Goths react to 80s Irish Goths

[@jeannieh6706]

In the 80s everyone was called “ punk”. All the different subcultures came later. We all hung out together in the early 80s and people just called us punks.

[@stanbolkowy166]

lol well goth wouldn't exist without punk, emo also came from punk originally, "emotive hardcore" in the mid 80s, a lot of people don't know that, punk had a LOT of grandchildren lol

[@sinisternightmare]

I'm STILL calling you punks, you little PUNKs! **imitates old man ranting**

[@stanbolkowy166]

@@sinisternightmarelol, i'll gladly get off your soiled lawn, *gramps*

[@linamimton7172]

Wym punk and. Emo and other styles wouldn’t exist without gothic culture, get fucking educated. Just lost brain cells from reading y’all’s comments 😭😭😭

[@stanbolkowy166]

@@linamimton7172lol ok bud, punk was around for awhile before goth, you know, sex pistols, the stooges, ramones etc., then the genre branched into subgenres like new wave/new romantic AND goth, as well as shoegaze, as far as i know the ramones and MC5 were around for quite awhile before bands like the cure or bauhaus were around, but what do i know right?

[@Brynhi1d]

I hope someone recognizes these people being interviewed. That would be so cute if they saw this.

[@RandomGothCouple]

It would be so cool if we could interview them and see what they had to say about this now!

[@victoriablack5552]

@@RandomGothCouple when I first saw this second clip a while ago, somebody in the comments said the fashion student ended up working in the medical field (I think ambulance/emergency response)..they also put a link or a search reference? Also as an Australian the early references to goths here were Swampies, there's some old video out there floating around too...I was a teen through the 80s Oh yea and "dole" is the common phrase here too

[@wired4933]

@@victoriablack5552 I'll look for this and see if I can find any information. This guy is absolutely amazing.

[@wired4933]

@@RandomGothCouple kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGXaYoVrh5Z_osU That's where John ended up. "He left Ireland in the 80s and moved to NYC and has been living in the states for three decades. He went to visit friends from art school there and ended up staying and studying nursing."

[@user-nx3du6xh9j]

My dad new them but idk where they r now

[@MiyuMedia]

15:14 it's funny , because Robert Smth came up with his iconic look, by imitating Siouxsie's hair and putting her lipstick on, one time when he was touring with the banshees in the early 80s

[@NIMM_VOID]

"Are you stealin' that?" "Yeah"

[@RandomGothCouple]

For legal reasons that's a joke 😅

[@vampiradeathrockerbatxq762]

😆😆😆😆😆🤣💀

[@NIMM_VOID]

@@RandomGothCouple 😄

[@Antigonex]

yo im gonna say that😂

[@NoirVelours]

I'm 48 and after 35 years of being goth (gen X here) I still dress like in the 80's lol. Those kids with the mix and match DIY outfits and simpler makeup, yup that was me and still is. I have one item from a big brand, my purse from Killstar because it was too awesome and is very sturdy so worth the price. I'm still in my doc Martens and winklepickers with lots of necklaces and velvet long flowing skirts. Hair went through all colors but I went back to black (from purple) last month...still crimping lol, only my musical taste evolved as I am still finding new goth bands and artists each years, goth ain't dead!

[@stanbolkowy166]

generally i've always had an interest in everything(except rap, R&B, pop, trap, techno and country), my interests have always consisted of classic punk, post hardcore, 90s emo, 00s pop punk, 80s goth/synthwave, 80s/early 90s shoegaze, beethoven, simon and garfunkel, pantera and korn, and like my diverse interest's i dress as such, neutral long sleeve black t shirt, black cargo pants with a diy punk belt with long chains draped down to my knee on the left side of my body, black nail polish, shoulder-length hair(red dyed and faded), black eyeliner with opium-brown and red eyeshadow(and that's on days when i'm not lazy), along with ankle-short doc martins, pretty neutral in terms of other goths and their outfits but i manage, it's always been my own goth look, toned back but not watered down, before i was born(i'm 24) my mom dressed goth, had a nose ring in the middle of her nose, bowl-cut bangs eyebrow length with long black hair, long sleeve black shirt with a big ozzy looking cross necklace, red lipstick, fishnet leggings with holes in it and doc martins, i guess it all kind of rubbed off on me later on genetically lol

[@stanbolkowy166]

my mom also is a gen x

[@mindyknipp8587]

Same! I’m 46 ! Still evolving but I don’t consider myself goth . I’m just me .

[@estherwells2298]

I'm 27, and apart from wearing all black constantly because that's what I like my wardrobe to consist of, I don't dress the part at all except for the rare odd occasion. Primarily just laziness on my part, I suppose I dawn my "witch house" getup more than anything and that's just modelled upon the band "crim3s" wearing adidas gear all the time. Lol. I've inadvertantly picked up a u.k. fashion because I like adidas as a brand whilst living in the u.s. lol. I'm an amalgamation of all my different interests and hobbies. But the music will always run through my veins.

[@NoirVelours]

@@estherwells2298 I listen to post-punk, goth rock, neo-pagan folk, baroque, darkwave, coldwave and a sprinkle of symphonic metal. But goth rock is maybe 85-90% of my playlists. For my fashion style I would say I'm a mix of traditional and fantasy bohemian, but for work, well I'm a mortician so full classic black professional suit with boring natural makeup (the industry is not yet ready for a marginal appearance, but eh, I embalm deceased, pure goth dream come true profession.).

[@MyLittleMiracle89]

"Jesus is my homie." I love that LOL

[@RandomGothCouple]

Haha you glad you enjoyed that bit! I spent far more time on it than I should have! - Conor

[@MyLittleMiracle89]

@@RandomGothCouple time well spent! 😂😂

[@zariasdazzlingartstudio4888]

@@RandomGothCouple You know what I'm trying that if goth people still care about life and I understand stand you goth couples completely my grandmother thinks that goths are from this world but not in this world and she thinks tha goths are people that serves the devil instead of Jesus but when you said you wear the crosses because Jesus is your homie I understood that 😉 I've always thought that goths act a little mopy and there life meaningless I'm just new to this new goth thing and my grandmother don't want me to look like you guys because I'm a quiet walker and once grandma turns around it will startled her and if I dress up all black ⚫ like you she'll she'll get really scared 😨 when I pop out of nowhere.

[@hatedbymanylovedbyfew3567]

@@zariasdazzlingartstudio4888 I can relate so many levels my grandma and her pastor who is former Punk said Goths wear all black and worshiping Satan 🤦 I’m a devoted Christ follower consider myself Messianic Jewish it took a long time my Grandma tolerated my black monochrome and long hair . I can’t wear Makeup or piercings around her . I listen to Electric Genres and sub genres strangers and family members called me Gothic “ I’m in both Goth and Metal Subcultures long time even occasionally wear clothing black with contrast colors still get it the label all shocked 😳 wear color is ironic when used to my grandma’s church family most of them wear black monochrome outfits . I understand and relate where you coming from.

[@zariasdazzlingartstudio4888]

@@hatedbymanylovedbyfew3567 Oh ok I see and just want to let you know I'm still a girl that likes colored clothing I just need a new look since I'm born a Scorpio ♏ since there personality is dark and mysterious like a Ninja.

[@jm7578]

I’m in my 50s and I a teenage girl asked me “Are you goth” yet based on her sincerity I told her yes, in that it’s the culture I have embraced since I was 12. She was pleased that an adult identified with the culture. So many people and they grow up leave behind their love of some thing because they don’t think it’s age-appropriate I’ve always thought that was a silly way of thinking. My Music is got my dress style is Goth, my art is goth I don’t want to give it up🖤

[@PuppyBIood]

Love this

[@BekeDownes]

I love that this happened. I remember an illustration that said “be the goth queen you wanted be when you were 12” and I just loved that.

[@sophisticatedPJs]

25:02 To be fair, Siouxsie didn't really consider herself goth and had quite a bit of punk music. Although she was popular in the goth scene and influenced a lot of the music and fashion we have today, she did have more of a punk lean so I can see oldschool punks being inspired by her too ^^ As far as "standing out", it was really a lot more of a political statement back then to dress alternatively, which was important to punks of that era. It's not like they just wanted clout, they wanted to change the way that society views and treats people, and they did, at least to an extent. We still have a little way to go, but they did a lot for changing the public perception and normalizing dressing for yourself and not for anyone else. I think that's really cool.

[@TheInfamousLegend27]

i agree, back then you'd get the shit beaten out of you for having a non-conformant hairstyle, it was pretty juvenile. thankfully we've at least gotten past it mostly, which is great. i also agree with your comments on Siouxsie, I mean she was friends with the pistols, her first "gig" was at the 100 Club Punk Festival. her roots are definitely engrained in punk, and I feel the Banshees music was more of an extension and evolution of those roots, rather than straight up post-punk really. though people are obviously inclined to have their own opinions, and that's great :)

[@lawstsoul]

Gen X goth here. The look back in the 80's was very much DIY. I did a lot of thrifting and Rit dye was my best friend. Here in the states you pretty much had to wait till Halloween rolled around to stock up on black lipstick and unusual colors unless you were lucky enough to have a theatrical supply around. The only black nail polish was Wet 'n' Wild. There was a lot of cross over between the punks, goths, post punks, and new romantics. My own music was not just things like The Cure, Bauhaus, and Joy Division, but also Flock of Seagulls, Soft Cell, Duran Duran, Sex Pistols, the Ramones, the Clash, Black Flag, OMD, Dead Can Dance, Depeche Mode, Elvis Costello, and Adam Ant. Really all over the place. My style and listening habits are still pretty eclectic but now there are sooooo many options and I have a bigger budget.

[@antipatsy]

Can confirm, v accurate.

[@AsTheWheelsTurn]

my experience was the same in the early 90's also I love that you mentioned Dead Can Dance, that is one of my all time favorites, I still listen to their music very frequently.

[@thornmallow1]

Yes! That’s why a few of us wore Rosary beads, and certain weird jewelry because many of the good stuff hadn’t been invented yet. I saw a music video when I was a kid of a bass player who wore a circle necklace that I thought was really cool. I had no idea where to find one, so I just went to my Moms church and bought a miraculous medal to create my version of the necklace from the band. Of course it caused a stir with the grown ups at the time. For the Madonna question, she is Catholic and she frequently prays before her shows.

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

@@thornmallow1To me, the rosary was a very Hammer Films aesthetic.

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

Yup. It was great.

[@OfficialSoraOkami]

you guys should try a video where you try to dress like different decades of goth and talk about the different styles

[@RandomGothCouple]

Great idea 🖤 We will work towards doing that in the future!

[@blastedcorpse271]

@@RandomGothCouple I love that you resemble a gothic Boy George and I am so here for it. Goth on!

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you 🦇

[@edwynlopez6643]

At the end of the day it’s all about what you’re comfortable with and how you like to dress and express yourself. Everyone always wants to attach meaning to anything that even slightly strays from the norm. Like “oh you paint your nails black what does that mean?” It doesn’t mean anything lady it means I like my nails black that’s it.

[@RandomGothCouple]

Yeah if someone says to you why are you wearing black then you could ask them why they are wearing blue or what ever. Why anything?? 😂 - Lynn

[@stanbolkowy166]

along with putting too much meaning into mundane things, a lot of the time people get criticized in goth circles for not looking "goth enough" lol, it's because of elitists like that that i have always had one foot in one genre and the other foot in another, i have always had a vast and diverse music taste, only music i don't like is rap, R&B, trap, techno, pop or country but that's just me

[@Lauren-Bolden]

I'm a Goth and also a Christian it's the best thing ever to confuse people

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

I feel the link to Catholicism and sin…martyrdom…it’s very goth in a way.

[@megmcguigan3857]

I started being a weirdo in about 85-86. The term 'goth' wasn't used where I was until about 90-91. Before then you were just called 'alternative', which meant that you listened to music that wasn't played on mainstream radio. It means something different now.

[@hmpz36911]

Where are you from?

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

In small towns, you got postpunks, alternative, new wavers, weirdos. Not goth.

[@princessonline4934]

As someone with a lot of volume naturally, it’s so strange and awsome to see everyone rockin crazy volumous hair in the 80s 🤩😅

[@LiisaLadouceur]

This was fun to watch! I’ve only ever heard the term Cure Head in these old news videos from overseas. I don’t think it was ever used here in North America. I’m glad it didn’t take off actually!!

[@Sanniz]

I am not Irish, but some things feel familiar. In beginning of 80s all "alternative kids" hanged together. It was us against the mainstream kids. Goth was an unknown title in beginning of 80s. But I already loved the music that later was and still are under the big goth umbrella. For me it wasn't a phase... I will be 53 in August. And yes... I will also know where that guy is today. Love that way of comments. Thanks for a great reaction video and you both look awesome. 🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@RandomGothCouple]

That's great to hear 🖤 Thank you so much for the comment 🖤🦇

[@rachellacey371]

I’m so glad those talk show guest could articulate themselves so well. This kinda exposure would’ve done so much good especially back then. People are scared of what they don’t understand so having those very human interactions hopefully taught them wanting to express yourself in a certain way doesn’t mean there’s some big scary gang lmao it’s just fashion there’s no harm in wanting to feel artistically liberated and part of a community

[@jaytheimpalerr]

The 'Jesus is my homie' bit really got me hahahah. You guys are great. You both look gorg! xo

[@gavkavOnUtube]

Some very familiar faces there from my youth. Girl on the Late Late Show was Siobhan Corrigan, worked in alternative clothing store 'No Romance' on Aungier St which was a bit of a 'hang out' for us; danced in the Afro Spot in Adair Lane ("rere McBirneys" as it said on the concessions). Years later, randomly bumped into Siobhan in London. She'd emigrated just as I had. I guess a lot did. Originally, goths were a part of the punk movement and under that label, I remember a brief time of being called a 'gothic punk' before goth really became it's own thing. Thanks for the memories! ~ Gavin

[@robinhartzell2380]

I'm 55. I never self-labled myself "Goth," but I definitely gravitated toward darker, edgier music. I'm from the U.S., and for me, Goth was not only The Cure during their darker phase, but Ministry!!!! And the way Ministry evolved from the danceable synth-pop of "Every Day is Halloween" in 1981 to their industrial metal sounds by the late 1980s parallels the evolution of the goth scene. Without Ministry, there would be no White Zombie, Nine Inch Nails, or Marilyn Manson! I also loved Echo and the Bunnymen, Bauhaus, The Cult, The Damned, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and The Sugar Cubes with a teenage Bjork. For me, The Sugar Cube's song "Birthday" is dark, brooding, atmospheric, and very Goth!!! Also, I grew up in the medium-sized heartland city of Wichita, Kansas and listened to and bought all of this music, as did my group of friends, so I'm sure there were people in Dublin listening to more than The Cure. It's so interesting to hear young contemporary Goths commenting on these old clips. Thanks!

[@nightshade1904]

I'm a primitive goth. Like I was goth before it was ever popular. I'm in my mid 40's now. I raised 2 goth mini-me's. It's nice to see how goth has evolved over time. My first video I've watched and now a new Sub. Found you thru Jake Munro btw...

[@antipatsy]

Goth has been around since the early 80s, and hit its second peak in the early 90s.

[@lil_weasel219]

it was popular in the 80s

[@MrStevesTrains]

80’s goth, my people my generation. Punks, Skins, Goths, it was a great time. Love your videos, Thank You.

[@sallypowell5834]

Dont forget about: The Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, legendary pink dots and Echo & the Bunnymen. Just some of my Favs.

[@nickyhoad7207]

It is totally the inside that matters, I'm now in my 50s & at the age of 9 yrs old I got into goth/metal bands & I've never looked back, I'm covered in tattoos, I've long jet black hair, live with 150 tarantulas & I love it, but I am also a support worker working with adults with learning disabilities, more people need to see the inside of people, the outside is just a shell

[@withsapphires]

yes, if this was 1983 then the term/subculture "GOTH" wasnt even a thing yet! the term "punk" was used to describe almost anyone that looked like this or that had any of these features - particularly the big hair

[@LadyxBleu]

This has really opened my eyes to the difference in culture internationally. In the US, even in the 90s and early 2000s, people would wholly embrace the "label", exactly for the reason you said. It's just easier to find people who are into the same stuff as you that way. It's just a descriptor. Like, you wouldn't say, "oh, I'm not blonde, I don't like labels" or "don't call me Canadian, I don't use labels."

[@Davescousemetal]

0:13 I just wear band T shirts and jeans. I’m not bothered what people say you should dress like if you are into rock,metal or goth. I just like the music. Plus I’m 43 now lol

[@NicoleM_radiantbaby]

Not sure what was being listened to in Ireland at the time, but in 1989 I was 16 in high school and me and the other goth kids I knew mostly listened to Bauhaus (plus the off-shoots: Love and Rockets, Tones on Tail, Dali's Car, Peter Murphy solo, Danny Ash solo, David J solo, etc), the Smiths (LOL -- BINGO!), Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, the Fields of the Nephilim, the Mission UK, the Cult, Depeche Mode...and hell, also quite a bit of more 'ethereal' stuff like the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance too. Also lots of Electronic and Industrial Music started flooding the goth club scene around that time too with Nitzer Ebb, Cabaret Voltaire, Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, Einstürzende Neubauten, and even early Nine Inch Nails (who I personally first heard when I saw them/him live as the opening act for Peter Murphy in 1989, just before 'Pretty Hate Machine' came out). P.S. I was also a B-52s fan at that point, FWIW (still am -- they're basically local to me here in Atlanta), but they were just one those 'bands for weirdos' back then, so it wasn't that unusual to listen to them as a goth (or goth-y punk, as I would've probably self-identified at the time). In fact, I don't remember people being super gate-keep-y about people's music choices back then, but that could've just been the crowd I hung around at the time.

[@weeoth8380]

its interesting to me how people wanted to express their style without being associated with goth culture, and I understand it, but it still makes me a little sad. Because those literally had the goth aesthetic. And then today we have tons of people calling themselfes goth because they either have a bunch of mall goth outfits they post on instagram and tiktok or they wore a black shirt once, and have never even heard a goth song. I just recently met someone on discord who refered to themselfes as goth and haf literally no idea that it is a music subculture, or that the music subculture even exists. And even the actual scene is moving in directions I personally dislike I feel like. I missed out on the original goth age and now I am seeing people in a video who resemble it better than many today and then they say nah we're not part of that.

[@stanbolkowy166]

"i missed out on the original goth age", well, the first and second goth wave in the 80's/early 90s, my mom was a goth in the late 80s/early 90s so i guess a little of it genetically rubbed off on me lol, i have always been interested in everything(except trap, rap, hip hop, R&B, techno, radio-pop and country) like i'm goth, sort of, but not fully because of having a vast interest in other "alternative genre's", lol always considered myself an emoth metalhead(gothic emo metalhead), a little of everything but always staying alternative, in an 80s/90s sense,.....being born in 96 truly has been the short end of the straw, only becoming more apparent with every new year...

[@stanbolkowy166]

trust me dude, you and me both missed out, your not alone

[@NIMM_VOID]

Yay a new video! You guys are rad, I really like your take on things.

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!!

[@gloss6969]

i just found u guys recently and i’m obsessed, coolest couple ever !!! ✨💘

[@jenlulabelle]

That punk boy is like the love child of David Bowie and Robert Pattinson.

[@bytemevv-4616]

I'm glad Goths are Goths and not Gothhead(s) Random Gothhead Couple wouldn't sound right. lol ...I choked soo hard when you both said, "See You in Your Nightmares" at the end. I'm happy that you guys took my advice and used it, it fits your channel very well. 🖤💜🖤 *Love Ya Guys!* 🖤💜🖤

[@RandomGothCouple]

We agree hahah! Omg yes thank you! We couldn't find the comment before but we will definitely shout you out next time to say thank you for the great suggestion!!

[@bytemevv-4616]

@@RandomGothCouple your response is greatly appreciated, I feel like your channel is home and very welcomed.

[@RandomGothCouple]

Aww we are so glad to hear that 🖤🖤🖤

[@sophiaw6429]

This was a bit of a history lesson for me, both about alt culture and Ireland! Thanks for the fun video :))

[@RandomGothCouple]

Aww glad to hear that 🖤🦇 thank you for watching

[@ThePlaySpace-CurtainCall]

You two crack me up. I love it. And to answer some of your questions, "heads," was a term with dual origins. It was used to describe drug users, but it mostly originated from people who followed the Grateful Dead, Dead Heads. It then got applied to many other groups. As far as the clothes, what can I say? Looks change. Plus, your generation has more companies actively marketing you. Back in the day, a black trench coat or blazer or cocktail dress might have been the only thing you could get your hands on. And, if you think you get some weird looks now, I used to get physically threatened on a semi-regular basis for wearing eye liner and having long black hair. Even got thrown out of a bar once. And by "thrown out," I mean I was grabbed and pitched into the street like a bail of hay. (But, in those people's defense, I was also kind of a snot-nosed brat at the time, so they may have been partially justified.) Anyway, some punks did wear make up because it evolved, partially, from early glam. But, redhead dude may have also had a heroine problem (he was obviously lying when he said the punks weren't into drugs. I can count the number that I've known who were straight edge on one hand). As far as the parent's reaction, I was the oldest and my Dad flipped when I came home with an earring. Back then, looking even a little different really put people off. As far as Siouxsie girl, the term goth was a thing, but it wasn't used much. Siouxsie Sioux was considered a punk when she started. Goth evolved from The Banshees, probably more than from anyone else, with the possible exceptions of Bauhaus or maybe The Velvet Underground. Once again, you two have excellent attitudes. You gained a new fan today.

[@saynesworldrocks]

"Contraception was illegal in Ireland" 🤣🤣 and "Jesus is my homie" 🤣🤣 another great vid you two 🖤🖤 🦇🤘 -J.s.

[@wradford1990]

The accent on the vampire girl, I half expected her to say "Daddy is going to send the porsche around at 5ish,like to bring me home." I never knew that about contraception only becoming legal for general use in Ireland,two years after I was born. It's a mad country we live in .Also you guys crack me up and really lift my spirits. keep up the good work.

[@image30p]

The first time I've felt genuinely happy in months.

[@gaijingabber1056]

props to Lynn on her outfit this episode, incredible

[@catbwoy]

I don't normally like reaction videos but this one was really interesting. Plus your accents are lovely.. "Sudden Death Cult" 🖤🖤

[@smokyquartz5817]

3:10 Are you stealing that? That takes me back.

[@sevensolaris]

Not sure how it was in Ireland back then, but in the US, the term "goth" wasn't used until the mid-80s when bands like Bauhaus and The Sisters Of Mercy got popular with those people and they started dressing like them.

[@RaelDanger]

This was a fun one to watch because my Mum was a goth in the 80's but in England and my Dad didn't really fit any particular label. Yeah early goth looked a bit like a darker version of boho.

[@Userrrio]

i hated how often the interviewer invaded their personal space. Like when she moved that one girl’s hair to touch her rosary. Like back off

[@RandomGothCouple]

Omg same!! The whole time I was thinking stoppp - Lynn

[@mutatedsilverunicorn]

When I was in my teens, my friends and I would just hang out at random places. One time we went to the mall to see a movie and some lady called the cops on us. She had us banned from the mall. (This was in the early 2000s) It took several years to get them to let us back, but at that point our friends who could drive would just take us to the bigger mall an hour away. 😅

[@PowerMetalGamer]

😂😂 I love that guy with the crazy hair. I hope he's still around! Great video, guys!

[@RandomGothCouple]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGXaYoVrh5Z_osU He is! Here's a video!

[@PowerMetalGamer]

@@RandomGothCouple Wow! That's awesome!

[@Ryanonthecouch]

Your hat is really giving me Cure vibes. I hope that's ok. In the Late 80's and 90's i lived on the Cure, Bauhaus, The The, Icicle works, bunch of others. I love your hat! triggered a lot of old memories.

[@starShadowe]

Glad I'm not the only one who sees 'goth' as a label XD I just like what I like and see the beauty in darkness and the grotesque

[@coryward9537]

I love you guys to death thanx for existing. respect from TX.

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you for the support 🖤🖤🖤

[@rudolfrock5802]

Im not a goth im a medalhead i listen 2 pantera metallica iron maiden and disturbed but I love ur style gys🥰

[@jasonlieberman4606]

Diversity benefits all of us 😎

[@BMetalMedia]

for the sake of titles, im a gothic metalhead, i love the look/clothing style and feel most comfortable wearing gothic attire but mainly listen to pantera, slayer, mudvayne, etc. With the exception of london after midnight and maybe lord of the lost because they are vibes lmao

[@TabithaReminiec3399]

Rudolf, why don't you correct the spelling of Metalhead?

[@rudolfrock5802]

@@TabithaReminiec3399 hahahahaahahahahhaha

[@norfolkenchants1238]

John Fiddler moved to New York shortly after this interview where he worked as a barman. After losing some close friend durning the AIDs pandemic in the 80s John pursued a career in Nursing and is currently a pallitive care nurse for the international organisation Doctors without Boarders.

[@gloomysunday9534]

i love hearing about irish history, my great grandma was pure irish born in ireland so its in my veins and im so proud of it 😁 she was a flood so im searching about the origins of the "flood" family 😊 i love you guys 🖤 🖤 🖤

[@stanbolkowy166]

my mom's original last name was O'Driscol, her dad(my grandpa) was born in Ireland but grew up in London, used to get bullied really bad in school just because he was Irish

[@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051]

@@stanbolkowy166 Should have came to Scotland we love the Irish. fkin great people... cockneys not so much 🙈😂

[@stanbolkowy166]

@@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051lol, thanks but, once he grew up he immigrated to Canada in the 50s where he met my grandma, had my mom and then 27 years later came me(i'm 24), i'm like 25% irish from my mom who is 50% through her dad, my mom is the first family member on her dad's side who isn't 100% irish lol, i do have physical traits of an irishman though, tall forehead, severe widow's peak, nose simular to kurt cobain who had scottish roots in his family, hairy chest, gut, legs and forearms, but because my dad's mom is half cree(indian) i can't grow a full beard which i have always been insecure about lol, i would love to visit scotland but sadly would not understand most of them since i have lived in alberta, Canada all my life, i do love my whiskey though so maybe the drunker i got the more i'd begin to understand them for the most part lol(hope your not offended by the last part)

[@RandomGothCouple]

Ohhh cool! Please let us know if you find out any interesting information! We should do something like that ourselves actually! It seems like alot of fun! Thank you so much for the love 🖤🖤🖤

[@RandomGothCouple]

Oh no that sucks! I'm sorry that happened :(

[@AmourEtLumiere]

Ahhhhh!! I LOVED this!!! You guys have great perspectives and commentary and yall are hilarious too! Please do more of these!!!🖤🥰

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you so much! We would love to do more of these 🖤🦇

[@LiliumPetal]

This is super interesting! Kinda cool to see the history of the culture over there! Also yall looking snazzy wazzy here! Also, Conor "Jesus is my Homie" better be a track on the mixtape

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you 🖤🦇 Hahaha, you know it will be! We both sang on that track so it can be a collab song 😂😂

[@LiliumPetal]

@@RandomGothCouple I knew there would be a DJ Peppino x Kawaiibatfangz mix!

[@raddad9041]

I'm a 37 year old man, with almost 20 years in the Infantry - ie, clean cut. Closest I've ever been to Goth was listening to and enjoying Marilyn Manson growing up in the 90's. I watched the clip that you both just reviewed before seeing the suggestion for this video. Very interesting to see how things have evolved. It's funny, because I've always had an appreciation for most of the music you guys spoke about here. Would be interested to see your takes on the evolution throughout the decades. For example, I used to love listening to Bella Morte in the early 2000's. Thanks for the entertaining video!

[@somekindofdude1130]

I am so freaked out by the fact that contraception was illegal I am shocked

[@SammyxSweetheart.02]

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[@SigmaSara]

Forget "Cureheads". That was almost main stream at the time. Back in the late 80's and early 90's goth was all about Virgin Prunes, Christian Death, Bauhaus, Diamanda Galas, etc.

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

That time was great, so much music all put together…not as much genres like now. You could like so much!

[@rubypayne4965]

So true. I just came from that interview footage & clicked on this one. I'm a bit older than you guys, I was a goth in the early 90s through well into the 2010s... I'm just an old person now, lol. But it hasn't really left me even though I look much more normal. I was in primary school in the 80s when these people were teens, I'd be their much younger sister, about a decade "too late". Everybody thinks everybody else had all the fun but it was probably more fun in the 90s because we did actually have places to go a little more often. I can verify that denying you were a goth and resisting labels was something everybody seemed to do. Punks, not so much, they were happy to be called punk. Goths were a little more self deprecating, nobody wanted to admit they fit the goth stereotypes. There was maybe some internalized homophobia regarding the makeup-wearing for guys, though they still did it, but Bowie and the 80s hair bands that kind of started the glam thing (and other men wearing makeup) was pretty much over when you got to the early 90s, EXCEPT for goths. There was a lot of negativity directed at goths in general, and even the violence that this young man in the interview talks about, sometimes just for being weird, but sometimes specifically because guys were wearing makeup. It's just crazy because everyone is so weird now nobody cares, but there is still some risk. I think goths probably still make people uncomfortable, and get lots of stupid questions. Pretension was kind of a defense mechanism I would tell people that I wasn't goth, I "...just like good music," and, "I just like to dress this way," as if it had absolutely no origin and we were all completely original and brilliant. I can laugh about these things now. I think goth style has gotten better overall, people are totally decked out these days, back then they might just be wearing a lot of dark clothing and have ripped tights (in the early 80s). You did it to the degree that you could get away with and afford, though you can absolutely thrift all of these looks. We also had amazing vintage clothes from the 40s 50s and 60s that were still around in the thrift shops... The supply of that stuff has been picked over almost totally at this point. Things were also a bit more fluid back then. Everybody sort of hung out with everybody and I always listened to a lot of different things. In the 90s I started out with punk, new wave (all of this was recycled by then) and moved on to goth... First it was Cure, Smiths, Sisters of Mercy... just as you say. Then it was more Wax Trax and beyond, more goth industrial, electro industrial, and I still have a soft spot for all of that tasteless aggrotech shit from the early 2000s. It's formulaic, for sure, but some of it just sounds so fucking good on the dance floor. A lot of music is like that. Old punk and hardcore just sounds like shit to me if you're trying to listen to it at home, but it's really the energy of a punk show that makes it a great experience. Same thing with some industrial and aggrotech- it can be almost laughable when you think about how stereotypical and derivative it can be, but it's sounds great in clubs. It's not that I have a love hate relationship with it all, I just don't take anything very seriously and enjoy myself a lot more.

[@GremlinSpike69]

I'll be honest, I love your response videos!

[@waterdragon2224]

In North America I feel goth got popular with the movie the crow, which has a good soundtrack (yes one Cure song lol) and then with the popularity of Marilyn Manson. I feel the aesthetic here was similar to the host of this video. Her look is closer to England’s goth look around 2000. New to your channel. You both look amazing! Interested in seeing what else you stream. Cheers. 🍀

[@inpuris13]

john fiiddler's a nurse for doctors without borders now

[@crawdadnc479]

Agreed that the fashion student's answers to everything are amazing. I graduated high school in 1990, in Arkansas (which was at least as behind the times as Ireland in terms of getting new music, etc.), and i know i'd heard of Goths by around '86 or 87. There were a handful at my high school. But not in 83. I guess it took a while for the term to catch on everywhere.

[@kumachan9311]

Good point about the Band T shirts thing, 2 people I been Friends with for 30 odd years I first started talking too, because of there T Shirts. it was a real badge back then as you either had to have been to one of the concerts or lucky enough to get it from a massive record store when they only usually had a few in....now it like just go on the the Internet and order whatever you want

[@DAVIDDOSBORNE]

My man at the end, Love him, He's so happy as just being himself and messing with everyone really chill dude.

[@user-unit23]

You two are so great! Just discovered you and it is wonderful to revisit the scene from the 80s and 90s! I would love to see a video where you talk about the seminal bands from post punk 70s & 80s to industrial of the 90s and beyond. And how much influence they have had on you and how they evolved the scene. You know: Joy Division, The Cure, The Smiths ;-) Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, The Cranes, Dead Can Dance, Christian Death, Ministry, Skinny Puppy, NIN, Killing Joke, My Chemical Romance, etc.

[@MeganBecker]

I still remember living in East rural Texas in the late 80s when the alternative station from Dallas came through my radio and I heard Depeche Mode for the first time. From there, I discovered The Cure's old stuff (All Cats Are Grey, anyone?), The Smiths, and a bunch of others as I transferred from a teeny tiny school in BFE to a Catholic High School in posh North Dallas my freshman year. And of course I was in band and theater and thank all things holy and then some because I finally developed good taste in music and style. Even when I worked at The Limited in The Galleria, I borrowed my dad's old jackets and kind of created my random 1970s stuff with Contempo Casuals stuff and then went on smoke breaks LOL. I still don't know what to call myself and I'm 44 years old. I'm a lawyer now and I still wear a lot of black and eyeliner for whatever that's worth. 🤣 Love y'all. 🖤🖤

[@stanbolkowy166]

probably would of been friends with you or at least tried to lol, if i was the same age and alive back then(i'm 24)

[@MeganBecker]

@@stanbolkowy166 niiiice!

[@ZLEntertainment]

I actually just saw that late-night talk show clip, right after I found your channel. It was recommended to me. I thought it was pretty cool to see :D I never really liked labels either, but I also don't like the absence of them. Humans are complex entities. I'm a little of everything: Emo, Gothic, Punk, Metalhead, and Alternative in general, really. But I usually like to be a bit more creative and say things like, I'm the Emo Bard, or I'm the Gothic Perv, or maybe even the Vampiric Punk? Eh, sounded cooler in my head. Nice video though, it was quite fun to watch. I hope you both are doing fantastic :)

[@RandomGothCouple]

We are the exact same! We are a little bit of everything! We definitely don't label ourselves as just goths it just ended up looking that way! I guess it's just what we go for the most out of everything but we are also very into the emo style and music! Thanks so much for the comment! We hope you have a great day 🖤🦇

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

@@RandomGothCoupleWhy is the goth the perv? :)

[@nw11]

Yes John Fiddler is still around and is a nurse practitioner and works in the field as a nurse for Doctors Without Borders/Medecins Sans Frontieres.

[@claudijatzandrapova3347]

Lynne reminds me a lot of Elvira; similar face, same sense of humour- you guys are great fun to watch

[@RandomGothCouple]

Omg weird you say that because Conor kept calling me Elvira when recording this day ! Guess I just had Elvira vibes for this day because I’ve never been told this before 😂 But that’s a great compliment! Thank you 🖤🦇

[@not.alexanderr]

when he said in the interview that police would have problems with them just hanging out outside cus theres nothing to do it reminded me of spongebob when patrick says "hes standing there....menacingly"

[@Hitman41k]

So cool to see you again guys.

[@Chicharrera.]

I was Goth in the mid 80's. The only one in my school. A small school in South West Sydney, Australia, that was full of "westies" a.k.a. "boguns" or working class Aussies. There was a substitute English teacher who was a semi-Goth and I admired her and always watched what she wore for inspiration. My favourite band was The Cure. I dressed and did my hair/makeup like Robert Smith. I made my own clothes as my mum was a professional dressmaker and taught me to sew at age 12. My favourite outfit was a purple paisley shirt dress that I wore with stockings and high multi-buckled boots. I attached chains to them so I made noise as I walked. I'm now 52 and still know all the lyrics to all their songs. I have a 14 year old son who also is into Goth. I had nothing to do with it. It seems he inherited my interests on his own. He has a Goth girlfriend, she's 16. He is in love with Loona from Helluvaboss. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6HFZGCfaZl-m9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/lV6QeqVnjal-b68

[@WilhelminaH]

Ok, that's it. I'm a goth-head, rivet-head, bass-head, dead-head, umm head-head..wait, what we're talking about?

[@jasonshults368]

I also like heads.

[@TabithaReminiec3399]

Back in the 70s ,a Bachman Turner Overdrive fan was known as a " gear head"

[@antonhaq3503]

When Goth first started it was seen as certainly coming from Punk. It was known as Positive Punk before Goth. There was a key article in I think Zig Zag magazine titled 'Are You A Positive Punk?', which described what was going on.

[@AnatharFrost013]

From the best of my memory New Romantics or Positive Punk would have been what Goths were called back in the time of the Late Late show interview . So I think he addressed the subculture that way as opposed to Goth or Gothic. I don't seem to remember the term Goth being used for the subculture before say 1990 but I could be wrong.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Some of this 80s fashion still holds up a lot better than well a lot of other 80s fashion.

[@nikzane]

John Fiddler (the well-spoken fellow with airplane hair towards the end) actually commented on the clip. He's doing very well indeed! 🙂 You can read it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3XSmJttf5Zga9U

[@JCridford]

New here, but love your channel! It's always interesting when us young'uns (31 - still young, damnit!) look back at the views toward the goth subculture then. I can't imagine how it must have been to grow up in such a heavily Catholic society and be into alternative music and fashion. Ireland played its part in the evolution of post-punk and goth with Virgin Prunes and U2 though :) Also John Fiddler - absolute legend!

[@chrisking6695]

Omg I'm so gonna sub! I love your attitudes, your guys' style, the way you think about stuff and the general vibe of you two and your backdrops haha. I'm no goth and I'll never be but I'll keep watching your content from now on!

[@RandomGothCouple]

Heyy! Thank you so much for the kind words! That's okay that you will never be goth! Everyone is welcome and I hope you enjoy your time on this channel 🖤🦇

[@The.new.Creator]

17:50 makes me wanna see you guys do a reaction video to goths on jerry springer show not sure if they had any really but pretty sure they did cause back then they had all the types the dude mentioned

[@The.new.Creator]

yes they have like 4 i seen right away and know are funny and cool to watch so you guys should check them out and if you like them should rdo a review I am big jerry springer fan ill forsure comment Jerry chant on it.

[@RandomGothCouple]

We would love to do that! 🖤🦇

[@RandomGothCouple]

@@The.new.Creator We have seen some of them but would love to do a reaction video! Thank you! We look forward to seeing your Jerry chant 😂

[@persephona668]

I'd love to see your interior design.. It looks absolutely stunning from what we can see at least! 🦇❤️

[@RandomGothCouple]

We plan to do a room tour just before we move out 🖤🦇 Thank you🖤🦇

[@rono776]

Just FYI, in the 80s, we did not necessarily categorize The Cure as a goth band like The Sisters or Bauhaus. To some (at least here in my area), they were actually more associated with New Wave even though they definitely had some goth songs. It is interesting hearing about regional differences, though-like the person who says that they were are lumped in with punks. In my area (New Mexico), punks, new wavers, and goths were all regarded as distinctly different.

[@ryanslaughter1385]

Me being from SoCal, I learned so much in this video alone

[@makaileylewis5253]

Same

[@roisingrant]

i love john and i hope he's doing well for himself today, much love to the legend

[@gaijingabber1056]

an episode where you trade wardrobes and cross-dress would be incredible omg 🤩

[@Thomas_of_the_forest]

20:55 After a few years now, my parents are still not used to me being into goth. They're not negative about it, at all, jist more a comment sometimes with them making a joke or asking why and such...

[@stanbolkowy166]

people generally make fun of what and who they don't understand

[@Rosealia33]

You two are my favorite people ever

[@Laszlo34]

7:58 Wow! That image just POPS "Buddy Christ"! ;P

[@bathory3434]

"if you listen to djent, you aren't a djent head, you're a dickhead" very epic opinion worth the subscription.

[@wakeupzer00]

just found this channel. im in love

[@RandomGothCouple]

Heyyy welcome in! Thank you so much 🖤🦇

[@Mikey-jm3dc]

The Warlock Pinchers did a song about morresy back in the day. Definitely worth looking it up. You'll know the song when you see it 😊

[@carrieicanhasbooks]

I hope the people in the clips see this video and reach out, that would be cool.

[@heatherlockiesmith]

I'm in the US and have been in the subculture for 25 years and this is the first time I've heard the term "Curehead"!

[@victoriahamersley]

RTE presenter "ARE YOU GOT???" Some random teen "uuh no?"

[@theharvest6892]

"Most likely a dickhead." "Just kidding." *waves hand ehhh*. lol'd at that because, yeah, it's kinda accurate

[@HonRevPTB]

John Fiddler from Killarney was OUTSTANDING, we NEED to hear from him on your show!!!!!!! 🖤🖤🖤

[@anna_nikole]

You guys are great! Instant subscribe. (Also, we must find the hilariously condescending one with the cool hair.)

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

He would be in his 50s. I wonder what his career path was. I hope he did art or film.

[@susietiktok7017]

Aww my hubby was right you two are such a cute couple this was a great video 😊 love learning more about goth culture my johnny is still a goth at heart... here's a sub, have a lovely night you guys

[@RandomGothCouple]

Aww thank you so much 🖤🦇 Hope you have a lovely night too 💀