas Mann with a silent guitar and guitar pro audio.

[@kicoDbz]

i got discouraged because i could never play that cleanly.... that's ur fucking problem, just practice lol don't compare to others

[@Merkaba954]

Marty is a master for sure

[@theonetruematt]

“Can’t cheat at music” You ever hear of Milli Vanilli? #neverforget #blameitontherain

[@ChristopherRoche]

I've also seen a lot of people using a ton of gain to hide sloppy playing in the scene I used to play a lie of shows in. #blameitonthegain

[@AlexVonCrank]

Didn't get away with it though. Sad actually. One of them topped himself.

[@AlexVonCrank]

Christopher Roche 😂👍🏽

[@Empirism]

E-type *gough*

[@fuzzshifter]

Somebody actually sang the parts of Milli Vanilli's tracks. No autotune. It was the performers that were fake. The subject at hand is faking all of it.

[@danielswindall2756]

$10 for credit roll $20 for Study Club $50 for a private lesson, what a joke. This is what's wrong with Society

[@LeviClay]

And yet... $1500 a month 👌🏻

[@christianmagana329]

does anyone have the clip of charles ranting at the bar?? I can't find it! thanks!

[@conorheduvan]

These players should tour with Jared Threatin.

[@brandonguthrie8122]

See Lucas Mann’s response so you can learn.

[@LeviClay]

7:17 - "it's a pre-recorded track" 7:25 - "it's not my guitar that you're hearing in that video" 7:58 - 3 guitars clearly heard... two of which are NOTHING close to the prerecorded harmony (which is STILL louder than they are) then we take a step back and ask ourselves... why on earth would the OFFICIAL band page use a clip to promote your tour and sell tickets that (in your own words) "it's not my guitar you're hearing in that video" you'll notice that at 9:34 the guy talks about a "sample line" so when I make the claim that that's not Lucas playing in the video (as in the thing you see isn't the thing you hear...) I'm right yeah? Again, that was the take they PICKED to promote the tour... 11:34 - the two guitars that aren't prerecorded are a mess. Again... not bad. At no point have I ever said Lucas can't play. But it's a world away from the clip he chose to represent his band in a live setting look, I would love nothing more than to make a video looking at the clip at 41:40, but it would be pointless to do so, because I'd be comparing him playing to a prerecorded track. Of COURSE it won't be close. You don't need me to slow that down to show you the timing and dynamics are nothing on the clip I talk about. So one last time... dude chooses to post a clip to promote his live show where he knows you can't hear his guitar... and is then surprised when people say "that's not live guitar" am I missing something?

[@EisGlockner]

@Eduardo Viegas i think he is that ignorant to not understand...

[@brayatanstolethepreciousth2884]

@@LeviClay this fat nigga talking crap for the views.

[@thomasanderson9202]

@Eduardo Viegas and what does that have to do with this discussion? We are talking about Lucas video. What others do is their problem. It doesn't make Lucas video more "right" because more people are doing fake videos.

[@joshyjoshyjosh]

I don't know which is worse, Rings of Saturn's "music", or their fans. No wait, definitely the fans. What a sad and desperate lot.

[@MrRoden96]

This is the equivalent of milli vanilli charging for a singing masterclass

[@femboy_slayer]

If using a fret wrap is cheating, isn’t using a pick cheating too? What about amps and pedals? They alter the way the guitar sounds completely.

[@nikolaslavchev1521]

I love how you say " Hey buddy" after every name call :D

[@TheSolfilm]

Suddenly, now that "so much" guitarist KZbinrs spotted out the fakery, I feel much pleasure at playing guitar on my own. I was so demotivated to see as many poeple playing now better than Friedman, Becker, Vai or whoever you want, with that ease, the condescendant look on their faces, blasés, as if playing as well was so easy and even boring. I thought that maybe guitar was not my instrument finally, that I spent all tose years practicing for nothing. But when I listen the sloppy despite easy sweep you showed at 13:15, I regain confidence. Maybe I'm not that bad after all, maybe I'm closer to my goals actually. Thanks Clay and all those guys that spotted them out.

[@bultronlagore2095]

That’s the thing. There are people out there who CAN play more technical than the guitarists you listed. When watching/listening someone play The instrument you play at a much higher level than you shouldn’t discourage you it should inspire you. Now people who aren’t Tech Death Metal Fans are now going to think that all the musicians within the genre are faking what they are playing just because it’s way more technical than you are used to hearing which is not true. The genre is about pushing the boundaries of technicality and making brutal music that is very hard to duplicate because it requires a high skill level to play. Don’t be biased just because it’s not the style of music you like to listen too and exceeds the technicality level of the guitarists you listed.

[@TheSolfilm]

@@randybobandy678 Soyou say I should not give up but you begun with "you should never take a guitar in the first place". Your opinion seams so relevant now ! If I had to listen to all the comments like yours I would never gotten better at guitar for sure. I watched Lisa X when she started to post videos, I watched litltle 7 year old kids shred like crazy but I'm still here, practicing at my own rate. I didn't need you for that. Nobody needs stupid comments like yours anyway, mister I know it all. How old are you to begin with ? I just said that sometimes I feel demotivated with my instrument when I watch poeple with this kind of level. If that's not your case, good for you, you'r special, you'r the best, the universe should kiss your ass and be grateful you're here. You're so essential for this planet !

[@randybobandy678]

@@TheSolfilm youre so cute when youre angry you know that?

[@Shankabottomus]

You'll never be an elite player. You lack the ability to even think critically and verify claims. You're not smart enough.

[@TheSolfilm]

@@Shankabottomus If you say so ! -Hey Sam what's up ? -Not good ! - Why ? - I never be an elit player ! -Who says that? - A random nobody on the internet named "Shankabottomus! LOL

[@legioncustomdesign7228]

Blood Orange

[@DeathcoreHusky]

So now how dumb do you feel that lucas show to jared and haters (like yourself i guess) that he legit and he didn’t mime ?

[@thomasanderson9202]

the sound is not live and it looks fake as fuck. Reacting to what you see is natural.

[@papabroly8000]

Thomas Anderson Shut up, Levi

[@summoningkey7565]

@@thomasanderson9202 shred urself like he shreds and what about guitar covers of rings of saturn huh

[@thomasanderson9202]

@@summoningkey7565 zzz..zzz...

[@zach2830]

the best art divides the viewers. it appears you’ve chosen the wrong half.

[@SkiesofYou22]

Lucas literally posted a video debunking every thing

[@thomasanderson9202]

Levi was right all the time. Now say it 100 times.

[@thegrimreaper7]

He debunked nothing. He proved the promotional video had fake audio. Why even post it? He's a fucking asshole and a poser

[@papabroly8000]

thegrimreaper7 There’s enough irony here to feed Africa. All of it. His (Lucas’) words and intent were squeaky clean and delivered in a way that shows utter kindness yet weariness. This asshole (Levi) has the snarkiest tone imaginable and laughs along to his “evidence” like he’s seen his colon lining firsthand. Levi (and others like him) have passionately hated bands like RoS for forever now, and now, with their delusions seemingly actualized, it’ll be easier to get an Alzheimer’s patient to remember the day they were born than to convince them otherwise. Also, guitar is not a sport. Cheers.

[@gigafuq8751]

@@thegrimreaper7 how is he a poser when he does in fact actually play hos parts live? promotional shit is always pre-recorded, with every band, and most every band also uses backing tracks to fill in spots tha two people physically cant by themselves

[@jeffnewbill5599]

You are wrong about Lucas, you should be careful what you say about people.

[@chizkeyk6929]

Yeah you're right Lucas is one of the best technical death metal guitarist in this era so obviously he's not faking playing that guitar in the clip

[@matrefeytontias]

You know, instead of going all "don't ignore the accusation", "don't shame the person making the accusation", why don't you get in touch with the guy, talk about it, and *then* post a video with solid facts and dialog ? You're not a judge or a lawyer, you don't make accusations, you make pointless and baseless callouts on the internet. Talk to the guy upfront instead of backstabbing, chances are what you "thought" was obvious isn't so much. "I've never seen someone play that" doesn't mean it's not possible, it just means you've never seen it. Also about the misrepresenting thing for money. If you're accusing someone innocent in a YT video, you're misrepresenting someone's capabilities and skill for money. Better make sure you're not wrong, and not be content with opinions instead of facts.

[@charliebowen5071]

matrefeytontias clay was justified and correct. He is not only a KZbin creator but much more... he is a professional transcription editor... his musical understanding of theory and technique is vast...

[@Poiuy]

Charlie Bowen What are you, his promotor?

[@inkjazz]

You're completely wrong. The reason he brought those issues up is because it's text-book issues that people who lie, use to defend the lie. Proof of burden is on the original creator, this applies to literally everything in life.

[@skinflute]

Amen to that. he aint the only one squirting random stuff in the ether tho. ( @leviclay, I said ether, I know) But Somehow I think that people will figure out that generate likes, and traffic with stupid stuff will kick ass in the end. People dislike false and made up words when they realise that they believed something that was based on randomness. The only thing that levi clay tries to do desperatly is generate clicks and traffic on his videos, so basically he does exactly what he is accusing guitarists of. He is nothing more than a funny meme to me.

[@ohgoditsjames94]

Stick to writing tabs because clearly that‘s what you’re good at. Stop perpetuating this hate that has contributed to damaging someone’s career based on false information and accusations.

[@Froffy_]

“Buy my guitar course and you can play like me” Meanwhile they cant even play like themselves

[@WilliamTanaka]

Maybe they are teaching how to shred a daw 😆

[@Ottophil]

Froffy to be fair maybe their course is how to speed audio tracks up

[@monstersaroundus]

@@Ottophil instagram.com/p/B5dSVDXFTab/

[@shaggydude1226]

Ive seen them live 3 different times and its sad youve never gotten to experience guitar jesus irl. Sorry bro

[@Cloughley22]

Totally Agree.......If the music was recorded at 50% and sped up.... as long as its declared. i'm not against it.

[@cmd_f5]

One more thing: If someone is lying to sell you a car, you'd be mad right? Same here. If you can't play your own tabs live and sell something impossible, that's called lying. Name drop all you want man, these people should be called out and realize that we're not stupid and we see through their BS. A movie has special fx, people don't care. A song might be sped up or have a thousand takes or quantized to hell drums, but works and people don't mind. Well some might, but they would also not like special fx in movies. Fair enough. Music isn't cheating, but misrepresentation totally is cheating and fibbing the world. Thank you for bringing this to light.

[@russellward4624]

The second one is hilarious. The sound doesn’t even synch with what his fingers are doing.

[@irlrp]

as of the global synch of that video i'm not sure it's a super valid argument there :p

[@AndrewGorny]

It's funny, all these fake clips have perfect articulation and almost sound fake. Kind of like, SHAWN LANE!!! But the difference is... Shawn Lane actually did it!

[@t3hgir]

I feel like if someone told Shawn Lane (when he was alive, RIP) that he faked his playing he'd just kinda laugh and say "heh, thanks for thinking that man, appreciate it"

[@AndrewGorny]

@@t3hgir lol absolutely

[@nunchuksteev9811]

Dude , The attempt at calling Lucas out was a hilarious fail. Dude here trying to act like all he was saying is that Rings uses backtrack live...what a fail

[@charliebowen5071]

Nunchuk Steev I’m confused by your comment... clay was correct and Mann was not playing that melody yet stood therein front of a crowd pretending that he is playing it... you are wrong.. what apology?

[@illuderebeliarh1260]

@@charliebowen5071 You sure are confused brother. Now go back and watch it all again if you didnt already.

[@charliebowen5071]

illudere beliarh I have watched it. The fact remains that what you hear and what you are seeing is a show piece. Pre recorded and then into the house mix.. it’s same as lip syncing....

[@illuderebeliarh1260]

@@charliebowen5071 Now go back and watch it again lmao. Why do you keep defending this guy while that shitstain Jared deleted his original video and made an apology one? How is this shitstain MORE correct than that other shitstain?

[@marcoshreds]

No frets.... got it! What about guitar picks?

[@LeviClay]

real men don't use amps - that's cheating. I just pick so hard that it fills a room and distorts.

[@marcoshreds]

@@LeviClay I knew there had to be another way!! Thanks for shedding light on numerous mysteries today

[@an_38kitkashyap]

@@LeviClay how about Ichika Nito and Stephan Forte. I think they play real. What do you say?

[@T-Bore]

I think using your hands is cheating as well!

[@gavinsolis5347]

never thought I could eyeroll for 23 minutes straight

[@krispyasfk2567]

I'm surprised you left this up after Lucas and Charles have debunked your assessment.

[@LeviClay]

Please explain how. I was right. What you are hearing in the video that he used to promote his live show is not what you are seeing. It’s a poster for the fake culture

[@LeviClay]

It’s ALMOST like I’m absolutely happy with the video and the words I used... because a year on, people still can’t seem to pull it apart. In debunking Jared, he confirmed my accusation.

[@krispyasfk2567]

@@LeviClay You claimed he was miming, he wasn't. Yes that audio wasn't him, it was his stage monitor backing track, but he was indeed playing live and he proved that multiple different ways. You're using disingenuous, weasely garbage to claim you were still right, you weren't, own it.

[@LeviClay]

@@krispyasfk2567 I absolutely did not claim that. Try again.

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

It's not lucas guitar you're hearing in the audio though. It's a backing track for the third harmonies played for him to keep track of where in the song he's at. If you search for a video of the same concert but from a different angle you can actually hear the entire band play.

[@LeviClay]

7:17 - "it's a pre-recorded track" 7:25 - "it's not my guitar that you're hearing in that video" 7:58 - 3 guitars clearly heard... two of which are NOTHING close to the prerecorded harmony (which is STILL louder than they are) then we take a step back and ask ourselves... why on earth would the OFFICIAL band page use a clip to promote your tour and sell tickets that (in your own words) "it's not my guitar you're hearing in that video" you'll notice that at 9:34 the guy talks about a "sample line" so when I make the claim that that's not Lucas playing in the video (as in the thing you see isn't the thing you hear...) I'm right yeah? Again, that was the take they PICKED to promote the tour... 11:34 - the two guitars that aren't prerecorded are a mess. Again... not bad. At no point have I ever said Lucas can't play. But it's a world away from the clip he chose to represent his band in a live setting look, I would love nothing more than to make a video looking at the clip at 41:40, but it would be pointless to do so, because I'd be comparing him playing to a prerecorded track. Of COURSE it won't be close. You don't need me to slow that down to show you the timing and dynamics are nothing on the clip I talk about. So one last time... dude chooses to post a clip to promote his live show where he knows you can't hear his guitar... and is then surprised when people say "that's not live guitar" am I missing something?

[@Shankabottomus]

@@masonmoberly7086 You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. This is a jealous neckbeard hopping on a hate train for youtube clicks. Don't waste your breath. He's so fucking lazy and stupid he's just copy/pasting the same nonsense to everyone telling him why he's full of shit.

[@Deathworg1]

All I hear is whining tbh. Lucas Mann is out there playing his material, you may not like his live setup, but this is just Salt overload

[@shadowofcallisto1560]

The guitar world catches up to what Levi has been saying for a while now! Cheers Mr. Clay!

[@peterrowan9955]

Better late than never I suppose.

[@LeviClay]

Aye... but now I’ll just be accused of following a trend for likes 😂

[@shadowofcallisto1560]

Levi Clay I’m sure that those accusers will really cause you to lose sleep 😂

[@MiikeyLawless]

lol Lucas Mann got roasted on sevenstring . org years ago when he made a gofundme for a solo album. It was all him miming to guitar pro. Can he play? yeah...can he play like this? no.

[@Shankabottomus]

@@LeviClay Which is exactly what you're doing and there's no fucking way you don't realize it. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Someone needs to tell these players that beyond the fakery the music sounds rubbish anyway!

[@armorgiraffe]

I actually really really like rings of saturn, but I would never see them live

[@gabrielpatrick1581]

Andy Bowen facts

[@bultronlagore2095]

Your just being biased to the genre. You don’t have to like the style but atleast respect the technicality and skill level involved in playing it (When it’s not being faked). I see your profile pic is of you with an acoustic so I’m assuming your a musician. So your another jealous musician who calls music that you don’t have the ability or skill level to play rubbish and so you bash it? I’m not a fan of Jazz but I respect the skill level involved in playing it. There are very technical bands like Animals as Leaders, Archspire, Origin, etc who are not faking there music who are highly skilled musicians and the music they play requires a high skill level to perform. If you are an unbiased musician then you would appreciate it for what it is without liking the style of music.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Damien Omen EXE yeah but I’m entitled to not like it right? I love tons of styles of music! The issue I take with some of this kind of music is that technical prowess is placed above musicality and that takes away from the enjoyment for me. I can appreciate the technique and the work that goes into this genre. I used to love practicing all the stuff from Speed Mechanics, but to me it’s often missing melodic content. It’s a weird thing unique to guitar music.

[@jazzguitarwithandy]

Bultron La Gore I didn’t say I didn’t appreciate the technical ability! Where did I say that? Some of these guys have outrageous technique that I can admire. I know the level of work they have put it into have that. I just find this kind of music tends to place technical prowess above the quality of the music. That’s my personal opinion. It becomes this competitive nonsense about who can play the fastest which seems pretty unique to the guitar. I’m entitled to think a style is rubbish as it doesn’t speak to me, just as you are. Just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate someone’s ability. Do you like all music just because someone’s a good technician? Music for me is much more about feelings and emotion and this type of music feels devoid of that to me. I have no jealousy towards any of these players! I’d much rather spend my time learning to outline chord changes in different ways than playing as many notes as possible in one one bar! Musicality is what I feel is missing and that is just my personal opinion. Get another instrument to play this sort of stuff and it would sound like nonsense.

[@GiuseppeNegri95]

I remember your video from years ago and agreed at that time, now I agree even more especially when you name dropped so well. Cheers Levi

[@loganellis9867]

You and Dines should start a podcast called, "I know you explained your side, but im definitely still painting you as a fake guitarist even though you are more talented than me." I know, a little long winded but I think it would take off.

[@LeviClay]

I don’t think it would work out. Jared walked his video back when Lucas uploaded his response. I kept mine up because it literally confirmed what I said. As for a more talented... ok... I mean... I literally have a 6 week waiting list for my talent and turn down more work than you have in the business... but whatever. Have you considered a podcast call “Lucas I love you”? I don’t think it will take off, but I really don’t think you’re capable of much else. 😕

[@stevenbaxter7402]

@@LeviClay Bro, how old are you? Fucking weird hill to die on.

[@wren4077]

@@LeviClay bruh trying to flex in a youtube comment reply is the saddest shit ever, especially if its your own channel. That aside, idk i think its good that music isn't your main business and whatever else you have lined up is doing well for you, because this shit here sucks.

[@kieranmorgan9264]

I suggest anyone who watches this and thinks Lucas Mann can't play guitar watch his video explaining his guitar "miming"

[@thegrimreaper7]

No one said he can't play guitar. What's wrong here is that the video he posted has fake audio and it's promotional for his live tour. That's what's wrong

[@thomasanderson9202]

@@thegrimreaper7 Exactly !!! Levi was right so all Lucas groupies can fuck off.

[@kylel1875]

@@thomasanderson9202 No, he isn't right. That clip wasn't posted by Lucas, but was posted by a fan sitting in front of his monitor at a show without barricades. Other clips from the very same show have the audio Lucas is playing in that clip, along with that monitor track for the third guitarist they don't have, and the second guitars live audio. Just watch the video before spewing garbage lol.

[@frafilipo9829]

Ichika Nito is one of the guys who very carefully deceive with this stunt.

[@t3hgir]

check his video of him playing at NAMM, no edits

[@KeanuChrist]

I just heard of Lucas Mann recently because of the KZbin drama but looks to me like that guy can play all the stuff you see. He even posted a 40 minute video demonstrating it.

[@bobbyarthur8809]

Getting famous for being negative and shitting on others .. guy plays other guy jealous - this guy is a dick

[@sgimblue1]

Any updates on this? Lucas Mann just posted and proved he plays live. Even periphery uses backing tracks and click tracks, Nolly Getgood doesnt play with them live anymore either but they still have bass sound. Stephen taranto has wider intervalic chops than Lucas but he's real and Lucas is fake? Cmon now

[@BP-or2iu]

He didn’t “prove” anything. He “said” something.

[@sgimblue1]

@@BP-or2iu you been living under a rock bro? This is old news. They already made amends. Those involved in the scandal already proved they play their shit live, manuel fernandes, lucas mann, even berried alive posta raw/live performances of his songs on IG. Wake the fuck up and smell the coffee already, there's a pandemic all around you now. Dafuq is wrong with you

[@AlexQuaglieri]

It probably isn't the right thing to do to leave this video up.

[@papabroly8000]

Alex Quaglieri lol “probably” I’d like it to stay as evidence of this asshole’s delusions. Also, I have a mile-long thread here where I essentially took on the entire population of this video on the topic of “feel” in music that took hours of my time and at least a couple thousand words. I’d like to keep my doctorate thesis for later lol

[@Cozzmos]

@Papa- I'm afraid I don't understand. Levi said the audio in the clip is not Lucas playing. Lucas follows up with video stating the audio in the clip is not him playing. Therefore, Levi is a delusional asshole?

[@DingDongDaddyFromDumas]

Dude this was such a great video

[@FARTLOUD]

In this video: failed musician criticizes musicians more successful than him.

[@LeviClay]

in this comment... absolute nobody doesn't take the time to look into the long and successful career of the person he wants to take down... :/

[@FARTLOUD]

@@LeviClay "career"

[@gardendado1999]

Man, you should've known that compression can cut off a good part of the pick and string noise, plus harmony pedals cut off SO much that your guitar sound almost like a synth.

[@LeviClay]

Nope, not like that.

[@dawidgrden2227]

I bet you don't believe yourself at times, that's a really heavy take on RoS, like using backing tracks bc you don't have x3 guitarists to harmonize your stuff is cheating, yah, start doing this vids for lipsync instead.

[@douglasboylan3477]

My band opened for rings of Saturn, they made sooo many mistakes live.

[@jordanwolff5243]

What's the band name?

[@douglasboylan3477]

@@jordanwolff5243 a Moment in Pompeii

[@lyndonbauer1703]

@@douglasboylan3477 sounds...explosive 😜

[@andytrox]

And you could play their entire set without fault, right?

[@worldwithouttime]

I dont spend much time checking out unknown guitarists on utube so just now learning this is a 'thing' Interesting cause Im a full time photographer/artist and also guitarist of 40 years with 9 albums out, and this fakery is the exact analogy to what the landscape photography world is facing with self-proclaimed experts selling videos and workshops by faking their photos with software--sky replacements and all sorts of photoshopping. And my reaction is the same as yours in both cases: it is totally fine and cool--just dont lie about what you are doing in an effort to rise above the competition and make money off of people who don;t realize you are faking everything.

[@sempiternalpp9841]

People legit turn metal scene into a teen magazine section

[@j.r.warren5794]

I tried to learn to sweep pick but I fell asleep from the sheer boredom of my own playing.

[@papabroly8000]

J.R. Warren I tried classic rock but fell asleep from the sheer boredom of mediocrity.

[@j.r.warren5794]

@@papabroly8000 What? You mean like Linc Ray and the Rumble or something? Maybe you're talking about Metallica? Classic rock encompasses a lot of music.

[@gigafuq8751]

@@j.r.warren5794 someones touchy lmao

[@j.r.warren5794]

@@gigafuq8751Stop touching yourself if you're touchy.

[@jonniegibbins]

Does playing air guitar count as fake guitar playing? 'Cos if it does I'm in big trouble ;-)

[@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer]

Count me as the first in a friendly petition for you to remove Lucas Mann from that "fake shit" thumbnail.

[@ThymeforBouldering]

I can't play any instrument yet. But I once really wanted to be in a band and formed one, learned to play our songs on bass with the help of my very good friend now who is the lead guitarist and vocalist of the band we created. I once wrote a song, which they very much liked and play to this very day, 15 years already. I have zero knowledge of music theory, can't differentiate major from minor chords ... but thx to GP i did it... might be a crap in terms of musicality but sounds good, and fans of the band like it. Sooo, no need to fake anything, you just need to have the desire to learn to play.

[@huntergill4945]

I've seen ROS live and they definitely play it all and they deffs use a backing track as well, but so have the last 14 bands i've seen this year. still love ROS and all those other bands as well :)

[@davidmorneau5260]

This is a main problem with a lot of band that care about look and image of perfection. Like many pop stars

[@brayatanstolethepreciousth2884]

@@davidmorneau5260 why are we shitting on talented musicians

[@thomasanderson9202]

if you listen to that crap you should seek help.

[@brayatanstolethepreciousth2884]

@@thomasanderson9202 the only thing I will seek is you so I can fucking hug you

[@huntergill4945]

@@thomasanderson9202 pretty you'll notice that metal heads are probably the most chill people ever, except for thrash haha they are always mad about something.

[@Joxxum]

As the live clip of Lucas Mann was recorded at the front of the crowd you almost only hear his PA. It is indeed not Lucas' guitar you're hearing. It's in fact prerecorded harmonic which is coming from his PA system. If you watch clips from the same show which are recorded further back in the crowd, you hear what him and Joel are actually playing as the sound of the venue speakers is not being drowned by the PA system.

[@dylandoge1627]

Britney Spears swag

[@christopherblowers443]

I think you owe someone an apology...

[@00Dusty]

This crap is gonna make everyone question everyone’s playing 😕

[@zozovaca]

No, it will not. It will just give some headache to the fakers. No one ever questioned playing of real virtuosos...

[@kimchi2780]

Listen to John Petrucci play. You can hear his pick, you can hear his hands on the strings, etc. Every guitar player in history has the same sounds. The biggest question is when he moves his sweep you don't hear the string buzz you hear from every single guitar player live in the history of guitar.

[@danielswindall2756]

Those who can't Shred make videos of how everyone else can't Shred. And with that type of attitude you'll never learn how to shred

[@LeviClay]

Aside from that shred album I put out that sold well? 😂

[@TheCrimsonIdol987]

What REALLY burns me about Lucas Mann in particular is that he is miming, and yet, bands like the Zenith Passage, Obscura, Allegaeon, Archspire, Alkaloid, Nile, Necrophagist, and the original OG's of tech death, Death and Cryptopsy, are actually FULL of highly technical, really inspiring and killer music being played by LEGITIMATE guitarists that really ARE that good. These fakers get more publicity for faking than legitimate players. Yeah sure, from a songwriter's perspective and a composer's perspective, what these fakers are doing is 100% valid, but, isn't it just more fun and badass when they not only can THINK the musical idea, but PLAY the musical idea?

[@unrivaledstupidity]

Well, this aged well.

[@baconshreds1772]

People believe the first thing they hear, so allow me to say this. Lucas Mann is far more skilled than anyone you know that plays guitar, he proves this on their channel, and he doesn't need to mime because it's safe to assume that he can effectively play anything on guitar.

[@WaLeeZyyy]

In Lucas's you're hearing the speaker aimed at Lucas and that's the third guitarst that they don't have, you're off on that my friend

[@tolsen8212]

"third guitarist"....Uh, no. It's tab run through an amp simulator. It's not even played by them. Pathetic.

[@WaLeeZyyy]

@@tolsen8212 calm down Olsen

[@tolsen8212]

@@WaLeeZyyy I'm pretty calm. I've just been listening to some bands who don't use guitar pro MIDI tracks on stage to cover up their mistakes. Bands...and this will blow your mind...who have a human bass player. So the endorphins this released inspired me to jam on my guitar. I mean, my sweeps are pretty shit even after playing for 23 years, but they're real. Know what I mean? Very satisfying.

[@WaLeeZyyy]

@@tolsen8212 there's multiple videos of Lucas playing that sweep full speed unedited, there's a third guitar you're hearing for a reason, to create an amazing sound which is what music is , stop taking credit away from amazing guitarists because a KZbinr told you to, think for yourself

[@tolsen8212]

@@WaLeeZyyy Funny thing is; I saw the footage myself and then Lucas' response video before any of these ones (I still haven't even watched Jared Dines one because he irritates me), so there goes your theory out the window. I make my own mind up. Now here's the thing....I haven't seen Lucas play this in a live stage setting. Nobody has. All we have is him in studio sitting down (kinda) nailing it after possible multiple takes. And even then, without the backing track, the picking wasn't nearly as perfect. All that proves is that he's capable of playing the sweeps which we all knew he could anyway. What it doesn't prove is that a) he's capable of playing them perfectly live as he claims and b) that the footage we saw wasn't "mimed", because even according to Lucas himself what we hear in that video is the backing track- not what he's playing. Meaning that not only were all the criticism videos 100% correct, but also remember that Lucas chose to upload that video as an example of his live playing KNOWING that the audio wasn't him playing at all. Now that, my friend, is fraud. So he can reveal all the stuff behind the scenes, admit that he uses a backing track and try to act as if it's all perfectly natural and above board, but it absolutely isn't. Now just to reiterate one more time: the "live" video he posted which everyone said wasn't him playing...wasn't him playing. He admits that. So the fans have zero reason to attack the youtubers who pointed out the truth. He also admits knowing it wasn't his audio when he posted the video as an example of his playing. So yes, he lied. So the fact of what he can or cannot play is irrelevant. His video WAS fake and he faked it to sell tickets to gullible people who don't know any better. End of story.

[@wodenoftheangles3339]

Worst DIY wall painting I've seen in a long time.

[@JordonBeal]

I don't understand people hearing a backing-tracked guitar lead in a video, and just accepting "it was coming from my monitor wedge" as a valid excuse. That's not how monitor mixes work. I've never known any musician who would prefer to have a backing track of *their* pre-recorded part blasting that loudly in their face. It defeats one of the main purposes of monitoring: to hear what you're actually playing to judge what you're doing in real-time. This fakery drives me nuts. The same people who would jump to the defense of guitarists faking performances are the same individuals who would jump on the comment section of any pop singer's "live" performance to point out lip synching. It is no different.

[@Manbagdeluxe]

It's about transparency. "Cheating" is okay so long as you fully disclose it up front. What's not okay is cheating but claiming that you're not cheating and that you're super skilled.

[@brianjdillon]

no. cheating is not okay regardless. if you fully disclose that u dont have the talent to play and have to cheat up front - thats it. thats all your disclosing. cheating is cheating and its for clowns.

[@PaulMauser]

@@brianjdillon Not true. Music is a form of art and art is about appealing to peoples' subjective senses. All instruments are a way of amplifying and masking the initial human inputs to form them into a way that's pleasing to the auditory senses. If you can't play well, but use something to alter the sound in some way and disclose that you're doing it, then that's perfectly fine because the goal was to entertain the audience and so long as they are entertained by your final tone and show then it doesn't matter how you got it, it's just entertainment.

[@DISMEMBERMENTohio]

Jumping on the RoS hate train. Have you never thought he’s just actually talented?

[@chizkeyk6929]

I think he just can't believe that a mortal man can play that insane arppegios and sweeps😂😂

[@gavenwilson6312]

@@chizkeyk6929 or jealous that he can't do it 😂😂

[@tolsen8212]

Talented people don't need backing tracks to cover their live playing.

[@DISMEMBERMENTohio]

T Olsen you do realize it is still possible to actually play the music WITH the backing track. Hypothetically, If he could “mime” the playing at the same speed of a backing track, why wouldn’t he just play it. You’d be surprised how many of your favorite bands use backing tracks live, it doesn’t mean they are faking it

[@tolsen8212]

@@DISMEMBERMENTohio Long comment but bear with me... I keep hearing "I'd be surprised how many" of my favorite bands use backing tracks live...Which of course is a line you're parroting from Lucas Mann's video. The thing is, I'm a musician- I've played on stage and I've seen thousands (literally) of bands live. I've taken a particular interest in the back stage aspects of the whole thing... I hung out with Testament during their soundcheck and discussed set up and equipment, I had a beer with Paul Di'Anno and Blaze Bayley and their roadies and discussed the same...I've been in small venues, big stadiums; I've seen old bands, new bands, every kind of music you can imagine. And none of them used backing tracks in the way Rings of Uranus do. Not one. I mean, yeah Metallica play the studio intros to Blackened and Battery because they're lazy...Slayer play the child talking during Dead Skin Mask or the backwards demons at the start of Hell Awaits...But I don't know of any bands that have bass, keys and an entire guitar track piped in for them to play over while the drummer listens to a click track and the whole mess is filtered through a board to the venue PA. That's just ridiculous for starters. What I'm trying to say is that maybe YOUR favorite bands do this shit, but mine certainly don't. And I can tell you that Unearth, Killswitch Engage, Trivium etc wouldn't be caught dead doing that shit, certainly not to that extent. The second and most important point (& to answer your question): if Lucas can play that part physically sitting down in a studio, then why would he NEED to fake it live? Well, first of all, playing to a backing track- (especially one so loud in the monitor that it's all the front row can hear)...will cover up mistakes & sloppy playing. So if he skips a note here and there or messes up a part or gets some string noise, it will blend with the backing track and not be noticed. So he can play a part live but make it sound as if it's a perfect studio take. In other words, while he's jumping around, headbanging, going slightly out of tune, sweating etc, he can make a few "mistakes" (a real unique live performance) and still sound like the recording. So even though he can physically play the part, and even though he is playing something similar live, essentially he's jamming along to something that is perfect & makes him sound way better live than he actually is. That's dishonest and cheap. It's also not a true live performance. And it proves that he's unable to sustain the level required to play like that under normal conditions. Everyone can do a hundred takes while sitting down after a can of red bull and lay down a perfect take. But nobody can maintain that perfection on stage. That's why we buy live albums- because we get a raw, stripped down and on the spot performance that has energy and a sound you won't find in the studio. (eg: compare Bruce Dickinson's "Book of Thel" on The Chemical Wedding vs the live version on Scream For Me Brazil). Here's the next point- the backing track isn't something he laid down with his guitar in studio...It's a guitar pro tab filtered through a virtual amp. So it's cleaning up his playing, making the picking super-humanly accurate and isn't even his performance. So for all intents and purposes, even though he is talented to an extent, he doesn't have the confidence to perform live without covering up mistakes and using computer tracks and software and miming to enhance his playing which he then presents as genuine (and kind of routine). It's dishonest and cheap. And it cheats other guitarists who don't use these crutches and look worse by comparison even though they're better. And it will never inspire a beginner to get into music because they will NEVER be able to achieve that level of perfection. It's very discouraging. So that is why he's undermined the talent he has by trying too hard to be something he's not. Imagine an artist who pretends they can draw freehand but secretly they're tracing photos. It doesn't matter how good the pictures are; they've misrepresented their art.

[@donniegnar5571]

Should do a rebuttal of Lucas' explanation. He pretty much covers all the bases as to why it sounded the way it did.

[@paralleldimensions8803]

See as a guitarist I don't see any use in faking what you can do. I'll sit there and play the same thing over and over and over until I get it. I want to be as good as possible, I want to show what I can do. I suck at arpeggios and sweeps, but I have a sound that is unique to me but I constantly work on the things I need work on

[@donharrold1375]

How many guitar players do you think piece together there solos from multiple takes? Most of the amazing guitar players I’ve seen live, and that’s quite a few, are still pretty amazing but are a pale comparison to their recorded work. It makes me speculate that almost all of them comp parts together.

[@LeviClay]

oh no doubt! I don't think any of them would pretend otherwise

[@C.M.Giordano]

I love that you mentioned Theodore Ziras. I actually really dig his records, but when I started following him on social media, music was very rarely ever discussed. It was all about his lessons, his tabs, where you could buy his music (the latter of which I don't have a problem with as artists, even if they're "only" composers deserve to be compensated for their art when applicable) -- all of which translated to "give me your money." As this was a few years (and a couple head injuries) ago, I'm not sure if I remember the interaction as it happened (or if it was even him, or perhaps another artist peddling products via social media) but, I once asked why he didn't talk about anything but selling said products (don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with promoting yourself and what you do -- but people follow you on social media and whatnot to INTERACT with you, not just so you can potentially make money off of them) and... he blocked me.

[@LeviClay]

This. This comment right here 👌🏻