RAM 2500 HEMI ZF 8 Speed Towing Up 6% Grade With Real World MPG: This Out Towed The Ford 7.3L Gas V8

[@panthermartin7784]

Have a good friend that owns a Napa store, he tells me he has a trending group of repeat customers that have gone back to HD gas trucks, something as simple as an oil change is saving them money and grief. If your really going to be honest with yourself most customers make due with a gas truck while avoiding modern emissions heartaches. Love the gas truck reviews!

[@Kanakid]

Agree! I purchased a 2024 PW. Love the 6.4 Hemi.

[@M_dot202]

If you actually do the math, the choice to go with a gasser is clear. The only exception is heavy and/or frequent towing.

[@keithhall4009]

I bought my GMC 3500HD gasser, for exactly this reason. Lots of folks I know are making the same choice due to both the additional expense on purchase and maintenance. The new 10 speeds helps a lot with towing.

[@T410ce]

The modern hemi is one of the best V8’s ever made. With regular oil changes it is durable and they just pull. The ZF-8 speed is an absolute wonder of a trans, incredibly durable and reliable… Having worked as a Dodge tech for 14 years up until 2014 I can definitely see how Dodge / Ram quality has increased drastically over the years; no clue how people can be hating on Ram like they do…

[@jeffs2809]

I had every intention of buying an either a Ram hd with 6.4/8 spd or a 1500 Hemi/8 spd as a second vehicle. Doing research on both in forums and facebook groups, patterns began appearing. First, it’s a crap shoot whether a 6.4 would make 100,000 miles before needing cam/lifter replacement. The 5.7 was almost as bad, but better. 2nd, you’re guaranteed to need new exhaust manifolds at least once before 100,000 miles on the 5.7, maybe the 6.4 as well. The 1500’s built after 2019 will eventually have a leaking rear window/brake light. You’ll need to flush the heater core one or 2 times and ultimately replace it to keep heat in the cab(mostly 1500’s). I currently own a ‘17 2500 with Cummins that’s been a very good truck. I’ve owned several previous hd ram diesels, all have been trouble free. I don’t see any evidence that recent production Ram trucks are or will be all that reliable. If I had to replace my Ram 2500 today, I’d be test driving the Ford and GMC HD gas trucks.

[@okcmoparguy724]

I work on these as well. This cam/lifter thing is overblown. It's almost exclusively customers that rack up tons of idle time and change oil based on the odometer (ie fleet). If that engine is serviced on time with good quality oil & filter they have outstanding reliability.....both 5.7L and 6.4L. Like anything else though people have to learn to take care of it.

[@T410ce]

@@okcmoparguy724 … exactly. Extensive idling and extended service intervals will kill ANY modern engine, not just hemi’s. Hemi’s were great. I feel terrible for you having to work on those hurricanes now, my buddy still at the dealership says they are a real PITA.

[@79random]

​@okcmoparguy724 legitimately curious as to what would be considered lots of idle time? Are we talking 20 min warm ups every day in the winter or is it hours a day?

[@tedlulis973]

​@@79random 20 minutes warm up time is ridiculous

[@warrior4-u]

Went from a 2013 Sierra 2500 6.0 with 410 gears to a 2024 Ram 2500 6.4 with 3.73 gears (no 410s in stock when I bought mine). Was a little worried how it would pull, have been nothing but impressed at how much better it pulls than my GMC did. (Only pull heavy about 5 or 6 times a year)

[@Reshard834]

Gmc gas engines are horrible at towing

[@RF-cz4ln]

Went from 2021 Chevy 2500 6.6 gas to Ram 2500 2024 6.4 hemi , owned GM trucks for 25 years, my 2021 was absolutely garbage, my first Ram and it tows my skid steer without any problems.

[@keithhall4009]

@@Reshard834the newer 6.6 gas with 10 speeds tow wonderfully. Not diesel wonderfully, but way better than the 6 speeds.

[@briancavanaugh7604]

These can be had at a discount at the moment. We are looking at a 3500 for 46k, which was an impossibility not that long ago. I have seen sub 60 Laramie in the 2500 and mid to low 50's for Big Horns. The 3500 we have our eye on is a tradesman but has a larger screen, bed liner, shift on fly, snow plow prep, basically what we need. Decisions, decisions. THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO JB!

[@briancavanaugh7604]

I'm also seeing sub 60's with the Cummins for those that what the diesel.

[@SaltyDog69]

They’re not near that price in my area. Current price is $54,740 for the Tradesman 4x4.

[@briancavanaugh7604]

@@SaltyDog69 Might be worth it to have em shipped or fly out depending on where you are. Check out cargurus and take the listing in to the locals and see if they will match or come close. Most of these I am looking at have been on the lots for 100+ days.

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

There is a reason they are being discounted for way less than chevy or ford.

[@SliderFury1]

That ZF trans is goated, no question that's doing a lot of the work to get those numbers.

[@Tony-b8s]

I own a 2023 F250 with the 6.8L V8. I tow a 10k lbs travel trailer 2-3 times a year. No problems so far and it’s also my daily driver. I chose it because it doesn’t have cylinder deactivation and it’s naturally aspirated with port fuel injection. It comes with a forged crankshaft and 6-bolt main bearings. It seems to be designed for longevity and simple low cost maintenance.

[@zacharytrull6107]

The 6.4 also has a forged crank and extra oil coolers. Only bad thing is the MDS, you can always turn that off tho

[@Tony-b8s]

@@zacharytrull6107 yes oil and transmission coolers are definitely needed for towing. The Ford Super Duty’s also have them.

[@zacharytrull6107]

@@Tony-b8s the gas engines just seem to make more sense than diesels tbh. Plus all the the gas options available for the big three are pretty decent

[@Tony-b8s]

@@zacharytrull6107 I agree today’s 3/4 ton and above engines from Ford, Ram, GM are making the same power and torque as older diesels. The government has essentially killled the diesel market unless you buy older models. Here in CA diesel costs more than regular fuel and all the less maintenance involved with gas engines makes it a no brainer. But there are people that still require diesels like hot shot truckers or the guys with the 20k lbs or more 5th wheels. Life’s short buy what makes you happy. That’s what I did. I bought what fits me and my family and our travel needs.

[@M_dot202]

I don't think that all the 6.8 internals are forged (cost saving) and you got the 10R100 not the heavier duty 10R140 transmission.

[@6.4ram]

Have a 2021 6.4, CCLB, 4.10 rears on 35’s and it does everything I need it to do and more. Pull a 35’ travel trailer about 10 times a year, the longest trip being from Northern Va to the OBX and it doesn’t bat an eye at it. Best truck I’ve owned.

[@Silverbllt]

I do love that 360 camera on the side like that

[@chris-zc7rp]

Bought a 24 2500 tradesman with towing package, larger screen, chrome package, Bed liner, snow prep for 52k. As far as 2500/3500. Get the 2500 and throw some timbrens on there and your solid. If you are towing under 13k get the hemi all day long. Best riding truck on market not hitched as well.

[@mad125100]

Thanks for the info.

[@chadmiller6487]

How about longevity? I tow 6 days a week. Just not heavy. 8-10k. I just want something that'll give me +300k without a rebuild. So far the toyota 5.7 and the gm 6.0 were the only engines I've had this experience with. I have the gm 6.6 gas now with almost 70k on it. So far so good.

[@johnm.515]

23 2500 Big Horn Hemi and will never own anything else. I tow a 7,000 lb travel trailer. Tows like nothing is there.

[@chris-zc7rp]

@@chadmiller6487be hard pressed to get 300k out of any gasser towing 6 days a week. 200k should be no problem with the 6.4 hemi. I turned in a 6.4 hemi with 180k and was running perfect.

[@matthewkim983]

7.3 godzilla

[@Gladiatorguy1998]

My dad owns a construction company and he’s owned them all, and he owns a 23 2500 now with the 6.4 and 3.73’s. He added a set of air bags and he’s got multiple trailers and equipment. A skid steer that weighs 11k and a forklift that weighs 20k and that 6.4 will pull the shit out of them.

[@davidlefranc6240]

The problem is you need factual numbers like TFL !

[@Gladiatorguy1998]

We don’t have any problems pulling anything we got.

[@dwight122324]

20k being pulled by a 2500 with 6.4? That seems to be way over its capacity no?

[@Gladiatorguy1998]

@@dwight122324 slightly lol, but it handles it fine. My dad has told me lots of stories about the loads they pulled with old F250’s with 460’s back in the day and never had an issue and their towing capacities sucked.

[@MoparGuy-x1r]

​@@dwight122324I remember as a kid the old square body rams with the 360s and 12 valves pulling stuff you wouldn't believe like combines and tractors in old school eagle and star idaho.. Those were only rated at 160-180 hp back in the 90s for any of those engines. So it is feasible for a 6.4 hemi with the 8 speed and 3:73s to pull 20k

[@glenparks5175]

I love my Ram outdoorsman, half ton 3.92 gears pulls great

[@M_dot202]

1500

[@BD1974_Mac]

I have this exact truck I had a chance to get a Cummins after a test drive I saw the fuel mileage and my experience with the emissions I wanted nothing to do with a diesel. My wife and adult children can drive and gas it up with no problem. I might eventually get a big truck to tow my rv, $90,000 just doesn’t sound fun, I can buy a big rig for $20K or way less to tow the once a month I travel 50 miles maybe… but this truck is so versatile given that you’re usually loaded going one way, it does the job with tremendous fuel mileage and doesn’t raise one eyebrow when out on the road . Thanks for featuring this truck!

[@michaelpopp1783]

I have a 23 2500 Laramie with 4.10’s. It pulls great. I only tow a 6000lb boat, but i have to look back and make sure it’s there. Brakes are good. Will be adding powerstop.

[@stevefrench4595]

I have a '22 Cummins and I tow out west once per year at 17K gross. This is an eye-opener.

[@jeffreyzabawski4862]

I love this freakin transmission. I went from a 2010 Chrysler 300 to a 21, and this Trans is worth the price of admission alone. Unlike most cars all the shifts are precise af, and also really quick and powerful. Yet with a full truck I get 30mpg plus everytime on the Highway, and in the city 22mpg without even trying. Even going up hill with a full trunk fells absolutely effortless, i really dont know how else to explpain it.

[@MoparGuy-x1r]

My cousin bought a 2021 6.4 hemi with the zf8. What a freak of nature that truck is so incredibly responsive compared to the trash 68 re they used for years. So much fun driving it I am considering buying one😊

[@hammertimebc1934]

Awesome love this review. I have a 2023 ram 3500 DRW but I'm looking at getting into something like this instead.

[@Schilders146]

Appreciate the channel and your reviews of the RAM 2500 6.4. A good tune and ProCharger and you can't beat it.

[@jamespenner1412]

Would love to get a ram 2500 hemi mega cab for the farm. The new diesels are out for me.

[@johnnicpon5783]

Unfortunately they no longer put the 6.4 Hemi in the MegaCab or higher trim levels. Stupid decision on Stellantis part. I have a 2020 Ram 2500 MegaCab Limited with the 6.4 Hemi, 4.10 rear end and Air suspension. I tow my 30' 9000 pound travel trailer. Always plenty of power in both the flats and the grades. When I tow I am generally driving a good 8 hours. So we wanted a comfortable cabin. And we also like to take company along. The MegaCab provides a comfortable back seat for that company on those long drives.

[@davidkissick6929]

Good video! I own a 24 Ram 2500 gasser, and I pull a 35 foot 5th wheel, apprx. 11k pounds and it pulls great! I live in Illinois, and camp down in the Ozarks, with some decent uphills, and it does fine. Plus, I average about 11-12 mpg pulling on the open road

[@stephenwest798]

Your trans is shifting to keep your engine at optimal operating rpms, a good thing not a bad thing, that's what it is engineered to do. Don't understand why people think it is a problem, it is not. I have a 07 ram 1500 4x4 5.7 hemi w/3.92 rear gears, 9 mpg towing in tow haul mode which is 4th gear an overdrive, 11 mpg towing in third which is 1:1. I only use tow haul mod when not towing in the hills, again better milage and easier on the tranny and engine.

[@JPBrister928]

For people that don't tow that often this is a great truck I had the 22 but got tired of that 7-8mpg BS and traded it back in for a 23 limited ho dually. Night and Day difference best move I ever made other then it being double the price but yolo.

[@M_dot202]

Wait, you paid twice the price of the truck to get maybe 25-30% better fuel mileage. Diesel in my area is about 30% more expensive than 87 octane. That makes the mpg advantage of diesel a wash, now you have to recover the initial purchase price of the diesel. Numbers do not favor the diesel.

[@JPBrister928]

@M_dot202 I'm getting 12 mpg 11 worst and was 7.5 to 8.5 with the gasser. Ass end was too high and towed like crap compared to this truck and the Jakebrake air ride etc makes me love the switch even more and regret not doing it sooner 🙃

[@Icutmetal]

@@JPBrister928You don’t have a “Jakebrake,” you’ve got an exhaust brake, but I understand what you’re saying.

[@JPBrister928]

@Icutmetal not the same but concept is

[@Icutmetal]

@@JPBrister928 No shit? 🤦‍♂️The concept isn’t really the same either…just what it accomplishes.

[@marksman4004]

The 6.4 is not bad at all. Sounds really good too. Another great tow video j-beezie. 👍🏿👍🏿

[@midlifemike4916]

Its the constant shifting is why i went from the hemi 6.4 to a Cummins. Ill probably never to back to a gas. Also with the constant shifting my check engine light would come on the 6.4 . I was only pulling a 10ft pressure washing trailer.

[@drifterwannab]

Good idea with that heat temp gun. We need to start bringing one out to the track with us.

[@jameshowey9958]

Need to be tested same day, 20 plus difference in temperature makes a huge impact on NA motors.

[@ratracewelding6935]

It's "cool", in the truck world, to hate on Ram. But most commenting negatively. on any forum, are getting their "information" from other classic Ram haters, not personal experience.

[@chrisdimiceli4057]

Good set of true dule exhaust and a good air cleaner, then run it again and I bet the uphill would improve you gotta let them hemi breathe one of the best sounding engines out there with a good set of pipes. I'm just saying I got to hear that engine and feel the power band. Nice review

[@mtaylor6745]

True dual doesn't make more power? You want that scavenging from the x pipe

[@supporterofsanity]

Hemi is back on the menu boys🇺🇸💪

[@tonynimmons111]

I’m impressed that the truck didn’t break down.

[@CTECH-REVIEW]

Dude! That sucker was ripping! I felt like I needed a hearing aid after hearing it hold WOT for so long. haha great video!

[@M_dot202]

No need to hold 65mph up a 6% grade, slow down and save the truck. Of course it's not JBs truck...

[@jasonmekush5280]

add air bag helpers , very cheap. i have same truck

[@JeffFoster-s5v]

I had a 2022 ram 2500 and I liked it, but I couldn't stand how much it shifted so I traded it in.

[@amberbali8881]

3.73?

[@chadstellwagen3460]

The lower temp probably helped the hemi but it’s definitely impressive

[@michaelmartin2912]

They also need to add a column shifted to that truck that rotary shift a sucks

[@M_dot202]

I have had no issues with it.

[@bigvee3185]

JB just wanted to say I appreciate your hard work bro and content ! Jehovah is on the thrown !! I have a question or two! I own a 2023 ram 1500 hemi! However i drive a school bus a notice that desiel lasts longer! Is my theory correct that you can possibly be at the fuel pump less with a HD vs regular gas? I’m thinking my truck I want a HD ! Thoughts ?

[@justinbourgeois4685]

Which language is this, looks similar to English

[@gwendolynbrown9386]

Great Information !!

[@marksman4004]

Yo j, I got a 2014 chevrolet silverado lt1 package 2wd crew cab 5.3. Basically a luxury work truck. How much you think it can tow? Will it tow a trailer like your car hauler?

[@TheBostonstapler]

Yes retest godzilla and the. New baby godzilla

[@outfitr9703]

I had a 2011 ram 5 speed 5.7 and although the motor was ok the trans was not up to the task. My trailer is only about 6000 lbs. Bought a Chev 2500 gas with the 10 speed and the transmission is really good. Chevy steers better, 6" longer bed, bigger back seat and auto 4x4.

[@tylermacconnell217]

Not comparing apples to apples here. A new RAM 2500 with the 6.4L and 8 speed auto will outperform your gas Chevy 2500. However, the RAM cab is still the same and your Chevy is a larger cab.

[@outfitr9703]

@@tylermacconnell217 I'm sure the 6.4 hemi and 8 speed would be good and certainly considered that option. But the ifs, auto 4x4, 6" longer bed, larger back seat we're total deal breakers for the ram. Those were must haves for me.

[@tylermacconnell217]

Auto 4x4 is nice, although it uses a clutch and might not ultimately be as durable when snow plowing. Agree with you on most points you make though.

[@lauderdalechad]

You really should have a picture in picture view of the gauge cluster the whole time. That way we can see what the truck is actually doing... RPM, gear etc

[@chiefhobbyist3203]

I was raised to not run the snot out of my vehicles, so I have some difficulty understanding the need to run up a grade towing a load and go the speed limit or however fast I can go pedal to the metal

[@Icutmetal]

That’s too bad.

[@M_dot202]

💯

[@kennyg6747]

Hello JB, I was wondering if you can do a video on how to use the gear lockout on the ram 2500 hemi.

[@Old-n-slo-locked-n-leaned]

Did the test truck have the 4:10 or 3:73?

[@muchogracious1557]

If thats a flex fuel which it probably is, its going to perform better with E85. Better go straight to jiffy lube and get an oil change with them 255° oil temperatures. If that Ford had factory tires and wheels and no lift kit, I don't think the ram would have even been close.

[@jimmcknight3021]

I'm not sure if this apples to apples comparison since the Ram is a 3/4 ton and the Ford is a 1 ton. Also what was the rear end on the Ford? Apologies if I missed it if you mentioned the Ford rear end.

[@tylermacconnell217]

What are you trying to say regarding “apples to apples?” A 3/4 ton truck weighs the same as the one ton truck. The difference is in the stiffness of the suspension and assigned GVWR.

[@jimmcknight3021]

@tylermacconnell217 I thought the rear ends ratio might be different. Some of the 1 ton Fords are using the 4.10 rather than a 3.73.

[@tylermacconnell217]

You can get a 4.10 ratio as an option on a 2500 RAM as well. I believe with Ford it’s actually a 4.30 ratio.

[@jimmcknight3021]

@@tylermacconnell217 My bad, I forgot that Ford used the 4.30

[@justinbourgeois4685]

​@@jimmcknight3021I think 1 ton and 3/4 ton are slightly different frame. So the weight is a bit different. Not 100% tho

[@mxcjoe]

Had the 6.4 went to the cummins. Reasons Exhaust break Fuel is basically the same price Higher octane recommended in 6.4 when towing 2 miles per gallon better with cummins pulling same camper(11k) Option to pull to semi pumps 6.4 revved much higher pulling up mountains in Eastern Tennessee. Almost scared it was gonna blow at times. If you plan on towing often deisel is better in my opinion

[@M_dot202]

2021 2500 6.4/3.73, now: 2024 2500 6.4/3.73: 87 octane recommended per the owners manual (21+); We pull to Gatlinburg wo issue with 10k TT; We pulled over the Rockies w the 10k TT, no issues.

[@davidduplessis7800]

Higher octane is not for the HD 6.4

[@davidduplessis7800]

That's for the SRt version in the Grand Wagoneer

[@davidduplessis7800]

Cummins is way better. But hope u like spending a shit ton of money keeping it running. It'll last forever if deleted and only if deleted. And if maintained like a MF. Gas engines have literally zero maintenance other than much cheaper oil changes. So unless you're towing all day every day and very heavy, you'll. Literally never make up the price difference with a diesel. I own both and have for many years so I know..... Haha

[@davidduplessis7800]

I love them both too

[@hummyhero1484]

I think all the HD trucks perform well. They all got there plus and minus over one or the other. Theres no perfect truck just get the one you think is best for you and what your going to do with it

[@waldemarmachado1616]

How much weight is in the trailer, and what size is the trailer?

[@عبدالرحمنسعدالغامدي]

Which is better and stronger in terms of towing and reliability, the Ram HD 2500 6.4 Hemi or the GM HD 2500 6.6, both of which are gas engines, because I want to buy one of them, but I am confused

[@jeffworth3671]

Those 6.4” need to be broken in well 15-20,000 miles made a big difference, 89 octane will definitely help also, I have a 2021 Ram 2500 w/410 gears

[@M_dot202]

The 21+ BGE 6.4 can not take advantage (make more power) of octane higher than 87. Read your owner's manual.

[@ethanlegler6403]

I'd be curious if theres a major difference at speed between the 3.73 and 4.10 with this transmission. My instinct says no, that with this many gears it'd really only help off the line, but I think that'd be cool to test and see the results. Maybe lets you keep a gear higher?

[@M_dot202]

The torque multiplication of the 4.10 (only 10% more than the 3.73) would only be an advantage off the line. At speed, in a 3.73, lock out a gear lower to achieve the same rpm as a 4.10

[@jamesdutton5439]

But how does it compare to the 2024 Silverado L8T with the 10 speed you had?!

[@Wallst522]

Why am i always trying to guess how much weight you are towing?? What is in the trailer ?

[@KathyHarris-v5u]

Cmon JB really ,this has been done on TFL truck on the “ike” and no way it out performs the 7.3😅😅😅😅😅

[@mauriceracicot6010]

I watched tfl. In that test i do believe the ram had a 6 speed transmission. I think the 8 speed is a big improvement and makes the ram performance closer to the 7.3.

[@jeffgrise4386]

Need get your hands on some gas dullies and compare

[@marksman4004]

Oh yeah that's a good tow test. Hope he does a couple.

[@ng8002]

Would love to see a gas dually. If you can find one 😆.

[@jasonmekush5280]

cross drilled and slotted rotors will help shed heat / gas on that decline.

[@jeffs2809]

Cross drilled rotors, esp on hd vehicles, make for excellent places for cracks to start. Dimpled maybe. Ultimately, brakes are going to get hot when used hard with a heavy load, no way around it. As long as they aren’t fading, dimples wouldn’t make much difference.

[@huemongus3742]

This is very much a misunderstood topic. There is a difference between race cars and trucks. Lots of sports cars are designed from the manufacturer to use these rotors. No truck, not one is designed from the manufacturer for cross drilled and slotted rotors. The reason is thermal capacity. More metal can absorb more heat. That is why when you put those rotors on trucks that tow especially in the mountains they crack. Over heated, over and over. Remember, cooling NEVER happens when you are on the brakes, only when you are off the brakes.

[@M_dot202]

The 8HP75 does an excellent job at grade shifting. Towed thru the Rockies, never had an issue.

[@M_dot202]

The 7.3 requires 91+ octane to develop full power, the 6.4 develops full power with 87 octane.

[@JDMHero47]

Anyone who knows anything about gas engines can tell you that DI in the chevy is for top-end horsepower at the cost of low-end torque. Coupled with lssp-detonation; I have no idea why anyone would be stupid enough to put that into a class 2/3 truck except for fuel economy reasons. I drove one with the 10spd... but there's a hemi in the garage.

[@robertabbott8541]

Warmer temperatures makes for less energy “ie” less horsepower and torque. The temps, even 10 degrees will make a big difference in performance. Just saying.

[@flyingwyoming5184]

No way it out did the Godzilla.

[@ajmedeiros77]

I would never buy a direct injection heavy duty. Half Ton, I like that ford uses port and direct injection in many of their engines. Direct injection only leads to problems unless you do expensive walnut blasting

[@hahaadventures4838]

EPIC video! Ford got nothing on that Hemi! I tow with my 6.4 Hemi with 4.10 gears and it does great! Usually get 8-9 mpgs towing my RV!

[@treeamigo8447]

4.10 is the only way to get that gas engine. Anything less will be disappointing.

[@SteveShelton-hh4xt]

I disagree. JB Stated that air temp was 15 to 20 degrees cooler for this test vs the Ford and Chevy. If you want real world truck review stats go to TFL Truck here on KZbin and watch these trucks on the world's toughest towing test, "The Ike Gauntlet". You will see that the Godzilla absolutely destroyed the competition from both Ram and Chevy. We are talking about massive differences.

[@M_dot202]

​@@treeamigo8447I had a 21 2500 6.4/3.73 towing a 10k TT, no complaints.

[@enjoytomorrowtoday]

Hey JB, In your MPG & Acceleration chart, you put the wrong fuel cost while towing 10,000 miles for the Godzilla. It should read $4,961.77 for regular fuel. You have both the Ram and the Ford at $4,498.66

[@tkendr01]

I have that truck with factory air bags.

[@AB-coyote]

There is a reason why they don’t just throw extra power at HD engines. It would be game over for durability. The 6.4 has not out performed the 7.3 in any other test and there are a few of them out there. Maybe the one you had wasn’t cared for the best. Cheap tires are a good indicator but also ambient temp plays a big role. The air is already thin where you are. Colder air is denser. Denser air means more power. Ram def had the air advantage. DI isn’t a gimmick. For example it’s one of the reasons the Ecoboost 3.5 can still make substantial power on lower octane although higher octane still has its advantages in any boosted application.

[@coozhunter4434]

Be sure and tell them about the extremely expensive 0w-40 oil you have to buy because it has cylinder deactivation. And the extremely small standard fuel tank. All these reasons plus the super short standard bed is why I sold mine. It did pull fine but it screams with 12,000. I bought the GM 6.6 and love it. No cylinder deactivation and 20 dollar oil changes 😁 Not everyone is trying to race to the top of the mountain

[@mad125100]

Is cylinder deactivation bad? If so how? I'm currently looking at both chevy and ram with gas.

[@Steviethegr8]

@@mad125100these 6.4's sound like rattle traps, have constant lifter noise that may or may not become a problem etc. they move out well but I'd get a GM for reliability

[@JT-ko3rv]

​@@Steviethegr8Total BS they all have problems all the service departments have work regardless of brand 🙄. Ever heard of LSPI or carbon buildup problems on direct injection engines it's a real issue

[@Steviethegr8]

@@JT-ko3rvI'll call it how it is. I had a ram, needed a new engine at 30,000 miles. The other 2 people I know with rams, both currently have failed lifters. Idk about you but 3 out of 3 is pretty bad luck...

[@danielmorris-ruckett913]

​@Steviethegr8 bro You and your buddies had a rarity then. Have 6 rams 4 of them with cylinders deactivation/OHVVD including all the way back to 2012. Over 70,000 miles on average on all of them. Never had a single engine problem. Never even had a buddy or fan have issue with the lifters. It's a known possible issue sure. But is less prevalent than the issues Ford and gm are facing. Your far more likely to have your Allison overheat now in your gm.

[@shanelilman3780]

It could be worst the 8powerline has way lower gears, transmission could be way better then 6 &Aisin...

[@RK-nr8qf]

A transmission that does a lot of hunting for the right gear is a nightmare while towing. If i were purchasing a 2500 series gas engined truck, it would definitely be a Gm for many reasons.

[@M_dot202]

The ZF 8HP75 is the best gas HD transmission on the market, period. I towed from Idaho to the Keys with a 21 6.4/3.73, over 20k miles towing a 10k TT. The ZF was excellent. I also owned a 20 F250 7.3/3.55; the 10R140 was complete garbage.

[@mjoliver457]

if people are gonna complain about ram then don't buy the f brand simple as that

[@RVthereyet25]

the whole point of more gears is to use more gears

[@406crusader4]

You were pushing harder on the gas pedal in Ram, than you did in the Ford.

[@JoshBryant-jd1fq]

Can you give it 70%more feaster

[@M_dot202]

Maybe set the cruise control and the transmission wont hunt. The ZF 8HP75 is the best gas HD transmission on the market, period. A 4.10 wont help you at speed, lock gears out.🙄 The ZF is excellent at grade shifting, the operator just needs to understand how to drive. The transmission will maintain your speed not slow you down. Ir you start down a 6% at 70mph how in the world do you expect the truck to slow you down with grade shifting alone.🙄

[@matthewanderson9912]

JB fanboying hard here lol. So two things: 1) stop with the 4.10 stuff. You were cranking 5200 rpm in 3rd gear. That’s all you got and the 3.73 was just enough to keep from having to upshift to 4th. Also going down the road at 66 mph on flat ground you were cranking 3500 rpm. The 4.10 wouldn’t help you at all. It might have put you in one gear higher but you’d still be needing those rpms to do those speeds. 2) the coil suspension is why you had trouble when you had to panic stop. And that ultimately means the trailer is too much for the truck. That’s the same thing that happens with half tons. They do ok in ordinary conditions but anytime something out of the ordinary happens is when they have issues. Guarantee that wouldn’t happen in a GM. I know because I have one and have had to panic stop before. That’s not a gas truck problem. That’s a Ram 2500 problem. Anyways those tires are great. I had them on a 1500 once and Ford use to use them as OEM tires on their Super Duty’s.

[@fishermin0076]

Ok guys just got 2021 ram 2500 what gas you put in it

[@M_dot202]

87, any higher octane doesn't do anything except lighten your wallet

[@loganwilgus7225]

I sold my 22 hemi and got the 24 L8T and the l8t will out pull the hemi because of the Allison 10 speed

[@gnd111]

....Its not an Allison though...its a Chevy built Allison plated trans...

[@loganwilgus7225]

@@gnd111 very good point. You are correct

[@mjdgi1]

KZbin keep unsubscribing me.. I hate that.

[@JimByford]

have 35s on it then see what it does

[@omahaomaha8694]

Ram trucks all the way

[@stanr5645]

I i just sold my ram 3500 srw with 6.4. Picked up a new ford dually 3500 with the god zillion ,the 6.4 hemi out does the 7.3 gas in all aspects, not happy with the ford performance or mileage

[@Reshard834]

Ford 7.3 gas out performs Ram 6.4 all day long

[@RichardSevcech-hz3xu]

What for lifter fell and cam and eat up rod and main brg

[@mjoliver457]

that's because your f lazy and complain about it I have the patience to maintain it at least dodge ram isn't found on road dead and then people say I'm complaining no I'm explaining

[@davidlefranc6240]

Pretty sure the new straight six turbo engine would do better than this! 420hp and 469flbs of torque can't go wrong !

[@M_dot202]

For how long??? Remember this 6.4 is tuned for fleet use too.

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

The nice thing about the ford is that you just need a new engine every 40,000 miles.

[@erikswensen425]

I've driven both the 6.4 hemi and 7.3 Godzilla and 7.3 has it hands down. 6.4 had no power and had worse gas mileage cause it was always working to the max. And I can't stand the rotary shift knob Ram has.

[@Reshard834]

💯

[@mjoliver457]

yeah right your full of sh** I've had no issues with the Cummins and the hemi but people complain about the 6.4 because you can't take care of it then don't buy the f brand simple as that

[@hahaadventures4838]

I own both and my Ram accelerates quicker than my 7.3 empty and loaded. Also gets FAR BETTER MPGS!!! My 7.3 is ONLY better at holding a lower RPM while towing. The torque feel seems more powerful but when you actually see your speed, it’s NOT! I’ve run them side by side and the 6.4 walks the 7.3 by 1-2 truck lengths every time. That’s it 🤷‍♂️ Maybe JB can run them side by side 🤷‍♂️

[@tylermacconnell217]

The 8 speed is superior to the 10 speed. Fuel economy is poor for both. I find throttle response better in the RAM.

[@erikswensen425]

@hahaadventures4838 I've driven both and the Godzilla outperforms it hands down. Towing the 6.4 got 7 to the 7.3s 9. I could watch the gas gauge drop on the 6.4 and instant read 1mpg climbing a 9% grade foot buried in 2nd gear doing 35. The 6.8 will be a good one to test results since no one has tested it towing

[@SteveShelton-hh4xt]

Too many variables to be completely accurate. If you want to see how these two trucks stack up in a more controlled apples to apples test, check out these links. Things to keep in mind is that the Godzilla is pulling 16,000lbs and the Ram is pulling 14,000lbs. The Ford Scored 94.5 Points vs. the Ram 69.5 Points. The Ike Gauntlet test is 8 miles @ 7% grade and 11,000 Feet elevation. Ford Pulled 16K in 8 Minutes 42 Seconds, Ram pulled 14K in 10 Minutes 29 Seconds, Chevy took over 11 Minutes. The Godzilla Ford is by far the superior truck as this isn't even close. kzbin.info/www/bejne/annMg2yardt6grssi=Io0-EKuM2lt__oH_ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXO4f4WbnNSpn9Usi=pEz-U4zAdCafp5j9

[@harveyterr]

Way to much rpm

[@fattie2550]

When is Ram getting a new gas engine? Word on the street is that Cummins is coming out with a gas engine.

[@KathyHarris-v5u]

If trump gets in, Stellantis is going to get hit hard with tariffs because these so called trucks that are made in Saltillo Mexico and not manufactured in the United States by American workers ,RAM is going to suffer the consequences because of the actions Stellantis 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@M_dot202]

'So called trucks'...they aren't trucks???

[@98durangopack]

The 7.3 Godzilla will walk the dog in that pos 6.4 Hemi. Let me know when that thing can maintain 60 mph up the Ike with 14k pounds and not 40 mph.

[@M_dot202]

Previous 7.3 owner here, the 7.3 is an awesome HD truck engine but the 10R140 is garbage. The 6.4 is a very good HD truck engine with an awesome 8HP75. I traded my 20 7.3 for a 21 6.4/3.73 with zero regrets (46k miles).

[@flyingwyoming5184]

I wouldn't touch a dodge...fiat. Horrible reliability/customer service.

[@Icutmetal]

But you’ll spend your time watching videos about them?

[@flyingwyoming5184]

@@Icutmetal Oh don't worry I didn't watch it, I could tell it was misleading from the thumbnail, jumped to comments to see the hate haha!!

[@M_dot202]

Dodge hasn't made trucks since 2008. Please catch up.

[@rd.spencermail]

Im impressed, scared at the same time😂

[@loganwilgus7225]

I sold my 22 hemi and got the 24 L8T and the l8t will out pull the hemi because of the Allison 10 speed

[@Reshard834]

You are wrong. 6m4 hemi will out perform the l8t all day. And Ford 7.3 gas will out pull and out perform the hemiband l8t

[@loganwilgus7225]

@@Reshard834 we can agree to disagree. I have owned all 3. I would still have the 7.3 Godzilla if it would have not got totaled. The Godzilla pulled the best, but both loaded and unloaded it got the worst fuel mileage. The 6.4 hemi had better low end torque IMO then the l8t. But the l8t seems to hold speed better then the hemi but wind and weather may be a factor. I know same trailer but the hemi could have had head wind. And I know you can’t compare diesel to gas, but the 24 HO power stroke is wicked at pulling. Just got back from the lake and my uncle let me borrow his PS