Rambling about my 7800X3D and 4070Ti daily system.

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[@Xzor]

I clicked the thumbnail expecting a slightly jank and over-thought cooling solution. I was not disappointed.

[@FanaticalRK]

BZ: made this video to show the cooler Me: ok, pretty cool

[@CallOFDutyMVP666]

I see Buildzoid "ramble" , I click. Simple.

[@stanimir4197]

What I learned is that Mr. Buildzoid doesn't own a flush cutter. Alternatively, he really appreciates orange color; esp. nylon.

[@nickl6820]

Yo Buildzoid, it's the daily driver. Don't stress over the pedestrian memory settings, because it always works. I'm around a lot of car guys and the smart ones daily drive a boring Ford or Toyota because the last thing you want to do in the morning is undo your tinkering to drive to work. It's not being a poser, it's being practical my dude.

[@RNG-999]

Bro, I bought a Sapphire Toxic 6900 XT LC and I had to zip-tie a CPU fan to it to replace the VRM fan, DAY ONE, because they shipped it to me with a broken fan that only has maximum fan speed. It couldn't ramp down, it was always 3000 RPM so I put a CPU fan on it instead. Sniped the deal for $600, though.

[@jamescampbell6728]

Nice! I love seeing creative builds like this that uses stuff like the old CPU cooler with the custom mount

[@longjohn526]

I still don't understand why people use an air gun to just blow dust around when using a small shop vac with the proper attachments works so much better and actually traps all the dust rather than blowing it all over your room or embedding it deep in the system. Forcing dirt into fan bearings and other sensitive mechanical devices just doesn't make sense to me

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

you take the system outside to blow the dust out. Obviously doin it inside is pointless.

[@LuisYomba]

1:14:37 we all miss simplicity. Thanks for the video.

[@ProfTheorie]

I absolutely loved the Genesis, it cooled my >1,4v 5GHz 2500k at ~75°C for nearly 8 years. There was a bunch of german forum threads about how to fit these Prolimatech coolers on Am4 (3d printed brackets, using other manufacturers mounting kits etc) and to make these solutions available to the community, some people managed to do it but never anything that could be done without a lot of effort. Glad to see this relic is getting another life in your system!

[@DominicMalta]

I love your personal system because it reminds me of my personal system, which is separate from my test bench. I still have a GTX Titan Z in my PC, and no, I didn’t pay $3,000 for it! I got it for only $200 because the previous owner wasn’t sure if it would work. Interestingly, it’s an EVGA card. I didn’t think any AIB would produce a GTX Titan Z given the small market, and I don’t recall if Nvidia was offering GPUs directly at that time

[@alpacafursona3128]

My AM5 machine memory retrained constantly, with DOCP and JDEC. Turns out the CPU power cable wasn't seated fully in the PSU. After reseating power cables there and in the 24pin motherboard connection, it never did it again. This build is near to one I'm contributing to so this was a real treat to see a similar hardware setup get deep-dove.

[@heinzletzte.6385]

I love those Arctic budget fans, they are the best choice for reliability and price.

[@ahmetdag1340]

I think "Easy memory timings with Hynix DDR5 for Ryzen 7000 V2" video should be on your to-do list seeing u r using faster FCLK, different voltages, etc. Pls do that man😊

[@hellbringer09]

Love it. Im still using an old deep cool lucifer II heatsink with a 120 zip tied to it... Still havent found a better single mass cooler for a better price. Lapped and liquid metal helps.

[@daflipflop]

Thermal putty is awesome, I personally switched to CX-H1300(13,5w/mk) for my ASRock PG 7900XTX but I would have got the Upsiren UTP-8 if i'd purchased today. Good putty performs just as good as good pads, without all the problems you just mentioned yourself. If no alteranative TIM suitable for vram/vrm with significant improvements comes to be, I don't see myself returning to pads anytime soon.

[@umeng2002]

Finally, someone on KZbin tells people to not let their fans spin too fast when cleaning with compressed air.

[@x8jason8x]

Uhhh people been saying this for decades. Don't blow your fan bearings out. It's not lacked for being said on YT at all, it's that nobody listens. LOL!

[@elviscera4661]

I use tie-wraps as obstacles to keep fan still as well. Not because I have actually seen significant damage inflicted on header/bearings/blades/etc. just that it's easy enough to avoid and there is no need to test the hypothesis that it does cause damage.

[@umeng2002]

@@elviscera4661 I have almost never heard KZbinrs say that

[@elviscera4661]

@@umeng2002 I agree that is not much discussed, though I have heard it said at least once on an early Linus LTT YT video suggesting not arbitrarily spinning up fans. Pragmatically, I think you can clear the dust more effectively if the fan is not spinning and as I said, there is no reason to test the hypothesis that it does cause damage. :)

[@tomhollins5303]

@@x8jason8x Agree technical channels tell you this. I guess people don't remember until is happens to them. I think the bigger risk is that electric motors can also act as generators: if you spin the blades with air you generate a voltage. Spin them fast enough and you can burn out the header of the IC on the motherboard that drives the fan. So just replacing the fan wont fix things.

[@RNG-999]

This is so scuffed and it makes me feel so better about my own scuffed daily system lol.

[@impuls60]

A graphite pad on the gpu is a slightly safer option and WAY more durable. After a while the liquid metal can be pumped out from the center during heat cycles.

[@speedu_u]

I flashed the msi surprimx 360w bios on the same card, and that's seems to be the sweet spot. It doesn't ever power throttle, but it doesn't also consume a tedious amount of power. It typically hovers 320 to 340 in games. Some games can max out the power limit, but it's rare. Have not tested any 3D mark tests on it, but I'd imagine that it would smash into the power limit there.

[@tarron3237]

Novelty, nostalgia and the great build quality of Prolimatech coolers. I know. I have several Megahalems

[@edplat2367]

Overclocking is his bread and butter and 4 mins in we're already explaining how he uses a cooler without proper mounting, lol. Never change buildzoid.

[@tohothewriter8002]

Is it weird that I enjoy your rambling videos more than I know I probably should? Because I do without a care in the world. Getting a 7800X3D and Gigabyte B650 board tomorrow myself also. So now I have an idea of what to expect. 🤗

[@creaturedanaaaaa]

Does the heatsink cover the entire rim of the fan on your gpu? It's possible you're losing a lot of air around the heatsink and smaller fans might get better temps.

[@edplat2367]

Can we get a sponsor to give buildzoid a new test bench and cooler please.

[@robhap6939]

My 3070 is on two regular p12 fans and it runs at 80 degrees at full fan speed. Best part is that the stock fans weren't even broken...

[@commanderoof4578]

1:05:22 CXH1300 13.5w/km putty then... beats out all pads ive tried including the thermal-right odyssey pads i paided 10x more for when they where hard to get

[@j.r.huffnstuff3549]

I'd imagine you could just have a rad + 2 or 3 120mm fans sit upright with a couple of foot brackets on one end using the threads that are there, like washers. Which, then you could point fan exhaust over the memory. Then you would just need to remove the block on the cpu and the aio/rad could be moved around when testing other processors. Would be slightly more cumbersome, but you would have more headroom to tinker.

[@chrish116]

maplin i used to love that place !!!

[@saddlesore_adventures]

how many watts does 7800x3d and mobo pulls at idle?

[@Roy88772]

I think you are right, the heat sink on RTX 4070 Ti TUF is to small, but this is why this card is relatively small for RTX 4070Ti i think.

[@arturb5152]

Do You see any diference betwen 5.0 or 5.22 in games ?

[@cracklingice]

I don't know why I thought AMDs boost solution made the BCLK OC useless. I thought I had heard that their algo would just not boost the multiplier higher in order to target the 'correct' final speed.

[@ChrisJackson-js8rd]

it might be ddr5 memclock specific if the controller somehow ends up with an offset in it memory table so every "row" actually crosses a row boundary and then the issue would need cmos clear but even the most modest settings would be unstable till cmos was cleared just a guess

[@riley9768]

fps > visual quality based

[@griffin1366]

Yep. Growing up on the PS1, Nintendo 64 etc. Modern graphics on low are more than enough. Motion clarity and input latency matter far more.

[@username8644]

Using the PC for real workloads > video games

[@TriNguyen-he7xk]

@@username8644 are games a fake workload then? Are the calculations in a game not actually math?

[@Kiki-lc3ng]

Thermal putty is great, it dropped my VRAM & core temps by a lot. RTX 3080 Founders Edition GPU core: 5.4C drop GPU hotspot: 7.0C drop VRAM: 10.0C drop

[@JanghanHong]

That looks like a Lian Li test bench, I forget the model number, but I have the ITX version. I wish the front usb headers were easier to find, I can't find one for mine so I never built a semi-permanent build on it.

[@stephanhart9941]

Sweet Case!!!

[@jetpil0t]

I tried taking the shroud off my EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, zipped on 2x Noctua PPC 120mm fans and even at 2500 rpm, the stock 3x fans and shroud still perform better. I figured the shroud has to add enough air pressure to offset the lesser airflow. I even re-pasted using Thermal Grizzly Extreme. Only 5c worse, but still worse never made sense. Went back to stock and the re-paste alone was 5c better. NFI?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

this thing ran hot even on the original shroud.

[@Akkbar21]

I have a 3080 12gb strix. I’d like to put some noctua fans on it to be quieter, given the heatsink is a monster. I’m never going to tho because I expect quirky issues like you describe. 🤷‍♂️

[@Just-Random-Gamer]

Any suggestions on thermal patty? Was considering that as well.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I just have a bunch of TG-PP10 and I think that stuff is now discontinued.

[@simoSLJ89]

Can the Air Duster cause problems related to static electricity?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

It shouldn't since this one is specifically designed for cleaning electronics I haven't noticed it ever getting all staticy. My vaccum cleaner on the other hand definitely does build up a statci charge on the tubing.

[@mapscorp]

36:00 that's why i disable then all, MCR, GDM, PWD, te boot time now its fine

[@dixielanddigital7952]

MCR issue is not only Gigabyte. This just happened on my NZXT B650E. I run your 6200 memory settings and then one day blue screens just loading Windows.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

That's just a rebranded Asrock board isn't it?

[@dixielanddigital7952]

Yes

[@borealeone]

Not just am3, also socket 939 and am2

[@TheFlagshipLab]

I’ve tried to find this bench. Currently on some extruded wobbly thing for my daily.

[@p1st0ls44]

My msi board had issues with mcr enabled... So i just leave mcr off.

[@Boobliker29]

same

[@anthonyc2159]

Dusting it once a week will prevent dust from embedding and it doesn't take more than 3 minutes.

[@tomstech4390]

Actually we've had the same amd cooler clips from socket 754 (athlom64) in 2003 till now. Have done that heatsink swap for the lolz

[@blazingmatty123]

For a system like this where you're changing cpus often I'd honestly just get one of those cheap radiator stands off of aliexpress and some nice koolance QDC's paired with like, a reasonable 420mm or 560mm radiator or something

[@Wasmachineman]

wat, BZ never switches CPUs lol

[@blazingmatty123]

@@Wasmachineman Definitely haha

[@Delerium04]

I love the build and the Craftyness!

[@blgDemon]

1h 15min video length? A bit short for my taste, but I'll take it

[@elviscera4661]

I commend you for thinking outside of the box and making our world better one less aquarium at a time.

[@Iopipimps]

assuming people cold boot their pc like normies, what has been the least annoying with ddr5 training errors among the brands?

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

what are those sleeved sata cables?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Came with a gigabyte motherboard.

[@Arashmickey]

Oh hey, a Prolimatech Genesis. No... that second heatsink is part of the GPU, silly me. But wait, a third heatsink in the back? It _is_ a Prolimatech Genesis! Thus a complete account of my brief yet total discombobulation.

[@chomper720]

Amazing now I can use my FX CPU cooler on my future AM5 system in the future! :D

[@rrekki9320]

I have the same air duster, that thing has some brutal power :D

[@julfy_god]

deshrouded with arctics. one of us!

[@dankvader420]

Is it me or does every CPU buildzoid has have a terrible memory controller?

[@azjeep]

I hate YT they removed your channel I had to search your name to find ya they weren't even suggesting your videos!

[@McFlipplenipps]

I've been running 7800 C32 at 1.75v with my 7800X3D on a B650M Elite AX for about 6 months and haven't had any issues so far (I have an 80mm Noctua fan over the dimms)

[@rankcolour8780]

Why? A single CCD chip like 7800x3d is very bandwidth crippled what benefit do you have over lower MT/s and tighter timings and latency? (Edit: This is a genuine question)

[@McFlipplenipps]

@@rankcolour8780 I'm just running this for fun and hvm isn't working for me when using 1:1 so this gives the lowest latency atm, all timings are minimized. On a previous bios I benchmarked 7800c36/2167 vs 6400c30/2133 across 11 games and found no significant performance difference - 7800 was 0.5% faster on average. The testing was rough - only using built in benchmarks but I checked it was all cpu limited and used a 4090 at 1080p.

[@McFlipplenipps]

​@@rankcolour8780 Just for fun, and hvm isn't working using 1:1 for me atm so the only way I can run silly voltages is 2:1. I don't use my system for work - just play. I previously tested 7800c36/2167 vs 6400c30/2133 on an 11 game benchmark and found no significant performance difference - 7800 was 0.5% faster on average. The testing was rough - just using built in benchmarks but I checked it was all cpu limited and used a 4090 at 1080p and an average of 3 runs. Most of my actual gaming is GPU limited anyway so it doesn't matter - I just like running 7800c32 at 1.75v for the hell of it and to see what happens long term. (8000 boots into windows but I could never get it stable)

[@McFlipplenipps]

@@rankcolour8780 It's just for fun

[@rankcolour8780]

@@McFlipplenipps Perfectly fair answer and I understand completely. I do a lot of over/under volt/clocking just for the hell of it. I once turned a 9900K golden sample into a 90w part with a crazy undervolt down to 1.0v. It was a genuine question, I know the copy speed still scales with higher mt/s and wondered it that's what you were chasing. Thanks for replying 😁😁

[@wewillrockyou1986]

The real hardcore thing is not stress testing your system tbh

[@yukolos]

i can edit this video down to 30 seconds without losing any key points

[@rankcolour8780]

Not see that cooler in a while, nice.

[@CarlosDiaz-is8cu]

does any electric air cleaner works? or does it need to be ESD safe or something like that?

[@MichailGreshishchev]

Doesn't the 3d cache sit on top of the die and work as an insulator between the core and the ihs?

[@Alexandra-Rex]

For a very good blower for the PC and other things, Amazon sells one called _XPOWER A-2 Multi Electric Computer Duster._ It's corded, so no batteries that will go bad and it has a very easy-to-clean filter.

[@ghostlyinterceptor7756]

silverstone mist 420 with the top fans is a nice aio i got one with 5 70mm fans facing my memory and trust me it helps allot

[@timothydavies5337]

morning brother

[@spinkey4842]

whats the max watts for this cooler? i haven't seen this thing since i was a wee one

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Well the 7900X with a 230W PPT runs cooler with it than the 7800X3D does so 200W+ for a normal CPU.

[@nicholasgiobbi279]

How is your fan noise?

[@lucilaci]

i use got the same lian li open case in silver since 7 years. :) i thought it would get dusty but i only have to clean less than two times a year. i have it on my table.

[@SlyNine]

What I like to do is connect a generator to the fan heads and hope for the best.

[@SolarisUK]

Would nail polish have the same affect as the plasti dip as an alternative?

[@Wasmachineman]

On CPU caps? Yes, I LM'ed a 940XM and used clear nail polish to protect the decoupling caps right next to the die.

[@SolarisUK]

@@Wasmachineman Thanks for your reply. Im referring to around the die on the outside and on around the memory modules basically the same setup as buildzoid but with nail polish to stop any LM going underneath the ram chips or the gpu die

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@SolarisUK I'm not sure how well nail polish works for filling gaps

[@SolarisUK]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thanks for replying :) I assume you used a brush to apply the plastidip

[@ChrisJackson-js8rd]

im having disturbing flashbacks to the printer from office space lol i mean with a typical air compressor, you'd pretty much have to be trying to blow out a fan header even..... assuming everything was in good working order... i wouldnt say its impossible - highly improbable. you can definitely generate enough power back into the board to turn on some leds tho there should some reverse current protection on the board. just a diode i would think is fine but there should definitely be a diode

[@ChrisJackson-js8rd]

like for some context i dont even typically tie the fans back or anything i just avoid spinning them up for more than second or two and keep moving if ones real dusty ill hold it with my hand and give er

[@Demonik1231]

00:13:45 - i think i forgot to mention something... 01:15:30 - thanks for watching and goodbye :D

[@justingreen4450]

Theoretical Softshell Under Guessing.

[@pavelstoikov3780]

yes we have sound now 😁😁

[@Jeff-1337]

Hard to tell without more photos of your case but I would bet if you gave someone who knew their way around a machine shop a 3D model of your case, they should be able to make something that extend higher the arms that make the handle.

[@KG4949-r9f]

Overclocking ADA is pointless. my 4070 Super at 165W with +200MHz is just ~2% slower than at 240W.

[@Wasmachineman]

Better off maxing out the VRAM instead.

[@x8jason8x]

You daily that GPU? I don't understand. Nice cooler though!

[@radmanace]

👏

[@sporadicentertainment9253]

Orange says c40 vs zen timings c30?

[@cts006]

XMP (in orange) vs actual timings.

[@Wasmachineman]

Watching BZ ramble about PC crap makes me a XOC genius overnight!

[@butanding1987]

I wonder what happened to the video that he deleted because it had no sound.

[@ulamss5]

Why do manufacturers use thermal pads instead of just designing the heatsink better and using non conductive thermal paste for less pressure sensitive components like ram?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

because memchips don't all sit at the same height and they aren't designed to take significant mounting pressure.

[@outlet6989]

I'm planning to make a video about cars. Did you know that the more parts stickers you place on your car, the faster it will go? That PC sitting on the ground looks like a power washer.

[@Platinumcoated]

DESHROUD GANG !! gpu fans are the worst. Had a fan bearing on a ROG 2070S get loose and start making noise after a year. Deshrouded that and never looked back. The heatsink seemed good on that though, it could stay at like 60-65°C with 120mm noctuas running at 1200rpm (which is basically borderline inaudible) at 280W. After some time I switched to an MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio and it was way worse. The stock fans on that made a really bad type of noise that even when it was fairly quiet, it was annoying and audible through my headphones. So those went right away. However after testing the card I couldn't get it to any acceptable temperatures, had it opened like 5 times, repasted, repadded, still shit temps (75°C at 260W with those same noctua fans), so in the end I went and bought an aftermarket cooler by Morpheus. Temps dropped by like 10 - 15°C, so yea, I really believe the heatsink matters too, and in the case of MSI it was utter trash. So that's an option for GPU temps - Morpheus heatsink

[@butanding1987]

We need you to use "less boring" memory settings -- shoot for 8000 because you have an Aorus Master.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I haven't managed to get 8000 to work on anything but a tachyon so I'm definitely not going to try that on my daily.

[@Delerium04]

Ray tracing is very cool for immersion, I like it

[@packman67ny]

Sorry but any TLDR?

[@Haxete]

Hey, just checking if u have any video on general ddr5 ram timings/tweaking. Getting a new build with 7800x3d, MSI x670e mobo and Patriot DDR5 RAM 32GB (2X16GB) 7000MT/s CL32 UDIMM Currently im running mobo and sticks from this vid and similarly tweaked. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaXYlIaLdpqHhas&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking These are the timings of the ram on XMP: • Tested Frequency XMP Profile 1: PC5-56000 (7000MT/s) • Tested Timings: 32-48-48-96 • Tested Voltage for XMP Profile 1: 1.45V • Tested Frequency XMP Profile 2: PC5-54400 (6800MT/s) • Tested Timings: 34-44-44-84 • Tested Voltage for XMP Profile 2: 1.4V • Tested Frequency XMP Profile 3: PC5-52800 (6600MT/s) • Tested Timings: 34-40-40-84 • Tested Voltage for XMP Profile 3: 1.4V

[@sparklingion]

he has a video called easy ddr5 timings, use that. you are also running in 2:1 mode which = byebye performance unless you are running 7600+mhz vs 1:1 6000mhz, if you can run 6200 in 1:1 then you need to run 7800-8000mhz in 2:1 to compete depending on timings.

[@Haxete]

​@@sparklingion Alright thanks alot for the information, I picked patriot viper for ram since i was running them in my current ddr4 build, Would you say its a good choice again for ddr5 or is there any better options?

[@sparklingion]

@@Haxete Ram manufactur doesn't matter too much (though some imo have better populated pcbs than the lower brands or kits) what really matters if it is hynix memory sticks over samsung or micron for ddr5. You can always look up your ram model # in the memory QVL tab on motherboard websites or check cpu-z to see if it is hynix. M die isn't really made anymore (except for 24-48gb sticks) so expect it to be A die, which is good ;P

[@Haxete]

@@sparklingion "The Patriot Viper Venom 5 GAMING DDR5 RAM 32GB (2X16GB) 7000MT/s CL32 UDIMM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit - PVV532G700C32K features the latest H5CG48MEBDX014 (M-die) chips from SK hynix1"

[@zachariekelley]

14900hx ,4080 laptop. :D

[@fracturedlife1393]

ah we're back! this may inform a purchasing decision this weekend 😅l my 69xt gamingZ has the two arctics mod lol. shitty heat pipes cold plate. Cant get anything else to fit as the hole spacing isn't square 😭 damn gigabyte seed you and still only winning by default hahahaha

[@Arashmickey]

Cut the paddle, get Mel Brooks in there to nip the tip!

[@sasquatchcrew]

I just use my shop air about 120psi and blow that shit out never had a problem with fan headers even on garbage pc's I never cared about

[@Mxgtumgoten]

No Nf a12 fans on gpu :(

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

if I wanted expensive fans I'd get Phanteks T30s.

[@creaturedanaaaaa]

This case almost seems made for that stupid jiushark cooler lol

[@shaneeslick]

WooHoo! No Views 0👍 & no Buildzoid "First Comment" 😂😂 Yeah the Plastic AM Clip Mounts are the same where the cooler clips

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

You don’t damage fan headers, why this disproven myth exists is beyond me. You should know this Buildzoid, we know what a diode does yes? Just hold the center of the fan with a finger to keep it from spinning.