The Biggest Cheater In Guitar Hero History Was Finally Caught

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No game is safe from cheaters. In this video we will take a look at an extreme example of cheating in the guitar hero community. This one is pretty crazy.
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[@karljobst]

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[@bonnibloop_]

I would like to avoid alcohol poisoning, thanks

[@SMEARGLEX75]

boi

[@tbone9474]

If we did you'd kill us :)

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@bonnibloop_ Drink water instead.

[@Cardboard_object]

Boop

[@lesbianaconda2971]

17:07 “He’s clearly not hitting the right notes” I’ll have to take your word for it lol

[@djduncanjames]

😄

[@x6568tank]

I mean for that section he'd have to hold down the orange and green while hitting the middle notes, but in the video he's holding down green only which wouldn't work in a real run

[@kickiniitbak]

I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be looking at 😂

[@etou1146]

@@kickiniitbak I'm glad I'm not the only one^^

[@dfcvda]

he`s playing the right notes but not necessarily in the right order..Eric Morecambe.

[@cecilevans9247]

Props to him for confessing, taking down everything, paying back the money, apologizing, and leaving the community. There is hope for him.

[@Veginite]

I think the initial denial is a mostly natural response of fear to avoid complete humiliation and embarrassment and is something most of us will do when we're caught lying. Like you, I also give him props for said aspects, especially returning the stolen bounties that rightfully belong to others.

[@JBHUTT09]

@@Veginite Yeah. It's important to remember the stakes from his point of view. It's easy to think it's about pride, money, fame, etc, but at the end of the day, coming clean means losing the entire community that you've been a part of for years. All those friendships gone in an instant. And if this was his only social circle, it means total isolation. His actions at the end suggest that he's not a total ass, though, so I'm hopeful that this will be a valuable learning experience for him and he'll come out the other side better for it.

[@trustypatches4042]

it literally sounds like the start of an anime villains redemption arc

[@AuroraIceFlame]

Red Guitar Redemption

[@dyanosis]

It takes several years for him to admit he's cheating and then he finally does what he should have done long ago and what you have to say is "There's hope for him"? Is there though? I'd call this theft of the highest order and he should be put in jail just like everyone else who steals. Just because he's not stealing a physical thing, it's not different.

[@EyeMixMusic]

I love how he refers to his own cheating as "suspicious". Like, "yeah, I suspect myself of cheating, I'm conducting an internal investigation" LOL

[@RyukUK]

"Update: I recently commenced a formal investigation on myself. The investigation has concluded, and I have found no evidence of wrongdoing."

[@iamamishiamamish8155]

I also enjoyed the caveat to there only being 4 instances of cheating - "as far as I know". Like, who else would know?

[@panickedshears]

The Nixon administration of guitar hero

[@ChillavaKirby]

@@RyukUK FBI moment

[@cradleofgoth]

​@@ChillavaKirbyor CIA

[@Generik_]

I’ve always been impressed by how much abuse the guitars can take.

[@PiroKUSS]

They're usually modded.

[@Brent-jj6qi]

@@PiroKUSS they did actually use originals up until a couple years ago, just with slight mods. A few years ago, Xplorers (White angled bodies) were the meta, and those were usually completely base. Then there was the Wii Revolution, which brought forth wii guitars but those were only minorly modified, and were just made better due to an adaptor for where the wii remote would ping in. Recently however, yeah, most of the internals are very very custom

[@shoulderBirb]

yep they are absolute beasts of equipment! especially the xbox guitar hero 3 les paul. the only weak point was the contacts in the neck which could be fixed with solder. things are absolute tanks

[@HenreBotha]

The GP2040-CE open source controller firmware project has at least one person working on supporting the Wii guitars, so that also paves the way for interesting optimisation down the line.

[@paulsd9255]

Meanwhile Rock Band Stratocasters seem to be way off meta, not least because of mushy feedback on both the strumbar and the frets

[@ja-vishaara]

You either die a Guitar Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the Guitar Villain

[@defrostedxyz8537]

that's just AdvyStyles (he goes by GuitarHeroStyles in some places and he got revealed to be a pedo)

[@icommitedarson]

So true 🥵😫😩🦨

[@GarryTale]

Ong 🤚🤚🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@seinfan9]

He is the Badman.

[@anonymoose2474]

Stolen comment yikes

[@ZachGatesHere]

The craziest part is that doing what he did at 75% speed is STILL insanely difficult. Dude was a great player but couldn't be satisfied with not being number one.

[@youtubewontletme]

Yea, or maybe its not just that, maybe he just wanted to be noticed and validated

[@themadpyro8560]

@L Did you miss the part where he played alongside other people in person? He was good - he just wasn't the best

[@jeremyzak654]

It's like what Karl said in another video. Some of these players are so fixated on a perfect run or a high score they forgot they are supposed to have fun.

[@DoctorJammer]

MoNeY

[@tafua_a]

@@user-qv5sm5dw1v if he were so bad, he would have been spotted immediately and had egg on his face day one

[@AdamAnouer]

One. Single. Note. The dude who managed to catch this managed to do it based on one key input. It's a shame Schmooey did go down that path it seems he was really respected but mad props to the dude who actually caught it.

[@valentinemiller8680]

It's especially a shame he did so since he would actually go to events and hang out with other really good players, and he was still a very good player, he was just obsessed with being the absolute best at it.

[@Poolehful]

Reminds me of "I recognize that gay blowjob!" It's just so absurd that he actually caught it. The absolute legend.

[@garfieldandfriends1]

@@valentinemiller8680 sounds oddly similar to Trackmania Riolu

[@meraak1]

what note? I still don't understand this comment. and how it has 800 likes without anyone questioning it

[@AdamAnouer]

@@meraak1 It was a single note within one song across his entire speedrun's that caused the dude who discovered Schmooey's deception. That's an insane attention to detail, which really highlights how difficult it must be to catch cheated runs without the right technical analysis.

[@NehNehNehNeh42]

He didn’t confess because he felt bad, he confessed because there was absolutely, no chance in hell he could come back from the amount of evidence they had against him. There’s nothing to celebrate in regards to him. He was forced in a corner

[@HiHi-oc3gh]

he at least did admit to it and gave all the money he got from the bounties. I have some respect for him because he did that. He could have not given back the money or not admitted it and just ghosted the community like Riolu did for Trackmania

[@incongruous4]

Tell that to billy mitchell lol

[@Damaniel3]

i.e. "I'm sorry I got caught."

[@gamerskingdom4897]

​@incongruous4 he could have deleated all his accounts without saying anything or tried sueing people wich would both be worse He also could have not given back the bounty money

[@coooolibri]

that's what I said above the 11k liked comment on top... nothing honorable about all that after the fact. saving face, otherwise how are you gonna step another foot into the internet as a personality. totally agree with you.

[@MediHusky]

Ok but can we take a second to appreciate how durable some of these controllers are made.

[@videogamebookreviews]

Tested to one zillion button presses.

[@moshunit96]

Now if i could just play all my games using the guitar.

[@Empathia2k7]

@@moshunit96 1200 APM

[@lordmuhehe4605]

Not really, players at this level burn through them fast.

[@simethigsomethingidfk]

Well they are membrane buttons. Just a silicon thing with conductive pads inside that slap onto a circuit board. Very very durable but the silicone pads still wear out pretty fast, about 1 yearish of consistent top level play. But most top players poke holes in the silicon to make the buttons easier to press so those players need to replace that every 3-6 months if that. The strum bar also begins to over sturm pretty fast (do more inputs then you play), so you need to do stuff like put tape inside them to stop them from doing that So most guitars you see (unless they are recently made custom controllers) are probably just held together by ducktape and the dreams of children.

[@turtleo4732]

He isn't a Guitar Hero, he's a Guitar Villain!

[@Pyro-0369]

Got a chuckle outa me

[@turtleo4732]

@@Pyro-0369 you're welcome

[@moviemaker2011z]

How long were you sitting on that one?

[@turtleo4732]

@@moviemaker2011z when I started watching the video.

[@moviemaker2011z]

@@turtleo4732 well then I applaud you sir for a good joke.

[@Jabadamazo]

Hey guys, here's a great rule of thumb: If someone says they only faked one thing that they're super known for, they faked way more than that.

[@zeromihaljavic4555]

Same with crime

[@shrimplysuperior]

Honestly, the community routinely manages to impress me. Playing techniques such as 20:23 truly redefine what talent means.

[@Mozicon]

I love how every one of these goes like this: "I didn't cheat" "OK, those specific instances were fake" "Yeah, I was cheating the whole time"

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

A lie never crumbles all at once, it slowly falls piece by piece.

[@jayyy_doggg]

and people in the comments here are giving credit to schmooey for owning up and paying back the bounties lol, when he was caught he only owned up to 4 cheated accomplishments before having pretty much his entire channel disputed. paying back the bounties is the morally correct thing to do and it shouldn't be applauded that he did what he should have done after stealing thousands of dollars. there is no sympathy from me.

[@PayKing]

🤣🤣

[@tadeocaputo2036]

@@jayyy_doggg he is compliment because he wasnt force to doing that, he could disapear whit the money having no real punishiment. The fact that he did it shows a real intention to redemtion, and thats something to celebrate, if we dont give credit to those thing, then we are punishing redemtion which is not something we should ever do. Because if we do people are less likely to do the rigth thing at the end. He is a human who had the courage to try redemtion and thats something good. Sorry for bad english.

[@ydid687]

@@jayyy_doggg some people are demented and haplessly pathetic

[@KILLKIDspeedrun]

It's strange how long a cheater can last when they literally show their hands.

[@Rude_i_Wredne]

"The best players are the best cheaters", at these speeds, playing roughly right is borderline indistinguishable from a correct play, based on 30-60fps video alone.

[@backlogbuddies]

Especially when at high level you're running your fingers across the frets. You're hitting a lot of extra notes as you glide; since GH doesn't care if hammer ons and pull offs hits a wrong note. So, finding fake taps is hard

[@Relentless966]

@@backlogbuddies But looking back at the footage of schmooey's game play now, it's actually just blatant. But, since "it was schmooey" we just assumed nothing wrong of foul play because we thought he already showed us constant high level play.

[@ozi5279]

@@Rude_i_Wredne My English teacher said it well. The ones who would need to cheat, don't know how to do it well, but the ones who can cheat well, basically wouldn't need to cheat at all

[@caleb4369]

Also helps with a few of the techniques cover the buttons

[@carfo]

he was sorry he got caught but for the most part he handled it well--returned the money, removed the videos, left the scene, and was honest about his techniques and led to better detection of fakes

[@StefunnyStrange]

Somehow I’ve become addicted to these cheater exposed videos and I don’t even play video games! 😂 Is it just me? I’m very invested despite not touching video game controller in over a decade.

[@tylerisntasheep6854]

I play games but I don't play the majority of the games he talks about. It is so interesting to me too

[@Ninkira]

Same here it's relaxing when I'm stressed lol

[@acai28]

Thank you for this video! It's wonderfully put together, lots of insight for people who wouldn't know anything about our community. The nail in the coffin to such a terrible situation.

[@osuplaeyurreallygood]

checkmark dont care (this is a JOKE)

[@tolman4497]

Acai! Love you.

[@arcanehornet]

hello brown man

[@cody4925]

Papa acai

[@Nate612]

how is rosey doing?

[@Ifeno]

Fun fact: Schmu (pronounced: "shmoo") is a German slang word for "scam / fraud". It seems even Schmooey's nn was indicative.

[@Blankult]

So "Schmooey" would be a funny way of saying fraud lmao

[@fruitloopz311]

No fucking way lmao

[@AcIdBARRY]

Hab ich noch nie gehört? Ist das n Dialekt? Edit: NVM it's true it means something along the lines of (light) scam so that's really funny 😂

[@RTU130]

Ye

[@imfamoushero]

names have power

[@risingpheonix7740]

Absolutely loved Karl parodying a Schmooey video to show what the cheating would look like to a more experienced player.

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

You know, this is the thing that would make me too terrified to ever attempt a fake speedrun, or any such thing, no matter the incentive. The fact that you are never out of the clear. Even years later someone could come along with a means of proving it was fake. I actually think this may be harder to cover up than doping or steroids in an event, because at least with those once the drug is out of your system nobody can ever prove it.

[@striker1553]

This is the reason I don't buy the "faked moon landing" or JFK conspiracies. The same damn thing can happen there.

[@da_pikmin_coder8367]

Gotta give credit where it's due. When he was caught, he revealed his methods, paid back the undeserved money, and fucked off. You might be saying "well yeah. That's the least he could do, doesn't make him a good person." And I agree, but a lot of people in his position do not go that route.

[@zgrb]

As we’ve seen in the past, that’s not nearly the “least he could do.” He could’ve gone off the grid with the money, or worse fought back and cause a rift in the community using a Harvard astrophysicist or something and then just pretended it didn’t happen…

[@_V.Va_]

It's more than you can say for most others.

[@Drako2k0]

That was a snipe at Dream wasn’t it 😂😂😂 I’ve been curious about the result of that. Did they nail down something irrefutable? Or did they squeeze a confession out of him?

[@da_pikmin_coder8367]

@@Drako2k0 It was more of a jab at caught cheaters in general. But the fact that you pulled a specific example from my very vague description just goes to show how common people like Dream are.

[@Drako2k0]

@@da_pikmin_coder8367 Quite common yes, general rule of thumb, for every one caught, there's 10 more still at large. lol. but my reply was more aimed at zachary, his example seemed pretty pointed. I dunno why my reply failed to @ him.

[@Churahm]

"At the end of the day, cheaters are thieves. Stealing time, stealing energy, stealing fame and stealing dreams from everyone else". This kind of quote is the reason why I love your channel and videos. It's so refreshing having someone say it how it is, no beating around the bush, no bullshit.

[@peterhawes9680]

And the video's sponsor suggests a way of dealing with 'the bush' too. I'll show myself out....

[@androidphone1901]

Good quote

[@Arionid]

some cheaters just want to have fun

[@truthboom]

but you can't cheat in real life, or is there?

[@scanbbb]

@@truthboom Child slavery

[@Thesnakerox]

Watching this a year later and Karl tonguing the strumbar on his guitar is still one of the funniest parts

[@reademccardell5208]

A G R E E D

[@dizzylilthing]

8:49 I can only Full Combo songs I don't know how to play on guitar. The muscle memory I have is like a ghost in my blood making my fingers bad.

[@toxicitych]

1 very important detail you forgot to mention: at a recent meetup (the same meetup where 7:04 happened), one of the other players got onto Schmooey's PC to fetch a clip for a compilation and actually found cheat engine in his most used programs in the start menu clear as day. This is primarily why people started digging deeper into speedhacking evidence.

[@masterleo4932]

oh interesting fact! thanks for sharing the info

[@Koalaz1]

I mean knowing what he did now it makes sense but I wouldnt think twice of someone having cheat engine on their computer. Wouldnt say much on its own imo.

[@RenewedRS]

This is a trivial detail though lol

[@Koalaz1]

@@RenewedRS Yeah i know, as i said, in hindsight knowing what he did it was pretty obvious.

[@NullConflict]

Can you confirm this caused suspicion before other evidence emerged? There would be Discord logs or something similar. It fits with the evidence but it's trivial without prior suspicions or the benefit of hindsight. Tons of legitimate uses for memory hacking software, many outside of games. It's named "Cheat Engine" because a common use is advantage in single-player games. It's also used for modding games with new features, fixing bugs in old/abandoned software and removing obsolete/intrusive/dangerous DRM. Speedhacking without disclosure for speedruns or high scores is extremely rare.

[@Spinnight]

It always pisses me off when there’s a discussion of cheating in speedrunning and someone goes “So? It’s just a game, lol!” Karl summarizes why it’s such a harmful and damaging thing so well. I’d like to see those people saying it’s just a game spend hundreds of hours putting effort into something then loose all of it while getting mocked about complaining and see if they still say the same thing

[@planescaped]

He stole my dissertation! Lol so what, it's just math.

[@alexandrerodrigues9844]

Gonna cry?

[@rognogog5092]

Especially when there is money involved (like in this case).

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

It's like how LCK (Korean League of Legends circuit) peaked at 759,000 concurrent viewers yesterday, hit a record of over 3.5 million a few months ago, and there's hundreds of millions, possibly $$billions over all worldwide regions and media types, at play in that game alone. But I still hear some players say "it's just a game." Pro gaming is no joke. All this time, this guy was stealing the spotlight from whoever would have been the actual best player. In fact, his unrealistic expectations maybe have had long term or even irreparable damage to the community. Taking the wind out of up and coming players' sails, discouraging new records, etc. It would be like finding irrefutably that all six Michael Jordan championships were rigged or something. The sheer damage that would deal to this history of basketball would be unfathomable. Even LeBron James wears #23 because of Jordan. The game would never be the same.

[@andrewrobinson1634]

Hate that argument too, whether it's speedrunning or any game casual or serious. If it's "just a game," why cheat?

[@kenju8929]

him seeing himself out at the end is actually pretty respectable

[@TOP5RAPWEBSITE]

10:50 is that Mass Effect's galaxy map music playing in the background?

[@SuperStrik9]

As a guitar teacher, Guitar Hero got me and a lot of other teachers a good amount of students in the 00s. For that alone I'll never hate on the game. It made a a lot of people want to learn how to play guitar.

[@gothicMCRgirl]

I got into a music program in middle school because of the game! I didn’t keep up with it fully, but it was such a chill experience to be surrounded by a lot of musicians and kids my age eager to master their instruments.

[@tompramanaaccount8892]

As a drummer, I wish I can play guitar more than any other instruments after playing guitar hero when i was a kid.

[@mattimus13]

@@tompramanaaccount8892 As a guitarist, playing drums on Rock Band made me question if I should've been a drummer

[@tompramanaaccount8892]

@@mattimus13 rockband drum parts and notes is pretty spot on in terms of accuracy of the real drum, I assure you if you can play drum in rockband on the hardest difficulty (with the drum controller of course), you can play drums in real life too with a little bit of practice. On guitar hero, it's different story.

[@only5186]

Thats good to hear! With all those hours of practice on the game they could actually learn the instrument. Glad some did

[@shybzrk]

When someone who has been denying claims of cheating then says "Ok fine, I cheated but it was only these few videos", it's time to dig much deeper

[@my08impalass]

Especially when they use the phrase "that im aware of". Its an immediate red flag that theres more.

[@CowMaam]

@Stewie Griffin go outside

[@thesilverblueman]

*cough* dream *cough*

[@clearspira]

Yep. Absolute worst thing you can say. Either deny it completely or admit to it.

[@DD-ym3nk]

Cops use this technique in interrogation science as well.

[@emilyofjane]

I lacked the coordination to strum and press the buttons at the same time as a kid, so I was *embarrassingly* bad at this game. I remember playing it at a birthday party once and I kept getting booed off the stage on the easiest difficulty lol. It blows my mind that people can not only play the hardest difficulties, but that they’re making custom songs that are EVEN FASTER because the original ones aren’t challenging enough. The amount of skill and coordination that requires is truly insane. 🤯

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

Same, my sister pulled it out once as a kid and or rockband whatever one it was and everyone was playing but I got booed off the stage on the first song and stopped playing immediately afterwards. My sister kept trying to convince me to play but I wouldn't do it lol. She still won't let me live it down but whenever she's had a boss fight she couldn't beat in a game I somehow manage to do it oftentimes on my first try and she hates me for it so it evens out lol

[@CoenBijpost]

I actually started playing real guitar thanks to guitar hero. And I’m fairly certain it gave a major advantage for my left/right coordination when starting out on the real thing. I was 25 at the time and fairly certain I would have never started without guitar hero. I’m now 15 years along and can play really well, if I say so myself, so for me guitar hero will always have a fuzzy warm feeling in my heart ❤😊

[@darkwriter_xx94]

Same here except it was bass for me and I transitioned to Rocksmith from GH before playing without any game. Also, while I was already into rock and metal, it added so much to my music collection

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

20:23 I love your perfect exaggerated demonstration of faking a recording by licking the controller and still getting the notes right

[@rahirz4234]

Since when did you got a checkmark?

[@mickytananu5908]

@@rahirz4234 true when did he got check mark, and when did he changed his pfp.

[@trevorbeatz5741]

hi

[@matigamer329]

It made me laugh ngl.

[@Astral_Incarnate]

Holy fuck you're here too

[@thepatientrunningtheasylum8285]

This guy I dated in high-school was crazy good at this game. He played Through the Fire and Flames in the bandroom on expert. It was probably the most intense silence I ever heard in a music room. The director broke it when he said "I think I shit myself" this was around 2007 or so when the games were absurdly popular

[@danmoore1427]

Literally watched one of my best friends play it without looking at the TV and get 2 1000 note streaks in it

[@tokivikerness8863]

And everyone applauded.

[@NaughtiusMaximmus]

@@tokivikerness8863 can't tell if you're trying to be THAT guy or not

[@tokivikerness8863]

@@NaughtiusMaximmus I don't know. The guy that thinks the original story is absurd? Or is the "applauded" thing out of date? I'm 33 cut me some slack.

[@NaughtiusMaximmus]

@@tokivikerness8863 the guy that thinks the original story is absurd. I'm probably just being weird about it tho, sorry

[@trentsayers951]

Great video and congrats on the FC Karl. I haven't played guitar hero in years but my party trick was I could play bulls on parade on expert facing backwards and not looking at the screen I couldn't FC it but still impressive. I tried to play it after watching this video and I am terrible now lol.

[@chulichabakka7998]

just found ur channel and i say you do a very amazing job covering all these topics. keep up the great work:)

[@Iron-Bridge]

On the plus side, he contributed to the body of forensic knowledge for analysing audio video technology in cheating.

[@Utonian21]

"Frame by frame analysis" 😭

[@NightSkye27]

Always love how you actually look into the games themselves when covering a topic. You don't have to, but the video is more special for it.

[@underreboot6418]

Glad you pointed this out, he literally learns how to play the game, researches speedrunning strats and game mechanics, and then explains it to viewers in a way where they can understand even if they never touched the game. Must delay a video's release date the dedication really adds to the quality.

[@SomeSlushies]

Karl is honestly more of a journalist than most other modern journalists for this reason alone. The dedication he has to the craft and to immersing himself in whatever topic he’s researching is incredibly admirable. It’s a shame there aren’t more people like him in the profession

[@dsova9366]

When your talking about something it helps to do the research.

[@dossey5174]

I didn't see Karl doing any fence clip attempts however 😉

[@Anomaly92]

As someone who might not be nearly as good as the people shown in the video but still goes for high tier FCs on expert I can guarantee that Karls progress here is astonishingly fast. The medium FC he gets in the end is by no means easy, most of my friends cant FC a song on easy after several weeks. He really is an awesome allround gamer.

[@Dave_Langer]

Also with the splicing at around 19:49 you can see the mouse magically move, giving away it was spliced.

[@GuiasMaurelChile]

I was waiting for the Windows Media Player UI to appear at the end of your run 😂 Good job on your hard work!

[@JustStayingGroovy]

At 20, he's literally spent most of his life perfecting his Guitar Hero playing. And now he's back at square one. All due to hubris.

[@BITCOIlN]

Aand many kids that are 20 now spent half of their life playing LoL and still aren't that great at it, I didn't play myself that long but I played some games for years without being good.

[@ABIADAB]

I seriously wonder how the fuck can people play one game more than 300 hours without mods, i guess i just have limited attention span.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@ABIADAB I quickly checked my Steam (I have more games but no playtime count) and I found twelve games with over 300 hours but even I feel like I have a really short attention span, I don't play a game for over an hour in one sitting.

[@ASingleSpaghetti]

@@ABIADAB I've put about that much time into Civilization 5. Of course, the average time I've had for each game is about 12 hours., so it adds up.

[@thomasjay4498]

Being the greatest Guitar Hero play is still not comparable to being the greatest real guitar playing. Guitar skills gets girls. Videos games don't.

[@4juze745]

Imagine Karl would have spliced his own full combo run at the end😂

[@Kawa-oneechan]

Release the full four minutes and we'll know *exactly* what to look for.

[@D_Winds]

In homage.

[@timlarsson]

I was waiting for the Media Player UI to show up at the end 😂

[@LukeNolen]

@@timlarsson 9fc2

[@Danno04]

@@timlarsson DUDE, It would've been hilarious 😂😂😂

[@musicaccount7116]

I really like that you're using Mass Effect background music. I noticed that instantly and always enjoyed it. Great video!

[@SayAhh]

ppl need to be required to have an analog clock next to them on screen at all times abd interact with it whenever nor playing (when there is a pause in gameplay)

[@wayner396]

The confession and refunding of credits is admirable so I'll give him some respect for that. He took his consequences about as gracefully as one could in what I'm sure was a deserved but embarrassing public fall from grace.

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

Hes also quite young, so he can get away with it.

[@UhWatchMe]

Great mention that he refunded, he also could've just ghosted.

[@kostyatszyu]

nothing admirable about it, probably feared incoming lawsuits

[@FriendlyAC130Online]

@@kostyatszyu again. Could have ghosted. Most people wouldn’t sue and throw tens of thousands in legal fees at someone who owes them a fraction of that amount and most likely will just end up settling anyways.

[@UhWatchMe]

@@kostyatszyu You can lawsuit donations? But hmm yeah maybe that I don't know.

[@youtubehandlessuck]

The fact that he could've got away with this if he was better at lying and wasn't too cocky is absolutely nuts

[@Steak134]

Just like Hans Niemann

[@kanoaikawach]

Or he could just practice and git gud

[@THECHARG]

Really makes u reconsider all speed runners in general because there are better liars better editors smarter cons that are too respected speed runners that haven’t been caught yet

[@Xtremedave2]

and be better at maths

[@Killabeezee]

​@@kanoaikawach he actually really is good, just wasn't happy not being the best.

[@StanimalKingdom]

you can actually tell the video is sped up when he activates star power. His guitar practically looks like he's twitching at lightning speed

[@wilfredwayne7139]

Beating most of the Pokémon medley on expert without making a mistake was my clone hero highlight.

[@NathanielBandy]

Man, I spent all of high school playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band. It's crazy to see someone go through this much effort just for some clout and money

[@Koalaz1]

Hi Nathaniel

[@JbugGaming]

Fr

[@LucDaMan4]

Finally someone mentions Rock Band it always gets overshadowed by Guitar Hero when Rock Band is so much better

[@Skarz1989]

@@LucDaMan4 I always felt guitar hero had the much better UI but rock band had much more official looking charts

[@LucDaMan4]

@@Skarz1989 True the main thing for me is that I can play with my family and the singing option in Rock Band 4 is so underrated and I love i

[@ChengTeoh]

Am I the only person wondering how long these controllers last after playing at these speeds?

[@thebudderdanny]

either multiple years or a few weeks, its almost random with how old most of them are

[@alphabrother6823]

Couple months at best. They either find wii guitars for cheap or order Arduinos from this guy named Super Katana that are made for this sort of thing

[@dumdum7786]

they dont last very long lmao, I can say from experience

[@tylerangle2269]

I still have a GH2 Xplorer guitar that I've had for about 8 years now still going strong. Obviously I'm no pro but it has at least 1000 hours of Expert plays in there

[@hanthonyc]

It varies pretty wildly. I don't play GH but since my rhythm game of choice is a little more violent on the controller (Taiko, lol)... I think I can say that there's a few factors. If you have a cheap knockoff controller that you use to grind Full Combos 16 hours a day and also sometimes use as a makeshift weapon for home intruders, it'll only last a few months, just under a year maybe. But if you get lucky with manufacturing, take care of your controller, and only play at this level every other weekend gently with the boys, it can definitely last you a few years, easily.

[@josephschultz3301]

I love that this is both a video on catching Guitar hero's biggest cheater _and_ Karl learning to play the game himself. That's a really cool combo, yo.

[@JJ-qo7th]

Can anyone tell me what song starts playing in the background of the video starting at around 9:27? It sounds almost like it would have come out of a Mana game. Karl Jobst has used it in other videos before and it feels like I've heard it in other places. Appreciation and gratitude in advance! Edit: It's from a Mass Effect game, when you're looking at the galaxy map.

[@poulanthrope]

So basically, the biggest factor in catching him is that he never learned the basics of fractions? GG math.

[@user-wv1in4pz2w]

I suspect that the editing software just didn't allow for a coefficient of 133.3, probably working in increments of 2.5 percent or something like that.

[@bman12three43]

@@user-wv1in4pz2w I guess he was to impatient to slow down by 50% and speed up by 200%

[@pedrosilvamusician]

"oh education is not important, who uses maths"

[@alext3811]

@@bman12three43 Heck, I can do this with two console commands (FFmpeg)

[@Thesnakerox]

I was actually thinking to myself: "Wouldn't it be more convincing to slow the game down to 80%, then speed the footage up to 125%?"

[@BiLLz66614]

You know .. while it is a bad thing to do. He's 20. The fact he's that young... And didn't deny anymore once caught... admitted everything and even paid stuff back is pretty noble. Hopefully the kid will learn now. Seems like he has. There are loads of youtubers and streamers in their 30s and up that do this stuff or bad stuff and never admit it or pay anything back. So props to him for that at least.

[@MaurycyZarzycki]

It's also worth noting that it's beneficial for the society to allow people who did something wrong to be able to come clean, make amends and be welcomed back in the society. Otherwise they have no incentive to "be good" again, since then it leaves them with two options: a) come clean, be ostracized and never trusted again; b) don't come clean, maybe never be found out, and if you are then see a). This comes into play with rehabilitation and prisons - if society doesn't give convicts the second chance the only thing they are left with once they're out of prison is to do illegal stuff again. This comes into play with children - if coming clean after making a mistake results in a punishment, you may as well not admit to it and have the chance of avoiding it. This comes into play at work - if an employee makes a mistake they'll avoid coming clean, which will cost the company money but they may as well avoid being found out. So I agree, props to him for doing the right thing in the end and I hope he learns the lesson and becomes a better person from this.

[@Duckbusinessman]

20 isn’t very young.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

@@MaurycyZarzycki always forgive your enemies, but remember their names

[@thatoneboi9178]

@@Duckbusinessman its only 2 years older than a legal adult in the U.S. and not even being able to legally drink yet. I'd say that 20 is still young.

[@Duckbusinessman]

@@thatoneboi9178 let’s be real learning to not cheat in life is something people should’ve figured out by 12. But that’s probably just me. It’s unbelievable that 15 year olds are still getting lured in by candy vans.

[@jayonnaise6105]

Shout out to you, Karl & shout out to Guitar Hero! It was a big reason I got into music as a teenager, and why I took up drumming for a little while. Before I played Guitar Hero, I'd really only listen to music featured in non-music based video games (PS2 era Wrestling games in particular). Your video makes me really want to get back into it though, because even though I stopped playing those instrument peripheral based games a fair while ago, I still love music & rhythm games to this day and that part is because of Guitar Hero.

[@brandonmohle9282]

Love the use of the Mass Effect galaxy map theme as the background music, so much nostalgia...

[@MedivalNinja500]

One of the biggest cheats in gaming ever, as painful as it was to uncover and document this. I am very glad the community has stayed together through this. Thank you very much for working with us.

[@MacClariggs]

I know it's hard, but I know you can get through this!

[@SwankyBox]

Guitar Hero players will always mesmerize me. I've always loved watching the game and seeing something like this come to light is honestly terrible to see. Great coverage as always, Karl!

[@minishnervosa]

ive only seen like 1 guitar hero video before this one and i really wanna try it but i dont got the plastic guitar

[@Tom3kkk]

just more proof rockband is better, guitar hero is what call of duty was to battlefield

[@diavologh7418]

@@Tom3kkk What?

[@LucianDevine]

Hell, sometimes they are just fun to listen to! The song with the strumming just draws me in sometimes.

[@irvancrocs1753]

You should see OSU and Geometry Dash players as well, people on these games along with guitar hero are probably the most nuts community i've ever seen.. They are so dedicated..

[@lostangel2319]

Congratulations on your fc. It's not about medium, hard or expert. It's not about the time length of the song. It's the dedication you, as the player, put into accomplishing something you have never done before. Big props, great video, great channel. Like and subbed to you. Stay blessed.

[@Zapact]

1:08 Hey, it's guitarherostyles. Guitar Hero fanatic, turned Geometry Dash player, turned pedophile!

[@UKOGmonkey]

Karl you legend thanks for making this video. I don't play much rhythm games anymore, but it was sad to see all the cheating drama from a game that gave me so much joy. Cheating sucks. Don't do it.

[@bonnibloop_]

I'm reading this directly after cheating on all my math homework lmao I feel called out

[@CharlieKellyEsq]

The cheating drama makes it even more enjoyable, I don't know what you're talking about

[@osuplaeyurreallygood]

@Agent 39 cheating in a RHYTHM game makes no sense even when it's singleplayer

[@VD-cc4hx]

@@osuplaeyurreallygood cheaters don't need a reason to cheat. there is still a ton of athletes who cheat in the olympics. And that's displayed to the entire world having much higher stakes and money won than guitar hero, but its hard to tell without dna tests.

[@TPD]

hope you're well, george

[@itsdomtoo]

It really hit when he repaid the bounties. A lesser man would’ve gone ghost and kept the money, but he repaid it in full, admitted to cheating and how he cheated, and left the community in a relatively honorable way, the best way in my opinion for the crappy thing he did

[@carlostelevida]

he made thousand of dollars with his YT videos. cheater should be banned from using computers forever.

[@SomeoneThatIsHappy]

@@carlostelevida no?

[@Bongbongo]

@@carlostelevida calm down dude all the man did was cheat on a video game 💀

[@carlostelevida]

@@Bongbongo he stripped legit players the recognition they deserved for the grinding, it should mean nothing for you but for them it could even change their life forever, regards.

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

@@carlostelevida they can get their recognition now, nothing's been taken away. He didn't murder them. He even refunded people their money, and he left. The end. It's not that fuckin serious. You don't gotta take it that far.

[@DekkarJr]

I play guitar too and I always thought playing guitar was way easier than guitar hero lol. I'd sit there trying to play through the fire and the flames and get like 70% and turn around and play it note for note XD

[@ariartsy9220]

My greatest achievements on Guitar Hero (I have World Tour, Warriors of Rock, and Legends of Rock on Wii) were playing the entire TOOL concert on World Tour without a break (I didn't know how long TOOL songs were and once I realized I was in too deep) and playing the entirety of Hotel California on World Tour without missing a single note the first time... on Easy

[@tadyoshi3610]

Karl at 20:24 is the best player move in a speed run I’ve ever seen.

[@RetroDeath]

The shot where you play with your tongue absolutely killed me, lmao! I love the 'cheaters getting caught' videos, they are always so satisfying. Thanks for your hard work, man!

[@Radii_DC]

I spat my coffee all over my keyboard when he did that. Was well worth it.

[@DavidBrocekArt]

I have zero interested in speedrunning culture, but for some weird reason I just love your deep dives and analyses. Thank you sir.

[@JeffreyLynes]

Hard to believe any of this is possible, the buttons and strum bars an all my guitars broke after only a few months and I didn't even come close to the level of these guys.

[@staringcorgi6475]

It must be the world tour guitar aka the orange one terrible to use bc of the fragile strum bar which is why people use the les paul/xplorer/gh5 guitar (red and white)

[@DGAvalon]

For me the worst thing about this is that he took bounties, real cash, from his cheating. I know his given the money back, but he wouldn't have if he wasn't caught. It's deplorable.

[@themanidentifiedasdinosaur8138]

Imagine Faker having cheats on League of Legends for the insane reaction timing on some of the games, especially the earlier seasons. FAKER IS NOT A CHEATER. Just a "what if" scenario.

[@lightningteam8560]

The thing is even by giving the bounties back the people that reached legit didn't get the money

[@DGAvalon]

@@lightningteam8560 yeah, and some people may have given up the grind too. It's really disgusting, and I don't get why people are defending him because he gave the money back.

[@soccerdude9784]

@@themanidentifiedasdinosaur8138 EVERY player would hear about it and I would be completely baffled.

[@hillaryclinton2415]

And real winners were denied...

[@mondogecko3279]

His own joke splice at 20:18 made me laugh so hard…making easy level look he was playing expert😂😂😂

[@zymethamp6596]

That tongue action tho

[@mrjspeed]

That was the best part of the video. Love nuggets like this

[@Veginite]

I almost spat out my drink lol

[@Patbenn]

@@zymethamp6596 I suspect he wasn't really playing with his tongue. the tongue flicks didn't match up with the note pace. I'm at work right now but will have time to investigate further when I get home

[@minuano2ndtrueancestor865]

idk if the deadpan voice or the splice joke makes me laugh damn that is hilarious

[@J_Skeezy]

@21:53 I genuinely lost my mind when I saw you named the Bot "Todd Togers" The mere thought of A.I being able to replicate "The Human Element"....is quite disconcerting.

[@midniteee]

I'm literally addicted to these cheating scandal videos and I lit don't know any of the people or care about any of these games 😂 I just find them fascinating and Karl has one of the most unique voices on KZbin. This is such a great channel!

[@roymontgrand561]

I gotta say Karl, I appreciate the hell out of you and everything you do. You make the videos interesting, riveting and extremely informative. Giving us the info we need to understand the game, the community and every other aspect involved. You handle these things so well and I have to say you are definitely one of the best youtubers that cover these things. I have a deep respect for you and a huge appreciation of the evenings I spend watching your videos.

[@-Mintyy]

Literally came here to say the same thing but you worded it better lol.

[@hateWinVista]

I have no idea about community of speedrunning or hardcore play of particular games. And Karl can explain everything from basic game mechanism, current story/drama, history of the community and verdict of the topic so everyone can understand and enjoy the video. Simply doing god's work.

[@samusx2175]

Well said. He does put things together well on here. I've been a fan ever since he covered the old Billy Mitchell dumpster fire.

[@justxigoldenix9909]

At least he did the right thing at the end by fully confessing, refunding bounties, and disappearing. Granted it was after he got caught, but still. A damn shame the cheating happened at all.

[@jflanagan9696]

He could have disappeared with the money, but didn't. I think he really regretted what he did.

[@pnklysmooth9888]

Just getting in too deep and couldn’t /or didn’t know how to get out. We’ve all been there with something in our lives. Definitely glad he did the right thing.

[@SGprooo]

@@jflanagan9696 he wasn’t sorry for cheating, he was sorry for getting caught; granted he did the right thing, he still caused a lot of damage.

[@skeepee]

A rare case of a full confession with some contrition and reparations as well. The full harm can’t be reversed but I think he did what he could. Usually people caught in a huge lie deny it to the bitter end.

[@googane7755]

Right, he handled this way than most cheaters who will attack their accusers and continue to deny all of it despite everything, he even had the balls to return the money. It's honestly refreshing.

[@arnoldj.samson5795]

You know, its something interesting at how each time Karl posts since he manages to get a huge audience and we watch as he deconstructs and destroys cheaters with facts. Thank you for the years of amazing content Karl.

[@jamesmosley9320]

Totally missed the opportunity to add a windows media player overlay at the end of the medium run through. Would of had me cryin

[@FlaskFlash]

I'm no speedrunner, but this dude is so good at storytelling that makes me wish i were exposed lool.

[@Xpwnxage]

Just go find a TAS run online and upload it like it's your own. That'll do the trick. "THE MOST SHAMEFUL SPEEDRUNNING CHEATER IN HISTORY!!"

[@Shawno625]

@@Xpwnxage I cant believe FlakFlash would ever do such a thing

[@adopted996]

@@Shawno625 yeah I truly and utterly trusted him

[@Jartran72]

@@adopted996 Did you just assume this persons gender? How could you (sarc)

[@junjun8855]

@@Shawno625 he even drank 2 coke bottles instead of one in his speedruns!!!!

[@Relentless966]

20:17 That is absolutely hilarious, I love that even you jumped in on the memeing of Schmooey

[@arxil3810]

I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed 😂

[@3x3x3_]

the way he starts licking it 😭

[@gmoney9469]

I almost made this same comment

[@josh1234567892]

Lmfao, this caught me off guard

[@jerubaal101]

I think that Jobst guy needs to be investigated.

[@mavortius8768]

I have only started playing games like this (ex: Theatrhythm Final Bar Line) just recently and it is crazy watching what some of the real pros can do. I have noticed some gradual improvements in my gameplay but it is so slow that I am sure Karl's statement about the pros spending "many years and countless hours" mastering these songs is accurate. I'm having a lot of fun doing it though so who knows, maybe eventually I'll get there.

[@jippy33]

Was immediately reminded of Henning Blom. Given his young age, and the fact that he paid everything back, owned up to everything, apologized, and then left the community, I find it hard to be too harsh on him. Cheating is often a sign of low self-esteem as well, hopefully he learned from this and changed his attitude.

[@szeweisoo153]

Its often a combination of low self-esteem and desperation to move up the social ladder quickly

[@vismattress5760]

Y’all are soft lmao

[@w7ll203]

@@vismattress5760 it’s just called being a nice person bro 💀

[@nvrndingsmmr]

@@vismattress5760 I don't understand, explain what you're trying to say . xD

[@nobody-bt7mu]

@@vismattress5760 You should practice empathy. And if you can't contribute anything meaning full to a conversation, just move along.

[@murpium]

25:27 is what I feel some comments are missing. Yes, good on him for paying back the bounties, but this damage is irreversible. I feel bad for the legit players who were robbed of their big world record moments.

[@popcorny007]

Very good point, it's hard to forgive the stolen time, no matter how much he did to correct his mistakes

[@batouttahell24]

Exactly, it’s good that he repaid everyone...but the bottom line is that he cheated.

[@PeachiPrism]

he literally talked about that right after

[@tankerd1847]

Not to mention the insane amount of wasted time from his honest competitors, and the fact that he happily took thousands of dollars while he knew full well he was cheating. Cheating for glory and overlooking the people you're shutting out from that is one thing, but knowingly cheating to win money is straight up fraud.

[@enormousiserratic8276]

@@tankerd1847 but what if spending 60 hours a week to achieve a world record in guitar hero is ALSO a waste of time? Just slightly less of a waste

[@racinmason888]

Lmao the lingo is cracking me up at 17:15 Fretting the ol gryb quad zig and tappin the gybo quad 🤙

[@profcalculus474]

That's nothing, wait until you see my gryo quad reverse chimney into the alt tapping ladder with no ghosts 😎

[@neplatnyudaj110]

6:10 A guitar has 6 strings ...shows 7 string guitar

[@nomore6167]

At 21:53, naming the bot "Todd Togers" is just priceless. One thing cheaters don't seem to realize is they will most likely be taken down and exposed exclusively because of their ego. Cheat small and people may not notice. Keep cheating bigger and bigger and you will eventually screw up, which people WILL notice.

[@alexiacorbin3052]

and not only that, if you get people to hate you enough, you might just be famous enough for someone to mix your name with a synonym for fecese

[@ts4gv]

considering the hours he put into the game it’s crazy to me how sloppy he got i reckon it was self sabotage driven by subconscious. guitar hero had an unhealthy influence he both did & didn’t want out

[@JJFX-]

@@ts4gv I'm just surprised that it doesn't seem like anyone did detailed comparisons earlier. I would never cheat against competition in any game but if was going to cheat in GH, I'd be obsessively checking everything for days. Needing to mask off the notes from the rest of the UI would be obvious. As would validating the time ends up identical. Everything else surely gets harder to account for but this guy just did the bare minimum and got away with it for a decade. Pretty mind blowing.

[@OneTrueBelmont]

Props to the experts who could tell someone was cheating by just the key smashing. But them figuring out to pay attention to the swirly light bits was genius because even nonexperts like me could tell something was wrong.

[@jockdouglass3824]

Well I just looked at his fingers some bits didn't seem to line up with the notes

[@theriffwriter2194]

I'm 38 in the world on the Tekken 7 leaderboards. So my friends always considered me some kind of video game genius even though I never picked up another game in the same way. So when the guitar hero thing first took off I never really got into it but once I was at a friend's house and they wanted me to give it a try. I sucked so bad I can still recall all the eyes in the room being on my hands because I missed so many notes everyone thought my controller was unplugged. 😂 Yeah, definitely not my game.

[@2juiced]

And here am I… feeling good for reaching warrior rank with marduk 😂😂

[@tysonfinn1470]

U cant be because im number 38

[@theriffwriter2194]

@@tysonfinn1470 oh, I haven't played in nearly two years. Should've specified. I ultimately gave up because it takes me well under two minutes to get an online match connected in MK or SF but well over 20 for Tekken! The net code works just fine once the match is connected but getting there got too frustrating. My theory is it only connects you with people who have the same dlc characters as you and I won't buy characters I have no interest in using.

[@lunavixen015]

Frif actually tangentially brought up Schmooey’s actions without naming him during his SGDQ showcase this year.

[@hatman4818]

I was half expecting a windows media player easter egg at the end of your run as a joke, but I'm glad you did it legitimately, lol

[@myopinion69420]

i'm kind of just more confused that people use windows media player.

[@AegisRick]

I love how in all these speedrun games theres always that tiny indicator that was never intended to be used as an anticheat, but it inadvertently does. I remember they caught those Super meatboy splicers using nothing but those tiny loading screen animations. But, as much as I love condemning cheaters to their fates, I really do hand it to him for owning up to it, and even paying back all those bounties. That's not something you'd ever expect a cheater to do, so if nothing else, I do have a little respect for the guy.

[@redholm]

Yea. Once bounties where brought up I started thinking "Poor those people putting up the bounties". So I gotta give a small props to the guy for paying those back.

[@tankerd1847]

I have to imagine he knew he could've been in deep shit if he didn't give that money back. I'm no legal expert but knowingly cheating in a contest to secure the purse sounds like fraud to me.

[@DanielLCarrier]

If I ever make a game that can be speedrun, I'm going to include so many subtle indicators like this.

[@magnus0017]

@@tankerd1847 that could definitely be the case, and honestly what he did do should be the minimum we expect someone who cheated to do; admit it and take down the false achievements and remove that which he gained from the falsehoods. It's sad that it feels positive because so few do that. Especially compared to a number of other cheaters explored on this channel, and not even the big ones. Maybe as a watcher more than a runner cheaters never feel quite so infuriating to me, but doing the right thing in the end is better than not at all. And I'm sure there are ways he could have delayed, avoided, and evaded to where, even if not legal, too expensive and time consuming to bother.

[@johnwrath3612]

Nah, fuck that. He wouldn't have paid them back if he hadn't been caught.

[@nashthesecond0002]

History often repeats itself.

[@gdphantom7940]

Look at spaceuk's cheating situation as it is very similar to what happened here •notable top player that inspired others •was unnoticed for years despite questionable methods •admitted to few videos but most were fake There are probably more similarities but this is what I could notice

[@nashthesecond0002]

​@@gdphantom7940 That is the specific situation I'm referring to.

[@Isaac-fp2dj]

@@nashthesecond0002 I love that as soon as I read your comment, I knew exactly what you were talking about.

[@scrappydrake4683]

is the song that's playing at 2:00 from FTL:faster than light?

[@joetomp]

i NEVER condone cheating, but hear me out. Despite his cheating, I am glad that he returned the money that he scammed from people.

[@popeyboy5108]

I woulda respected the hustle more

[@shadowdaber284]

Imagine training for a tournament for months playing songs for hours and then hopefully to get the prize of a few grand and a guy just cheats and wins , a few years later he announced that he cheats and gives some but not all the money back to the rightful owners. If you got the money he stolen from you back, excited because you would have gone first place or maybe second but the Glory from it was taken away from you.

[@MacSmithvox]

@@popeyboy5108 Derp.

[@jamesowen4059]

@@shadowdaber284 sure, but he can't do that

[@dovahchicken935]

At least he was after glory over money and gave away both (even though it was stolen)

[@Shvok]

I love how in addition to all the research you do for specific games, you also actually PLAY the game to better understand them. KEEP IT GOING!

[@kalenrhea6349]

Even if i see the nickname and the name of the song in the corner, i simply cant find the video from 6:48... Could anyone help me out? That clip is dope, i wish to give credit to the original

[@FuzzyEditz]

Fun fact; my father played guitar hero and he even had the rainbow drums that came from a similar game that I used to play with when I was a small child. He’d go into the basement or living room and play it and sometimes I would watch him. I never played the game myself but he looked like he had some fun with it. I still cannot believe that people would cheat on this game. :c

[@opiniononion919]

I really don't get why people are saying he admitted everything. He denied everything he could as long as he could and only admitted his cheating when it wasn't even needed anymore because most of his videos were proven to be cheated. Only props he gets is for paying back all the money.

[@duyphan4617]

Because he eventually admitted. You know. Not everyone got the BALLZ to admit it right away. Even when their crime is minor for the least.

[@suezuccati304]

To be fair, if he didnt give the money back, the people who paid him could sue the hell out of him.

[@NUFCOfficial]

You're acting like cheating at speedrunning is a crime nobody cares bro it's just a game

[@suezuccati304]

@@NUFCOfficial it's not a crime but it's frustrating. Nobody likes being lied to.

[@jamestaylor9802]

Most people would just carry on the lie no matter how obvious it has become and just go bigger as an attempt to waive suspicion. He did deny as long as reasonably possible, but then admitted when he knew he could just keep denying but it wasn’t worth it

[@rismosch]

As horrendous as these cheaters are, I still respect them for confessing. Every time it makes me so much angrier at Billy Mitchell, because he seems to be the only person who just cannot confess.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

I'll give this guy props for actually refunding all his bounties, there's a LOT of people who wouldn't do that.

[@googlgfacef218]

Billy Mitchell is the best gamer in his Era. I vividly recall him beating Mario Kart 64 in 1983, 13 years before the game was even released.

[@shaidenunya2146]

Completely agree. Yea, he did a horrible thing and deserves to be punished.. but I believe he will grow from this and I give him respect for admitting that what he did was wrong.

[@peco1551]

Not only confessing what suprised me the most is that he payed back the bounties.

[@johnfrian]

Agreed! The fact that he confessed, apologised and paid back rewards is such a rare thing. So many bad people would do the opposite, double down on their claims and keep the cash. It's the best possible outcome of a bad situation, which is respectable. I would share a beer with this cheater and help them look forwards to a better future now that they've done the right thing.

[@PsyJoeTV]

I play tons of actual guitar myself. I would say though, this is "just a game", it doesn't really try to simulate playing guitar. But it is great fun! My own greatest achievement was a blind-folded FC on Through the Fire and Flames on 100% speed at Expert difficulty, during a live competition in the city I grew up in. But that's nearly 15 years ago now. But what a great memory. So many great memories, sitting with friends, sweaty competing or just having fun with a beer. Man it was a good time.

[@yvendous]

Congrats on your FC, my man