Randy Orton vs. The Fiend (WWE WrestleMania 37) | Worst Match Ever?!

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The Fiend vs. Randy Orton (WWE WrestleMania 37) | Worst Match Ever?!
This one was - somehow - worse than we remember. But is it the worst match ever?
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[@glenndallas7171]

Tempest just casually rattling off EVERY Orton Wrestlemania match was impressive.

[@coonurkan]

It's adorable that he remembered Mania 35.

[@jtoby9715]

Goals

[@absolutezero2-qk3ks]

His match with Seth on 31 was pretty good

[@Bennyboi004]

next episode of Survival Series oncoming?

[@FloridaGuy53]

Orton's more of a Summerslam guy.

[@ccobian_131]

This hurts so much. As a massive bray wyatt and the fiend fan…man this hurts. I’m exactly with Pete.

[@brandonuddstrom]

Couldn't possibly agree more.

[@Sanct1mon1a]

Not only was Randy done, but I think Bray was as well. I think with the crappy booking black hole Vince put him into and then losing his best friend back in December of that past year, Bray was just done. I really don't even think he wanted to do this.

[@jormungaurd]

I agree, I have a feeling that both Randy and Bray were just done with it after Vince told them what he wanted. I think it especially affected them when they saw the box, because no matter how bad it looked that isn't something that you're going to whip up in a couple hours not with the size and painting they had to do on it. I think Vince had it all planned including the ending much earlier he just didn't tell Bray or Randy because he didn't want to give them time to come up with any counter arguments against this.

[@Bennyboi004]

the Brodie Lee/Luke Harper “yeah yeah yeah” bit is probably the only highlight of the match

[@mhuh]

Vince burying them together.

[@1987TimeLord]

@@jormungaurd Just one of infinite reasons to be happy that Vince is gone now. Unfortunately its too late for Bray to reap the benefits :( RIP Windham Rotunda

[@calumbishop7082]

You know what the most horrifying thing about this match is: It's not even the worst match between these two. I would argue the 'House of Horrors' match at Payback 2017, with the f*cking haunted tractor and Jinder Mahal being there and the dirty fridge and the doll heads and Bray screaming "Welcome to hell" to Randy (because subtly is something that Vince has no concept of), is SO MUCH WORST, and so much longer. Also for some reason its divided into two parts and just has Seth Rollins vs Samoa Joe randomly shoved in-between both halves of the match. Also it ends with f*cking Jinder standing tall. Just, just don't know.

[@mayankshukla2056]

I don't at all remember Jinder being a part of that match 😂 😂

[@MrGared22]

Ah yes, the one that not only got _immediately_ inducted into WrestleCrap, even though they have a rule of waiting one year to "see where it goes", but also was immediately awarded their Gooker Award, because they thought that there could not be anything worse the rest of the year (and then Jinder's reign happened).

[@Nick_T_90]

@@calumbishop7082 maybe it’s because I was with friends but when we say the house of horrors live we were all busting our guts laughing it was so awful we loved it but objectively the match is dreadful

[@cody1390]

​@@mayankshukla2056this isn't even their worst WrestleMania match between them 2

[@kapperosek26899]

You know what is even worse about that match? It was april 2021, so only 4 months after Brodie Lee passed away. Bray was in bad place mentally then and they did that to him

[@reeseangle9621]

Bray sucks

[@RobertJW]

Oh, God, you're *right*.

[@RichMalicious_86]

To those who don't know, The Fiend's "Tunnel of Transformation" was originally used for the Weekend's Super Bowl Halftime Show, which was preformed several days before this Wrestlemania.

[@aztecwrrior1997]

Ohhhhh that explains why it looked so familiar also it was February this was April so like two months prior to Mania

[@SirSketch4th]

Another great episode! Tempest saying "Hey look it's the Big Box Man" killed me hahaha. 2021 was when I stopped watching wrestling really. Empty arena era was tiring, Bayley not having anything to do AT ALL at Mania was annoying, everything just culminated in me ending my weekly wrestling viewing until Triple H took over.

[@FloridaGuy53]

Big Box Man can also be used to describe 2010s Big Show.

[@aztecwrrior1997]

That's kinda me right now I'm watching NFL Football on Mondays cuz yes the product is slightly better but not by much

[@lucasbutlergamingandnostal2501]

I’m really holding out for hogan vs warrior from haloween havoc 1998 That could genuinely top the list over the zombie match

[@clint2425]

Tempest remembering every Orton match in Wrestlemania in the last 20 years like nothing is so impressive

[@thedarkergerkin]

I have so much fun watching these i hope this a series that lasts long term!

[@Shavinderyt]

The fact that the fiend has shown up on this list twice and for very legitimate reason makes me immeasurable sad. What have they done to my boy. In my eyes, fiend had 3 feuds; Balor, Cena and Bryan. anything else ill pretend doesn’t exist

[@paulgibbon5991]

The problem with a character like that is that he's only really got two types of matches--either he's an invincible monster (destroying other wrestlers and making them look like scaredey-cats) or he's losing, destroying the mystique and making everyone else who lost to the monster look a bit dumb.

[@Shavinderyt]

@@paulgibbon5991 There is a potential third type of match, where the monster battles themselves. Sounds weird, but from the start Bray showed he had a weakness; the only reason the fiend came out was to "heal" Bray's past traumas by unleashing on everyone that wronged him in the past. Recall the "Man in the woods" story, from YEARS ago. Have Bray fight the Fiend. Not Bray vs the Fiend in a 1 on 1, but some opponent or situation that would prove Bray doesn't need the Fiend, exploiting that weakness. Everyone Bray came across wronged him, so have him feud with someone that helped him. Bray remembers they helped him, but The fiend wants Bray to destroy them because its a weakness. Like Sami exploiting Roman's weakness of Jey to destroy the Bloodline from within.

[@SurrealNights]

I'm noticing that one of the parameters that's (perhaps unknowingly) being used to gauge how bad a match is: How much do you actually engage with the match (i.e. how much do you end up talking about other stuff during it).

[@8BitBruche]

This was the first episode of this series that I actually did the watch-along and I had never seen the match before. I am now regretting my choice to do so.

[@aztecwrrior1997]

I did Jenna vs Sharmell and the extreme Elimination Chamber those were big turds

[@rr2637]

Same here man. Leaves a bad taste

[@thereal_jerrod]

There really are a lot of reasons for either this or Zombies to go over the other. A lot of great points from all three lads. But thinking about it more, I think I might have personally put this at the top. I always loved the Fiend and rooted for him. Even after Hell in a Cell 2019 and Super Showdown 2020, I still had faith in Bray to bring it back and always wanted to see what the Fiend was doing. After this loss to Randy, I couldn't have cared less about the Fiend. More than any bad Bray match, this one killed the character for me.

[@OnTheAlmondTree]

You've GOT to do the Tag Team elimination chamber, where they were BREAKING UP PINFALLS IN AN ELIMINATION MATCH, and the Intercontinental Elimination chamber, where Mark Henry got out of his cell early and the match devolved into Ziggler openly calling out spots like TWICE

[@joshualarkin6902]

“Box-like Structure,” 3 Orton draping DDTs (dammit, DLo!), red lights, and the irredeemable damage of one of your most over characters. And it opened a night of Wrestlemania! Woof, this one is for the dogs. At least the zombie match didn’t actively damage anyone or anything. Not even well booked in terms of in-ring spots.

[@OptimusProvost]

The Cavalcade of Crapness should be be rechristened as “The Box Like Structure of The Cavalcade of Crapness”

[@sammilksword5716]

Was terrified it was going to be Vince vs. Bret next. You'll have to get to that one eventually.

[@num1Jaysta]

Oh boy. I remember watching that one live. I was just glad to watch Bret again.

[@Sawfty]

Here’s the crazy thing about this series - I’m not even able to watch along and it’s still my favorite show of 2023!

[@Moe_GC94]

How about fiend vs Rollins HIAC as well... i mean vs Goldberg was also bad but THAT Match was so bad it got Fans to chant AEW for the first time at the end of a PPV

[@absolutezero2-qk3ks]

HIAC2019 may be later

[@LordBlakeWhitehouse]

Watch King Mable vs Diesel!

[@alexdiaz1454]

What’s so funny is that WWE posted this full match on KZbin the day you guys post this lmao

[@MisterBigPip]

I love how four hours after this video went live WWE had the gall to make it free to watch on their KZbin channel. Not sure if that means they love the series and did it in response? Also love how the first recommended video underneath is this one, with the thumbnail of you guys looking distraught and the big WORST MATCH EVER logo next to it. But thirdly, love you guys, keep up the awesome work x

[@AceTheSkylord]

This match is even worse in hindsight now because this was Bray's final wrestlemania match, and this is what they booked for it...

[@TyMarshall007]

we need to have Triple H vs Roman Reigns WM 32 or Roman vs Undertaker WM 33 and Brock vs Roman at WM 34 in this list and lets add jerry lawler vs michael cole WM 27

[@deathlyshuriken1540]

Mania 32 100%, but while Mania 33’s main event was disappointing, I don’t think it belongs on an all time worst list. It was just disappointing and decently bad.

[@absolutezero2-qk3ks]

​@@deathlyshuriken1540 32 is pure boring.

[@TyMarshall007]

@@deathlyshuriken1540 Triple H vs Roman is class as one of the worst main Events ever and I'm gonna add something else

[@absolutezero2-qk3ks]

Only 31 38 is watchable. 39 didn't happen yet. Idk

[@TyMarshall007]

@@absolutezero2-qk3ks Brock vs Roman WM 32-34 was a Terrible Main Event WM 31 main event got saved by Seth Rollins

[@iamthedrumandbassfarmer8735]

throwback to every single episode of the podcast where the same one guy would without fail always submit a comment about how great alexa's segment was that week

[@cjjjjjjjjjj]

That guy was obsessed with her, in an unhealthy way

[@Homerstar]

He’s still doing it, he’s only stopped at the moment because Bliss hasn’t been on TV but he’ll be back when Bliss returns.

[@christophermccray6528]

We need to appreciate these guys at WrestleTalk for sacrificing themselves watching these terrible matches to entertain us.

[@Brodysseus]

Okay, matches like those next week are definitely better palate cleanser matches than my suggestion of just watching a really good match. Can't wait!

[@IslandPride316]

Lmao I feel like the background music in the beginning fits you 3 as a group very well lol

[@thacool101]

Tempest running of Randy Orton's mania matches of the top of his head is the most impressive thing I've ever seen

[@FloridaGuy53]

Gives me an idea for the next Survival Series challenge: Name Every Randy Orton Summerslam Match (in reverse-chronological order)

[@crossin8772]

I can not wait to see the reaction to Jerry Lawler vs Michael Cole. Thats my pick for what's gonna be number one

[@mitchellgillum]

Box like structure kills me everytime lol

[@lwoodproductions]

This match is now really bad in hind sight considering the passing of bray wyatt

[@hdafkaksbfabfbao77]

Watching you guys have slight mental breakdowns while watching these matches is a great way to start my Monday. Thanks for the joy 😊

[@honoratagold]

Not sure if they're in the box yet, but I gotta recommend: - WCW: Chamber of Horrors - Halloween Havoc 1991 - WCW: Hogan vs. Giant Sumo Monster Truck Match - Halloween Havoc 1995

[@aj2766]

Wonderful series as always. Also Piper vs Hogan 97 is more beautifully horrible.

[@jaredmccullough5088]

Eagerly awaiting the first WCW entrant in this series. So many to choose from, my picks would be the Chamber of Horrors Match, Judy Bagwell on a Forklift, and The Doomsday Cage Match.

[@sirvypergaming]

I was there live for this... everything was cool until the finish. After the finish, the crowd near me was ready to walk out immediately. There was a ton of pissed off people.

[@rianchristopher999]

hearing you guys saying the fiends last match "so far" is just still too soon

[@snowglobetrotter4959]

Still sad that Bray is missing Wrestlemania this year

[@thechamp3875]

I watched this live,I should of known how bad this was gonna be when I got lost in the stadium,missing Orton’s entrance,and coming just in time for the big box

[@alfieharragan2159]

I think Michael Cole vs Jerry lawler from Wrestlemania 27 should be in the box

[@Sanct1mon1a]

I have to say, I really want to see you guys review the match and the lead-up to Triple H vs Scott Steiner. We saw the death of the Fiend in this match and one can argue that the death of Scott Steiner in WWE was that match.

[@absolutezero2-qk3ks]

2021 truly a horrible year for WWE

[@MaleWAMFan290]

True but at least we didn't have to see that stupid Thunderdome anymore after MITB

[@absolutezero2-qk3ks]

​@Jacob Andrews Roman and The Bloodline was terrible back in 2021

[@FHJonesYT]

@@absolutezero2-qk3ks bloodline carried 2021

[@sinatrawrld8025]

The weird noises never fail to get a chuckle out of me

[@JoeMacca93]

As a huge fan of the fiend this was genuinely upsetting how the character was done so dirty and was deliberately set up to fail I was sat there gob smacked watching it live, nearly woke up everyone in the house at how annoyed I was

[@garrettbell8180]

I got a good one: The Headshrinkers, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Bastion Booger vs Mo Doink, Mabel Doink, Luke Doink, and Butch Doink at Survivor Series 93.

[@bobbylee6421]

Hilariously the WWE KZbin channel just put this video out half an hour ago so I can more easily watch the match with this video and I love it.

[@xtiandg0914]

You know the irony is you posted this reaction the exact day WWE posted the full match in their KZbin channel 😂

[@1987TimeLord]

For the next series, Hollywood Hogan Vs Warrior from WCW 1998. I forget the ppv it was on, but the failed fireball is so memorably cringe

[@zackattack3867]

Halloween Havoc

[@roketpig7637]

this was the payoff for a 5 year storyline

[@MisterRandomEncounter]

The closest thought i have is that Sister Abigail possessed bliss and looked down on the fiend which was a disappointing result to Bray Wyatt's journey twisting fate towards Orton. Thus screwing the Fiend out of returning to the world by taking away his victory and his servant in one swift motion. I say closest because if you made Brays story a video game it in my opinion almost requires as much research as FNAF to understand.

[@ryanliederbach6939]

I would like to suggest DX vs Brothers of Destruction Crown Jewel

[@nathangibbs7149]

If this is a quest for the worst match ever, then wouldn't it stand to reason that the person who shows up the most in these would be arguably the worst wrestler? Unrelated, where's Sid?

[@ammamamma22]

Saw a video from WWE on KZbin posted yesterday that ranks this fiend entrance as No.6 of best entrances in WrestleMania history?!? As a fan of Brays character, I think his debut entrance against Finn was my all time favorite. This one falls a bit far from the mark in my book. Shame that “this” was the end of the fiend.

[@lancecarter5722]

I said I wouldn't watch these matches again.............yet here I am...........support Wrestletalk 👍

[@rockersunite122]

Fun fact, the day you guys upload this, wwe made this free to watch on KZbin. Lol.

[@G_Rez]

Vince visibly shitting himself when his own music starts playing because he thinks he's selling for Austin's music hitting is a laugh out loud moment

[@OptimusProvost]

Honestly there’s a lot of fun in Mr. McMahon vs Pat Mcafee. I predict it’ll be near the bottom of the rankings but above Jenna and Sharmell

[@ljmickey4167]

It's not a box. IT'S A BOX LIKE STRUCTURE

[@Brodysseus]

Watching the live reactions as well, and Luke made the same point of "What was the point of crispy Fiend then?"

[@Sanct1mon1a]

Pete - "this is butt ass". never a greater way to talk about The Fiend during the COVID era.

[@shotgunnsean]

Correction Luke. I think you'll find it is not a box, it's a box like structure.

[@delagjon]

No no no no guys, it's not a simple box, it's a BOX LIKE STRUCTURE

[@JMC1396]

In honour of this match it should now be called " the brewdog box like structure"

[@danzignorberg6729]

I don't know about worst, but most damaging? Strong case there.

[@Homerstar]

This match was way longer than I remember it being. I remembered enjoying it at the time (until the ending of course) but watching this back, I think I was just excited to see the Fiend again. You know, until this match killed my excitement of ever seeing him again.

[@jakieboy9995]

Can I just say that I like this feature - videos are great. But can you take out the part in the intro where Luke says he loves bad wrestling. It’s plainly obvious he doesn’t enjoy bad wrestling hence his anger during all these videos so far

[@JoeWritesThis]

Love these vids! Has anyone suggested the truly dreadful "Four Doinks" (M.O.M./Bushwackers) match from Survivor Series 93? Keep up the awesome work. 🙂

[@Darro85]

If so, I bet it was the OSW Review guys! :P

[@Darbicus1]

Some WCW Suggestions: Hollywood Hulk Hogan vs Warrior- Halloween Havoc 1998 Doomsday Cage Match- Uncensored 1996 Hollywood Hogan & Eric Bischoff vs. DDP & Jay Leno- Road Wild 1998 Randy Savage vs Dennis Rodman- Road Wild 1999 Junkyard Battle Royal- Bash at the Beach 1999

[@Boom12]

Following wrestling around that time...man, how low it all was. Bray, Alexa and a demotivated Orton was a painful ride for Wrestlemania. I'd also like to recommend Lillian Garcia vs. Howard Finkel in an Evening Gown/Tuxedo match on Monday Night Raw.

[@axeadaptor7615]

I can't wait for you guys to watch Taker Vs Gonzalez and Hogan Vs Warrior in WCW

[@chocolatecoveredgames]

Luke taking trash on Bliss will never not be funny to me. Luke hates her so much and it's the funniest thing.

[@YourPal1]

He doesn't hate her. He hates her fiend character.

[@SpencerBPD]

You guys gotta put Vince McMahon vs Bret Hart (Wrestlemania 26) in the box.

[@Danknight619]

A few suggestions for Worst Match Ever: •The Miz vs John Cena Wrestlemania 27 •DX vs The Brothers of Destruction Crown Jewel 2018 •Kofi Kingston vs Brock Lesnar Smackdown October 4th 2019 • Undertaker vs Giant Gonzalez Wrestlemania 9 • Sting Vs Jeff Hardy Victory Road 2011

[@lightscameronreaction6860]

1. Vince vs Pat 2. Zombies 3. Fiend vs Randy 4. Gown Match 5. Oldberg vs Undertaker 6. Jenna vs Sharmell 7. Extreme Chamber

[@AcidSalamander7331]

I will say hand on heart that Maximillion Pegasus and his toon world monsters were more intimidating then this final death rattle of the fiend

[@pokeadam115]

Thinking back on this feud and the characters involved, I feel like Vince learned how popular Suicide Squad and Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn was years after it came out, and tried to capitalize on it when it was way past it's time.

[@_Pauper_]

I’ll be watching all of these over the next 2 days since I incidentally ended up with Peacock. Great series and the best use of a free subscription.

[@Surv1vor1993]

On the topic of setting The Fiend on fire at TKC, I remember seeing that and I could not breathe I was laughing so hard. One of the most unintentionally funny moments in WWE history; probably the funniest thing since Snitsky punted the baby in 2004

[@diabeticman2194]

The RKO while he was on fire was cool tbf

[@Surv1vor1993]

@@diabeticman2194 I especially liked how after Randy hit the RKO, the fire went out. So if your house is ever on fire, just give the house an RKO

[@Brodysseus]

Wow! I mean, obviously the whole video is great, and Tempest starting the goofy intro was good, but Pete's funny voice this time got me snorty laughing, so you know it's the best part!

[@ruemante9265]

Pete, that was a great Weird Al reference

[@mikeminor8932]

Pete singing Rkelly had my dying🤣🤣🤣

[@FredDaGodSon8]

21:10 Pete watches Trapped in the Closet 🤣

[@MikeHughey728]

The best-worst thing bout that match is Michael Cole calling the Alexa's big cube thing a "box-like structure." A BOX-LIKE STRUCTURE. You mean like a BOX, Michael?

[@sven_bender]

12:50 Perfect delivery there Tempest 😂

[@tbelmont5467]

I think this may have been the hardest choice this series may have for a good while. I don't think something on this show deserved a tie more, but I will make one final point that I don't remember being made or at least as focused on. It is not just the end of a multi month program between some top talent at WrestleMania. This is the end of The Fiend and for a long time this was the end of Bray Wyatt in WWE. This was going to be the legacy of one of the most creatively promising performers in so many years. Could you image if he had retired after this match, just put up his boots for The Fiend vs Randy Orton. I don't know if it pushes it above zombies, but it does make me look at it a bit differently.

[@Crusader_Jones]

It’s so weird WWE posted this full match free on KZbin the same day!

[@musicwarrior3755]

I don't know how bad it is, but there's Octagoncito and Mascarita Dorada vs. Pequenio Halloween and Tigresa Caliente that caught some -5 star heat from Bryan and Vinny.

[@simonwood6509]

Here's one that's a bit off the wall - Rick Steiner vs Scott Steiner at Fall Brawl 1998. A marquee match that...yeah...

[@BreezyStreamy]

I'd like to propose one more argument in favor of Fiend vs Orton: this was the first show back with fans. This was the fiend's return match. This was the welcome back to the fans and too many of the fans' favorite character. Expectations were high for it at least around the special effects and the payoff. So it was more disappointing overall. I don't think anyone had any expectations for Priest vs Miz.

[@hendrixjcs10]

I still remember this match like it was yesterday (plz hit me to forget it) but then thing I remember the most from being at Mania in Tampa is that after both Alexa and Fiend “disappear” is the loud boos from the crowd and just flat out told me that it was the worst match they have watched live. I couldn’t agree more but at least the main event of night 2 was a banger to forget it for a bit. Great trip down memory lane for my mania weekend but this match can go to the bin lol.

[@mmoses2991]

I don't think things like the aftermath or build-up should be included in the conversation when determining how bad a match is. These matches should (mostly) be viewed in a vacuum. This isn't "worst storyline ever", it's "worst match ever"

[@jaredfauber7507]

Another week, another suggestion for: Triple Cage Match, Jeff Jarrett vs DDP vs David Arquette

[@paulblyth6568]

They should do the 2022 Men's Royal Rumble match, such a disappointment of one of the biggest matches of the year

[@diabeticman2194]

Tempest's face in the thumbnail sums up the match so well

[@spoogtastic]

Watching this video AFTER the bray doc and finding out that bray couldnt work in the crispy fiend stuff makes this far less frustrating.

[@tobyburgess2684]

I’m gonna keep suggesting Hollywood Hogan vs The Warrior from Halloween Havoc 1998 until I at least know whether it’s already present in the cavalcade of crapness 😂

[@kylecollopy9262]

I just noticed the pen and Sharpe in the intro 😂😂, I thought they were a fork and a knife 😅

[@GQSmoos]

I feel like no one ever asks the opposite question. “Tonight, when you’re alone in your apartment, you *have* to watch one of these matches. Which one?” I personally wouldn’t hesitate to choose Zombies over this.