Dave’s rapid response to your request is phenomenal. What an assistant! You are blessed to have Dave.
@Gizmo42Rodeo6 ай бұрын
What a difference a Dave makes. I'm also a Dave
@jimmymcclendon62106 ай бұрын
Sounds exactly something Dave would say.....
@confuse36716 ай бұрын
1) it's a crush sleeve, not crush washer. 2) That is not a limited slip differential, that is an open diff. Those "clutch packs" are actually shims. 3) Yeah, someone over tightened the pinion. The races are probably not smooth anymore. I had one that actually cracked the race. Snap on makes special punches to get at the races - highly recommended (under the category - the right tool saves you lots of time). 4) I've never seen diff fluid look so much like water and have soap bubbles in it... That's supposed to be 90 weight??? How hot is it in Florida? New bearings should be set for 25 in-lbs drag torque. That includes the side bearings.... There is no way a diff should have fallen out like it did. Recommend you install the diff without the pinion, set the side pre-load, then install the pinion. I would also check the backlash and pattern just to be sure. Someone's been in there. Tapered bearings are supposed to have pre-load to survive. I like getting differential parts from Tom's Differentials. When Tom still owned it he gave me lots of advice on my first differential rebuild and gear swap after I messed up the first set of gears (I was too loose on the backlash). I would also recommend getting the GM gear marking compound. It is yellow, contrasts nicely with the black metal parts. Heck, by an install kit from Tom's. I think all of them are Timkin, made in USA bearings. BTW, are the side shims under the bearings? Is that a Dana? I hate Dana's for that reason alone. Give me a GM any day over a Dana. I know Dana 60s require pinion spreaders to make your life easier - but they are expensive. See OTC. BTW, before I did my own rear end work, I found offroad and 4x4 shops were the most economical way to do it. Those guys did gear swaps day in / day out and it was something like $500 / axle. Now a days, the gears alone would probably cost that. Sorry for the long response
@gregjohnson20736 ай бұрын
Maybe he torqued it to 25 ft lbs.
@HANZELVANDERLAAY4 ай бұрын
We used to over shim our spider gears on our oval track cars...limited slip wasn't allow..but Xtra tight shims were
@bearing_aficionado6 ай бұрын
Oh hell yeah! As The official bearing aficionado of this channel, I wholeheartedly endorse bearing videos!
@yesyes5416 ай бұрын
Grin and Bearing it
@jerryc30506 ай бұрын
I saw what you did.
@ChromaKeyMystress6 ай бұрын
I've been laughing and giggling since the noise started. HOLY COW!!!!
@thethirdrail83976 ай бұрын
I have heard louder - Back in the 90's when we had the 84 dodge caravan, a bearing went bad and you want to hear loud while on the Hiway... us 94 from MPLS mn headed west back to north dakota... heck that was louder than this! the Wheel bearing went! I think this was in 1995! we no longer have the van! Thank god for that!
@julesballe4635 ай бұрын
I worked for a car sales office, had a chevy van with howling rear end. Dealer wanted 1600, Firestone did it for 600, I went to the shop to check it out, parts everywhere on two tables !! Mechanic laughed at my moment of panic. 3 hours later, full bearing refit, I drove it, quiet as a kitten, amazing, 😅❤
@golf25radioman6 ай бұрын
Your theory of someone putting incorrect preload/tightness on the pinion may be it. I thought there was way too much backlash, which could be related to that. A full bearing overhaul, and limited slip too if the owner approves may be the ticket. I look forward to the followup video. Thanks for another great video. 😊
@scottreed9916 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. Preload on crush washer. Pinion bearing too loose. Peace.
@Ronskutin6 ай бұрын
Thumb up for Dave! He is excelent mechanic like Ray, hard working and always happy. He is keeper for sure. I salute you, sir!
@otissmith70576 ай бұрын
That proctologist snap of the glove when you had to 'go deep' for the retaining clips got me.
@ZachReifsnider6 ай бұрын
The foaming oil is from the oil moving in the diff. Banks has a video for their cover and it explains it.
@vivalibre3 ай бұрын
Ray, I appreciate the science fiction scene transition audio. One of many reasons why your channel hits.
@1crustyoldmsgtretired8706 ай бұрын
OOF that one is a growler! I think what happened was someone replaced the pinion seal and smoked the nut on without thinking about the preload on the pinion bearings.
@kensharp74724 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing knowledge on how to pinpoint problems. 80 years old and still trying to get more smarts. Hug our girl. Thanks
@realcdcruze35586 ай бұрын
That familiar bearing helicopter sound.
@benrandomly20166 ай бұрын
Looking at those back tires and weirdness with the pinion bearings, I bet a kid has been out doing power brake burnouts. I use to see this a lot in the 1990s in V8 cars from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I hope you get this job for a full rebuild.
@polygon-viewer6 ай бұрын
3 minutes in, and my jaw is on the floor....I've never heard a bearing that loud in my life, and I live in St. Louis, where car maintenance is fix it when something falls off.
@ken2tou6 ай бұрын
Yup. Sounds like the bearings are made of sandpaper. 😅
@justin.gollnick6 ай бұрын
im wondering if somehow the noise rapidly got to that point, of if the owner is REALLY good at drowning out expensive sounds haha
@stanbrown54256 ай бұрын
270 junkyard specials
@johnt.8486 ай бұрын
Ray bravely drove it further down the road than I would have dared.
@davidmollard98326 ай бұрын
Hey not everyone, my vehicles are very well cared for here in Arnold
@ryancase87446 ай бұрын
anyone else watching the truck in drive on the lift going down secretly think "what if the lift failed and the truck went sailing through the back of the shop" that would make the highlight reel for sure. Love the knowledge and commentary from Ray!
@tomtke73516 ай бұрын
I kinda agree that this test is best accomplished with another in the driver's seat.
@MarkEdmond-gw9lz6 ай бұрын
In
@garyh79496 ай бұрын
That thought did cross my mind.
@Jay.Kellett6 ай бұрын
"Let's put this down." Wheels still in drive. Not a good idea I'm thinking.
@lookin4246 ай бұрын
I have driveshaft banging with slop between forward and reverse shifts that I've isolated to the rear end as well as a high speed vibration. I need to takle this same rear. Glad to see the job before hand. I will be Closely taking pointers on the part 2 reassemble. Thanks Ray
@bobherweg64426 ай бұрын
Sounds like rear universal.
@michaelpressman72036 ай бұрын
@@bobherweg6442check the universals first
@lookin4246 ай бұрын
@@bobherweg6442 I replaced the drive shaft it is all brand new. It did help, but the vibration is still there. New tires and freshly balanced. Alignment was checked and redone all good. With the drive shaft disconnected from the rear end there is a notable amount of play moving the pinion flange forward and backwards and all of the drive shaft play that I can feel in the shifter goes away I cannot move the drive shaft at all connected into the transmission so there is no play in the four-wheel drive or transmission once disconnected from the rear end. Last thing I need to do having done all of that is to crack open the rear end. I think I have a broken bearing race or cage in the pinion part of the rear end assembly
@TimSwannell6 ай бұрын
When you show the close up of the bearing race at 24.04 you can see it has ridges in it; the rollers falling into these grooves is what is causing the noise, essentially cogging. It could be an under hardened race or it could have been someone putting way too much preload on the bearing (its probably a combination of the both)
@wolfpreist6 ай бұрын
may favorite use for used newish oil is drill bit lubrication
@peterwill36996 ай бұрын
And used transmission oil makes a grate winter rust prevention up north.
@armedfarm34295 ай бұрын
Newish gear lube goes in a container, when needed I dump it in another container, when the metal fuzz separates from the good oil on top, I REUSE IT! 🤩
@Paramount5316 ай бұрын
Great video! I haven't done much differential stuff, only one has ever failed me on a Pinto station wagon in the early 80s. A $75 used rear axle at the wrecking yard solved that one.
@michaelpressman72036 ай бұрын
Blown up u-joints,yokes and blew a spider gear threw the rear end housing 😢
@DanielJohnson-ec8rk6 ай бұрын
Brave man to admit to owning a Pinto
@DocZoidberg5496 ай бұрын
@@DanielJohnson-ec8rkMy first car was a sh*t green pinto wagon. It was the 70's and I was so happy to have transportation. It wasn't like today with spoiled kids that don't appreciate what they have.
@DanielJohnson-ec8rk6 ай бұрын
@@DocZoidberg549 when I was 17 I bought an 82 Trans am. This was about 1989. My insurance was $300 a month for bare Minimum liability. After 6 months of paying for insurance, I traded it straight across with my mom’s mechanic for an AMC Pacer. Yes, it’s true. Now that car was embarrassing but cheap and reliable
@rickydonahue15866 ай бұрын
Like Sleeper Dude says you always want to check your rear end because no one else is going to do it for you!👍
@dnclark796 ай бұрын
Following up on a previous comment I made about Dave being quoet and that is why I like him as part of your channel. Back in the days before your own shop, there was a video where you changed a compressor on a ford van. One of your coworkers came to tell you to make sure to have the bolts in the compressor when reinstalling for the clearance. I am sure that mechanic was trying to be helpful, and social. Or at least trying to get through the day. Dave is recognizably skilled. When he helps you out, he makes sure he understands what help is needed, and doesn't try to one-up you
@olddrummer19426 ай бұрын
Dave probably quiet because he can't get a word in over Ray's talking!! LOL. (Just Jokin' folks)
@abitoffcenter3836 ай бұрын
Yeah, I have an f150 and it sounded very similar to what that one did. I took it apart and things didn't look to bad. But I could tell that at some point the pinion nut had been over tightened. You could really see it on the races. I think they were trying to compensate for an incorrect spacing between the pinion and ring gears. Since I was unsure about what all had been done to it. I just rebuilt the whole thing. I've had no worries since then. Although every once in a while I'll hear a high pitch clicking. Sounds like a U-joint to me. But the odd thing is that it just comes and goes. I can't seem to find a reoccurring situation that would making it happen. It's just completely random and goes away as quickly as it shows up. But, it is a Ford. Fix Or Repair Daily 😕🤦♂
@robertsturtevant61856 ай бұрын
Rather fix or repair daily, before I’m found on road dead…..😂😂
@tomtke73516 ай бұрын
FORD has been around a long long time... so never forget: First On Race Day.
@stevemccauley57346 ай бұрын
@@tomtke7351first on race day. Last to the finish line lol. F****ing old rebuilt dodge.
@ElitePraetorianGuard6 ай бұрын
@@tomtke7351 First On Race Day.... More like Fucked On Race Day! Just kidding, I have no hate for Fords.
@elvism6846 ай бұрын
Check the U-Joints if you think they are going bad. A broken U-Joint could lead to a cracked transmission case, transfer case and possibly bent driveshaft/ears or worse.
@ryburnsjr6 ай бұрын
Baseball cards in the spokes
@Michael-yi4mc6 ай бұрын
Poker card is better since it’s laminated
@GlossyLakeКүн бұрын
I literally just went through the same thing on my 05 f 150. Starting hearing a little bit of a whine after I changed the pinion seal, took the whole diff apart thinking I toasted some bearings but everything looked good (much better than the diff in this video) and I put everything back together. Set preload torque to 15 in/lbs with the used crush sleeve. It went back together fine and there’s still a little bit of a whine… thinking I’ll open it back up and put a new crush sleeve at some point.
@jackbowman47886 ай бұрын
Morning Ray- I got nervous when you were under that truck with the engine in gear ! Just me I guess !
@1jackvalley5806 ай бұрын
Nope, You were not the only oneJack
@williameldridge93826 ай бұрын
Then you fundamentally don't understand physics.
@kennybaumann21176 ай бұрын
@@williameldridge9382Well I guess I don't fundamentally understand physics either so please explain how they are applicable in this scenario.
@alanclarke25246 ай бұрын
No. Not just you, but I was more concerned as he lowered the truck towards the ground with the driving wheels still powered.
@kennybaumann21176 ай бұрын
@@alanclarke2524 Me too I that's why I asked @williameldridge9382 why he responded we don't understand physics because of our concerns. He has yet to respond so must be a keyboard troll.
@westvideo6 ай бұрын
Dave's new nickname will be Radar
@seamasrigh21626 ай бұрын
"Hey! It's that guy." That was IMPRESSIVE.
@johnt.8486 ай бұрын
Wrong channel. 🤣
@tc4106 ай бұрын
That thing sounds like an air raid siren!
@billwhite51882 ай бұрын
Ray and Lauren. Im baaaack. Have been sick with long haul covid for 2 years 10 months so laying really low. Missex you guys but im gwtring some betrer and loving how Ray diagnosis so very well. Trust your home was safe through Helene's fury.
@MarkWatson-xi1ry6 ай бұрын
Limited slip? I don't see any springs or clutch plates, also there was no tag on the cover bolt to use special additive.
@DaveLee836 ай бұрын
holy moly there's space in the yard. Could do all sorts of activities in there now.
@rjc8620036 ай бұрын
the soft preload on the limited slip clutch sprags would be enough to prevent diff action without any load on it
@SuperBighead19736 ай бұрын
I’ve been a fan of the Axel Saver Bearings anytime I’ve ever had to work on a rear end. An Axel Saver is built the same as a regular bearing, except they’re wider (double thick). It allowas you to keep an axle that otherwise would have to be replaced. If you’re working on a budget, they are lifesavers.
@RobH.6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Michael-yi4mc6 ай бұрын
Ray spinning the axle with a drill is every mechanic’s second childhood dream. Including myself!
@shadetreemech2906 ай бұрын
Yeah, I liked that too.
@robertsturtevant61856 ай бұрын
Okay, for a Friday I laughed too hard at the glove being put on….. 😂😂😂😂
@joedirt764014 күн бұрын
When Inspecting tapered roller bearings, always look at the inner races through the gaps after a solvent rinse…that is where the damage will show first and the worst. Inspecting the rollers only on the outside of the rollers and the outer races falls short of an effective inspection….but, in this case it’s pretty obvious that it needed pinion bearings.
@kirk10656 ай бұрын
As a diff. tech for many years it's my opinion you should look at replacing ring and pinion with the bearings it will make noise if you don't
@wilbilt6 ай бұрын
It looks like that ring and pinion are toast, especially the wear at the outer edges. Slamming around with that much backlash likely did them in.
@kirk10656 ай бұрын
@@wilbilt 👍
@dudebud725 ай бұрын
I did both axle bearings, carrier, Eaton locker with serviceable U joints. My Denali had one end of a u joint hanging and I didn’t realize it. It destroyed my G80, every bearing and the pinion gear looked like a pencil fresh out of the sharpener.
@gmoffat706 ай бұрын
It is a very common problem. I had a 2008 that did the same. They were originally recalled. If noise just started it can be shimmed. It's just the gear alignment. Even when parts look perfect. I had to get all new rear end parts from driveshaft yolk to inner wheel bearings.
@fanofoldfans92386 ай бұрын
I think it's the inner pinion bearing race. just an observation. I agree rebuild the whole rear end or put a used one in it. Great troubleshooting method.
@petethefat26146 ай бұрын
I’d have to agree with you ray. The rear end in this ford is super finicky and if someone torqued it down too much it will make that sound.
@williamsquires30706 ай бұрын
“It’s ‘limited slip’ only until you spill lubricant on the shop floor. Then it’s ’unlimited slip’!” 😅
@ChrisLincolnHomes6 ай бұрын
"Using the whole fist there doc?"-Fletch lol
@stevemccauley57346 ай бұрын
Best movie EVER
@Wartai6 ай бұрын
When you drove off with that Helicopter sound, you drove it further than I would have ... I was waiting for the diff to explode
@garywalstrom26036 ай бұрын
I would start looking for recycling yard replacement part.
@marksmith-ew7ir6 ай бұрын
I have seen you put new bearings in axels and you have said set the correct tension on bearings to gain the uneven wear not to shorten the life .
@douglaswilliams57945 ай бұрын
Thanks for good vid…your tear down convinced me to do all my bearings and seals on the rear end in the fall. I found a weeping seal that likely caused the differential to lose fluid
@JRS-iq9pz6 ай бұрын
Interesting. Can't wait to see the rebuild.
@purplecouple4773 ай бұрын
MAN!! That noise made my ears ring! And through the video no less.
@catherinemorgan27416 ай бұрын
Good Day Ray and hi to Dave
@timcarlyle1476 ай бұрын
my brother had same issue 3 week ago ford f 250 found bearings were bit tapered customer did rebuild come out great
@MarkJones-n5 ай бұрын
One of the best looking F-150 models ever produced. That one is in great shape and still worth $10k.
@garypillischafske14256 ай бұрын
I believe you are correct. The adjustments had been tinkered with for those bearings, causing a lot of stress in that diff. Good catch!
@jamesmoore71066 ай бұрын
Hey, you can mix that with a little bit of regular drain oil and use it for chain lube on your chainsaw. I’ve been doing that for years.
@mikelococo32546 ай бұрын
Just had mine replaced last month same noise. New diff and bearings all around. Worked great did complete break in procedure. 3500 miles later same whining. Going back to shop tomorrow.
@raybrensike424 ай бұрын
Good to know, that there could be that kind of pressure on pinion bearings without any real obvious damage to the bearings or races. That pinion was supposed to turn with only a few inch pounds.
@patricknesbitt40036 ай бұрын
I remember replacing front wheel bearings on a Plymouth Horizon where the owner's son rode the brakes for 2 miles coming down a mountain heating the rotors to the point where they turned blue and cooked the grease in both bearings. Test driving the car produced a noise that sounded like a twin engine Cessna flying 10 feet over the car.
@RAYROTHSTEIN666 ай бұрын
Those dark lines on the outter races on the pinion bearings are the cause of the noise. It's like little divits the bearing has to roll over.
@Michael-yi4mc6 ай бұрын
I had a 1978 Dodge Aspen with locking diff. A special additive fluid , four ounces)was required to be added to the differential to quiet the clutch packs in it.
@bblod48966 ай бұрын
I'd replace all the bearings since it's already apart and perhaps the clutch (friction ) plates if the wrong differential lubricant was used. Looking forward to part II.
@CatsMeowington6 ай бұрын
"I need a little bit of protection for reaching deep into the rear", and upon reassembly, we recommend a tube or two of Desitin be applied to the affected area of noise, I know it works for me!
@charleskadletc24316 ай бұрын
Good honest work.
@robames12936 ай бұрын
When I first heard the noise when you were driving it sounded similar to UJ noises, possible the tone relative to road speed. I didn't think of pinion bearings though.
@bobbg90416 ай бұрын
It really sounded like the pion was slipping I'm surprised it didn't chew them up. If it was mine I'd take this time to do a full rebuild and upgrade to the way he drives either speed or power like you did on the Jeeps. He can always sell the used parts as a set.
@fleece1926 ай бұрын
Good video, always learning stuff. On what to do.. and not to do. Like filming under a running vehicle 🚗
@garypatton97206 ай бұрын
Hi Ray. Those Ford 8.8's have been known to have their pinion nuts loosen up all by themselves and they can make that horrible noise even if the bearings still look good. That's why they recommend to use a new pinion nut with red thread locker upon reassembly. That doesn't explain a resistance to turning freely though ...
@robertrobbins54566 ай бұрын
I had an 88 Camaro did the same thing and we thought it was the transmission but the driveshaft echoed the noise back to the rear end. I put three different trans in until we finally looked at the rear. Took the back cover off the rear and pieces parts fell out...
@CedroCron6 ай бұрын
Good call, I'd rebuild it so you can stand behind it. It's only going to serve the customer into the future anyway so might as well do it right the first time and then forget about it. Also Amsoil Severe Gear will do a great job in this Rear-End.
@Papieck376 ай бұрын
Had the same issue 2 times with my 1988 E30 325is BMW.... Ended up doing a complete rear diff overhaul.
@lawrencecavens57606 ай бұрын
I think you missed the noise - To me it sounded like the back lash was Way to Way out of adjustment and if you look closely to the ring gear at the outer tip the pinion wasn't set right and was extremely loose. Bearings don't sound like that They just growel
@brianwheldon71776 ай бұрын
Ray I think if you break the bearing cage and with the rollers out of the way ill bet there is damage to the inner race surface hardening, there seem to be to much noise in there to be just a preload issue.
@Hobotraveler826 ай бұрын
Like to see another part. For some odd reason this truck fascinates me. Been enjoying watching the videos on it. Of course, all your videos i find fascinating. Great job. 😊❤
@edwardmoody4253Ай бұрын
Thata good for the rear transmission seal letting the driveshaft hang like that!
@MikeBrown-hd3btАй бұрын
really cool how you used a microphone for the viewers
@stillraven94156 ай бұрын
I dont know what you did but the only time o heard any difference at all was right at the diff cover
@squiggyg.84156 ай бұрын
I noticed I was holding my breath when he was lowering the truck 😎
@johnangelico6676 ай бұрын
That is the loudest rear end I have heard on or off the road!!
@ourfarmhouseinspain5 ай бұрын
I'm sure I used to have a toy car that made a whirring noise just like that. Thanks for the memory Ray ......
@delantel66896 ай бұрын
Waiting for part 2
@rawkfist-ih6nk5 ай бұрын
Really nice to learn from watching someone else work. Thanks for the edumication. KZbin has been sucking lately tho, like 4 times while I was watching this video, it kept taking me to another video or stopping the sound or restarting the whole video.
@scotanderson68574 ай бұрын
My phone does that..
@petermccoll4696 ай бұрын
rear differential rebuild looks like the way to go
@rayvarnson89766 ай бұрын
When you talk about tapered roller bearings, the bearing set is known a cup and cone. I only know this as I worked in a bearing house then a electric motor shop. Just for your information.
@edwardrobb46826 ай бұрын
This rear has allot of problems . My first thought as the pinion bearings . But because of the miles and the problem with those clutches , I would just replace that center unit with a good used one or a new one . But it’s up to the owner . Your very good at rear ends so I am certain that you will handle this very well for the owner .
@thevideoscrutinizer83126 ай бұрын
I watch all the time. When you pulled into the shop today I didn't see your sign for the shop! Give a look at it when you get a chance. 😊
@kennyG77476 ай бұрын
Same rear-end as my 2003 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7. Mine started whining bad at 243K. Sounded just like this except no play. The siren was running! It was the large pinion bearing race failed. It was quite pitted and pieces flaked off. Bearings weren't that bad. Had to clean all the metal flakes from the entire axle. Replaced all bearing, races and seals as Ray is doing here. Installed a Truetrac unit and did not deal with the crush sleeve but instead utilized one of the kits that has shims. Took a little trial and error but got it all perfect. Now 10K later and still perfect. Nice thing about Truetrac is that it has no clutches to wear out as the clutches on mine were worn out. New trucks are too expensive so I invest in mine for the future. Compared bad race to pictures on internet and clearly showed that it was metal fatigue from the miles of use.
@raymondkidwell23386 ай бұрын
A limited slip differential will spin both wheels when both of them are off the ground with no pressure on neither one of them. This carrier has no issues, no need to replace it.
@robertrpenny4 ай бұрын
My small gm truck started making loud screaming noise with oem fluid at about 110k km. Inside Pinion bearing had some scoring like debris was going through it. Im thinking it had metal machining debris left in it the factory. Should have changed the fluid at 5k km when new. But owners manual said no service ever reqd under normal use. I dont read owners manuals any more.
@akaltenbach6 ай бұрын
Some ford trucks require a friction modifier addative in the diff, along with the gear oil . Without the addative it can cause damage and noise.
@MatthewBekker6 ай бұрын
Remembered once you showed tires ok if i was owner would be a complete rebuild and probably replace the whole dif unit may be some upgrades will doing it id want to really check where the bearings are running on the axle and where the seals sit
@XENONEOMORPH19796 ай бұрын
new parts kills the doubt and fresh parts.
@ta61cnc4 ай бұрын
I am just a diy mechanic but I can’t see this being a limited slip. Those I think are just side gear thrust washers- not clutches. Looks like you are on the right track-replacing bearings and getting the correct pre-load.
@philsonnenberg60926 ай бұрын
Least of your worries with that year F150. Pretty sure that thing is part of the recall that is due to the trans downshifting to first at any speed. Quality UAW made vehicle!
@ralphedds16 ай бұрын
Once I saw the tires, I remembered the truck.
@daveanderson28656 ай бұрын
Full bearing rebuild is in order if the owner is going to keep truck. Otherwise, minimum replacement.
@btwbrand6 ай бұрын
I'm doing this on a 2004 tomorrow. Truck has 114K miles. The noise is almost as loud as this. Owner did not complain one bit about it.
@tsimpson0076 ай бұрын
Love that bearing noise. Ray I hope you and the wife unit are doing well.
@timanglin896 ай бұрын
Dang man, your shop sure has come a long way. It’s looks great!!