Saving an Old Flagship GPU From The Dump

[@rasmachris94]

"you're in the studio dave..."

[@Goreface69]

Dave's not here man

[@arrivedknight7632]

Dave: I dont care

[@JohnWalshLegend]

'Why do You keep calling me Dave? It's Rodney'..........

[@WoofnSmash]

Imagine in 10 years the 2080ti could be in this same recycle spot

[@MrDox90]

I don't think so. Because 4k or 8k is not at all NEEDED standard 1080p is way more than enough for most people that makes 4k capable cards relevant for many years to come. In 10 years maybe the low end 1070 or 2060 will be, but the high end ones, not so much. I think even in 10 years a 2080ti will run most games at low maybe even medium at 1080p, and will not be regarded as junk. Heck it's almost 4 years since the 10xx series launched, and I would say 1080ti is still king if you disregard RTX (which is pointless in my opinion anyway). We are currently reaching a top end limit on how much power a gpu can have. Unless we come to a big break trough in new technologies and thus make regular gpus totally obsolete, then no. I think it will be priced at least around 100ish dollars in ten years.

[@Tokaisho1]

@@MrDox90 Makes you wonder what 10 years has to offer, where we were in 2009 to now.

[@PorWik]

Diddleshot yeah but at the same time rate of progress has been slowing down

[@Draggao]

@@PorWik i think in 10 years the progress is gonna be amazing, scientists are already creating carbon nanotube processors, it's Just a matter of time.

[@MrViki60]

@@Draggao lmao

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

It was really around the GTX2XX Series that AMD was bergining to make some major leaps where Nvidia really wasnt. Its nice that a lot of titles like Fortnite, and GTA V will run properly without having to mess around with too many drivers. Nice find.

[@vincentas1]

Budget-Builds Official You should do some video together.

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

My Logic: Not my call.

[@swag-cc4uc]

I miss the 5000 series release

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Dalle Smalhals: Pretty sure the X800 worked out better value. More performance, at a lower price. Also much cooler name.

[@mumijaratnik4244]

What is better gt 1030 or gtx 750 overcloked by me :) 1gb ddr5 .

[@vincentas1]

How to create a tech channel? Go to a junkyard

[@N4XTY]

My Logic That sure

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

My Logic I work at an electronics recycling plant, basically infinite content for my channel!

[@vincentas1]

McG Tech Ok just subed for the content.

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

My Logic I won't let you down, haha. All sorts of wacky stuff comes through the recycling plant!

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

Chris Schuler It is pretty surprising what some people consider "junk" and just throw away

[@MuhammadAli-jd2ut]

You are so lucky to have found this card from the dump. Finding something like this would absolutely make my day. But I live in Pakistan, and electronics are more expensive here so companies and businesses don't just throw them out, but instead sell them off when they don't need them anymore.

[@IchRockeInDerDisco]

#DaveGamingInHD

[@fourtrax4ever]

#RandomDaveInHD

[@HaydenH]

#DaveRandomHDIn

[@nicholas132edm]

#HDInRandomDave

[@Draffen]

#RandomHDInDave

[@HaydenH]

#HDRandomInDave

[@hidenname541]

THE ALL MIGHTY SEAGULL HAS RAISED

[@runforestrunfpv4354]

At least they dont seem to have an Ibis problem there.\

[@hamzakais1762]

Risen

[@bibasik7]

*THE ALL MIGHTY SEAGULL HAS RYZEN

[@akeiai]

@@bibasik7 correct.

[@earlhechanova2519]

DAVE!

[@neurobioboy]

A video is always cooler with Dave!

[@FatheredPuma81]

It's a pretty nice card. I remember getting it back in 2016 for $30 to mess around with and I ended up using it as my main GPU for like a month instead of my 750 Ti. Plays Battlefield 4 at 768p Ultra @ 40-50 FPS.

[@LocoMe4u]

GeForce GTX 285 Experience the hottest games at mind blowing frame rates, or go beyond traditional 3D graphics with Graphics Plus™ and experience GPU-accelerated NVIDIA® PhysX™ gaming effects, Stereoscopic 3D, and lightning fast video and image processing. -Nvidia

[@ayuchanayuko]

Under a bridge too far hottest games Hottest Yep, and it gets even hotter with Fermi >:)

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

They even called it how clock. Atleast they had to work with less shaders and smaller dies.

[@tectoz3672]

Ekks deee

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The generation after that got even better. With included grill.

[@LocoMe4u]

@Richard Griffiths calm down and get yourself a nice cold GTX2080ti

[@MidSpecBenchmarks]

Dave: - No recording today, human!

[@alr]

That thing is a beast compared to my gpu xD

[@pc-broke8348]

What Gpu do you have ?

[@Mrfailstandstil]

ati 9200?

[@Daddy_Dagoth]

the heck is this

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

There is no excuse to have a slow gou today, I bought a pair of rx 560's for $100 each new.

[@silverwerewolf975]

Gts 450 xD

[@pdamon78]

I've been watching all your old posts and you've grown up a lot since the beginning. Love old hardware too.

[@PatGamingApasStyle]

2:30 So Dave doesn't like graphics cards huh

[@owenjbrady]

I bought one of these brand new 10 years ago it was like $560 CAD as I recall... most I have ever spent on a GPU (doesn't seem like much these days tho) I went all in for once and it paid off that card kept up for a solid 5 years.... only reason I replaced it is because a cap fell off the board not sure how that happened... it still posted and worked but I felt it was about time for a new card about 7 years into owning it ... mine was the XFX version great card still have it!!! it did have coil whine just like yours under load and it would use upwards of 325w!!!!

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

I love my job at a recycling plant because I find all sorts of cool tech, which is great for content on my channel!

[@WarcosTec]

McG Tech spam ninja

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

Marcos Mb, I don't mean to spam, I just wanted to post another comment as I got further in the video. I will delete it.

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

Daniel Combs I had another comment on this video about a crossfire concept, and I already deleted it because it seemed a little "spammy", just because I commented twice so early

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

Sammy So basically I got really lucky. Before I started working there, I went to the plant and asked if I could buy any old computers, and as I was about to buy the computer parts, the owner introduced himself and I got his business card and we exchanged info, and he said there may be an opening in the future. About a month later I get contacted, after 2 weeks of temp work, I got hired! I love it, and definitely recommend working at a recycling plant if you are interested in tech. (Plus I also get great discounts!)

[@SummonerArthur]

McG Tech congratulations. You just got annother sub

[@StompySan]

I remember that design like the back of my hand. I won a GTX 260 at a local LAN party when I was really just starting to get into PC gaming. That card kept me running for a very, very long time, and even still lives on in my parents' rig, handling The Sims like an absolute champ. Also like the lack of the sticker as well. I had the BFG card, so the sticker wasn't the worst. It was still nice to remove and have a clean reference design.

[@marjopardo7242]

My friends trash is my treasure. Hp laptop broken screen but it has core i5 3rd gen intel hd 4000 4 gb 1600hz. Connect it on my 32 inch hd tv. Bought a simple gaming keyboard mouse bundle and play dota 1 online rgc on 720p high. 64 fps lock.

[@imkyolet]

That's... My exact laptop specs...

[@beastlypear2594]

marjo pardo that was my old laptops specs but mine had 8gb of ram instead

[@usamadar4827]

Dave the party crasher lol really love your videos man keep it up i really like how you explain everything about gpus and cpus seriously you deserve more subscribers huge tumbs up

[@sammymorini9748]

With all the hardware you're cleaning, may want to invest in an air compressor rather than spending it on cans :)

[@jessicawinnefeld2967]

The air in the cans are treated so that there is no moisture in the gas that comes out. If you used an air compressor on a computer, the moisture in the air in combination with the pressure would most likely kill the computer.

[@kevinragsdale6256]

@@jessicawinnefeld2967 they make water separators for air lines.

[@Tc4ify]

@@jessicawinnefeld2967 Most likely kill the computer? LMAO!

[@saevaveritas8744]

You should set task manager to always be on top. It helps a lot when dealing with black screens and frequent crashes and saves you from having to sign out then sign in again.

[@MrRiadon]

Old comment but I didn't know this was a thing, you've saved me a lot of future trouble

[@3point1.2]

I had the 280 back in the day. The first card done the exact same, crashed as soon as I installed the drivers but the replacement was a beast to go along with my q6600

[@KalebKronic]

Up until a mobo failure a couple of years ago finally did my system in, I was still using a BFGTech GTX260 OC and Athlon 9950BE and played most the games you showed on here with it. Was a hell of a good system to me for about 8 years.

[@Vitaliuz]

"One of my favorite in the series" *[shoots a door]*

[@drysaddle]

You're content is amazing, all you're missing is the professional grade videos, better camera, better lighting and more cutting back to you in a well lit and nice looking studio.

[@fantherailsbc]

dave the seagull made me laugh so hard xD

[@ugzz]

The GTX 260 was my first ever SLI setup. i have a place in my heart for these GTX 2xx gpus!

[@sankara1]

Dave gaming in HD 😂

[@omarsamirhain3299]

Yaah enta sankara eh elsodfa di

[@allenm00]

I really enjoy your videos on old hardware. It brings back memories, but it also points to just how far hardware has come. This once flagship GPU is not even as good as a R5 5600H in Fortnite and uses a lot more power too. My first gaming pc had a pair of 8800GT in SLI. That build has had me hooked on PC hardware since. Today, I am enjoying my RTX 4080 with my I7-2600k

[@Republic3D]

I have a GTX 8800, a GTX 275 and a GTX 570 sitting in a box in my basement. Maybe I should try to sell them to someone who enjoys vintage hardware.

[@Hectoricisboss]

Republic3D those are still very capable directx10,9,8 gpus and would make excellent retro builds

[@Jamzy]

Some of those are still usable in 2018. Check out Budget Build officials video on the gtx 570.

[@SnakeFunk]

"Vintage" lol

[@Republic3D]

I've been tinkering with computers since the late 80s, and that's proper vintage regarding computers. Maybe retro would be a better choice of words. :)

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

570 is still a decent card today. Faster than a GT 1030 in some situations. The other two not so much, but the 275 is also still a nice card and the 8800 GTX is a card people remember.

[@alicewerefox4783]

Really glad Dave got a meaningful role in this video

[@MrNextMx]

Last week i find a HD6870 on a thrift shop for only 75c and IT WORKS!

[@ainlLeek]

9:01 My EVGA GTX 280 buzzed like that! It was a bit lower pitched and usually happened with the framerate went below 10 or above 100. I've mentioned this on another site, and someone else responded with the same issue (BFG model). It's probably an issue with the particular generation. I was glad when it broke some other way (cracked solder joints, maybe), and EVGA gave me a 285.

[@nejcgucek353]

I saw a GTX 285 with a yellow bald man clenching his head. Was it a ZOTAC?

[@nejcgucek353]

Martin M He said it could be mine for 3 Euros. I didn't have any money on me. Regret it now.

[@digitalronin7495]

Really enjoying the longer videos. Keep up the great work!

[@mrchilled85]

i know you have done a review on the r9 290x 4gb in the passed but how about the r9 290x 8gb ? nice to see you saved that card tho still go's to show old tec can still play some newer games fine still

[@tomstech4390]

I have a 290 (4gb), a 290x (8gb) and have tested them both with (a pair of) r9 290x(4gb)'s, tested all cards singularly and in crossfire (mixing ram sizes and core counts every way possible). When all clocked to 1000mhz, seriously 290 vs 390, 290x vs 390x, 4GBvs 8GB there's next to no difference (okay a 390x might be on average 5% faster but thats like 70fps vs 73fps, who cares). All can do 1080pUltra/1440pHigh today still, they're faster and cheaper than the 780/780ti's they competed with, best bargains ever. I also have a gtx1060 asus dual 6gb and have built a gtx1070SLI (founders) rig for a client so no I'm not biased.

[@mrchilled85]

not all of them are 1000mhz tho my sapphire 290x 8gb 1375mhz on stock clocks i did a rainbow six siege benchmark with a overall 47,8 min 124.0 avg . 278.5 max frame rate with a mix of high and very high settings

[@TrueMegaManiac]

For the card that crashes @ driver install, try a re-flash of the VBIOS. That sometimes resurrects cards with that symptom.

[@82FGDT]

It looks like the new quadro XD

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The reference cooler of old. Later came the 400/500 cards with integrated bbq and the 600/700/900 with a sleek window. The 10 series changed the design for the worse.

[@82FGDT]

HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul yeah I definitely preferred the more simplistic designs of the older cards. Even the one on the 480 with heat pipes that would burn you if you touched them ._.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Make em simple and sleek. Let them look professional and not like a Transformer

[@mateuszzimon8216]

@@HappyBeezerStudios Remove all closure to get better flow

[@0cyb3r0]

One of my friends still has his GTX260 and it (kinda) still does the job for him. I think it might be overheating and thermal throttling, but I couldn't see any way of dissembling it, because it is the XFX edition, which doesn't have the usual screws at the back.

[@JT-ko2ib]

Could have cooled the card with some seagull poo. Just give Dave a squeeze. I'm sure he'll oblige.

[@boiledliddo]

good job rescuing it. That thing is actually much stronger than GT710, and 710 are still sold at mall stores in my country today.

[@andreiloghin2157]

2:55 4 slot GPU MAGIC!

[@tomstech4390]

no its for "high bandwidth" bridges ;) Actually I was trying to work out what you was surprised about then remembered nvidia are destroying enthusiast gaming :( been using an r9 290 all these years and forgot nvidia had those tabs still and my gtx1060 doesnt have any either. so go figure I forgot that was a thing, must be weird for 970SLI owners having a band aid/plaster connecting thier 2 graphics cards.

[@user-xw1vs3vw8t]

Toms Tech I'm pretty sure He's talking about the reflection on the table that makes it look like a 4 slot card.

[@Cautious_Gamer]

+RandomGaminginHD Man, your videos are awesome. Can't get any more genuine than a seagull in the studio. Keep up the awesome work! Gotta love the budget stuff!

[@MrBiky]

>2009 >$380 for a flagship GTX 285 >2018 >$700 for a flagship GTX 1080Ti >$3000 for an intermediate card between GTX and Quadro, the Titan V Wew, noVideo really needs some competition, AyyyMD (Rayyydeon Technology Group) doesn't seem to be in the best shape to compete with them. Maybe Outtel will do something with their GPUs, but I doubt it. I do trust their driver team more than I trust the others, but I don't trust them to do better GPUs than AyyyMD. I do hope they prove me wrong and we get some better deals.

[@TheRailroad99]

ATI needs to rise again :D Would love to see maybe a radeon X2xxx ... But that will never happen. AMD will kill Radeon most likely.

[@Revener666]

Yeah GFX prices have gone up more than what the value of money hjave gone dowwn due to inflation.

[@mrlodwick]

I really enjoy your stuff mate. Thank you.

[@williamorangeofjuice7804]

BFG made aome wicked gtx 2xx cards. Usually alot iv seen began to artifact. After re thermaling and repading them and running them extremely hot on purpose they usualy snap out of it. Havnt had a single issue with them after, been 4 years so far

[@Diceman82]

I had an old BFG 9600GT and it ran like a beast for years before finally dying one morning after being cleaned out.

[@williamorangeofjuice7804]

Diceman82 heck yea!

[@MrNeeds]

Always makes me smile when Dave is around, so, as usual, \o/ Dave

[@sleepingpowder1595]

saying notification squad is the cringiest shit ever

[@alaskanhybridgaming]

Saying Cringiest shit ever is the Cringiest shit ever.

[@leejenu]

r/whoooosh

[@POLARTTYRTM]

Saying cringiest shit ever is the cringiest shit ever is the cringiest shit ever.

[@earnthat]

Saying cringiest shit ever is the cringiest shit ever is the cringiest shit ever is the cringiest shit ever

[@sleepingpowder1595]

nice

[@silverhawk7324]

I would like to share that I purchase a HD 7850 from Ebay for $17 dollars. It was being sold as is and the cooler on the card was missing, however the risk was worth it as it booted up with no problems! I just ziptied a Case fan to it and now I have a kickass 1080p card for under $20 :))

[@Мирич-з4е]

Sadly that GTX 285 is better than my current GPU. But I'm saving for a new system.

[@donnythedealer3369]

the fact you have a seagull that actually stays around your house is absolutely amazing:D

[@Moshimulations]

LOL he said ddr3 instead of gddr3 lel 9:50

[@dylanharding5720]

Hi Champion it has ddr3. A lot of GPUs use ddrx instead of gddrx

[@Moshimulations]

UselessDood well this gpu has gddr3

[@joshuaminke6629]

you are thinking of the 280, hes got the 285 which does use ddr3

[@Moshimulations]

Joshua Minke not in this video he isnt he is actually using gddr3

[@omranpanda9304]

Memory Specs Memory Clock 1242MHz Standard Memory Config 1 GB Memory Interface GDDR3 Memory Interface Width2 512-bit Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 159.0

[@twizz420]

Just FYI, when testing games on Skyrim I've found that the valleys are the most taxing on hardware. Somewhere between Shor's Stone and Riften is the worst spot for me.

[@rzpogi]

Ahead of Justin Y.

[@PatGamingApasStyle]

RZPogi #MeToo

[@ghostboi165]

RZPogi wait does he watches this channel?

[@b4ldski473]

RZPogi im tired of him

[@ritacunha7070]

包育翔 no check a vídeo about him its just 1 guy

[@crowbar3]

包育翔 lol he doesn't

[@roryedwardgibson]

Always enjoy your videos. You have a very pleasant vocabulary!

[@lesliekite4145]

superb video and what a great find!! well done

[@EKSBEntertainment]

Please let Random know this by thumbing up. Blackops 1 has an issue with any windows OS after Windows XP SP3 Back when BO1 was released XP ran 50% faster. I think it had to do with XBOX 360 where it uses Windows XP Shell. Yes Blackops 1 is 50% faster on Windows XP Pro SP3. And the whine is Coil Whine where if it's user presure it makes that noise. Mine does it on 1 game only.

[@user98xp]

This is where it all began? I must be getting old.

[@freequest]

For testing older GFX cards. Some modern games that use still use Dx9 are Euro truck simulator 2 that game really gives my Nvidea 970 a workout. They have a demo of that game.

[@AlexStroiescu]

If you didn't know, in the GTA V Configuration File you can force the DirectX Version to DirectX 9. I don't know if you can do that on the latest version, but it's worth giving it a shot.

[@Siliziify]

Wow, so it's nostalgic for you guys... I was using this GPU until last year where I switched to a GTX 1080. But my old card still works fine, no crashes and so on.

[@rushnerd]

I instantly knew this was a GTX280 or similar; love seeing this card out in the wild and on videos. Few knew how beastly it was in that tiny slice of time 2008 time. Though cpus were lagging behind then by a lot.

[@hughmanateecrisis]

"You're in the studio, Dave" would make for a fine T-shirt slogan..

[@rajjgaming5919]

In 10 years the 3090 will be in a dump

[@Carsman50]

I bought one of these used about 3 years ago for $15 New Zealand and was even surprised back then how well it ran the likes of Battlefield 3 and others at 1080p. This video makes me regret selling the system that I made up with the GPU in it not long after purchase. Was a gret little performer. Oh by the way, I have sent you a Twitter DM, so please check them :) Cheers.

[@MuhammadAli-jd2ut]

Dave is the real superstar of this channel.

[@zodiotekgaming]

The whining noise you heard was coil whine I believe, my corsair CX750M previous power supply did the same with my GPU under load, its normal. Radeon's R9 290 and X did it too

[@daniellee6912]

Yes, Outlast is being capped to 60 fps. You can see that the cpu and gpu usage are quite low. And yeah, that horrible coil whine usually means your card is about to die.

[@Psyniku87]

I thought Dave was gonna laugh at him like that crazy seagull from "Family Guy" 😂😂

[@MrVadim101]

Keep it up, your videos are great!

[@MidagedgamerBlogspotter]

I had a pair of these in SLI for years and they were awesome cards. They drew about 500 Watts at load but I didn't care. They were awesome.

[@randomusername1112]

I've also heard people's GPUs screaming on Crysis. Strangely enough, my GTX 260 (i don't have money to upgrade, okay) also behaves odd when i'm playing on extremely high fps. Whenever i reach close to 70 fps on some games, it starts to crash, stutter and drop frames. That's why i cap my FPS to 50 whenever i play games. Looks like these old junks weren't meant for playing games at more than 30-40 fps.

[@wholebrain8457]

At that time(2008), I had just upgrading from a Ati Radeon HD 3850 to a x1950 Pro. A year and a half later, I would get the 6870. Back then GPUs were released much faster than today. Ironic when you consider that GDDR5 has been around for 10 years now.

[@Kundalini12]

I've got two of these cards sitting on a shelf. I got them when I bought a Dell XPS 730x in 2013 but I never used them opting for the GTX 580 that I had at the time for the HDMI capability. After watching this I might find a use for them, I have a Dell Precision T7500 I could stick them in (even though it's currently using a GTX 770).

[@CDNSpartan]

I got an original Logitech G15 Gaming keyboard for $6 Canadian at a thrift store. Only thing wrong with it is the LCD backlight no longer works.(Or it might not be receiving enough power) but for $6 I am not complaining. Checked eBay and the first original G15 I saw was going for over $90.

[@notsogrand2837]

Something isn't quite right in the BO1 benchmark. The gpu usage was between 40% and 60% but it was still dropping into the 40s for some reason.

[@bloeckmoep]

Still have a xfx 285 lying around in its original box, never saw much use and it got replaced by a pov gtx 570tgt beast edition. And even that one has been replaced now by a zotac gtx 1060.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I had a couple of them, they were great cards, the last one I had was the 2gb model, I ran it for over a year. Good video.

[@brentsnocomgaming7813]

That is some next level coil whine. Also this card is way way better than what my friend used to have until about a year ago a (gt 210).

[@liquidsoftpc]

What a very nostalgic card. I suddently remember Trubitar Reviews.. I wonder where he went.

[@Churchomies]

I literally used my Xfx Geforce 285 close to a decade before retiring it for a GTX 1080. It was such a great card. One of the last games I remember playing on it was Killing Floor 2. I had to force dx10 to get it to work.

[@WelshDdraig]

9:01 - ah, the sound of coil whine - proof that a card is being pushed to its limits, that or the inductors on the card were not the best. Either that or the fan bearings are completely knacked and they are literally scraping their way to try and function.

[@drumsmoker731]

Glad to know I'm not the only one who, loots at the recycling center. I take nearly every time 1-2 PCs home, sort out what's still good, and bring the rest back devided in metal, plastic & electronics. ♻️💰

[@thevideoman12]

I had this card. This was the card that got me into hardware. It was in the prebuilt my mom bought me back in 2009 or 10... Good Times.

[@ShadowUzi]

Flashing the GPU's bios might help the one that keeps crashing after updating its driver. It is my last resort when all else fails.

[@kristianfjr9931]

I see that his pc was really dusty before he cleaned it. Tip: check your pc once a month or even more often so you do not get the same issue... it is really a mess starting to wash the pc when the dust is already hoarding!

[@boiledliddo]

also stronger than the GT 630 that one of my friend is still using.

[@TracerX]

I love you man, you are the best!!!! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!!

[@Dav2112]

Had the GTX280’s in SLi back in the day, pretty sure I still have those cards in my attic somewhere, I have a hard time getting rid of old parts even if they’re no longer working!

[@jasonsanders1244]

Dave deserves his own channel, RandomDaveinHD

[@unimatrix82]

I was able to run crysis on an old 7300 GT AGP card on low settings in 800x600 back in the day.

[@synattyesports5944]

do u know how happy i get when i see your videos

[@luckythewolf2856]

I’m not sure what’s worse the scream of that Gtx 285 or the jet engine sound from my gtx 580

[@pathfinderproject9381]

7:12 how tf did you get it running? I have the exact same card but it won't start because of DirectX version beeing to low

[@Rendergears]

Might be worth when performing maintenance on such cards to also replace the thermal pads as well.

[@shubhamsundrani711]

"You're in the studio, Dave" 😂😂

[@mxthunder2]

glad you saved it. gtx200 series is still my favorite. did you de-couple the shaders from the core clock when trying to push it further?

[@gobrrr4820]

The reason of it screeching like that is because its fan is really old it might have been scratching while spinning really fast

[@supermarketyeast4229]

Nice vid. I enjoy them keep up the good work!