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[@Kate_von_6]

I actually talked to Alan Jr from the Ricki Lake show years ago, but he explained the reason his grades were bad (which is mentioned on the show) was because his dad made him switch schools in the middle of the semester. Also him and his father never really got a long and brought him on the show for the sole purpose to make fun of him. Talk shows in the 90’s were pretty trashy 😂

[@cinderfox5217]

That’s so horrible, I assumed it was something like that but that’s worse than I imagined

[@heidibangbang]

Dr. Phil is still making fun of kids. Trash central.

[@cinderfox5217]

@@heidibangbang agreed

[@TheCookingGoth]

He is also still a goth.

[@308dad8]

Talk show are still trashy.

[@Ibis-of-Equilon]

I love the part where an audience member says " so your kids not doing drugs , you just don't like how he looks " . So good .

[@aspennie]

These parents are all like “I’m so embarrassed by my child!” My dad actively posts about how I’m a goth and tells me that he remembers hanging out with goths in high school.

[@5050TM]

Nice Dad 👍🏽

[@cemetery_goth]

W dad👍

[@desicatedlimbs]

My dad was the middle child and was in love with Kiss and loved "70s and 80s metal" he actually let me slide listening to marlyn Manson and main stream 90s metal because he secretively liked it. I was raised SUPER CHRISTIAN, like wear Jean skirts down to my ankles in summer in central Florida. I was goth before I even knew what it was because I just wanted to wear all black. Being an elementary school kid in 1998 I was slightly allowed to wear motocross "edgy wear" and just felt right in the world.

[@darlalathan6143]

Yeah, I knew a nice geek dad who was proud of his goth daughter! They bonded over the subculture!😁

[@unknownname882]

You got a cool dad I remember asking my mom about how she would react if I decided to turn goth because I have been thinking about it for some time now and she said that she wouldn't care because she was goth too when she was younger

[@voloantiquemalls4217]

I was actually a goth on A show on Jenny Jones “Don’t Judge me by my outrageous appearance”. The show wanted me to say I drank blood but it was not true. I lurked out in my Goth attire at the coolest Goth boutique in the 90s called Medusa’s Circle. I got picked up for the show at the crack of Dawn by the shows sent limo. I hissed at the sun lol as I waited in my fully dressed outfit compliments of the store I managed-top hat and all. If you can find it-it’s a great 90s episode. I tried reaching out to Jenny Jones herself but not sure why it’s not out there! I say do more shows like that! So fun! The prior Governor commented on my outfit and was really nice. But so many booed me as I walked out lol! Good times

[@RandomGothCouple]

That's amazing! It sucks they wanted you to say you drank blood though! Why do they always try do that 😂 That still sounds like alot of fun though! If we can find it we will definitely try and do a reaction video on it 🦇 Thank you for sharing your story with us!

[@voloantiquemalls4217]

@@RandomGothCouple I didn’t say I drank blood. I am a zombie at times though! A few of the people on the panel got paid to be there- Not me -but I really just wanted to have fun. 🧛‍♀️🧛‍♀️💃💃

[@dorelle]

Oh wow! I bet I saw you and wished to be you as a mini-child at the time. Good ol’ Jenny n her cool glasses and coke problem lol 😊

[@sisterdiscordia]

They usually pay you to be on the show? Or pay for the room and travel? my friend in high school went on Jerry and he got a free plane ticket and hotel room, but sadly he had no idea why he was there til his crazy ex came out lol. It was a cheater episode and he was a punk kid.

[@voloantiquemalls4217]

@@sisterdiscordia some got paid but I didn’t find out until I got there but it films in Chicago so they just picked me up. Springer filmed here too! Omg. We are the Mekka of talk shows lol! That’s kinda funny they called him out! Lol🧛‍♀️🧛‍♀️🧛‍♀️🧛‍♀️💃💃💯💯

[@eggiramen]

alan jr is a security guard at my work now. we all love hearing his stories of his goth days 😭

[@alangrochowski6353]

Halen!! I am more then security! I am a friend 😁 Do I say you are just an associate at Hannaford? No, I would present your title as management at Hannaford! You make me sound like I didn't move up that ladder at minimum wage....ass 🖤

[@slipknotboy555]

​@@alangrochowski6353I know it's the Internet - but are you actually the real deal?? If so, I watched this video at almost exactly the right time, haha

[@fakecat5844]

Ricki Lake was a little more open minded than a lot of other talk show hosts back in the day. She was also one of the lead actors in John Waters' movie Hairspray.

[@dorym.tomaselli6739]

Absolutely true. I remember it well. She was more understanding and saw both sides of the fence. Definitely a kinder soul. 🦇

[@voloantiquemalls4217]

I loved her in that movie! She’s awesome I agree!

[@Lydisquidie]

Came to say this 😁

[@lovelyweeburd]

She did 3 John Waters films.. Hairspray, Cry Baby and Serial Mom, so was definitely more open-minded than most hosts in those days! She's so loveable and fun presenting the show, and it was more 'secret crush' or 'surprise makeover' or 'goth kids and their parents' type topics.. go Ricki, go Ricki!

[@sativarose420]

@Birdie I came to say what you perfectly stated. ♥️Ricki Lake!

[@Raven.Nevermore]

Btw, yes Hot Topic, at least ours, was awesome back in the day. It’s nothing like how it is now. I have no idea wth happened. Also, Ricki Lake was usually much nicer than other talk show hosts especially when it came to being judgmental on outward appearance. She was judged harshly all the time cause of her weight back in the day. So she was more understanding.

[@ucitymetalhead]

Theya saw more profit in pop culture is what happened.

[@Raven.Nevermore]

@@ucitymetalhead I honestly don’t see how. You used to go in back in the day and ppl were packing in there like sardines! Lol! Now it’s usually empty to maybe 5-10 ppl at most in there at a time.

[@ucitymetalhead]

@@Raven.Nevermore yeah I didn't say they were right .

[@Areekurou]

@@Raven.Nevermore there’s a video made by Modern Business that talks about what happened to Hot Topic, it’s pretty interesting to listen to. He goes over how Hot Topic went from a goth/alt clothing store to a pop culture store.

[@essencer.9494]

I miss old Hot Topic.

[@SamanthaInmanofAvalon]

My dear friend was on this show, Gianna. She passed away sadly, almost 20 years ago. At that time, daring to be different was not a fashion statement as much as a willingness to fly in the face of convention. She was a few years younger than me. Our parents and society in general thought we were actually satanic or criminal, or both. It was a different time and our parents really did hate us. like, for real.

[@aalihte3378]

Gianna was good people. Such a beautiful soul. It was weird seeing her here. But it's nice..a part of her lives on.

[@florentino9377]

@@aalihte3378 How did Gianna died of?

[@E.B.EntertainmentProductions]

being Goth has nothing to do with his bad grades like you said. I was failing in school because I was bullied for being a metal head glam rocker. And also because highschool was very boring and i wanted to do music and art. Alot of Goth people are very intelligent, creative and very articulate. There is more to them then just their looks.

[@lumastar3021]

"You're not gonna be working for me this summer" I would be *so happy* if I was Alan Jr and didn't have to work with his dad that summer

[@ashleydawson4506]

I dressed in alternative/goth clothing (still do) when I was a teenager. My parents were super-religious, and my mom was the worst one. She would constantly ask me if I was a "Satan worshipper," while my dad would defend me, stating that Christian goths exist. Whenever I would roam the mall and go to Hot Topic, my mom would refuse to go into the store and would hand me money to pay for what I wanted instead.

[@UmGoticoAleatorio]

Like i said in every goth channels i'm sub: it makes me really happy to know that our culture keeps alive and strong in other countries, unfortunately here in Rio de Janeiro, goth it's almost forgotten... not even stores for clothes and everything else, but like i said: i'm glad that other places keep it strong, love ur videos and ur looks guys! Greetings from Brazil! :D

[@RandomGothCouple]

Unfortunately it's not too popular here in Ireland either! We have 2 small alt stores here that I can think of! It's making a little bit of a come back here in Ireland at the moment though! It's great to see! Love from Ireland 🖤

[@GahZz23]

não esperava um BR por aqui kkkkk

[@UmGoticoAleatorio]

@@GahZz23 ksksks eu tbm n! tu tbm faz parte da nossa subcultura?

[@jimmy4298]

Reunião de góticos br aqui kkk

[@UmGoticoAleatorio]

@@jimmy4298 Caraca ksksks, finalmente falando com meu povo, q emoção! Ksks

[@garethmorgan8326]

Ricki Lake WAS an actress at one point, she was one of John Waters favorite Actresses, and she starred in his most famous movies 'Hairspray'. She vanished till she re-surfaced as a chat show host in a market that was GLUTTED with chat shows, it went under the radar for the most part

[@Flowering_Glume]

She has always been an actress, the show was incidental to that. We have just as many "chat" (talk) shows as we ever did, they just suck now.

[@JadyLester]

One of the alt guests on Ricki points out that she herself dressed alternative. I think she's a bit cooler than the others, and there's definitely a more sympathetic tone on this show than other similar episodes on other shows.

[@light_and_sound]

Dude, I remember when this aired! My goth friends and I crushed hard on Alan. lol There was a lack of goth guys in our school and Alan was our ideal.

[@ElenaV.1314]

Ok so: 1) Lynn, your whole look with the makeup and hair is so awesome! 💜🖤 2) From what I can remember of Ricki Lake (I'm a week shy of 37, and it was on around my preteens I believe) she was more open minded definitely than Maury and Jerry Springer. 3) Ah, back in the early 2000's, and even 2007/08 when I worked there, Hot Topic was sooo much better imo! But things change with time and pop culture, etc. I miss it though!

[@RandomGothCouple]

Hii, thank you so much 💗🖤 I enjoyed doing a pink gothic look! We were honestly so shocked about how opened minded she is but it's great to see! You would think since the mall goth fashion is back in trend that Hot Topic would try to go back to it's old ways! We still enjoyed going there, I bought lots of Monster High stuff and Conor got some band t shirts too!

[@dorym.tomaselli6739]

Yep, I worked there too and up until 2008-2009 it started to veer away from the Goth scene. It was great to have access to that stuff then. You and I are around the same age. I'm a few days away from 38. Stay Goth! My motto is "Goth/rivithead till I'm undead."🦇💀🕸️

[@ucitymetalhead]

I wish I could remember if I ever went to the old version though I do remember buying a pair of those tripp shorts but I definitely like the modern version too.

[@borgyoh]

just want to say your channel is refreshing and makes me smile, the fact that there isnt many goth channels anymore. you guys also seem to be genuine to the scene.

[@sadbby7936]

I actually was Facebook friends with Alan Jr. He said that his relationship with his dad never improved. 😔 I felt for the guy. Not sure what he's up to these days, but hopefully he's getting along okay. Love the channel btw. New subscriber. 🖤

[@valovalmieni8929]

I love how Irish people say Goth ^_^ So cute!

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you 🖤😂

[@AlfredSoul]

Watching clips like these on the internet, when I first got into the goth subculture, gave me further confidence in expressing myself, so I am grateful for those shows having existed, even though that impact indeed often times was surely not what they aimed for.

[@celestialfox9282]

Riki lake was definitely the nicest talk show host. And, yes, Hot Topic use to be that awesome.

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

Jenny Jones was also nice too

[@celestialfox9282]

@@psychobillynumbnuts1 I never said she wasn’t, but Riki lake was definitely the nicest.

[@Alienaddikt]

You guys are the most adorable couple ever

[@RandomGothCouple]

Awww thanks so much 🖤

[@lateforthesky151]

For sure I think it’s a masculinity thing, but I think it’s more than just makeup. Like, as weird as it is, it’s not considered “masculine” to dress up and care about your appearance, or to express yourself and your feelings in any way. Honestly, I don’t think we, as a community, talk about this issue enough.

[@RandomGothCouple]

Completely agree with this!! We hope to talk about this more! 👏👏

[@catrinasmith5311]

I have been goth for several years now. My parents accept it because they are happy that I am not out drinking or doing drugs. I started out as emo in middle school and when I dyed my hair black for the first time, which my mom helped with, the school actually called my mother and said that "I may be experiencing emotional problems since I dyed my hair black." My mom told them that she helped me dye it and they suddenly dropped the subject. This happened sometime in 2014-2015. My mom and I still laugh at how absurd it was that they thought I was super depressed all because I dyed my brown hair black.

[@megmcguigan3857]

Back in the US in the 80's metalheads would start fights with punks and anybody who looked 'different'. Much different than today.

[@lumastar3021]

Alan Jr.s got his lunchbox and he's armed real well.

[@stopbeingana-hole4151]

It definitely is a projection of masculinity. Edit: The conservative host lady was surprisingly decent with them.

[@themoonflowerfaerie]

When I was growing up if I had dressed like this, my parents would have taken me to the church to exorcise the devil out of me :( I grew up in a very strict Christian home and if someone dressed alternative, they were automatically labeled as a devil worshipper. We actually had people in our town who thought the alternatives were out there killing animals and sacrificing people to the devil. If someone dresses in all white, no one thinks anything of it; or all blue, etc. The funny thing is that if you dress in all white in an Asian country, it isn't thought well of, and people use white as a sign of mourning. It's just the weird idea that someone came up with that dressing in all black, etc. is evil. But it isn't just for alternative/gothic people, it's anyone who doesn't dress like everyone else. I actually watched a video the other day about a little girl who loves all pink. At first this video seemed like it was going to be very sweet and that she had a loving family. As it progressed the parents showed that they were not supporting her at all. They took her to a pink restaurant and told her she couldn't have any food that wasn't pink; they told her she couldn't have her dog anymore because it wasn't pink. They took her to an all pink house, and told her she couldn't have any of her toys anymore because they weren't all pink. The worst thing of all is that even though they all dressed in pink for her "pink day", they kept complaining that they wished she would give up this obsession; They got very upset if anyone said something about them being dressed in all pink; and they were totally mortified about it. They said how embarrassed they were. Most of the comments I read were of people who thought what the parents were doing was great, but I was upset and felt like they were not supporting her. They made her feel bad for loving pink and showed her shame for the color by their reactions. It will be a wonder if she ever looks at pink again. If she was going to grow out of it on her own, she would have; but the way her parents acted probably escalated it by years. Who gets upset about their daughter liking pink? Really? So anyone can be targeted and made fun of for being different; even for wearing pink :(

[@thatbitchnoemie]

This fucking broke my heart

[@malkavianr1ddle371]

Whoa, total throwback! Rikki Lake always tried to keep things civil and would stick up for Alternative and Goth folks. On the other hand, Jenny Jones was terrible (which was another popular Talk Show in the US circa the 90s). The audience on Jenny Jones was SAVAGE. They'd boo and call you names. People were allowed to ask questions and Jenny Jones would allow the audience to just humiliate them. In the end they'd get a "normal" makeover. Yes, 90s Hot Topic was awesome. They used to have a whole rack of Alternative and Goth magazines and a rack of compilation CDs from record labels like Out of Line, Cleopatra, Metropolis, Dancing Ferret, and etc. And Mallgoth got started in America somewhere around 1994/1995. I love that era because those were my teen years. :)

[@mscyberkitty666]

Urgh...those "makeovers" on Jenny Jones made the kids look like dreary middle aged folk who want to give up on life! I hope the kids reached for the hairdye and eyeliner the second they got home...

[@malkavianr1ddle371]

@@mscyberkitty666 Yes, exactly! LMAO! They always made them look so frumpy and awful! In the early 2000s, "What Not to Wear" carried the torch for tacky normie Jenny Jones Makeovers. LOL!

[@mscyberkitty666]

@@malkavianr1ddle371 then there was Snog Marry Avoid. I think these programmes were made by people who are just jealous of others who look fabulous 😂

[@dragontaletarot]

Back in the 50s the long haired dad woulda been called a freak and that knowledge is lost on him ;)

[@Bright-green-Em]

Poor Alan Jr didnt even know he was going on a talk show, his dad lied to him about the trip. I watched the original episode when i was a kid home sick from school, then went on to have my own goth kid. Shes 15 and this year I suddenly remembered Alan and looked for his episode. I found that...and his youtube channel. He has a video about the whole situation and his dads illegal enterprises during that time. Alan Jr is is a gym bro is recovery from addiction but still goth and i totally wish him the best. Glad my little goth will never get tricked into family humiliated her on TV.

[@rainiaananda9327]

Older goth/punk from USA here... Ricki Lake was ALWAYS open minded. Her first movie was Hairspray where she was Divine's daughter, and the movie was directed by John Waters. For those who may not know, Divine was one of the very first openly gay, cross dressing movie stars. She wasn't trying to pass as fem, she was over the top! And John Waters was and always will be one of the most creatively weird writers and directors of off beat movies. So, Ricki Lake was a teenager on set for two movies with these wonderfully creative, and non-comforming people. I suggest watching some of those movies btw.

[@rainiaananda9327]

This was done pre-Hot Topic. We didn't have a store to go to for this stuff. All of it was DIY. Also understand that this was pre-internet, so they only had their local friends and music to come up with style references.

[@rainiaananda9327]

Let me clarify, internet was around, but not very common as a regular household item. And certainly not common for looking up style references until quite a few years later.

[@mutatedsilverunicorn]

My parents are the same way. They have always blamed how I dressed on everything and would say "we should have forced you to be girly." They've thrown my things out so many times that I had to jump into the dumpster to get it back. I am 32 now and they still make the comments.

[@sarahanna5222]

That sounds like my grandma. She hated the way I dressed and acted since I was a child and constantly tried to force me to be girly

[@nellie3176]

You can see how his demeanor really changed when Ricki genuinely asked him questions.

[@QueenWaspGo]

Hot Topic was great pre 2004. It was ok when they started making their own clothes post 2004 and pre 2010. A lot of it was that they sourced clothes mostly from Tripp NYC and Lip Service.

[@MidnightOwlOfficial]

You guys are so funny and cute. I loved these 90s shows back in the day. I remember watching them. Hot topic was amazing when it opened. I was a teen when it first did. I got awesome vinyl clothing, fishnet and elegant goth dresses. I still have the stuff after all these years.

[@sarahweesemidnight]

My husband and I met at a goth club in 2005 when I was 19. He is now the step dad to my 13 year old who with gothic parents wants to be goth. There is nothing wrong with being goth and he knows it. To bad his school forces ugly uniforms but in high school he gets to wear what he wants

[@Darkdementia65]

I'm a 57 year old goth and my parents have never had an issue with the way I look, I take my mum to clubs with me too!

[@davidphillips9726]

The one thing I ALWAYS think about is what these guests are up to now. This WAS 20 some years ago. I mean, I was a total goth teen. I've softened in my older age, but not completely. I paint my nails, I wear jewelry. I'd like to see how Alan Jr. is doing today.

[@roisingrant]

honestly if anyone told me i looked like i came off another planet i'd take the freaking compliment and go

[@beast_of_burden7762]

I really enjoyed this Video, hope everything goes well with Lynn and you, take the time you need to recover

[@RandomGothCouple]

Thank you 🖤🦇

[@davidphillips9726]

The first time my dad saw me in nail polish, he decided I was gay. For the next 4 years of my life, my name was "faxxot" or "fxg boy". I don't like even typing words like that, but that's what it was. We don't talk anymore.

[@dfreeman13]

On a positive note Alan Jr is actually a pretty cool dude.

[@skeriicain]

Best line from Motley Crues Vince Neil "just because we wear lipstick doesn't mean we wont kick youe arse" :)

[@malakk3234]

i missed you guys 🖤, this was an amazing video!

[@image30p]

I'm an old metal rock guy and I like goths ❤ Hot Topic was actually pretty good. They had metal band shirts. For goths it had to be a paradise.

[@ell0.mp3]

Omg I love how OTT these are ahaha quite funny and entertaining honestly 💀

[@LunaFicsASMR]

Alan Jrs got his lunchbox and he's armed real well

[@BoundInHumanBones]

True thing on the sexism thing. Even inside the alternative community. I once was talking to a guy online at the Dutch equivalent of vampire freaks about music and bands. He was super elitist or something and talked about certain bands. In his opinion if someone listened to those bands they were posers, losers and even "gay" and wouldn't be friends with them. I said "well I listen to some of those bands". And he straight up replied : "well but you're a girl so that doesn't count and I'll still hang out with you".

[@lumastar3021]

Alan Jr. Was iconic. I wonder how he's doing now.

[@dk7386]

Love the video guys and I think you look cool and gorgeous and don't let dickhead people bring you down in life because I love the way you express yourself

[@RandomGothCouple]

Aww thank you! And the same back to you 🖤🦇

[@Crawlingdreams418]

I'm excited for your videos about mall goth. Thank you for this video, the two of you are totally awesome

[@bytemevv-4616]

_For those who might know or don't or maybe curious..._ _...He has or had an old KZbin Channel: "Alan Jr"!_

[@rebekahb5275]

you two are like the coolest people ive watched in a really long time. much love :)

[@Jezabel-in-Hell]

1:34 The craziest thing is that Alan is 39 years old! WTF. I'm 50 and look 20 years younger than he does. Holy shit.

[@COS947-o2t]

He could be an alcoholic.

[@unknownname882]

This is my first time seeing y'all twos videos and I really like your content you just earned a new subscriber

[@akavirgil1]

Yes, Hot Topic was like that back in the 90's. Ricki Lake was in a couple of John Waters movies. I feel this is probably the reason why she accepted the alternative lifestyle.

[@grandmawitch]

Ricki Lake was the kindest one! I’ve been saying for years that I wish her show and Tyra’s wretched (but hilarious) one would go on streaming somewhere! There’s one Tyra where they have have witches and they have gothy witches that are the “dark” witches 😅 and a guy called Konstantinos that was on several vampire talk show episodes 🤣

[@elizabethgonzalez697]

Love your look!! I was gothic back in the 90’s .

[@konscienciadivinus661]

My mom thought I was crazy when I wore my Trip-pants with my slipknot shirt. I just wish people would have an open-mind, and just let us be.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

Slipknot is METAL, not Goth.....

[@chrisdavis8650]

​​@@Anonymous-wb3nzslipknot has been associated with goth culture for a long time, goths listen to metal quit acting like this is weird.

[@RandomGothCouple]

No one said it was goth …

[@RandomGothCouple]

Exactly! An no one said they were goth haha

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

@@chrisdavis8650 uh, no. Slipknot is in Metal culture. How does it feel to be a middle aged poser? I'm a Goth DJ, and I don't know of any Goths who listen to Slipknot.

[@grungygecko3680]

You guys are totally right about the whole alternative guy thing. I feel like societal norms have conditioned people to be slightly more accepting (if not fetishizing) of alternative women, because women are "supposed" to wear makeup, and be more into fashion. However, I feel because of these norms, when men are alternative, they get more outright hostility. Lots of people don't like seeing men wear makeup, or have a distinct style (caring enough about fashion). IMO, that could be a factor why: 1) there aren't as much VISUALLY alternative (ignoring music taste) men, and 2) Alternative women have way more representation in fashion brands (such as killstar, etc)

[@garylagstrom3864]

Yeah Ricki Lake is cool and in my opinion the BEST of all the talk show formats! She was young and fresh and the audience related to her AND she had the coolest opening theme music!

[@fourhand13]

Genuinely think that men getting more shit for looking different is a function of homophobia more than anything (which can be argued that its an extension of sexism towards anything perceived as feminine)

[@evaanne5546]

Yes, Hot Topic was once the store to go to for all your goth needs. I miss those times.

[@morticiafattyms6248]

I grew up homeschooled (read: I'm a PBS kid), I defiantly remember seeing a rerun of this episode and thinking "why are they so mean about Clothes??" I'm also researching Alternative Lifestyles in Media and Pop Culture, I know the UK has a lot of examples, but would love even more worldly examples.

[@hazmatforhumanity7318]

Here's some trivia for you and some background on why Ricki Lake is so awesome. Her debut film was in Cry Baby, directed by John Waters and she became a close friend of his and appeared in several of his movies after this. I think as a result she became hugely sympathetic to both freaky subcultures in general as well as queer culture, which has a parallel and often intersecting history with goth subculture.

[@Exalted_in_Venus]

Glad to see you're back. Hope everything goes well for you and yours 🖤

[@jenwendy7]

Oh the lunch box! I forgot all about the lunch boxes ❤ Yes, Rikki Lake was more compassionate and not as sensational as Jerry Springer. Phil Donahue and Oprah were the gold standards and then many tried to follow. Jerry Springer and Geraldo were the extreme sensationalists. Love seeing the young kids (and adults) of today do their goth thing and wearing Siouxsie shirts🖤😍. Great show you two! I think it's important to remember, this was the first wave of Goths (as we now know Goths) that the people in the US had ever seen. I think, if we're honest, goes a bit beyond long hair 🦇🥀🌝 And we thrift shopped, used a lot of safety pins and ripped our own clothes back then (a lot of pantyhose and fish net stockings were also involved). Hot Topic came a bit later and we were all SHOCKED you could buy stuff like that in stores.

[@mscyberkitty666]

I remember watching this at the time (I live in England). I was raised on loads of music including post punk/goth rock/70s punk but only went full on goth in appearance at 12. I got into Manson soon after. No its not goth but plenty of the eldergoths I knew at the time were fans too so! I didn't know many ppl my age who were alternative at all. My mum was a strict Christian but let me look/listen to/read/watch what I wanted. She rebelled through me 😂 she stood up to my school who punished me for just being different. They accused me of "promoting black witchcraft" & an RE teacher compared me to Hitler (I'm a Heathen therefore a Nazi?!) so she threatened to sue for religious persecution...they suddenly said it was all "a big mistake" 😂 unfortunately I, along with the few others at local schools who wore black, was put on a "watchlist" after Columbine. We didn't do ANYTHING but the schools suddenly admitted to us being severely bullied because it served their agenda. The only time my mum begged me to "look normal" was when the bullying got worse than ever. I pointed out that I'd been the main target of it since I was 4, so it didn't matter what "reason" they chose. Unfortunately, from 14, I was attacked violently by gangs. This is something that hasn't changed. It will never stop me being myself though. Alan Jr has a KZbin channel. He hasn't posted for a while & didn't seem to be in a great place on the last video. I really hope he's doing OK. Although most of these talk shows were exploitative of alternative kids, & some of the kids over the top antics made the rest of us look worse, it was kind of comforting to see other kids my age that looked like me then.

[@madblood6493]

My dad was Christian strict when it came to music and style. When divorce happened as a teen my mom let us had our freedom. She was a goth back in highschool. I'm happy to have her. Also I was really into black veil brides as well. They were my first band to see live.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

Black Veil Brides are NOT Goth. Goth music is Dark Wave, Ethereal, Post Punk, Industrial, Cold Wave, New Wave, Synth Wave, and Death Rock. Poser .....

[@madblood6493]

@@Anonymous-wb3nz LOL Black veil brides is definitely not goth. I just mentioned them because she mentioned that she likes them.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

@@madblood6493 fair enough!

[@katleiahveridian6564]

I noticed that long haired dad and goth kid were from New Hampshire. I grew up there and have been dressing extremely goth since age 12. It is a super conservative state, and I got bullied, beat up, harassment of all kinds, raped by a gang of jocks, etc. It was hell. I left as soon as I was 18 and moved to San Francisco, where suddenly I could be myself. I met others who liked the same things. By the way, Ricky Lake has always been cool. Very open minded.

[@mikeybuchanan8696]

Ricki Lake was always on the side of whatever "alternative" guests she had...always making it a point of how dumb the opposition was.

[@Wild-Moonchild]

New sub. I am a Goth from Cork, but I live in the states now. So glad to see our country on youtube as Goth!

[@KarinaLicursi]

Ricki Lake is a gem. She's played in Hairspray and Cry Baby, which are John Waters movies. She dresses more conventional but she's always been more tolerant.

[@crazykano666]

Dave Mustaine telling Marilyn Manson how to dress hahahaha

[@khaotika943]

If you have time, it would be great to get your reaction to the classic SNL Goth Talk skits.

[@itskingnamjoonnotkimnamjoon94]

it made me so happy to know you listen to black veil brides. i grew up with them during my teen years 🖤

[@RandomGothCouple]

I was a huge fan! Have seen them live so many times 😂 - Lynn

[@antonhaq3503]

Ricky was a freak icon, part of John Waters pool of actors along with people like the legendary Divine. She was not your typical talk show host, she remains a strong queer ally to this day.

[@leoniesableblanc]

I feel the dad of the 15 year old is actually being abusive to his son by taking him on a public tv show and having a go at him. Not just the appearance but about his grades etc. This is private to them. It shouldn’t be public. I am somewhat gothically inclined and I am a successful lawyer. So being goth doesn’t equal getting bad grades. Dad is basically being an a******e to his son and not being a good dad.

[@screechingmoths]

Oh dude!! Love that Siouxsie shirt! I have a similar one lol

[@maximilianschmid9890]

"I'm vronh for existinh as a part aw a minoritj; mohel sjmpatheiszrsz."

[@sickening_love1154]

When the father says "look at his grades! He's failing school since he wore this!" Shows that he doesn't realize as a parent that the problem rooted from him lol sometimes parents should take accountability.

[@lepreconvict3606]

I'd love to have a drink with you 2. I live in North County Dublin and I feel like I'm the only lad in my town in their 20s who openly listens to metal, punk, hard rock, doom, grunge, sludge and who dresses alternatively. Wish I had mates like you guys growing up. Also, the lad you reacted to in the video (Alan Junior) has a KZbin channel. I used to watch his videos a lot back in the day, he's a really intelligent guy. He hasn't uploaded in 5 years but as far as I can remember in his last video he said he's doing fine and he's just done with uploading videos, he doesn't like doing it anymore. I subscribed, anyway. Looking forward to more videos!!

[@ScottCruz]

Ricky Lake always defended the “outcasts.” Defended us gays even when it was controversial back then..

[@thedarkerwave6065]

I rlly enjoy your vids, dont ever stop posting 🖤

[@thegrimrejoice]

Alan Jr actually has a KZbin channel (though it hasn't been updated for awhile now) but I subscribed when I found it and looks like it wasn't just a phase as his jock dad hoped. Some of us are just born different and fitting into a little closed off box of what our society deems as normal just is not a possibility. And I'm damn glad I never have.

[@amiluvmochi]

Missed you guys!

[@RandomGothCouple]

We missed you all too! It was a long month away but hopefully we are back now

[@metatmongooltje]

First video i see of you guys and i already love it love your responses

[@Devilsblood]

Ricki Lake use to work on John Waters films and she was herself a misfit kid too. Plus the John Waters movies were always about celebrating being an outcast.

[@porcelina956]

I am so old I remember watching these from back in the day when I was a teen. Ricki Lake was more polite and supportive as opposed to other shows.

[@theartisticvampire2598]

I love you guys already your style is really nice Lynn your make-up is PERFECT and Conor yours too I always wanted to try the black lipstic look think i tried once and it didnt quite look right (tho could have been insecurities) I also love how much energy you have most people see goths and unfriendly energy suckers who have no fun or energy and you are making jokes and its setting a good image of this culture that we all partake in! SUB!

[@RandomGothCouple]

Awww thank you so much! We appreciate your kind words 🦇🖤 and thank you for the sub!

[@PurpleOnix53]

I CANNOT BELIEVE I FORGOT ABOUT YALL JUST SUBSCRIBED SO I NEVER FORGET AGAIN!!!!!🖤

[@guineasauras-rex]

Brilliant video guys, I'd definitely love to see you react to more clips in the future. As always, I'm seriously fangirling over Lynn's makeup :) Also, from my perspective anyway, there's no need to apologize for the gap between uploads - I hope life's currently a bit calmer.

[@lornai7171]

I'm an old goth (since the mid-80s) who was written off, and bullied relentlessly, despite being top in my English class. I'm now an arts critic (still love vintage black clothes) ... Ricki Lake was more tolerant, being friends with John Waters and appearing in his films.

[@PlushyQueen]

More reacts 🥰 this is so fun, maybe more of tv adverts from around the world 🖤

[@fuzziebunnie83]

I actually watched a lot of these shows when they came out and my parents were goth Back then you could not even get into Disneyland dressed like that. My parents and I weee almost denied entry because of the way they were dressed.

[@ziggynotstardust1882]

i am a simple girl. i see a siouxsie shirt, i click.

[@clockworkoregano]

I want to bring the positive to the front on second read . My dad fortunately has always been supportive of me. I have pressed him on the topic but, meeting his old friends once every few years, he was a jock growing up, but the kind who generally had friends in every group, tried everything once, was friends with a "bully" (boooo) but those he still knows say he would be the one to use his influence to bring his jock friends down from it. He is definitely not perfect, but.... : He didnt like my cloths all the time and made comments but ultimately never told me to change my cloths or forced me into anything (clothing, sexuality, values, career etc.). He didnt always get it - not just with goth/alt scenes, but anything in my life. Still, he would give his input, ask me what I thought and let me explain, then let me decide and not hold it against me if I ultimately decided to do my own thing anyways no matter if he finally understood or not. My mother was polar opposite. I wasnt aloud to wear black at all when I was young living with her because its "Of the devil" (wish I were joking), called me names or a dreamer for my passions though at that time I was "the good child". Generally , without going into it, not great. So I can see my dad saw her behaviour and with me did his best to support the best in me no matter where that best came from. To the grades- my grades started slipping when I wasnt being "stimulated", wasnt interested, or it was repeat (I switched schools/provinces so curriculum overlap). Just didnt care to put effort on things that I had already done or didnt care about. I went from being a top student to average but had nothing to do with my capabilities or the subcultures I was into - I didnt even get full into alt groups until about a year after my dad and I had a talk about my grades. When I went to university my studious friends started dropping grades due to transition whereas I stayed in the mid-avg level without stressing. It will probably happen eventually to most no matter what music/clothing you wear. To corr. vs causation- I did eventually go into alt. groups (I had previously liked the music but was always straight-laced externally even with good grades. When it happened, the clothing was probably more of an outwards representation of the ways I had always felt or felt more because of the moving around/external ongoing issues (again related to grades and repeat materials). So you're absolutely correct. It was one way to observe things but its not as cut and dry or a blame target as people would probably like.

[@vampgrrl]

Ppl act like goths are scary and are always surprised by pastel Goths lol I'm a blonde goth💞you're both gorgeous

[@MetalBeard_Solid]

The folk that look the "scariest", your punks, your rockers, your goths, your metalheads and all the rest are more often than not the nicest people you'll meet. We're just nice folk that dress like evil ones

[@okamidrsaii241]

my dad walked in and looked at you and asked if you were marilyn manson 💀