RAM Cummins 2500 Emissions Recall 67A

$1.6 B fine by EPA against Cummins. In the video I said RAM however the fine is against Cummins. Haven't heard of any penalties on RAM as of now. What do you think?

[@monsterram6617]

This will be added to the list of recalls I'm not getting done to my truck.

[@ki6lkp]

I've been looking forward to your comments on this Marion. Thank you ! Here in California, we're concerned that without the "flash", our trucks won't pass the smog tests, thus preventing renewal of our registration. However, I found this statement from the California Air Resources Board (CARB), "Not having the recall/repair will not affect the vehicle registration". That said, my truck runs great and gets very good MPG, I'm not about to risk losing that by getting a "flash". Those of you that are old enough to remember the original Saturday Night Live, Rosanna Rosanna Danna would say " It's always something, if it's not sweat balls dripping from you nose, it's lint in your belly-button!" 🙂

[@wooters12]

Had my 18 done. No change in performance and mileage Can’t renew registration in California until you do the recall.

[@duckhunt1058]

I have to take mine in next monday for it. Damn Uconnect is blowing me up on an engine fault indicator that isn't lit at all. I'm sure its this stupid recall because California is lame.

[@kavik526town2]

actually I've heard plenty of people have been able to register their rams in California without the recall.

[@SuperVorpalbunny]

Thanks for doing this video! Appreciated.

[@a.r.o7697]

I had it done on mine, and it didn't change anything. If anything, it just uses more DEF. It was also Cummins who had to pay up not RAM.

[@alanb.4660]

do you know if EGR is increased...I would be more worried about that!

[@nugnug9447]

Hi Marion! Hey, I just changed my CCV filter on my 2018 6.7 Cummins because the manual said 67500 miles OR 5 years. My truck has 19k miles on it, as I don't drive it except to tow (AZ mountains up to 9000 feet above sea level.) I'm glad I changed it because is was amazingly heavy with oil and the media was quite black. The replacement filter probably weighed about a third of what the original weighed with the oil that was in it. The guys that are driving/towing on flat land may get away with it a bit longer than I did. Just an FYI for you and your peeps. Take care brother!

[@lobuk516]

Someone posted an interesting video about this recall. Their findings were that they changed the programming of the def gauge sweep (shows less now so when you run out, you can still be epa compliant for the 600 miles until it puts you to 5mph) and some other low def software changes .

[@sumnerkinney2166]

Thanks Marion.

[@robertanthony312]

I took my Ram (2017) to the dealer concerning the recall. He advised me to not get the update as it would decrease fuel mileage and engine power. He also said the recall’s purpose was to bring the 49 State trucks into California emission compliance. If so, how does burning more fuel per mile help the environment? Seems the folks that brought us the Covid fiasco moved across the hall to the EPA.

[@GB-ew8wc]

Had my 18, 3500, 6.7 updated too and have not seen any changes good or bad.

[@elgroucho7563]

Thank you sir! From what I’ve found 19 and newer already have the software and whatever to be compliant. The 13-18 is what I think the affected years are? Still watchn, listening, learning until all is done

[@gpocat4518]

Had my 2022 done. I've noticed more frequent regen in city driving. I really haven't taken it on a long drive yet, but the AZ winters typically had more regen than the summers did. I have noticed more since getting it done. I'll know more about long haul drive when I take a vacation later down the road.

[@midstaterustics4507]

I had it done a while back and I now have a check engine light on that equates to several random misfires. Waiting to get it into the Ram dealer so they can tell me what is going on with it. My truck Is a 2018 2500 with only 35,135 miles

[@johndehne6955]

Over reaching government with too many Lawer’s I’m all for clean air and water. It’s just handled the wrong way. This country needs a pro business attitude for jobs and taxes.

[@rayvonp]

Ram didn’t do anything wrong it was Cummins, and on a couple of the forms were guys have had the flash done noted that the calibration for how much death was in the tank changed. One of the guys would run his truck pretty much empty of death and add a 2 1/2 gallon tote to it and it would read almost 3/4 of a tank after the flash. He noted that adding a 2 1/2 gallon tote would only take it to a half a tank. I myself I have an 18 that has 138,000 miles on it. I don’t live in a state that requires emissions checks and I probably won’t get it done.

[@rjl7765]

That's interesting. My 2016 has always been like that. On 1/2 gage, 2 1/2 gallon jug would only bring it up to 3/4 full.

[@MarionBlair]

My bad sorry

[@vinnymozz]

Got mine. Started my fire pit with it. Hard pass here.

[@mikeb6300]

I just got my notification in the mail today I’m in NY but not sure if I’m getting it done

[@erikkekkonen2941]

Awesme vid Marion !!! I got my letter a couple of months ago and have heard all kinds of stupid things, So I.m going to wait a bit longer to see if you come up with anything then I will make my decision!!! I trust your judgement

[@sheriealfowler925]

They have a recall on this but I have gone through 3 complete ABS controller and modules in 2017 Ram. Waiting for Ram to figure it out.

[@David-de3ed]

I had to have mine 2018 replaced just barely out of warranty, almost $1000.00 Ram definitely has an issue with the abs.

[@sheriealfowler925]

@@David-de3ed #1 replaced under warranty. #2 I had to replace myself with less than 30000 miles during COVID (no mechanics available at dealership). #3 went out January of 2023 (no replacement part available though Ram). It now has 40,000 miles it. They are supposed to be coming out with a replacement that will last.

[@onebear6196]

ABS sucks 2018 ram 3500 dually. they need to recall this shit

[@timdavis9567]

Thanks for your input. I have a separate question about my 2017 6.7 getting hot while towing. I’m not sure what temperature I should be worried about/ or is this normal. I’ve owned it since new with 68000 miles. Thank you

[@d.nicely]

Really do enjoy your knowledge and value your opinion on Ram Diesel maintenance you apply to your truck then share with us =-)

[@goducgo]

Did mine two days ago. I can’t tell a difference at all. My Def consumption could go up but time will tell. In California if you don’t get it done you won’t be able to register it. My registration is due next Sept and will have to have its bi annual emissions ( smog ) check. It has always passed with flying colors and doesn’t blow smoke. I would never buy a Ford or a Gm so I’ll just deal with it.

[@klforrest573]

Changes to DEF usage - I have no issues with - Changes to the EGR & adding more (Sludge) - Soot into my intake - I have a huge issue with!

[@klforrest573]

If this becomes implemented in Oklahoma - This will be the last diesel I ever own - I will either switch to a Tundra or F150 w/5.0L.

[@The_Lincoln_Penny]

@@klforrest573IMHO, with the “mandated push” with subsidies towards electrification and increasing“illegalization” of ICE engines that once met emissions regs when they were manufactured , going gas may buy you a little more time than a diesel. I think you can see the “writing on the wall” with Cummins proposed Fuel Agnostic Approach. It seems that they want to give their customers the option of using fuels that are accepted as “greener” . Thus avoiding any single fuel becoming penalized with “clean air fees” making it cost-prohibitive as a means of eradicating its usage.

[@alanb.4660]

agree!!

[@rjl7765]

I got the recall letter in the mail a couple weeks ago here in Canada for my 2016. I am teetering on the fence on a delete right now because of a knox censor code that keeps popping up, which may cost quite a bit to replace. And as many have already said the fine was on Cummins, not Dodge.

[@johnlopez8279]

Hello Marion my truck is a 2019 have not heard anything Yet Thanks

[@The_Lincoln_Penny]

I live in California and I have until July before my truck has to be smogged . I am going to wait it out as long as possible to get a better sense of any negative impacts of the reflash. The fuel economy I am able to consistently achieve on my 2016 with the G56 Manual Transmission is so good that I no longer tell people the true mpg. When I’ve told others my true hand-calculated MPGs, I’ve been called a “liar “ more times than not (so I just say “around 20 mpg” when asked). I don’t mind if it just uses a little more def fluid. But I don’t want to lose mpgs or have any premature failures of emissions components . My wife’s daily driver is a VW SportWagen with the DieselGate TDI. The VW EPA/CARB reflash had a noticeable negative impact on both mpg and performance . Let’s just say we got that problem “fixed”. I hoping in time that the market may produce a similar post-reflash “fix” for the Cummins 6.7 .

[@NeilStarrett]

I get 20.8 MPG with my 2017 Man Tran, better than any Tacoma I've owned.

[@xeroxboy01]

Is it a mandatory recall? My friend got a letter.

[@dogjunker]

Dont have any emissions on my truck. Bought it from the dealer that way.

[@srgtkankles]

I got my recall lastmonth. Sametime I was in the dealership already with my 2018 dpf being be diagnosed fully plugged. Now they $5000 to replace my dpf since dealership won't cover anything with emissions especially when I bought it used a little over a year ago with 64k miles. Dpf had plugged by 82k

[@petermandel2552]

Look at your def injector. It plugs up with white def crystals that wash off with warm water. Easy to do. It's 2 10mm nuts to remove. You will want to have the gasket on hand.

[@David-de3ed]

I had the up date completed on my truck before I researched why I had to do it. Hopefully it will not effect MPG, I will post mpg.

[@The_Lincoln_Penny]

Thanks. I will keep an eye on this post to see your results.

[@rubengarsan4995]

Marion..hello have u done a video on P2043. My check engine light came on..and this was the code it scanned. I drive a 2019 Ram 2500. Any advise on what i need to change to fix this would be greatly appreciated

[@MarionBlair]

Can I ask how many miles you have on the truck. The code indicates a temperature sensor in the exhaust system, however some have found that the DEF system is causing the problem either a bad pump or possibly crystallized injector. I do have a fairly recent video on how to clean the injector and that’s pretty easy. How much DEF do you run through your engine? Are you a high mileage driver or just some local stuff? How often do you put DEF in your tank?. I know that’s a little weird, that code relate to the DEF system. Every time I see a DEF code it’s either the pump or the injector but that is not a 2043 and also whenever I see a problem with the system. You’re limited to 115 miles before it goes into limp mode. Have you cleared the code? There is about four exhaust sensors on the truck, also it could be that. But I would like to know more about the DEF system because that’s pretty easy easy to troubleshoot.

[@rubengarsan4995]

@@MarionBlair 766705 miles

[@rubengarsan4995]

@MarionBlair most of it is local driving. Def is around 1/2 tank..I will be adding more today. Tomorrow I will be driving it around 350 miles round trip.no I have not clear the code. If it goes on limp mode..I will get stranded?

[@CrazyMooseManor]

Yea Ford had this same issue. Got it back and -1 mpg difference on towing now and about -1.5 on normal driving. The service tech laughed when I said I'll get better fuel economy? The fine is cheaper to pay. They all do it.

[@tomwest684]

According to an epa lawyer it’s the factory tuning from Cummins that kept certain emissions controls off and were sold to dealers non compliant. This is the epa version of a kid that got bullied in school who becomes a cop and exacts revenge. They have to get an 85% compliance standard or face additional charges. Abolish the epa.

[@powder600]

Had my 17 done. I don't see any difference.

[@user-cv1ql4gj9x]

just had mine done. It now really likes to drink DEF. Everything else pretty much the same

[@bayonne]

In addition... Cummins has 3 years to get 85% of affected trucks Reflashed or Face MORE Big Fines for each truck that has not had the recall performed. So if it's not good news for truck owners then Cummins is definitely going to keep their mouth shut about what they are feeding into our Trucks! There is more to it that just a simple happy Reflash! Give it some time driving/towing with the trucks AFTER the recall and see what happens! (Not a week or a month of driving) Ram is not adding all this emissions extended warranty for nothing, although most peoples trucks will be out of that warranty before components need replacement.

[@onebear6196]

yep i will wait until they clarify what they are actually doing to my truck

[@mr.ogpaint3086]

The settlement with EPA requires 85% compliance of the recall to be considered settled by Ram/Cummins . I'd expect Ram/Cummins to eventually have to offer incentives to owners to get the recall performed at that percentage. Unlike the VW settlement, Ram/Cummins settlement did not require incentives and buybacks initially to all owners, but I would expect it will be required to hit the 85% number. Most likely Ram will observe the compliance percentages and then decide what to offer. Expect small things first, but it could escalate to trade-in bonuses or even cash compensation. REMEMBER, the EPA is now a weaponized and aggressive organization. Unlike pharma it is not funded by the manufacturers, they will force Ram to comply with the settlement percentage. I will not be coming in for the recall or any dealer work hence forth without compensation, as my truck is out of warranty. I bought a truck with expected mileage and performance, I will not be taking a sofware downgrade without compensation. If your state requires the recall to register it will force compliance.

[@The_Lincoln_Penny]

If the compensation was enough to offset the cost of an ECSNO (Emissions Component Spay\Neuter Operation), I will do it today 😇

[@adamjohnson8884]

I received a recall card on this. Not going to do it though!

[@taildragger353]

NOT a simple "flash" if you've gotten used to the power of your diesel engine!!!

[@OzarksWildman]

I see Trump waving the 2 billion dollar fine if re-elected. The EPA can’t cripple our fortune 500 companies. That money was supposed to be for families, mortgages and shareholders not a government agency.

[@alanb.4660]

part of the re-distribution of wealth that continues.

[@Broncort1]

RAM didn’t settle for the 1.6 billion, Cummins did.

[@danmeade2950]

Not Ram....Cummins was the subject of the law suit.

[@sdfaulk01]

I was going to say the same thing.

[@user-yn5fd7rh5t]

Don't believe this stuff. Went in for the update. No problems prior. Engine light came on 20 miles down the road. $4200 to repair vehicle. Not covered under warranty.

[@TrokaRC]

All these little trucks will ruin it for big rigs.

[@chrislarson3123]

Not happening to this guy’s eighteen 3500

[@brettegarr8064]

I’m with you. Mine running fine, so leave it alone. Glad Gavin Newsom isn’t the governor in NV.

[@bayonne]

Marion I have been researching everything I can to find out what the ECM Reflash will do to the truck. Some of what I am read (with limited use after recall) is Increased DEF Usage and a Decrease in Fuel Economy. Nobody really Knows for sure because Cummins and Ram are Very Tight Lipped what they are doing. However, I am including a KZbin link from a Cummins Tech from a Certified Cummins Shop, which also Owns a couple of Ram Dealerships - He gives his opinions on what He believes is happening. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXnUfH2qmM2Ib6c

[@allan1062]

RAM has nothing to do with the recall, stop calling a RAM recall!!!!!!!!!!!!! the culprit is Cummins Not RAM!!!!!!!!!!

[@allan1062]

I actual fact you don't know anything right now, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

[@MarionBlair]

Thanks for those kind words

[@josephguzwicus2417]

If you don't live in a state with emissions testing don't get it ram did nothing wrong it was Cummins the flash will de tune your engine

[@aquabarrel]

Took my 3500 in and it was done pretty quickly. AS for the EPA. I'm glad they fined RAM/Cummins and VW as that is supposed to be the financial pain in order to keep them from doing anything like that in the future. NO different then a civil trial where damages are so high as to keep the person from doing it again.