Pokémon Generation 4 In-Depth Review

After the overwhelming success of Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald Game Freak attempted to top themselves on the Nintendo DS with Pokemon Diamond and Pearl in 2007. Two years later fans of the franchise got "the ultimate version" in the from of Pokemon Platinum.
In this In-Depth Review we'll be discussing this incredible sister game as well as ranking generation 4 along the other legendary entries. Is it as slow as some say? Are the Pokemon just rip-offs of gen 1? Do we really NEED remakes of gen 4? Well let's find out together in this opinionated video!
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[@RandomTens]

Hey folks! Just want to apologize for this video taking a month longer than expected. Not only did I greatly underestimate how long playing this game would take me, but things also got really crazy with the channel during December. I promise to upload a lot more content over the next few months, and barring one video I'd had planned for months, I'll be taking a small break from Pokemon videos until the eventual gen 2 remakes! Thank you for your patience over the last few months and happy hunting!

[@MortixTheAnimeFan]

RandomTens no worries! It was well thought out and very insightful, and all around a wonderful video that was well worth the wait.

[@wlatno]

It's cool, man. We still love you bae ❤️

[@malibu2174]

RandomTens it's fine Stan! Just know that (I think) every single subscriber you have understands

[@cartym1953]

RandomTens I was 8 in 2007 and looking back I have no clue how I beat it under 48 hours of play time

[@zbone5228]

RandomTens the wait was totally worth it Stan thanks for this awesome gen 4 review and I'm really excited to play through diamond pearly and platinum while tuning into your shiny hunting streams!

[@lycan-zp9xf]

Gen 4 did the Physical/Special split according to moves. This was one of the most key changes in Pokemon ever

[@RandomTens]

lycan2500 1 Agreed! 12:30 I give it tons of love! Just compared to the other games so far that's not AS much. Still awesome and the reason why I said this has the best battling system of any gen! :)

[@rishabhanand4973]

unfortunately, that meant alakazam couldnt just sweep everyone with psychic and the elemental punches. neither could gengar, but yeah the physical/special split was long overdue. And finally pokemon like gengar and absol could make use of their stab.

[@legayshianimated]

Yeah no more special bite

[@Younghoon15]

In terms of competitive pokemon, Gen 4 I think was probably the best solely because of that. Gen 5 created massive power shifts with a number of the added pokemon in gen 5 and the hidden abilities (speed boost blaziken).

[@Pokemonleafmon]

@@rishabhanand4973 I wouldn't call that unfortunate... Good to get a bit more balance in there

[@jasonandrews1770]

Gen 4 fixed so many old evolution lines. Imagine if sneasel, swinub and magneton just stopped there

[@duskplains1235]

True but I still prefer Rhydon over perrior

[@ahyafikri4746]

@@duskplains1235 glad it's trade evolution

[@incandescence5547]

Swinub has evolved into pilloswine since gen 2, mamoswine was gen 4.

[@slecchi4366]

@@b3thness *How dare you say that to my Weavile* >:(

[@oimate6357]

Gligar

[@bolladragon]

This is my favorite generation, but I completely agree with every critique. I got so used to DPP's pacing that every other game feels so fast, so maybe that's just my taste, but it's still a real quirk of Sinnoh games. Also, Diamond/Pearl are even slower than Platinum. Actual load times were trimmed and general movement speed was upped in Platinum, so it feels like Gamefreak made some serious technical fixes between the releases.

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

Mindy Horn my fav gen is 3 or maybe 7

[@augustuslegs5148]

Miles still the old one We'll say 3 then.

[@leonardofarias8843]

The first two gyms signature pokemons are pretty freaking strong

[@johnkoerner8125]

All of his points were good except saying the music is his least favorite. That's just bad taste, the music is amazing. There's a reason Smash 4 loaded the pokemon stages with gen 4 music.

[@shanecoffing]

Go play sun and moon. Just as slow but because they hold your hand the whole way instead of letting you play it yourself lol.

[@rokktober-personal]

Ahh yes. The teal colored Team Galactic bowl cuts, honey trees and making poffins for contests. Good times.

[@rokktober-personal]

Also, Cynthia is introduced in this game! Yaaaas

[@nyxunderhill6437]

HOW CAN YOU FORGET ABOUT THE FOSSIL AND GEM MINING

[@SargeWadam]

This probably because of the nostalgia factor, but this is still my favorite Pokemon game. The soundtrack was amazing and I still find myself listening to it to this day. This game still remains in my top 5 favorite video games ever.

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

Ditto. The Nostalgia is so heavy for me.

[@soridosuneku]

That's what I love and sometimes take for granted with video game music. You might not like your childhood games later in life as much as you did back then but the music can last with the right composers

[@fightmeonclubpenguin7748]

SargeWadam Cynthia's theme is godlike

[@OctogonOxygen024816]

23 yro and I still play pokemon...

[@cosmicXtropics]

I played this game in 2012 so I was a bit late to the party but I was super into the cards when gen 4 was at it's peak. That being said I didn't know what the games were like so I avoided them (even though I had a DS in 2009). Luckily my friend gave me the game for free in middle school and I've loved it ever since. It was my first game in the series and is still one of my fav all time games. I got to experience soul silver and saphire after that and every game in the series but I'm so glad I started with Platinum.

[@supersmashbro596]

this gen is a lot like regigigas (which was also released this gen) slow, but once it gets going, it is pretty awesome.

[@Brien831]

supersmashbro596 regigigas sucks tho

[@OctogonOxygen024816]

@@Brien831 * gets crushed gripped in the 2nd turn * lmao

[@YNOBLITZ]

Chris Rivas *deals no dmg*

[@r.r815]

@@YNOBLITZ *kills the rest of your team for some reason*

[@m0vster]

yeah but Regigigas sucks. Wish it wasn't so, but... *SLOW START IS SO BAD*

[@BattlegroundsAlpha]

"It took me three hours to get the first gym badge" Persona would be hell for you

[@AprilsMoon92]

Its ironic how the newer games have so much less of a post game lol

[@sugarhoney01]

Platinum was the post-game peak, and while Game Freak tried to add more post game content there wasn't much they could do besides recycle ideas from this game, which is a shame because post game is just as much fun as the main game

[@pokemonchampion4826]

What about ORAS I think Delta episode is best for post game

[@macandcreamy1036]

HGSS entered the chat.

[@benjulc9271]

@@macandcreamy1036 B&W2 has entered the chat.

[@carebeelobo291]

@ definitely lacking on the battle frontier side

[@cdog1990able]

I think that between the Sinnoh games and HGSS, gen 4 is the best, hands down

[@eadc7]

Gen 3 is best imo

[@Garde_Mystik]

I mean imo between the Sinnoh games and HGSS, Diamond and Pearl ruined it from being one of the best... and the slowness... and Palkia and Dialga :^) HGSS was awesome and Platinum seems great.

[@cultofmalgus1310]

I didnt like D/P/P

[@fiasco2133]

Platinum was pretty good but not the best HG & SS where amazing and one of the best Pokémon games but diamond & pearl where the worst main series Pokémon games ever so I think ether gen4 or gen6 is the worst.

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

EMmax130 same

[@Peru101]

I’m a gen 4 er I miss those days I was so happy... my parents were together My best friend always came at my place to play together (now it’s 4 years he went away) I want to be a kid again

[@Hawtep]

me too..

[@vyalon7387]

I don't think it has anything to do with gen 4 and everything to do with your friend and parents

[@turtletony4538]

sry about that bro...

[@majintar9876]

Sounds to me like you’re still a kid 😆

[@elliottroberts764]

:( Do you need a hug?

[@jackmorris9392]

i like having long(ish) spaces between the gym battles. i feel like they are supposed to show the trainers growth and thus it makes sense to have a gap between the gyms as you should have time to get stronger. infact i really hated how quickly one went from gym to gym in oras where one could essentially go from lavaridge right to petalburg and immediatly challenge the next gym afterwards. i like the idea of having the 8 gyms as different ''stages'' to get through in that fashion since i think like it makes it feel like more of a journey.

[@alexandermiltenburg6966]

My only demand i have for the remakes is that they keep the original music. It's so iconic.

[@Max-uu6rv]

Alexander Miltenburg they wont... i hope they dont do as oras, i disnt like oras s music

[@choclitcake6622]

route 209

[@kds6992]

or atleast option to use ogrinal music.

[@perkypears]

something similar to the GB Sounds item would be amazing but I won’t count on it cause unfortunately as great as the GB Sounds was in HGSS the only reason it was even put in the game was as a clever reason to officially sell the GSC soundtrack because it wasn’t officially sold before so they were able to put the GSC music on the soundtrack by putting it in HGSS and selling the ost for that game lol

[@ericscreeper]

Or remaster it and have a classic music option.

[@aisakataiga5200]

"I can't imagine we'll ever get a core series without touch screen." That statement aged like milk lol. Great video though! Watching them all.

[@eisawsome6907]

Isn't the implementation of the Physical Special split a source of innovation? No other games have introduced it before....so saying that it isn't as creative as the others is doing the game a disservice. On top of that, there's also the implementation of Honey Trees, Wi-Fi, the PokeRadar, and the Underground Mine.

[@RandomTens]

EisAWSOME I believe I touched on all of these, minus the honey trees throughout the video and as I said I don't want to do it's innovations a disservice. However when compared to the previous generations I've reviewed thus far this one absolutely had the least amount of innovation. But that's just a byproduct of the series being so successful and having so many wonderful games to keep perfecting the formula!

[@eisawsome6907]

Ah, I see where you come from with that, I do apologize if I came across as rude in my first initial comment, I didn't mean to shit on your video that you put so much work into. It's a great video though, thanks for responding.

[@marvilra]

Honey Trees Feature Was Kinda Annoying

[@lsswappedcessna]

The mining was fun, I really enjoyed that. Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald's secret base mechanic combined with child labor. Just great!

[@KNIV3]

Ahhh Gen 4 my favorite !!!

[@Smirgergrad]

style Sinnoh is not the only gen 4 game

[@fenistereinc.5797]

to me is the worst

[@Pau31076]

@One Thou Wou Gen 5 is worse lol The only Gen 5 thing that's slightly better than sinnoh is story

[@elias22443]

Lol gen 5 sucked

[@d-rabbitfor5398]

this Gen brought us Darkrai, the best thing since Mewtwo. Hands down best Gen imo (not only bc of Darkrai, duh... but bc of the perfect Soundtrack too)

[@jjc4924]

I kinda think it's overrated.

[@seanathonhooper]

@@jjc4924 Every one of the first 4 gens get overrated even though they are my favorite

[@Dz73zxxx]

i agree in the darkrai part i mean, darkrai so far is the pokemon that totally abuses sleeps mechanic, and the addition of its dark typing, which is sounds cool (dark=evil, you battle with evil gimmicks. i mean, what is more evil than crushing your opponents while they're sleeping?)

[@ahyafikri4746]

@@jjc4924 WHY DO WE CANT JUST ENJOY THE MOMENT Bruh we just want to be nostalgic for awhile, is it WRONG to be nostalgic for a while?

[@jjc4924]

I still like the game. Don't get me wrong. But I don't know if I agree if it's the best gen.

[@retromilku]

This video made me play pokemon Platinum right now again XD

[@13CrystalHeart]

Cyrus is as close to a cult leader as these games can get, barring maybe Ghetsis. He's so creepy but is quite sympathetic once you learn his motives and that he was emotionally abused and neglected. (In a way, his backstory reminds me of N's.) After Ultra hints at a possible redemption (He asks you if, had he met someone like you, would things have turned out differentl for him? Of course, he could mean if his plan would've succeeded, but after his melancholic yet oddly nice interactions with Rotom, and his promise to not harm your world, a lot of people, myself included, seem to wonder if that's a redemption tease.), I'm quite interested to see what they'll do with him in the remake.

[@fatuusdottore]

Jadeazora Cyrus didn’t “come close” to a cult leader. He was one. 100%.

[@fatuusdottore]

I also agree that Cyrus is redeemable. He didn’t harm anything if you really look at things. Poor thing. He can and will be saved. ;-;

[@alphavolta5038]

@@fatuusdottore he harmed the lake trio

[@13CrystalHeart]

@@lilylopnco I agree it doesn't. Even if Cyrus is redeemed, I still want to get some remorse, atonement, or punishment for his actions. (Personally, I like to play with the idea that the Lake Trio cursed him while you all were in the Distortion World, and it would only take effect if he left as time doesn't pass there. So, even tho he's end up redeemed, his actions still have consequences.)

[@libracynthia]

Cyrus was a really well written character imo. To this day he is one of my favorite villain characters

[@Hydra-jo8bq]

"Is it really deserving of those remakes" A foolish question to a obvious answer

[@himbourbanist]

Gen 4 introduced Garchomp, basically the best pokemon of all time.

[@magiv7573]

Merciless Freak its one if the small list of non legendaries to get banned to ubers and still put in work there Before megas came along the thing was pretty damn amazing, still holds a good place even.

[@sonshawnzy9975]

Ice bean

[@aarondavis1863]

Gen 4 is my favorite gen. Diamond was my first ever Pokémon game, and it was the game in which I accidentally picked my favorite Pokémon ever, Turtwig. I loved its music and it's towns and everything about it.

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

Lmao! Platinum was my first game, and I accidentally picked my favorite Pokemon ever, too! Its Infernape though.

[@frankie4875]

I got stuck at the fourth gym when I was a kid. To help me, my cousin gave me his level 70 Luxaray.

[@Kaaniification]

Gen 4 was the best, hands down. HG/SS and Platin are the pinnacle of Pokemon Games. Only BW 2 comes close but that's Gen 5.

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

Don't discriminate against Blacks and Whites! But yea, Gen 4 is the best.

[@isaiahcampbell3992]

Raindropz Gen 4 in my opinion was the golden era of Pokemon. Maybe it's nostalgia clouding my eyes but it just felt so alive back then. Don't get me wrong I still love the new stuff but whenever I watch videos of Platinum HGSS and even DP I always miss those days.

[@satoshi9844]

Raindropz Except gen 4 is trash

[@lumiqe2719]

Satoshi fuck yourself nazi

[@satoshi9844]

Lumiqe WTF? How the fuck or why would I be nazi?

[@R3N1996]

To me the Gen 4 game(not counting the remakes) are 1 of the best pokemon games. I love sinnoh it is one of my favorite regions i liked the atmosphere in there. I loved the pokemons from gen 4 since they felt unique and the legendaries are some of my favorites. The villain team was a bit lackluster but had an interesting goal. Also best champion.

[@kenmarkollano5795]

@Merciless Freak Tbh Cynthia is the best champion.

[@kenmarkollano5795]

@Merciless Freak Nobody even comes close to Cynthia tbh.

[@kenmarkollano5795]

@Merciless Freak Nope Johto and Hoenn champions are a joke. Kanto is hard because Blue has Alakazam which is broken af in Gen 1 with no weakness and also Pokemons are limited in Gen 1 and half of it are awful then Gen 4 which all the issues of lack of Pokémon, weak Pokemons, lack of moves and the physical and special are fixed but despite that Cynthia is still hard to beat.

[@mdemanuel1911]

@@kenmarkollano5795 the best champion is alder bc he's more human.

[@cortexx9287]

With Diamond being my first game as a 6 year old, I loved it. Never played platinum though. But if there was a remake for it I would be so happy. Just Twinleaf town music gets me so happy.

[@eadc7]

Cortexx Same but with gen 3

[@ShouldOfStudiedForTheTest]

Cortexx Totally me!

[@Nachemanya]

You might as well count Platinum as a remake of Diamond/Pearl

[@whatasillimemeoof6536]

Me too! Except I got pearl:/

[@jordy7625]

Same :)

[@isaiahcampbell3992]

Gen 4 being "slow" is a good thing imo. It allows you to savour the masterpiece that it is.

[@jonathandominguez4262]

Isaiah Campbell well said

[@MRDestructionmd]

Isaiah Campbell not only that but it also gets you to really stay and play the story because it makes you want to know what’s next

[@philliparmitstead1260]

Isaiah Campbell hahahaha

[@samkan5793]

Also makes you feel rewarded when you beat it and feels a lot more organic

[@Kepin151]

Nah

[@jonnyboy4289]

I'm still waiting for a Generation 4 remake.

[@wishes2052]

Same

[@skyfall7110]

Atm i dont think i want one. Seeing how recent games suck.. and are soo forgiving and easy

[@marcosvalcarcel552]

@@skyfall7110 so true!

[@noahp1124]

Me too, kid, me too

[@pseudoproak]

S M O L

[@arbersllamniku9651]

Absolutly agree Platinum was beyond good and really enjoyable. Being difficult having the greatest pokemon design on pair with gen 3 ,amazing post-game(except gen 2 of course which had a whole region) and amazing music which i personally think is the best they will evet offer us, this gen along with gen 2 for my opinion is the second peak pokemon reached speaking enjoyability and creativity (not to mention the anime which was really fun to watch those days).

[@fenistereinc.5797]

Enjoy? Gen 4? How?

[@kds6992]

cause its greta games, good story, good challenge, no execive ahdnholding physcial special split the most important thing in pokemon after its creation. great region and pokemon, nice gyms and gym puzzels. are alot of reasons to lvoe gen 4. aslo ti has hg/ss which for most people seem tp be the best or their favorite games as a whole.

[@fenistereinc.5797]

I don't like the cities and the routes are too basic and all the game only bored me for being too slow. Diamond and Pearl have some nice pokemon, but the majority are only available in the post game :l

[@Pau31076]

@@fenistereinc.5797 Gen 4 has the best pokemon designs overall.

[@Mqstodon]

@@fenistereinc.5797 "the majority are only available in the post" that's...literally a lie. All of the sinnoh pokemon are obtainable before the elite four, not counting the fossil you can't find in your game and the version exclusives.

[@katenoah2101]

I started playing Pokémon in gen 4 (Pokémon Pearl). Pretty much the main reason I got the game was because I watched my brother play it and fell in love with Buneary and Pacharisu, but I've been almost obsessed with the Pokémon franchise since.

[@splash._]

How does Lucian become William ?!

[@jasonmanzon2215]

Splash ! Its a joke because they look similar and both use psycic types. They are not related in any way.

[@apolloedaphne7020]

Will aged and became Lucian

[@SalokinQuagsire]

This was a really good review! Brings back a lot of the good memories I had with this game. I even agree with a lot of you criticisms for the game, but as a kid playing these games as my first Pokémon games I didn’t notice how slow or tedious they were. Also the challenge was crazy hard especially with Cynthia, but so satisfying that when I beat her I immediately told my parents how happy I was. That’s why I’m so excited for a remake of these games because they can all be solved with the hardware upgrade and quality of life choices like Gen 7s HM Pokémon. Once these games come back as remakes many people will likely enjoy Sinnoh so much more than they did the first time veterans and newcomers alike.

[@OddSauce]

No wonder it took you so long to review this game, you had to review both a game and basically a movie.

[@malibu2174]

OddSauce it's true

[@RandomTens]

OddSauce If that's the case then I guess gen 5 will be coming out sometime in 2019

[@JJacoh]

OddSauce 😐

[@largenaq2935]

@@RandomTens Its June 2019, can confirm that b2w2 review has not come out yet. He really wasn't joking. Wow.

[@Marcomanexists]

Pokémon Platinum is the best game in the entire franchise. Bought it the day it came out and 9 years later I still get immersed in it today.

[@LlamassU__]

"You'll run into your old friend Cynthia" *heavy breathing intensifies from the power of the danger waifu

[@christianduncan3801]

Back when I was in high school, two of my friends and I had a competition to see who could beat their gen 4 game the fastest. None of us had jobs, we could play at home, we could play during our free time during class (we were all brainiacs so we had a lot of it), play on the bus (we all rode different buses but we rode for relatively the same amount of time), and play at lunch. It was pretty balanced. My guy friend had Diamond, my girl friend had Pearl, and I had Platinum. We were all pretty even in progression throughout the challenge, but when we got to surfing, they were both jealous of me because of Platinum being slightly faster. I decided to make it a little more difficult for myself. I also had a copy of Diamond so I started playing it as well. When I started Diamond, we were all at Spear Pillar, and I was also starting a new gen 4 game, so I stayed up all night to catch up. I played using L=A option so I could play in the halls and carry my coffee. In the end, I got first on Platinum, I got second on Diamond, my girl friend got third on Pearl, and my guy friend got last on his Diamond.

[@jonnypahuta7916]

Stan! Awesome video! I picked up Platinum a week before Xmas bc I had played all the Generations except Gen4, Im at victory road, I caught a Gible after the 7th gym and trained it into a level 50 garchomp in 1 day xD!

[@michaeloettinger2683]

I love gen 4. I'm not sure why it gets so much hate. It's gotta be my second favorite generation. (2 being number 1).

[@satoshi9844]

DJ HEX Maybe because Gen 4 games are slow, bad story, bad characters, etc

[@michaeloettinger2683]

I disagree i think they where a bit harder and had more of a difficulty curve, so while to some it felt "slow" to the rpg player it felt like a more welcoming and fun grinding aspect to this generation that none have has since.

[@incomments2864]

Satoshi Have you even played throu it? I have seen you hating on it so much. Yes it is slow but the story the features and especially the characters are perfection. This generation has the BEST champion in the entire series. None of the future generations can’t even come close to the amazing music like gen 4. You clearly haven’t played through these games and only think like that because of other people. Have you been introduced in gen 5 or something?

[@megagustman]

*+GameNReader* Confusing region layout?! Seriously?!.

[@ACG7001]

DJ HEX I don’t think I’ve ever heard it get hate... and yes it is pretty slow compared to other games, the default text speed, walking, everything just seems slower for some reason. Also yeah it was pretty generic.

[@sirsancusxenon6950]

Fantina's Mismagius gives me nightmares of being 8 trying to beat her for the 19th time...

[@ShadowDaHam]

Just now finding and watching your reviews, honestly I like them! They are well put together! Keep up the good work

[@lordcole5138]

gen 4 was really good :)

[@lordcole5138]

I wish it had a remake for 3ds, hopefully we get it

[@juliannajm3592]

Lordcolegaming it would be on switch

[@gormlessCreator]

Lordcolegaming Who cares what console it's on as long as it's good!

[@jjc4924]

I do want to see get remake because I want to see if they fixed the problems.

[@KadeKalka]

Dat hair. I really enjoyed this video though. It was really in-depth yet it kept my attention the entire time. Good luck with Heartgold and Soulsilver! :D

[@RandomTens]

Kade Kalka (VGMusic Covers) HG/SS will be a lot of fun I think since I only need to focus on changes. Though recording the actual footage will suck! :P

[@ashtonbrown1393]

when is hgss review coming out

[@zac338]

The more I play Platinum, the more it becomes my absolute favorite. So many memories with this game. So much time put into it. As I mentioned in one of your streams, I've gotten the black trainer card twice and painfully and stupidly restarted and am still working on it to this day. Kanto has so much nostalgia and Pokemon Red was the first video game I ever played besides arcade stuff, but MAN this game was INCREDIBLE.

[@sjakim]

Just stumbled into this video, and I like the way everything's organized. You got yourself a new viewer. Keep it up!

[@monadoguy7807]

Let's be honest, there's no reason to remake Gen 4. It's perfectly good on its own, there aren't a lot a things that need to be added or fixed (aside from speed, oh god gen 4 is slow). Also, there's the fact that Game Freak could mess it up, like some people argue they did with RSE.

[@eadc7]

Monado Guy True that

[@KNIV3]

Monado Guy I agree but I would like a remake because having gen 4 on the 3ds or supposably on the Nintendo switch would look outstanding!!

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

As I share more nostalgia with Gen 4 then I do almost any other game I can think of, i'm kind of scared of Sinnoh Remakes. I don't want to them to mess it up. Platinum means so much to me, and I really just don't want it to change. I sound stupid, but it is my favorite gen by far.

[@gormlessCreator]

Monado Guy Unless the remakes will be for the Switch or a future console/handheld, they should definitely avoid it since you can still play Gen 4 on a 3ds to this day!

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

What about online

[@TheGatrGamr]

These are the greatest pokemon games in my opinion. Played through them so much

[@turtleanton6539]

So hyped for the remakes !

[@Link-64]

I gotta say I just recently found your channel and watched your reviews and some of your other videos and your by far my favorite Pokémon KZbinr alongside protomario. Love the videos man can't wait for your heart gold and soul silver reviews because gen 2 is my all time favorite games! Very happy I subscribed to you

[@RandomTens]

This comment just made my night! Thanks for all the kindness and I love gen 2 as well so I'll be sure to do HG/SS right next month!

[@Link-64]

RandomTens your very welcome! Thank you for making every day more enjoyable with your videos! And awesome! Can't wait to watch it!

[@bonkito4465]

The way you review on this series is awesome. I cant wait until the new video!

[@Aman-kw4hr]

Yes it is best pokemon game

[@SamGaming360]

member the old days? yes

[@cultofmalgus1310]

It's the only gen I could not bare to finish. I found it boring tbh. After the 5th badge I quit. I also hated Barry

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

Wandering Loner the game is slow in general

[@GwnMichael]

member the old days? Yeah infernape ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@satoshi9844]

Gaming Dr except its one of the worst

[@popnpets8022]

“3 hours to get my first gym badge” *Milo: breathes heavily*

[@SPNF.SPNF.SPNF.]

That was an amazing review Stan, I loved it! I remember when i was a kid I gave up trying to beat Cynthia only to come back 4 years later to finally beat her.

[@TheMidnightwolf15]

Pokemon Platinum is one of my favorite Pokemon games by a long shot. Diamond was my very first handheld Pokemon game and so made 2007 a fun year instead of a dull year. I love the fact that it focuses on time and space (though then again a certain TV show probably highlighted this fact even more, even more so with the inclusion in Looker) as these are some of the more mysterious aspects of our own world, so using this inside the Pokemon world made Sinnoh really interesting. Dialga was my first legendary and I love its design (Piplup was my first Pokemon ever) and the fact that it controlled time...! The twist that revealed team Galatic's true plot when you go to rescue the lake guardians still creeps me out, mostly due to the music in the background. Speaking of, the music in these games is my second favorite soundtrack after gen 2. I love how each region seems to have a key instrument to identify itself with. Gen 2 seemed to be flute, gen 3 trumpets and gen 4 was the piano. Though I will agree that gen 4, especially at the beginning is really slow! Though thankfully Platinum wasn't as slow as Diamond and Pearl (remember the surfing and walking speed in DaP?) Anyhow, Generation 4 is honestly my favorite generation despite its flaws and I sincerely hope that we get a Switch remake in the near future.

[@TheFlyinSquid]

You shouldnt complain about gen 4 being difficult to new players. You can get through any game easily by just using your starter.

[@internalpain2046]

Therealchris929 Lol that shit is easy

[@based_tradwife7748]

@Therealchris929 Lol sun and moon (and usum) are the easiest games by far (with the exception of ultra necrozma which is still just one battle lol)

[@joshuahart153]

@@based_tradwife7748 X and Y were way easier than S&M, and definitely easier than USUM. USUM can actually be sneaky difficult if you don't know what's coming, though it's far from the hardest in the series. But yeah XY were by far the easiest, I literally never even got close to losing on my first blind play-through.

[@MrMarinus18]

It really isn't. I actually like that it's difficult if you don't grind. From gen V onward Pokémon is always easy even if you don't grind.

[@jaretco6423]

Marinus. Not Gen. 5 literally. But fair points.

[@xJonnaax]

Diamond and platinum were the first pokemon games I played :)

[@MrLP3xp3rt]

Jonna Heijke n1

[@meetu_]

Me too XD I was only 7 years old so I though my DS was broken when the first poison overworld damge shake happened ... Good Times

[@jordy7625]

Same. Best games I ever got in hindsight

[@DenizDivine]

i'd like to play YOU 😏

[@formeradmiralkuzan4518]

Mine too

[@Leto85]

It's so long ago that I've played GEN4 that almost all of this video was new to me. I love this series of yours. You've some great insights there.

[@151TheMew]

14:44 *Sword and Shield comes out RandomTens: Am i a joke to you?

[@kaela-musicproduction7091]

19:25 hmmm... should I really watch past this point to hear him beat up on my favourite generation? Edit: First two cons: Slow and Difficult... To be honest, I think that’s what made me like the games. Another edit: ‘Try imagining a seven year old trying to beat this game’ hears the person that beat the game when he was five.

[@primal44]

Great video Stan, gen 4 was actually my first time owning a pokemon game so it has a special place in my heart

[@RandomTens]

Marthboy Well I just hope I was able to do it justice!

[@fool184]

Bro i was just vibin watching this vid while playing Pokemon black working on a living unova dex but then i randomly find a shiny mandibuzz. I fell out of my chair in panic I did not realize it was shiny until i heard the sparkle. I caught it first ball in a dusk stone and named it Gretta friends choice not mine. Since ive never seen your channel until now and watched your black & white review and your sequals before this i feel your vids gave me good luck. BTW: if anyone has a better name to give it you can always let meh know.

[@WouldNotPokeThat]

Platinum is my favorite Pokemon game, I've been playing since Red and DPP came out when I was in high school, but your critiques are interesting. I actually think Platinum has the best pacing in the series. Up until Platinum, there's at least one gym where you basically jump right to it with no buildup or route; Viridian, Olivine, Petalburg, and Canalave (in DP). By redoing the gym order, each Gym now has proper buildup. Not only that, the large amount of towns do a great job breaking up the routes so they never feel too long, barring a few (like the snow routes). So I don't mind the game's length one bit; it's definitely the meatiest story campaign even to this day. It takes me around 25-27 hours to reach the credits in most other games (22ish for Johto), but for Sinnoh it's usually 30, sometimes even closer to 35. Some of that is because of the slow engine, but a lot of it is just how packed the game is. Which brings me to the other point about Sinnoh; I agree that it can seem a bit bland, especially after Hoenn was so exotic, but I think as you said, it excels because it has a little bit of everything. There aren't any ungodly long water routes and there's a lot to do between gyms - there's even more to do if you go back to optional areas with new HMs. Sinnoh is probably the densest, most complex region in the series, and it's a shame we haven't seen anything like it since. It also brought us snow-based routes for the first time in a decade, which gave it some much needed flavor... and some slow, sometimes frustrating traveling. Platinum can definitely be tough, it's a tougher game than Diamond/Pearl for sure, though I would say Emerald has the toughest campaign of any Pokemon game... at least, that was my experience as a kid, haven't played it in 15 years, maybe it's time to revisit. I think Platinum's challenge is just about right; my biggest complaint is besides Crasher Wake and maybe Fantina, the Gym Leaders are kind of pushovers (at least for someone like me who's been playing Pokemon for so long, maybe kids have more trouble), but the final Cyrus battle and Elite 4 are just the perfect difficulty. They'll definitely mess you up if you don't have a good team. I also agree the music is probably the least memorable among the series, at least for the first five gens, with some obvious standouts like Cyrus and Cynthia's themes. It's still pretty pleasant overall and enriches the experience. Like you though, I think gen 4 has the strongest lineup of new Pokemon, and the physical/special split along with online (RIP) are gamechanging additions that make it very difficult to return to previous gens. There's a lot of great Pokemon games, but I think the additions gen 4 brought, along with the refinements of Platinum, make it the best the series has seen. Given the direction the games have gone since the 3DS, I feel pretty strongly that even if this gen gets remade, Platinum will still be the optimal Sinnoh experience. I just replayed Platinum last month and I still feel like it is, as Masuda said, the ultimate Pokemon game.

[@jaretco6423]

It does have some severe flaws. Like the slowness, little bit grindy in the later halve, too much HM requirements, long and gimmick routes; like swamp & snow, that feels an little bit sluggish & overvloated complex of Sinnoh's design. But even with the flaws, it's an fine game nevertheless. But not the " ultimate " Pokemon game IMO.

[@jamesleary3486]

best generation, not too easy, and it has a good story line. First gen that I was able to complete the pokedex and level up to 100.

[@marioqtcboi7962]

james leary no one plays Pokemon for the story

[@satoshi9844]

james leary except its not

[@megagustman]

*+Satoshi* Okay, why the hell are you spamming nearly every comment with your hate?.

[@kds6992]

maybe not just for story but it does play a role.

[@ThunderflySc2]

@@marioqtcboi7962 I do, thats exacly why I quit all the newest games

[@mmcv9679]

How is it controversial that Platinum Is the definitive way to play gen 4? I thought this was widely accepted lmao

[@imperatoraugustus9970]

While i was huge on gen1 as a kid I dropped the series for over a decade. It was when i was a few days off of a 18 hour plane ride and in a game store that the shelf of pokemon games I had never seen before caught my eye and i figured screw it. Not knowing what gen was what, Diamond caught my eye (they had no platinum on stock at all) and going from red/blue to gen4 was an amazing experience. I know now that it gets some hate for its slow plot, but I felt like it only added to the experience. I still remember one leg of the trip between two cities being so long and arduous that when I finally made it and you meet with barry and the professor I felt genuinely accomplished. I remember looking forward to finally seeing these legendary pokemon talked about throughout the story, and how massive the world felt in a way where i didn't know what was next. I would absolutely love remakes for these games, but my only concern is they could never live up to the sheer size and scope of sinnoh. The post-game in gen4 was truly impressive and it added so much value to the games whereas there seems to be a new trend toward post game being a battle maison/battle tree and that's about it.

[@harrywoodward3310]

Really detailed video that captures the beauty of my favourite game, definitely gaining a sub

[@knoxgarfallen3355]

Thank you. Its so heartwarming to find someone else who feels so much love towards Gen 4 like myself. Sincerely, thank you.

[@jaretco6423]

I thought alot of people liked Gen. 4.

[@MrTurkeyNoodles]

Your review on soulsilver will match your hair xD

[@gertvandenberghe5914]

What a coïncidence, I just started replaying Platinum yesterday, great review btw!

[@derichnc8541]

I wish more people would mention the VS. Seeker. It's one of my fav features of FR/LG and Platinum. Honestly it's one of the things that keep me coming back to those games. I would love to see them make a return in the future.

[@incomments2864]

I love Gen 4 it is my number one favorite generation and I been playing Pokémon since gen 2. I always say I'm from twinleaf town 😂

[@UmbreonxUmbreon]

Dead ass I would trade Shield for Diamond

[@mattowens7046]

Checked out a couple of your review vids today and, though enjoyable, they seem to be less of a review and more of a cliff notes version of the complete walkthru of the plot, spoilers included. It would be fantastic to have a clickable time stamp to skip all of that to reach the actual review of the games. :)

[@JEREMCEE]

Thanks for doing these videos man you’re awesome!

[@FayoreiRPGMmag]

Pokemon Diamond had me stop playing Pokemon for a bit. Perhaps if I had played Platinum, it wouldn't have been the case. It's weird since I ended up loving SoulSilver. I was in college, so it wasn't really uncool, but a lack of time because of school probably contributed to this. It also felt... sterile, kind of formulaic like you mentioned. Cynthia is great though! Definitely still my favorite Champion from the series. Awesome review though! Everything was well-thought out and put together in a very enjoyable video. Hyped for the SoulSilver one!

[@jjc4924]

Have you ever played Black and White + Black 2 and White 2? Those games are better than Diamond, Pearl & Platinum in my opinion. In fact, it's just as great as Heartgold and Soulsilver.

[@aeroga2383]

yeah gen 4 (at least the start) was pretty boring and it wasn't until I randomly played gen 5 many years later that I got back into the series and finally finished Platinum

[@josephercanbrack8393]

I love Platinum. Pearl was good, and Platinum was amazing. I loved the difficulty. It took me a long time to beat the Elite Four and Cynthia at 10, but when I did, I was ecstatic. HMs were annoying, but I learned to deal with it. There were so many cool Pokemon to catch, with the only annoying bits being the Honey trees (But you could always adjust your DS Time). And I'm still surprised that they haven't brought back the VS Seeker; It was so cool to fight the very first Youngster you fought and see his Level 40ish Staraptor. To this day, it is still the best Pokemon Game I've ever played.

[@ryanwilliams6221]

Thank you, the Gen 4 roster is phenomenal. So many of my favorite Pokemon have come from this region. Garchomp, Empoleon, Turtwig, Drapion, Lucario, Spiritomb, Driftblim, Luxray, Staraptor and pretty much all of the legends/mythics are absolutely amazing additions to the series.

[@2.5millionwoolongs]

About a year late, but considering that Gen 4 is my all time favorite generation, playing Platinum absolutely nonstop in my elementary and middle school days and STILL have my copy along with my save file, I agree with most of the points made about the cons of the game. I despised how slow the battles were, and how the story and pacing were kinda all over the place, but that really doesn't outweigh the the pros. Amazing visuals, great pokemon design, godlike soundtrack (Cynthia's battle theme is my ringtone), interesting and compelling story themes, and a great post-game, with lots to do, and the inclusion of the regional pokedex, which I believe, at this point in the games, completing to be a very difficult task, but not impossible. Gen 4 holds a lot of my favorite pokemon, Giratina being my all-time favorite legendary, with Darkrai and Dialga not far behind. Infernape holding my favorite starter spot, with Blaziken and Incineroar just barely catching up (notice how they're all fire types?). Electivire, Magmortar and Magnezone were great additions to the roster and goddamn were Gallade, Lucario and Garchomp such great pokemon as well. I eagerly await the inevitable remakes of this amazing generation, fixing the issues these games originally had, but keeping that same spirit and memorable characteristics that made it so great in the first place. It will be great to see them on the Nintendo Switch in all its glory. Hopefully Gamefreak delivers, this generation may not be a lot of people's favorite, but it deserves to be respected and acknowledged for what it is and what it brought to the Pokemon franchise. If I were to rank all of the generations in terms of favorite and how much time I spent playing each one, it would go like this: Gen 4 Gen 1 Gen 7 Gen 3 Gen 2 Gen 5 Gen 6 Great review man, I will sub for awesome content.

[@dbaniel]

Hey Stan, just got a shiny Litten and great vid!

[@GamingProsAdventure]

Great video Stan I also love Gen 4 it's my favorite!

[@nikachu_i_choose5233]

In one of my platinum play through when I was younger, I used the finneon line and I will admit they need imo on how they are used more total bulk and a little more speed.

[@imflexing6481]

kinda expecting the remakes (...assuming we get them?) to remedy pacing issues + battle speed, which is nice. also the hint at some level of redemption for cyrus in USUM combined with the more thorough characterization in general in recent games is something i'm looking forward to. definitely not looking forward to how easy itll probably be though since one of my favorite parts of platinum even as a kid was how hard it was lol

[@camshep7145]

I wish with BDSP they just remade platinum instead of literally just copy and paste DP at least they could’ve put the distortion world in it

[@jackk9420]

I chose the best gen 4 starter. Chimchar.

[@joel.1095]

JSK I think you misspelled Turtwig.

[@roccaluce]

What about Bidoof?

[@jessy-zc8ld]

Great video!! I have never played platinum but it may be worth checking out.

[@troyjordana]

Just finished the story in this game a few months ago. Loved it but it was definitely the hardest and slowest game I've ever played. Glad to hear you're gonna do heartgold/soulsilver! I just started!

[@jacobruby2237]

Diamond was alright as my first ever pokemon game. But when Platinum came out, I knew that Platinum would be 18 times more better than Diamond and opened me up to Competitive and Shiny Hunting. Platinum gave me a reason to keep playing pokemon and even reach the Gen 1 games (That I hate) but still, a nice blast to the past (not nice but rough and scaly)By that I mean I hate Kanto and Gen 1 (Yes even the remakes) But the remakes soften the hate of Kanto for me (Even though it's gen 3) still soften kanto in my opinion

[@nix2939]

Sounds like you just wanted a reason to whine about Kanto

[@Iggy3434]

I’ve never see such a great review before. You clearly put effort into your analysis and gave some great concrete to your opinions. Along with the cons I say I completely agree as I did find the game sooo slow in the battles especially towards the end with the elite 4. But great review and good job. Your defiantly better then some thought to be pro reviewers like IGN!

[@jaretco6423]

Agreed. Hope the remake will fixes some issues.

[@joshuastreet8664]

I'm right there with you. Stopped playing Pokemon right upon entering high school. Diamond and Pearl had just come out while I was in 8th grade. Got back into Pokemon in 6th gen, but it sucks knowing I missed out on the glory days of it all though. Got to live through RBE, and FRLG though, and those will forever be my favorites.

[@roadside360]

This was my first Pokemon game and I have quite a few fond memories of it. It's also the first time I got to experience what I think all of us with younger siblings had to experience at some point. My sister WASTED my MASTERBALL on a MAGICARP!!!!! Other than that, even though I eventually went back to the older games, thanks to emulation, Platinum still holds a special place in my heart as the game that introduced me to the series. That being said, I seem to be developing a theme. Pokemon Platinum (THE 4th gen Pokemon game), Persona 4 Golden (my first Persona game), Resident Evil 4 (my first RE game). I guess I always have to start a pre-existing series from the 4th entry and work outwards lol

[@dazeen9591]

>Plays Platinum at the age of 7, sucks at English. >Gets stuck for like 100 hours so just continues to grind his Pokémon's. >Level 78 Infernape after 2nd gym. >Win Elite 4 including Cynthia and all gyms with just one Pokémon. The only reason why the game was hard for me was because I didn't know where the fuck I had to go at the time. I finished the game with 358 hours clocked in though I spent a long ass time figuring things out since English wasn't my primary language (nowadays it is) I personally didn't like the 4th gen roster that much besides Lucario and a few others. The music soundtracks weren't as good as previous gens either imo. And the gameplay definitely was way too slow. I can't really bring myself to replay it unless it's a randomizer rom because I absolutely hated chasing Team Galactic across the map (partly because I couldn't understand English that well so I didn't understand where I had to go) It's still a great game but shiny hunting sucks in Platinum. You have to pretty much complete the game before you get the ability to shiny hunt so that's a long ass time. I haven't found a single one yet myself but it's not like I really want to anyways. As I said, I didn't really like the new Pokémon the gen brought. I just hope one day there will be a free roam Pokémon game with all regions and access to shiny hunting from the start so I'll have a chance to setup my dream team. I hate story based games.

[@_Zinatrix_]

ッAllu buys a story based game Hates it because its story based

[@prestigexv2151]

hands down the best generation

[@eadc7]

Debatable

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

*H A N D S* *D O W N*

[@satoshi9844]

Prestige XV I think you meant Gen 5

[@incomments2864]

Guys, that’s his opinion. Just like those are your opinions. Geez! In my opinion Gen 4 is the best hands down and none of you can convince me otherwise.

[@p.i.m.p8208]

Gen 5 is like the worst, only saving grace is BW2

[@AsKuRiUs]

Hey wait a minute I met you at a cruising spot in Dallas how are you its been awhile that was a really great night c: its good to see you're doing well.

[@miliba]

Ive recently played Platinum on a DS emulator called Desmume. I thank the creator, especially for adding a speed-up function. Otherwise i wouldve gone mad waddling through the snow and swamps

[@Gamer-hl2qc]

Hello my dear youtuber, I was a 7 year old in 2009 and I'm confirming that it was possible for a 7 year old to beat Platinum.

[@dm7626]

Hommer Sampsin lol I was 7 In 2009 too and I beat platinum as well as diamond.

[@Hi-nc7jz]

In my opinion I think gen 4 brought the strongest Pokémon out of every generation

[@RandomTens]

xxPokeDjMichaelxx 267 Yeah the roster's really strong and I feel like you can really personalize an amazing team before even getting halfway through the main game

[@Hi-nc7jz]

RandomTens yeah you get a lot of Pokémon that are strong and memorable like lucario garchomp torterra and starapter it is really one of my favorite generations

[@Crj-cy9fc]

TurboMike1220 U we got what is the best pokemon being garchomp not including legendaries or megas.

[@xendra333]

Then Gen 7 came out with the ultra beasts

[@aronenark8184]

Growing up in rural Canada, there was never a lot for a kid to do outside of school. I was very fortunate that the Pokemon franchise was extremely popular while I was young, in that my parents bought me Pokemon Pearl as my first video game. I played it and loved the little pocket creatures so much that I bought Platinum, Explorers of Sky, and Soulsilver immediately when they released. The fourth generation of Pokemon made up such a important part of my and my friends' childhood, from our countless trades and battles on the playground, to the lessons the games taught about the value of patience and the importance of believing in yourself; and these games will always hold a special place in my nostalgia vault, despite their minor flaws.

[@Espeon804]

Gen 4 and 5 were both difficult to play through compared to all the other gens. But those two gens are what introduced me to Pokémon gaming. So when gens 6 and 7 rolled around and I went through it so easily... Ugh. I miss the days when I ejected the game card and threw it across the room. I need them to bring back challenge mode.

[@Mjoelke]

i remember being so extremely frustrated because of cynthias battle in diamond, i ragequit and didn't play the game for 2 months. when i picked it up again, i started grinding, determined, and i beat her with SO much luck - i still remember the fight to this day. that was 13 years ago. i really - really miss the competition. the games nowadays are so easy and handholding, i feel insulted. i managed to beat gen 1-4 as a 7-11 year old, kids aren't that dumb and want some challenge too. nowadays nothing is memorable anymore, and dont get me started how short, overpriced and rushed sword/shield are.

[@diamondpandairl7526]

I lost my platinum game, but im not really too mad about it, but happy that this is out now

[@panickedpikachu]

I feel your pain, I too lost my game and it obliterated me, not as bad as when I lost my omega ruby, but it was bad. I've recently bought a new one but I haven't played it since Sun and Moon came out.

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

Yo, Panicked Pikachu, you lost TWO Pokemon games?! You have to watch your stuff man! XD.

[@geraldpfeffer]

21:17 I would get stuck often. For instance, you know the town next to the wind works at the beginning of the game? I was stuck there for so long and my solution was to just battle. I think I had an infernape before I figured it out. It happened again in the distortion world and victory road. probably other places too, but those are the ones I remember.

[@YuiFunami]

I think one thing that I loved about how "slow" sinnoh was is that it made the region feel bigger and that you're on a big journey through snow, mountains, swamps, and caves. I always remember finding that one heal house in the middle of the snow