Raging Loop is a Huge Mess

[@SorasShadow1]

as lifelong anime fan; i fucking love translator's notes and wish they were more common in the modern day and really appreciated the detailed breakdown on why it's so difficult

[@cecilsmith2061]

As an anime fan turned manga-binger, TL notes are a Godsend and make consuming the media more fun and a tad bit educational.

[@xilo6830]

I would finally be able to watch Monogatari if every pun was explained lol

[@hakurou4620]

@@xilo6830 It would take you about three months to get through each episode, but sure.

[@CheshireCad]

Good translators: "I spent three days wracking my brain and researching obscure 1920's slang terms to figure out how I could completely retranslate half the terminology and wordplay in a way that would make this offhand joke maybe make sense to anyone who knows the meaning of the word 'hokum'." Great translators: "*"

[@cecilsmith2061]

@@CheshireCad then you've got the shitty hacks who either put in internet memes that age like fine milk, despite being paid to do a proper job, or God forbid, people who modify and bastardize a whole chunk of the work for their own self-serving ends, spitting in the face of the artists who have entrusted them with their work. ...but on a grand day, you get pirate translators who commit to translating it in stereotypical Australian English + slang

[@cyncynshop]

"And then you found out the game is written with one hand" is often the reveal with TONs of visual novel plots.

[@amberrost2665]

...somehow your comment is the one that made it click in my head that was a masturbation joke. I was sitting there like "What? One handed?? Something to do with multi hand spider monster or??? What does that have to do with this???" And now it makes sense, I'm just stupid sometimes 😩

[@panielrosebud]

corpse party.

[@AManChoosesASlaveObeys]

@@panielrosebud Someone in japan... ideas... guro tag... you know... >implying

[@TheSpiritsLease]

​@@panielrosebudExplains that shit with Yuuka.

[@cdeo4l668]

@@AManChoosesASlaveObeysero guro😂

[@somekinnn]

If there's one thing I really appreciate about this game, I like how it makes the guy that looks like a "Hahah funny nerd fat guy" and acts like it for the first two parts into actually one of the most competent and skilled characters in the story. Really nice subversion of expectations.

[@snailthelostcow63]

Most common than you think actually

[@minerman60101]

Great pfp

[@renalanf0rd]

like that guy from Highschool of the Dead

[@ryomahoshi4529]

​@@renalanf0rdgod that man was such a menace but in a good way

[@gazzgaspay4841]

We call him Big Chungus, and man he is good. Built like a football player, brain like a pro detective. That mf is hard to deal with.

[@galvanizeddreamer2051]

OK, I will fully admit, handing someone a shotgun shell and saying "Shoot god with this." is an absolutely hilarious quip. Top-tier stuff.

[@Ikcatcher]

It’s honestly amazing how many unintentionally funny scenes this visual novel has. Moochi playing rock paper scissors and then piss man whipping out a shotgun is looney tunes level of comedy

[@cecilsmith2061]

@@Ikcatcher That's a fucking baller way to win at RPS lmao

[@JedeOff]

​@@cecilsmith2061 rock, paper, shotgun?

[@quirinoguy8665]

Literally, the best scene in the game, it was way funnier than the sheep thing. The comedy peaked in that moment. Who knew a finger gun would lose to a real gun?

[@RobotnikPlngas]

That's literally the last battle of Persona 5.

[@dragonlash]

Hashimoto is an absolute FUCKING BEAST. I expected him to be the haha big dumb guy trope but NO he's absolutely insane

[@nguyendi92]

I , on the other hand, hate Hashimoto character. It is the bad writing of a Genius type. He just magically know everyones characters and how they act. Deduce everything perfectly when there is not enough infomation to do so. The MC have the power of looping to learn. This man do it in 1 day. Magically know facts that absolutely not a red herring. Magically know what the MC'sthought process are without actually talk to the MC once. Couple with the fact that you cant actually use the loop ability to change minutr detail of the same loop. It is infuriating.

[@CluelessAnon]

Absolutely obsessed with Ozzy's insistence on referring to Fusaishi as Piss-Man. Also for all the story's faults, Hashimoto is handled spectacularly. The first two loops, you think he's just going to be a jobber who gets offed early on. But the moment he survives, he, like Piss-Man, starts using his "outsider's perspective" to his advantage to make some amazing deductions. Also the edit at 1:10:01 absolutely killed me.

[@nouvelle147]

Well, he's more "Piss-man" than "Fusaishi Haruaki" anyways

[@MintyCoolness]

Hashimoto is so based, like omfg. During the chapter when you're a Wolf he constantly had your number, and I found myself going "Fuck you, Hashimoto!~" but with all the love in my heart~

[@dootdoot3065]

Ngl, part of me wants to play the game just for Hashimoto

[@quirinoguy8665]

Imagine if he was the protagonist instead, and the game is written as an actual grounded murder mystery, we would be watching mental masscre, man would just deduce all your insecurities and roast the living hell out of you levels of absolute domination.

[@sunbleachedangel]

Why is he Piss-man again?

[@jackuval9362]

The CG at 1:04:33 is reminiscent of Danganronpa 1's main menu, which randomly swaps head shots of two characters every few seconds and has a blue filter over it, main difference being a grid in the background and a randomly moving reticle

[@Dracas42]

So, I was actually super invested in the story as you were telling it... up to the point where things got noticeably ridiculous. Feels like this story could have been better served if the last chapter of the game was instead finding a way to keep everyone alive *through* the feast itself, which where the most interesting parts to listen through of your retelling, or leaning more into the whole mountain god thing and finding a way to limit its power.

[@HeckYep]

Yeah, at the start I was hoping the last loop would be outfoxing the game with all your knowledge and ensuring nobody dies despite the wolves.

[@3st3st77]

​@@HeckYep Same. It would have been so interesting to see this turning into a stalemate. Let's say, you would blackmail the wolves by revealing you know their identities but you will also get protection from them every night. Or let's say that is impossible to set up and you have to decide who needs to die to minimize fatalities, maybe including allies who would go berserk. So much lost potential.

[@quirinoguy8665]

Yeah, honestly, I thought the game would naturally progress that way, and eventually the final act would have him as a wolf trying to sabotage the other wolves for love-interest girl to survive with the others while sacrificing himself, somewhere along the lines of that, the story and premise was so interesting and fun when it was grounded, but when the stupid button was pressed, it was all pure slop at the end.

[@Slixer]

Why it's not the best story in the world, you can tell that Ozzy is deliberately framing the video to be as negative as possible for the sake of his own point.

[@seasnaill2589]

The moment you go 'it wasn't magic at all, it was all a conspiracy!' it all falls apart. Take that bit out, keep the significance of the ritual relevant and then have the MC break the ritual in some fun genius way only a time looper could do. Hell he practically *did* do that, the idea of faking the killing of a god making people lose faith in him and thus nerfing his power would've been fine! Stick with it, have the mist never descend cause the god causing it is now on the same level as the badger!

[@Nixahma]

1:45:20 This is apparently a BIG headache for AA localisers, especially fan localisation. Basically every Ace Attorney name is a pun, and if you consider Ace Attorney as a premise requires a bunch of one-off side characters, it gets rough.

[@maiam388]

Ace Attorney Investigations 2 moment (I really liked the names the fan localization came up with honestly, if we ever do get an official translation I would be sad if they changed them).

[@FlantisFroggu]

Luke Atme Wright Miles of Edge

[@Nixahma]

@@maiam388 I actually learned about this in a donation during The Nyancave's stream of case 5 of that game. Being bilingual myself I can absolutely relate tbh, and in Japanese of all languages... Afaik most Asian languages have a good amount of words that just don't even exist in most western languages, plus the slight differences between multiple versions of the same phrase (for example, suki, daisuki, aishiteru and koishiteru all sufficiently translate as "I love you" despite having VERY different connotations in Japanese) make localisations a nightmare by themselves, let alone the very particular and restricted translation a pun calls for. Edit: A creative solution Scarlet Study (iirc that's the name?) did in their fan translation of The Great Ace Attorney for Magnus McGilded specifically is that they dubbed him Cosney Megundal, by taking the pronounciation of a Japanese phrase that meant something like "keep the change" and then adjusting it to sound like a name. My memory is vague, but you can probably find the exact thing in the comment section of some older playthroughs. I always thought that was really cool.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@FlantisFroggu Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

[@ghagen5552]

"mochi plays finger gun piss man plays real gun" best line of the video though the best ongoing gag would have to be the badass hashimoto

[@cecilsmith2061]

>the best ongoing gag would have to be the badass hashimoto WDYM, he is a badass! He's covered wars before, y'know! You're just treating him like a joke because you know he isn't in the room with you right now!

[@ghagen5552]

@@cecilsmith2061 If he was in the room with me I would fear for my life

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

​@@ghagen5552 hashimoto would deduce every single way you've ever disappointed your mom and send them to your crush for dissing him like that

[@WennanWeeWulligan]

Fear and hunger reference?​@@cecilsmith2061

[@cervicalvertebrea]

Okay, I agree, Hashimoto is a really rootable antagonist, and I'm glad you walk us through the timeline where he just wins.

[@Ikcatcher]

1:14:45 This is probably the most unintentionally funny scene in the whole game. Mocchi thought he had a chance of winning a game of rock paper scissors but then piss-man just whips out a shotgun.

[@cecilsmith2061]

On a normal day, the "gun" hand is easily beaten by a "rock" to the nose, a "scissors" to the eyes, or, if you're feeling merciful, a "paper" to the cheek. but he's a crossdresser lol

[@prorandocopier7945]

"shit, cant win against that.." "yea ill make it quick"

[@curtin1107]

I mean calling it 'unintentionally funny' isn't doing it justice, is it? This was clearly intentionally a joke, beating 'fake gun' with 'real gun' was obviously meant to be funny.

[@eins2001]

​​@cecilsmith2061 "but he's a crossdresser" what tf does that have to do with it

[@cecilsmith2061]

@@eins2001 u mad bro? :DDDDDDDD

[@Y00bi]

If they just straight up told you that Haruaki was using a alias at the start of the game because his real name is fairly well known, the reveal at the end of the game would actually be genius.

[@Bluecho4]

It would also add a low level of narrative tension to the entire game. The audience will be left wondering who he was, whether his actions are dictated by his secret identity, and whether he's even a reliable narrator.

[@WintersTheSixth]

I would be cool if in the second loop where he was with the cop, the cop would try to read his ID but kept getting interrupted While in the village there would be some shit with his name on it they would have or Hashimoto being a fan of his works and that's the reason why he has about the same wavelength of thought as the guy

[@Riskofdisconnect]

​​@@Bluecho4 I finished my playthrough of this game like a day before this video came out, and I'll tell you it's heavily heavily hinted at throughout the whole story that Haruaki Fusaishi is a fake name. There are tons of moments where he alludes to being a liar, not being who he says he is, and specifically refers to Haruaki in the third person in his own thoughts. The low tension you talk about of the audience thinking "who is this guy actually?" Is very very present. I hate making 🤓 comments like this and the game is definitely a mess but I thought that reveal was well-earned

[@SomeOtherTroper]

@@Bluecho4 Fake name or not, his internal dialogue and rather ...oddly muted reactions to the craziness of the village and his analytical tendencies even near the start of the game made me pretty sure there was more going on with the guy than "I'm trying to get over a breakup by motorcycling through the countryside", although my bet was that he was either some sort of undercover investigator secretly called in by someone in the village or a criminal running to lay low from a screwup in the city. His descriptions of other characters as caricatures and general meta commentary throughout made the eventual murder mystery author reveal work for me. Of course he's half-thinking in characterization and narrative tropes and mystery solving, because that's his job. As far as reliable narration goes, my perspective might be skewed because I cut my VN teeth on Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night, but my default assumption is that VN narrators are at least highly biased even if they're not deliberately hiding information from the reader.

[@Strix2031]

​@@Bluecho4 i kinda figured out he was lying about who he was by the start of chapter 3

[@neddles33]

only just at the cashier introduction, and Im calling her as God. She has that Izanami-as-gas-station-attendant character design

[@neddles33]

ehehehe

[@fel293]

Shin Megami has weirdly prepared me for that

[@yamihikarilightdark9]

Unnamed npc appearing at the start with a detailed ingame model that acts kinda off, yup yup. Since playing P3 and P4, I always end up just being suspicious of that type of npc and any kind of goofy comedy relief side character.

[@venomoussocks1017]

Correct! You win a very shitty ending for a game that could've been so much more interesting.

[@aeostral8878]

I'm probably 10hrs away from beating P4G and reading this has me stunned

[@ArroktheBlind]

Something that struk me as funny during the discussion of puns is that the English name for the game is a pun itself. Loop in raging loop sounds like 'loup' in the phrase 'loup garou', which means werewolf.

[@MrKiwitox]

One of the endings is in fact called "Raging Loup" for that same reason. The translation team were really good with what they had.

[@MrJake8555]

Japaneses mystery author trying not to spoil their entire plot in kanji challenge : level impossible

[@soles3419]

Maybe the real sheep was the massacres we made along the way

[@StegoAqua]

Woolo and Mareep would have words, mainly one word each, but words nonetheless

[@tomasburnes8600]

The real maybe sheep along made massacres we the

[@jessegraves6642]

I hate you, that is all.

[@trinidaddiogonzo3880]

Ha! That's what she said!

[@dominicphillips6046]

that's a lot of sheep

[@zckaiser]

The worst part about the main character hiding his real name and occupation is that it would have been so easy to establish at the beginning that he was using a fake name for a good reason (he's a somewhat famous author, people would recognize the name), and then basically not bring it up again all game, turning the surprise with the marriage thing into a "I bet you forgot about that detail" instead of a stupid twist. Also this game is really handicapped by its shared universe; imagine if, instead of the random unexplained little girl solving all the plot, Kanzo sees the old man's change and realizes he's the culprit and gets his catharsis, and, say, it's the already established mechanism of "gods need belief to have power" that defeats that dark god, as by explaining all the tricks of the game the main character has reduced the superstitions of the village significantly, defanging the dark god.

[@TheMartianCherry]

It is a "I bet you forgot about that detail" moment - everytime Haruaki lies he begins by saying "Ummm...", and every time he gives his name he starts wth "Ummm..." so if you reread before the ending sequence it is implied that it isn't his real name. The reason isn't really explained but it is fairly consistent with his personality of being a scumbag who likes to mess with people. Meiko solving the plot is silly though.

[@paladan4597]

Haruaki having lied was actually the only part of the ending that I felt made complete sense, lol.

[@kagi-ura]

@@TheMartianCherry yess I thought about that part a lot. When Chiemi mentioned that he uses 'umm..' before lying and always introduced himself as 'umm.. I'm Haruaki Fusaishi'. Even though this happened towards the end, I really liked it and how he used it against uematsu. I completely agree with the Meiko part of the comment

[@zeriel9148]

Japanese writers LOVE their stupid twists. It feels like if instead of being panned, M Night Shamalyan was the most respected writer for the last 50 years and then the results of that. What soap opera bullshit writing in western TV shows is to the west, "LA TWEEEEST!" is to Japanese popular media writing.

[@anothun9216]

​@@zeriel9148The eastern narrative flow, KiShoTenKetsu is literally built around the climax being a twist. That's just how the japanese writes stuff

[@anabrule]

1:04:36 Stylistically, this feels really reminiscent of late-era Kaneko art--The careful, soft shading, the armor design, the doll-like proportions. Beyond that, Piss-Man's dead-eye stare kind of reminds me of an illustration Fuminori from Song of Saya, but I'll admit that that's a Stretch

[@ROAD-HORROR]

It's like.. On the tip of my tongue... It almost feels like a Takeshi Obata work, maybe it's the All You Need is Kill cover? but at the same time, it reminds me of the manga cover for 6000? it's hard to place... I also think it reminds me of a ps1 or ps2 game... But I can't place that feeling... It feels really familiar though for sure

[@anabrule]

​@@ROAD-HORROR PS1 or PS2 would make sense for the era of Kaneko art I'm thinking of, for sure

[@SBLoktopus]

It looks kind of like art from Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga to me

[@anabrule]

@@SBLoktopus Yeah! Kaneko was the artist on that one & that's exactly the era I was thinking of too

[@djizomdjinn]

For some reason it gives me a very Drakengard 1 vibe... namely the Caim art with the creepy smile.

[@geekboy2140]

I find it hilarious how Hashimoto died in TWO loops where we get bad endings. but the minute we get wolf, dude’s upright and spitting facts with EVERYONE on our case about being said wolf. Like you can’t make this stuff up…

[@sudarzgracer4352]

Well, this isn't that unbelievable. He may be smart, but he is still human, I don't think he is a combat specialist or good at fighting even when he did American Football at some point making him a solid body. Ultimately, a stab to the chest or a bullet through the head is all it takes to kill a person. No amount of confidence, wit or smarts will save you if you didn't know the knife or bullet was coming which he certainly did not the first two times.

[@WooberJig]

It's cause everyone else is too damn stupid to do anything.

[@velvetphi]

is it not the quintessential social deduction experience to have a teammate job constantly when you roll town, but the moment you get the power to kill they spontaneously transform into sherlock goddamn holmes

[@texikkikwenni]

it helps that after the first 2 times he DOESN'T die instantly. I'd assume he would be a formidable "player" either of those loops if he didn't.

[@archerestarcher]

I mean the two times he did die were purely due to not being informed of having to stay inside all night, as far as I could tell from the video. First one he died because the van doesn't count as staying inside. Second one he died because he went outside to go to the loo, not knowing he wasn't allowed to do that. The third time we gave him a situation where he would just stay inside - and hey look, he survived to then absolutely be the biggest threat to us possible! :D

[@ariofirdaus9050]

The whole reveal about Miguruma family reminds me of that professor Layton skit from Tumblr "The giant dog is not real, it's actually a projection from a satellite" "Uh Professor, I think it's more plausible if it's just a really big dog"

[@Goldenkitten1]

Me watching. Act 1: "This is kinda neat for a budget VN." Act 2: "I may buy this!" Act 3: "Went a little off the rails at the end but I'm sure this can be made to make sense." Act 4: ............................ (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

[@allenharper2928]

😮

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

Hahaha 😅

[@WhatTheCheick]

Guess who only speaks English and found out that “The Beatles” is a pun despite knowing about them their whole life

[@heavenlylatte]

I’m in my mid-thirties and you literally just taught me that. The things you don’t notice…

[@SOLO.SHAD0W-HAWK]

Sorry could you explain, beat - els ?

[@heavenlylatte]

@@SOLO.SHAD0W-HAWK It's like "beetles" but "beat" because music. At least I'm pretty sure.

[@CallMeTaste]

My mouth just hit the floor at this 1:45:31 moment...

[@Kyumifun]

same except English is my second language. I wondered what the FUCK is up with that word untill this video explained it.

[@Magnafiend]

Aside from the whole "piss man" bit never getting old, I nearly lost it when talking about backgrounds, as soon as you pointed out the render clouds background I knew EXACTLY where it was going... I use that shit for texturing in photoshop all the time (usually to get some sort of contrasting colors, then mask, add noise, etc until it becomes more of like a shadow for old parchment etc etc).

[@logandabrute]

"it was all a conspiracy" is the single worst twist literally ever that never, ever goes well in any story and i can't believe this game had such a spectacular idea and setup and turned it into that

[@Krystalchan2009]

44:17 I wonder if the love interest issue in this game with the triangle moving over was because they found the "Lovers" role in various warewolf-style games. Maybe for two reasons. One the Lover's role in social games tend to be 'tied' together, which if one dies it causes the other to die. In terms of story writing I can already see the mountain of writing difficulty to have you betray your love interest...

[@tealtalonflame4281]

Idk When I heard about the Monkeys, my first thought was "Oh, its the Lovers but crooked". I really do think they were trying to play the love triangle straight, and didnt do it well.

[@Justapikachu577]

I NEVER KNEW THE BEATLES WAS A PUN I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS TWO WAYS TO WRITE BEETLE AND THIS IS HOW I LEARN THAT?!

[@wardrobewings8000]

Hashimoto dying in the first two loops early on then in the third one becoming an absolute menace towards MC cracks me up. Can you imagine how much shorter (and potentially better depending on the changes) the game would become if he was an active character from the start? Also, the writers absolutely goofed up. You can't have supernatural horror, have a gigantic Lovecraftian monster, and then have a segment where characters rationally explain the mystery only to loop back to supernatural horror. Meshing those works only if you a) have potentially supernatural horror only to unmask the human behind it via rational explanation OR b) have a sceptical "detective" try to explain away the supernatural only to be smacked into the face by it.

[@elloo98]

I suppose that doing both is just the latter case, but cultists working mundanely to magical ends doesn't seem like an impossible plot. In fact a lot of the cultists in Lovecraft's work do just that. This game doesn't and can't really handle that well due to the timeloops showing the monster, but if it were re-written then I think it could be pulled off well. You would need to lessen how much the mundane can do to more show the difference between the two. Hell have the MC believe and then get dissolutioned with the supernatural elements of the plot and have him discover and reveal every mundane reason for why things are the way they are, but make one thing not fit this puzzle, and that is something actually supernatural that makes him believe again, and allows for an easier bridge into the end of the world.

[@wardrobewings8000]

@@elloo98 You absolutely can have a situation where cultists or normal humans direct the supernatural entity for their own rational reasons or in ways that at first look seem to indicate no supernatural involvement. Look no further than Death Note. That kind of scenario is still supernatural horror because you can't explain away the supernatural components. So an example of structure A would be The Hound of Baskervilles, while an example of structure B would be The Horror at Red Hook. What I think would work the best for Raging Loop is creating two major unconnected mysteries- one supernatural and one not supernatural- with some smaller mysteries peppered around them. Use the not supernatural mystery as either a red herring or an obstacle to solving the supernatural mystery.

[@namingfae]

​@@wardrobewings8000 That's... Exactly what the game does though, the feast is a red herring that a first is thought to be tied in with the loop but that later turns out yo be a non supernatural element disconnected from the supernatural element.

[@charlottevangotterdammerung]

Spoilers To be honest, the supernatural stuff is what made the story so gripping And when the twists reveal that it's all some scooby doo shit, that's when it lost me

[@balajik8473]

Read the extras, it tells that it wasn't all not supernatural, it tells that haruaki has awakened an archetype called detective which reduces supernatural events to dumb realistic events. I can't explain it properly read the last extra.

[@OctagonCookies]

@@balajik8473It’s in the video, but that’s not an explanation, that just turns everything from bad to worse.

[@Asterion608]

Ikr? They builded such an interesting and well crafted inner folklore for their story just to throw it all down the shitter. How this have any fans is a mytery, to be it went from like 9 out 10 to 1 out of ten . Can't respect this novel on the slightest after.

[@tripledsupset7301]

This is litterally a detective conan twist, it makes everything "sci fi" or "grounded" and ruins the "mystical or supernatural elements of it"

[@theshuman100]

​@@balajik8473 ah yes. the sixth spirit. the 🤓

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

It's honestly astounding how the "Logical" explanation is more unbelievable than the idea that the curse was real.

[@artificialdevil-sm]

I always interpreted Mocchi "just knowing" things not as magic, but as him being some kind of savant; he's subconsciously picking up and analyzing a bunch of information from his surroundings but he can't really explain anything about his process so to an outside perspective it seems like he's just correctly bullshitting everything.

[@calibursatsujin3112]

i have something similar, high intelligence low wisdom, sometimes i just figure things out and i have no clue how to explain it

[@ErdeZ]

@@calibursatsujin3112Yes, I'm sure that facebook iq test was totally legit.

[@madelinemcmillan4020]

Or he's just the special snowflake main protagonist.

[@RoyalFusilier]

That reminded me of Comet from Gnosia, who has low formal intelligence but amazing intution.

[@calibursatsujin3112]

@@RoyalFusilier how the hell did I not think of that one

[@Jamstaro1]

Im just gonna say it... The ending ship HAS CANNONICALLY killed each other multiple times before he broke the time loop successfully... That relationship has so much trauma to deal with ...

[@nandanthony]

Cant believe the gross underaged relationship had better romance writing ngl

[@personnemay2692]

​@nandanthony like yeah how was the relationship with the teen that killed him once the cutest one that fellthe less weird???

[@nosyDetective]

@@personnemay2692 Oh, 100%. It's all gore porn on underage girls. The manga is even worse.

[@ioele1000]

@@nandanthony Would they be a considered a teen anymore? It's said that she's been in the loop for decades, so her body may be young but mentally she's decades old, way older than the protag. When the reverse happened in Jobless reincarnation, aka Rudeus, and he was a kid flirting with girls "his age" people had a problem with it then.

[@JayEyedWolf]

​@@ioele1000I think you misunderstood; Chiemi (black hair, main love interest, torturous time looper) isn't a teenager afaik. She's the one who killed the MC a bunch. Ozzy didn't go into detail during this video, presumably for his own sanity, but he indicated that there is a romantic subplot with Haru (brown hair) in Loop 3. Haru is 15, and while the (alleged?) badger god indicates an awareness of time loops, it does not seem to be a participating member in THESE time loops. And also Haru herself would remain a... cohost?... of the body, and SHE is still 15 both mentally and physically. That, in Loop 3, is the weird romance with a teenager the other commenter means.

[@Kane-uv2du]

In my headcanon Fusaishi-kun just turned on midwit Battler-mode in the end and explained everything with small bombs. The witch outside of the board was so astonished by the stupidity of this explanation that she refused to continue the game, so this is how we ended up with electronic locks and sleeping gas ending.

[@akiradkcn]

He just needed a explanation, thats how you win against them

[@empressofkingfishers8656]

This comment has me clapping my hands and laughing

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@akiradkcn Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

[@bobg9]

underrated comment

[@akiradkcn]

@@SimoneBellomonte Kunoichi Tsubaki, its a scene from the anime itself

[@SamasakiXBL]

I'm a little mad about the sheep being his ex. I'm more mad that it ended like that. The first 3 loops were very interesting, but damn. Having your game go out like that is... weak. I didn't get to see every single line of dialogue, but that whole hidden room secret books arc would've been enough for me to stop there.

[@doctorkatmd]

I shit you not, I didn't realize this video was 2hr long until I accidently moved my mouse and saw the run time at exactly 1:44:09. I watched the majority of this video unaware of how much time I had spent watching it. I can't recall a single other time that's ever happened to me. I hope you see this, and I hope you know it was purely because of your delivery.

[@crudbeans8905]

Bro is a legend of editing and a artist at work

[@sydneygorelick7484]

Something about the patter and pacing just makes the hours fly by!

[@MitchellMlg]

Sweet god. I just finished this video, and feel like the value of the 'plot twist' has just diminished to nothingness. I could keep up with the murder mystery part, but then comes act 4, collecting the keys and figuring out the load of absolute *dukey horsecrap* that lies beyond the final key button. Well played, you have officially made me *absolutely dumbfounded* by how far a game can twist in it's final act... 2 hours well spent!

[@akun50]

This entire thing makes me think someone had a competent story, then looked at a certain other visual novel/anime series that blends science and a self-made mythology and went, "I CAN DO THAT TOO!". That or, they had a competent werewolf-based mystery story written and then someone said, "You need to add in more twists." So, they added the time loops. "More!" So they add in the eldritch abomination. "More!!" + the secret overly-scientific conspiracy. "MORE!!!" + sheep ex girlfriend.

[@Totallynotkyubey]

One thing I've noticed about japanese writing is that a lot of them have a problem with some soft form of megalomania. I don't think anyone told them to add those twists, that's just how their stories go. Subtlety usually doesn't survive till the end.

[@Pzychotix]

​@@Totallynotkyubeywith how that last side story plays out, it feels like they had a story planned out, and then some higher up went, "but how do we tie this into the rest of our universe?" And instead of letting it play out naturally, we get this abomination of an ending. That's my hope anyways, cause I refuse to believe the writers wanted this.

[@Totallynotkyubey]

@@Pzychotix I don't think small scale projects like this have a lot "higher ups".

[@AbyssalManta]

@@Totallynotkyubey > Soft Form The Japanese just LOVE Kudzu plots. The trope is named after a Japanese plant for a reason.

[@r1zmy]

@@Totallynotkyubey I've seen a number of Japanese movies that had very interesting premises and getting really good in the middle but fall flat on it's ending quite a bit. Pulse and Battle Royale comes to mind. I wonder if the authors intended to take the concept even further past the middle section of the story, but just never got to due to budgeting constraints.

[@meks4011]

When you said "Then you realize that this game was written with only one hand." I guessed it would be some ridiculous sex thing but dear god that twist is not just awful but insane (also this video taught me, a native english speaker, that the beatles was a pun.)

[@sydneygorelick7484]

Same re: pun. It might have been more obvious for people who were introduced to the Beatles as adults, but as someone who is young enough to have learned how to spell "beetle" and "Beatles" at about the same time, it completely went over my head until now

[@buhbabs]

1:04:45 That screen REALLY reminds of the the Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc Home Screen (The blue hue over two close up faces, being separated by something centered.) It also strikes such familiarity due to them being the same genre.

[@qrow_rose]

The last bit about murder mystery fiction made me rember reading The Honjin Murder and getting annoyed how the narrator explicitly tells the reader which aspects of the scene are pivotil to the murder in the introductory chapter before the murder has even happened. "This would be crucial in the case to come" COOL, THANKS, totally didnt want that to come up naturally later and be a neat reveal.

[@destinyweb1311]

"can we read higurashi?" "we have higurashi at home" higurashi at home:

[@SorarikoMotone]

i got to the art section - and i definitely DIDNT expect to see in between all the muscle and stuff... touken ranbu characters, Maeda Toshirou and Taroutachi specifically. such a small world, huh

[@CalvinChikelue]

As someone who loved the game I completely understood your complaints particularly those around Mochi's portrayal/characterization & the reality of Rikako particularly how THE revelations about her behavior aren't given the weight they deserve. I did however like the Haruaki twist & did think it was badass while reading LOL I dunno I just like how simple of a turn it was in the face of the overwhelming situation. I do agree though that Haruaki's final task & the overall explanation of the feast & politics surrounding its origin was just bland particularly in comparison to all the other wild & more compelling stuff. I would have preferred they just go full supernatural than trying to force in something rational to the point of irrationality. Also I was one of the people who always watched the Hint Corner scenes so I'm actually baffled that the team even made the choice to make them capable of being missed entirely. On the UI aspect as well, I truly felt for you because at least playing it on Switch, navigating the flowchart was pretty smooth in my playtime. PS. Thanks for also bringing up Gnosia in this review. Both these games got me well through 2021's quarantine so I always appreciate them & the even more underrated Gnosia getting any spotlight.

[@knochentrocken96]

The strange did feel awkward but it does make sense to me after reading all the tips and learning that the author tried to tie this vn into his universe which is full with supernatural powers. I do have complaints with this game though but they're stemming from something completely else

[@hexmaniacwingy]

The way I describe Raging Loop is that it's the video game equivalent of intercepting in the opponent's endzone, making a 100 yard rush, and right before it can score a touchdown it steps on a landmine with that final act.

[@SkyYukiGuy]

I watched half of this video, go to sleep, waking up next day to finally learn why it's bad. God and it was so good in the first half not gonna lie.

[@Nixahma]

Same...

[@Boomblox5896]

They had us in the first half, not gonna lie. Maybe mystery stories should just stick to the first idea instead of coming up with another idea to throw off the tracks. Mysteries are so obsessed with coming up with plot twists that it gets in the way of actual satisfaction.

[@takimi_nada]

@@Boomblox5896agreed. Sometimes these twists that explain everything are kind of satisfying, but most of the time they fall so flat. I always wish it was simply supernatural

[@mothmantra6289]

I honestly thought it seemed really good at first. It, uh, didn't last lol

[@Boomblox5896]

@@mothmantra6289 And thus we have a critical flaw in mystery stories. They only know how to write it good for the first half before they realize "Quick, we gotta throw them off so it really feels like a mystery!" in the second half. Maybe simpler stories would be better in this case, even if it's "predictable".

[@Kaneland2014]

Gotta say, I was legit caught off guard when the werewolves just pull out guns in the meeting and kill everyone. Like I was so sure that it worked like Werewolf the actual game and went "Wait thats illegal!"

[@stelscarrot]

1:04:40 gives off an Ace Attorney artstyle vibe even more than ever. Also reminds of some 200X mecha vns I saw screenshots of, but never played as I had no interest in them.

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

44:00 Perhaps this is giving the writing too much credit considering how things kinda fall apart at the end, but is it possible that he was trying to force himself to have feelings for another girl as part of the denial that his proper love interest was a wolf that loop?

[@Glamikuns]

I was like ‘wow this is an exciting supernatural story!’ And then you reveal the actual story at the end and rhe twist and i…understand why this game is a mess now

[@nate4636]

I always get happy when someone mentions Gnosia. It’s super underrated and more people should play it.

[@kr0w186]

i remember I dropped this game shortly after the whole sheep reveal. I wanted to pick it back up but i couldn't. I'm glad someone else shares the same thoughts about this game as me lmao. Quality video man; looking forward to more.

[@Saint-8]

I think the biggest revelation from this video is finding out The Beatles is a pun

[@jojjakii2480]

This was a really good watch. After having seen it through the end, you have really nailed it in the intro. When it's good, then it's really good, and when it's bad... yeah. The contrast can be felt especially well, because the good parts just grip you their hands real tightly. Then the bad parts slap you in the face and not in a good way.

[@Nixahma]

1:59:40 Oh, this reminds me of the Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, where you play as a fortune teller who is revealed to actually rewrite the future. Thing is, in the story she 'predicts' the fall of her coven and is exiled. When the other witches find out she basically wrote the end of their community, they get understandably pissed about this and it turns some of your closest friends against you. Sad to see the potential for character conflict is wasted here since pissman is basically r/atheism's wet dream and I imagine some of the villagers might not be pleased he depowered their gods.

[@KittyKatty999]

1:04:49 Maybe the faces remind you of Junpei and "June" from Zero Escape 999?

[@eins2001]

They also have a huge The Silver Case vibe

[@coolrat3816]

I cant fathom just how long it took to put this video together. It might even rival how long it takes to read through the lore dump

[@jambott5520]

Honestly the story would have been SOOOO much better if the gods were just mountain gods, and in order to stop the feast you need to appease them, or exorcise them, you could keep basically the entire start of the game the same but at the turning point with the rich dude you could have them explore the place they do and instead of finding a load of bullshit they find lore about the gods and what they want or something, allowing you to get on your way to stopping the feast from occuring. They had such a cool setup but they decided that they needed an intelligent seeming twist and flung everything they had into a septic tank, not just making everything afterwards shit but also tarnishing everything that came before with shit as well. Bleh. The strength of the writing in this game was never the overarching story, it was the little character interractions. They could have something pretty good, although flawed, if they kept overarching story simple. There are gods, they run the game, to stop the gods you gotta appease them.

[@Callofdeath1997]

just finished you ranting on the MC for 2 hours, cant believe you actually called him "pissman" for 2 hours straight. Great vid thanks for making it! deff subbed!

[@stormyraywaters]

I'm watching this as I fell in love with raging loop to see a new perspective and seeing that all of them were first time VAs I'm absolutely blown away they're all very talented

[@animationlasi482]

Absolutely love listening to people break down complicated visual novels I do not have the time or will to play. Here's hoping you make some more someday!

[@Radishhead]

I'm excited to watch your thoughts on this game: Raging Loop, despite being a huge mess, is a game that's left a genuine impression on me. That's why months after playing it, I happened to type 'Raging Loop' into KZbin and stumbled across this video.

[@Radishhead]

(Having watched the video -- I agree completely; and yet for some reason I still really like the game!)

[@balajik8473]

Yea same here, I really can't get this game out of my mind, I hope there would be a sequel to this.

[@gusbart5856]

Rating Loop ist good and messy. It aint good cause its messy but its still enjoyable and Not in a guilty pleasure way

[@paul_particularlyunhappynut]

hey should i watch this video if i want to experience the game for myself? like are there any big good plot twist?

[@yamatanoorochi3149]

​​​@@paul_particularlyunhappynutah nah don't watch it, it kills the feeling of mysticism that characterizes the game right from the get go, as he is doing a quick run down of all the events of the game, effectively spoiling it Play and then watch

[@ApprenticeNick]

I really enjoyed Raging Loop when I played it, and didn't really mind a lot of the bad writing toward the end. I think it's because there was so much exposition and back-to-back-to-back twists that after a while I stopped thinking about it too hard and started skimming over moments like the weird and abrupt death of the "your enemy" god or the reveal about the Wolf Man.

[@yamatanoorochi3149]

1:27:30 I feel like that's the power of tropes, you feel more caught off guard by the added depth and dimension, it's like a tiny plot twist in your image of a character, and I like that

[@munguschungus4030]

Raging Loop was a good visual novel, up to Act 3. Act 4 is where the answers we were expecting fall flat on their face, especially with the revelation of the village's lore. If anyone IS interested in this novel I recommend you just stop at Act 3 and consider it a sufficient conclusion.

[@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney]

Yeah, that's what I did. Was having the time of my life all the way up to act 3 until I'd finally prepared myself for act 4 - which I had been warned was a slog to get through. But even I, as low as my expectations were, could not have been more prepared for what I had to endure next. Holy shit, that mansion part with Kiyonosuke in that basement made me physically die. For once, I wished that I was Haruaki so that I could loop and stop myself from experiencing that god forsaken lore dump boredom. And now I'm here watching this video instead. Again, it's a good game, but the finale let it down

[@tenkuken7168]

I think it's good if you ignore the flaws

[@SimplyHolisticASMR]

no one can deny that the intro SLAPS, this shit got my hype everytime i would load up the game. god damn the first 5-10 hours were good. So good that i can accept what a mess the ending was. At least Rikako is kind of a yandere.

[@Boomblox5896]

I think people were just turned on by how she and her family actually just has sex with everyone, so they overlook all the bad to see the appealing plot spikes.

[@miagvinjilia]

"This supernatural event can actually be all explained away by technology!" Is my least favourite trope.

[@AniGaAG]

The thing I adored about Umineko - how much it respected your intelligence, silently spreading enough breadcrumbs to let you figure out the entire thing a good two chapters before it ever openly pointed a finger at the truth - is exactly what Raging Loop seems to be doing horribly wrong.

[@jackhou7086]

oh no. I guess you don't know why Umineko was so hated when chapter 7 and 8 first came out......

[@RukaCola]

I feel like we read the wrong story because the goats in chapter 8 pissed alot of people off because it was ryu making fun of the people who tried to solve the story. I used to love wtc but have come to absolutely despise it soley for ryus writing of exponitionism of not being able to stfu and also that he took on too much to finish cico. I still adore raging loop though but I'm biased because I read it with my wife. I didn't find the reveal that bad still wonder why everyone hates it. Gnosia is really good as well if you haven't read it

[@RukaCola]

LMAO THIS @@jackhou7086

[@thiagomiguel4544]

@@jackhou7086 i actually hated a bit those last ones, didnt even finish because of how long it was the chapter 8

[@bobg9]

@@jackhou7086 people suspected shannon=kannon since chapter 2

[@mildly_nita]

this is genuinely one of my fave videos of all time i dont even play visual novels but i’m on my 3d watch of this omg it’s so entertaining

[@oux3456]

I played this game in 3 weeks, I really appreciated it, even with its flaws. A simple but good and varied cast almost like Zero Escape. I think that Raging Loops does better the "go futher with the memories of another route". Probs to Kemko btw

[@JohnSmith_.]

One thing that makes no sense about the game is how, if the roles are all random, why does being suspicious before everything goes down matter? Why does it matter that Piss-man is suspicious for being in the village if being a wolf has no bearing on prior events?

[@shadowangel6359]

The answer: Small-town xenophobia

[@yikaii]

Again, professional level quality videos with an underrated amount of views. The youtube algorithm is disappointing me once again. I had to find this video from my notifications rather than recommended

[@superg6787]

I bet it will get more views in the future. Just wait 😌

[@maelis9573]

Professional level quality video? Dude is just saying the plot of the VN from start to finish but in 2 hours except for 10 or however long the VN is.

[@yikaii]

@@maelis9573 It takes time to decide what game to make a video on, play the game, script the video, record the script, cut the clips, edit the video, add music and make a thumbnail. I enjoy this content and feel its pretty high quality. It probably takes a lot of time to make. It’s better than the trash you upload on your channel. If you dont like the video, click off. Why tf would you go to the comments and talk shit

[@mohammadabuqubu7079]

@@maelis9573 Also, this game is too long for it's sake. So 2 hours instead of 40 hours or so is definitely worth it.

[@Madame_Talos]

Okay.. like... They already set up the whole gods thing. Why did the explanation have to be that it was all an elaborate ruse, but then also keep all the gods??? It feels like they just wanted the best of both worlds and got the worst of both instead.

[@markusbarten455]

Ok so spoilers: the final twist that the MC can make the supernatural disappear from reality by finding an rational explanation for what's going on is a pretty good premise. Althoug not one that should come up at the very end of a story never to be picked up again.

[@Bunni89]

It bugs me how much this twist COULD have been used to make the abrupt ending actually make sense and still feel like the protagonist accomplished something. Instead of the little girl abruptly destroying the spider god with never before revealed superpowers and only finding it out in Revelation mode, have the protag give out some kind of big dramatic explanation of how the spider god was totally fake, which erases it from existance. The ending could still have a mysterious aspect that encourages you to play Revelation mode, cos you've got the villain being like "wtf no that wasn't my plan at all, of course the spider god is real- wait WHAT" as it spontaneously disintegrates. Then either have revelation mode immediately reveal the protag's "making the irrational rational" power right at the start of even have the regular ending tease it after the credits. Then add more scenes in Revelation mode of him accidentally using his power throughout the story and you'd have an interesting hook to read through! You'd not only be getting all the other characters's perspectives but also unpacking what the supernatural plot REALLY was before he defeated it. (Maybe even could have the whole "it's just cameras and electric locks" thing be false too and there really was magic to it.) It would be an interesting idea of a game having two concurrent plot twists both happening and our hero has no clue he changed which one became canon. And idk, could leave off on an interesting sequel hook to wanna maybe see a game next time where he solves some other mystery now fully aware of his power and actively trying to battle the supernatural with normality! Lotta potential here, shame it's completely wasted...

[@trustytrest]

The pinnacle of bad fiction is having a legitimately decent idea and then shoving it into the tail end of a story as a shocking plot twist, ruining any chance for that idea to actually develop and expand upon. It usually also ruins the entire story leading up to it, since all the potential that had is thrown out the window since it was all a ruse leading up to The Twist.

[@bestaround3323]

Please edit your comment so you need to tap "read more" to see the spoiler. As you are literally the top result and spoiled me of no fault of my own

[@markusbarten455]

@@bestaround3323 better?

[@bestaround3323]

@@markusbarten455 much, thanks

[@statesminds]

Raging Loop does get messy but I love this game. Amphibian is a pretty creative writer imo even if he gets bogged down sometimes. Also the ost is a banger

[@BxastOfPrxy]

27:40 the music being louder than the voice acting could also be on purpose. When I read that I thought they would create the illusion of the characters being further away. I imagined Takumi talking from the distance when i came across this part. 29:30 the nintendo switch version does not have that UI problem. It is a lot more fluent and navigating through the cart was a breeze. 38:00 I do like the little drama between the characters tho. 1:20:00 yeah if you never watch the hint corner it really is coming out of nowhere. And that big monster in the background is a little extreme and was unnecessary. But the big monster works better with one of the secret endings. 1:31:00 That you picked that up is pretty amazing, i did not know why it was happening. I wish they had more baclgrounds as well. 1:33:40 that was a little dissapointing. I was vibing with the surrealistic logic 1:36:46 i love the sheep, the dialouges with her were always one of my favourites. Mayby thats just a me thing. But I do see the problem with the Sheeps plot connection 1:55:30 actaully really enjoyed this part. The character interaction was pretty entertaining. But I also wonder why the devs would hide the information that the cashier is the his gf. I agree with you for the most part. The game gets a little crazy towards the end. Did you find the secret endings? If you go into the gallery you should notice that you are missing 2 Backgrounds. If you want see to the secret endings this is the way: 1st secret ending: -> 6. Darkness -> Q: Answer God -> Lets get hitched 2nd secret ending -> 6. Darkness Q. Despair -> On second thought

[@Neremworld]

Your mention of Fatal Twelve delighted me, because I worked on that game, and it’s one of my favorite death game stories.

[@sensifacient]

You did!? I loved it! It was one of my favorite games that year, and I was so glad to have bought it!

[@Neremworld]

@@sensifacient I did bugtesting and editting on the script, so I had a minor role that involved having to play the entire thing a lot, so I was happy it was such a good game.

[@Troyless]

I dropped the game right after getting the "True Ending" and didn't touch Revelation Mode. At the time, I thought I was missing on a lot of interesting plot elements and tie-ins, so thank you for the closure

[@maxmustermann9058]

It's a wild ride which nails both being funny and thrilling, but the plot and characters do not hold up under too much scrutiny. The post-finale content is a ton of fun too. Coupled with great art and good music it's worth it for just about anyone going in with the right expectations.

[@maximumspooks1572]

This is just a beyond in depth analysis of what would be a completely unknown game to me, and I really enjoyed your interpretation of the story up until the plot of the game drove off a cliff, really love this kind of stuff!

[@Argonisgema]

So we just gonna skip the parts where it was proven that there was some eldritch monster that DOES exist then right after that we find out that the whole thing was some elaborate plot by some family that uses all these technologies to mimic some local legend about some killing game?

[@ogto]

i enjoyed the game overall as a schlocky soap-opera style adventure mystery with some good characters and fun/outlandish twists. mostly it felt like a game struggling with overambition and limited resources, but i could excuse the rough edges for the stuff that hit. the chiemi relationship worked for me and i think i had more fun experiencing the story than the actual story's quality. the haru romance was gratuitous but at least it made sense in a "i'm a bad guy now so romancing a teen/god is in character", and at least the redherring romances didn't take up that much time (relatively speaking). charming pulpy story that often drags. enjoyed your analysis!

[@roseyoung44]

Wait, so Rikako assaulted all of them? ALL OF THEM?? THE OLD WOMAN? THE OLD WOLF MAN?? THE MIDDLE SCHOOLERS??? What the fuck were the writers smoking there? Why is no one in the comments talking about how absolutely INSANE that is??

[@twilightvulpine]

So... This was a whole supernatural event with gods meddling with reality, but because Piss-Man decided it was a conspiracy from old families, all the supernatural elements were erased, even though he needed to be revived several times to get to that point? I hate Piss-Man.

[@bepisthescienceman4202]

That's objectively kinda bad writing cause nothing matters until piss man comes to his conclusion

[@DeathkaiserG]

I think the only the supernatural that was erased is the village method's of killing. The evil spider was still there and it had to be weakened by unbelief. The Kid's black goat was the one who killed the spider. It just happened that he unconciously make it actually "not real" due to his power.

[@grandbean9031]

The cashier being the sheep must have been inspired by the gas station lady being the main bad guy in Persona 4.

[@ShuraEssays]

With all the nods to Umineko in this video it brings me great joy to know we will have a video on the myth itself sometime in the next decade, thank you for your service. in advance.

[@VampireCake78]

1:59:04 ...so Harukai is an SCP reality bender and the sheep works for the Foundation? :P

[@UniGya]

Okay but the fact that Pissman may or may not be warping reality and that's why the "rational" explanation is so convoluted is the funniest plot twist I've ever seen

[@wompadillœ]

Y’know what, that’s an excellent way to look at it actually

[@TheShinigami244]

a lot of japanese games really believe in " no child left behind" when it come to handolding their story teliing

[@darthcass1210]

Thank you for this video. When I played Raging Loop I thought I was insane for finding the ending bad and underwhelming and not liking so many elements of it. Admittedly some of my problems were subjective (such as me not caring about any of the characters except Chiemi and Haru because no one else was really written well enough from my perspective for me to uhhhh care) but pretty much all the other problems were the same ones you had. Especially about the ending. I mean people can like whatever and I have nothing against raging loop fans but once I finished all of raging loop (including revelation mode AND the side stories) I was just like feeling like "huh I kinda wish I never spent money to play this, it's not...very good" I love that you compared it to umineko because I kept comparing it to the other well known when they cry property Higurashi. It's got a spooky village setting, there's some head family politic stuff, there's some paranoia, there's a "is this people or is this fantasy" thing going on. And in every instance Higurashi is just the better story, probably because its mystery isn't necessarily the main focus - the characters and its theme of "don't just bottle things up, talk to people" are and that's why higurashi is the superior story. Because most of the characters in Raging Loop just are bland to serve the plot and I'm not really sure what Raging's Loop's theme is beyond "what if werewolf were real, would that be messed up or what?" Great video I am definitely subscribing

[@hanaerman2882]

24 years... and only NOW do I know the Beatles name was a PUN

[@cachachiloteta]

(I still haven’t finish watching the video) Actually Mochi even thou seem very random character, in the Werewolf game there’s another job that a villager can get, and that one is the ‘Fool’, the one job that can allow the villager to,say whatever they want at any time without any consequences after they’re discovered that they’re the ‘fool’ when announced they should have died by the wolfs. But because they a fool they become obsolete when it comes for voting people out. They can even talk at night. Just something to remember. Maybe Mochi represent that job.

[@donkylefernandez4680]

Pissman is Haruhi Suzumiya is not a good twist because like all of the twists in the game; none of them matter. The game is "notice this thing? wouldn't it be cool if it was actually relevant later?" except it's not actually relevant and the main story got resolved in another country. "Isn't it weird the Chiemi shoots herself in the *ing head? She's a spoiler!" "How's that relevant?" "She's the love interest! :D"

[@fortidogi8620]

I love when mysteries decide that the big twist should be that every supernatural gimmick was actually rational and scientific, except for the Big Twist which is exactly supernatural.

[@NotSoMelancholy]

The feast being man made feels like such a weird cop out. They could’ve justified as being occult/folk lore related still and I don’t think we would’ve lost anything of value, even taking into consideration the pissman getting shot scene. Like they’ve already established magic is a thing in universe, why’d they get so hung up on the feast being man made when even just “they pray or do some ceremony to make the feast happen” would’ve been just as sufficient

[@sensha5470]

Why do these timeloop stories have a weird fetish for not knowing when to end? Like imagine if it ended with the wolf victory, and with leaving the village all depressed (maybe even a final choice whether to selfend or not for a good ol 'split ending') It wouldn't have been perfect, but it woulda been a solid chunk better. When something leaves a mystery unsolved, it's the fans that create a way better answer than you ever could.

[@amariwilliams3136]

Wait why is Haru wanting to lop off a leg from one of the wolves so crazy? Like they're literally wolves, they tried to kill everyone in the room, am I missing something?

[@julianshadez]

Firstly let me applaud the effort put into this video, it's amazing really. I've finished the game and was looking for something like this, I did not have the patience to do it all again just to find the extra tidbits in that revelation mode. I really enjoyed the first part of the game but as the 3rd feast went on it just slowly lost me. The constant lore over lore dumps really wore me out as it neared the end. What I really expected is some sort of reveal of the main character, he can't be just an ordinary dude can he? I see now that they tried to cover that in the extra stories but yeah, feels like it was something added after the fact to fill the fact that he was just an average joe stumbling into something?

[@apleb7605]

I think the writers were like “wow, Higurashi is such a cool story, we should make something like that”.

[@TheXell]

"We have Umineko at home." Umineko at home:

[@hobisoon]

When I got through the second part of the game, I started calling it bootkeg/Walmart higurashi lol

[@CursedCatTruffa]

It does feel like the poor man's version of Umineko

[@gabrielraposo1466]

They already have kaiju gods and time travelling, why did they have to go out on their way to explain the rules of the game logically?? It just feels like a weird twist to get at that point of the story