RANK 1 LEGEND! (Meta Game Analysis) [Hearthstone]

[@WestPictures]

Instructions unclear, made beast rogue and am destroying at rank 26

[@mikehunt3426]

LUL all hail the mighty meta-breaker

[@sasquanchhsg4729]

I'm doing well with murloc warrior

[@mikehunt3426]

Azad Hussain you know your post is getting up there when azad hussain spams botting shit on your comments gachiGASM

[@mtgmight353]

Sike that shit actually exist now LUL

[@Mark-sz7nd]

My win condition is patches bcos it allows me to thin out my deck.

[@Zonjo-]

Reynad actually happy? this isn't what i subbed for

[@LazyMaybe]

he's still salty about how people talk about patches so it's ok

[@patrickallen6158]

whats so great about Patches? such a weak ass card.

[@JackFroster]

'I haven't played a lot only about 4 hours each day.' We have very different ideas on what 'a lot' of games are. I get sick of playing after about 6 matches.

[@LicensedTaddus]

TheJackFroster It's not your job to play hearthstone though

[@noisenotmusictapes]

TheJackFroster And he mentioned its 4 hours a day off stream. He plays 4 to 6 hours on stream already.

[@MrRaja]

Reynad loves Hearthstone deep inside somewhere he still has hope...

[@AngelofDethMetal]

for a pro player thats about the minimum you can get away with. And yeah, he said 4 hours off stream so he's actually playing like 8 hours a day, no way you can get to Rank 1 otherwise

[@ulfskalkam3005]

TheJackFroster i have School til 4 på i play over 6 hours a day

[@bryanoberholtzer]

But whats Reno Lock's thin-condition?

[@utspish]

Ethan Viles, read the question again. It didn't ask for an answer.

[@thelu5661]

whoosh

[@danmer414]

good one sir

[@saksikasi]

Eat less, work out more

[@badf0cusXD]

I legitimately don't understand

[@gladJonas]

After reaching rank 1 legend, Reynad gives his analysis of the current meta game.

[@KydroxHD]

I thought he was talking about savjz on his stream when a handsome fellow got to rank one

[@joaomoulin1680]

LUL

[@KydroxHD]

Yeah but then I was like: are they on different servers? I thought they did Heyman - Savjz is a handsome fellow. I wont question if Reyrey knew that he has a large penis I wont judge. KappaPride

[@sunnyhvar1992]

Of course Finja is good in murloc Paladin, it thins your deck by 2 when the effect goes off! Really helps you reach your win condition much faster!

[@JPLew]

"Because of its' incredible potential, I put Lock and Load as my #1 most OP card in The Grand Tournament." -- Reynad 2015

[@holyflygon]

i miss the handlock meta the mirror match up was my fav and all around my favorite deck

[@CrazyHand196]

Hey man...Renolock is still good....

[@holyflygon]

yea but its not the same as handlock the whole if ur playing against it dont put them below 15 or they double giant and taunt and the deck as a whole was alot more skillfull deck

[@LvLdGhost]

Holyflygon that's power creep.

[@francofx]

Yea man. i got my warlock Golden during the old handlock meta.... those were good old times.

[@MrClarktom]

i still play handlock in wild but its not the same without molten giants. Why did blizzard nerf my two fav decks ever, neither of which were OP (molten giant for handlock and blade flurry for oil rogue)

[@archaontheeverchosen7980]

Keep making ones like this its a video form of the meta snapshot.

[@infinix1249]

Only people as handsome as Reynad can get Rank 1 legend, can code tempo give me 10% more handsomeness?

[@CallMeTipz]

Only 10% off handsomeness I'm afraid...

[@ConstantineIII]

Sadly code temop only taketh and giveth nothing. So you can only lose handsomeness with code tempo I'm afraid.

[@XGMPinachet]

But it can take off ugliness though!

[@alexanderfakerson2346]

only 10% off, not that 10% more would have done much for you i'm afraid...

[@XGMPinachet]

alexander fakerson that's actually a compliment if you think about it

[@ainoakeisari]

I wanna see a rant video on how people are using "Win Condition" incorrectly.

[@nickmagrick7702]

RIGHT? everyones wrong but im not gunna explain why. To be fair it might be so he still has an advantage over other people, which is fair if he knows something we dont

[@knightofpartyknightofparty5294]

Well birthstone dissent really have any true "win conditions" in the first place

[@DrAlchem01]

TheKimpula What's the actual definition? I personally use it as "the means by which a deck wins" but I only picked up card games about a year or 2 back so idk

[@ainoakeisari]

DrAlchem01 I'm in the exact same situation as you and I use it similarly myself so I'd like to know as well.

[@aidendenike3759]

Its kinda a difficult term to explain but in Hearthstone, there is only one real win condition: Get your opponent to zero health while you have 1 or more. Then for example, say in jade druid people say the win condition is "make your jade minions very big so every turn you can fill your board with op stuff" but even when you get your minions to that strength you can still lose, either by them clearing enough that you run out of cards, the board doesn't matter in the match ex. Freeze mage, and because you you have this "win condition" and the idea behind a win condition is that when this condition is met, you win the game regardless but this isn't the case. Even when people say win conditions vary from matchup to matchup, it still isn't a real win condition. Ex play jaraxxus against priest, and thats your win condition. But what if the priest runs burst? Or nefarian? Then you can just lose. TL:DR win conditions should be something, that when met, is a 100% win

[@tomzicare]

When Reno goes out everyone will cry :)

[@HDuser100]

I really really really hope they do something out of the box and keep reno just for the immense contribution that he had as a whole to hearthstone. Like make him classic, it would be amazing!

[@HDuser100]

tomzicare It's not about just warlock. There are so many other decks that have been created just because reno exists, and I would love to see more of those, making some "unplayable" cards have a chance in those decks since you have to have 30 different cards in there.

[@certifiedgyrltheinnocentgo5115]

I play Handlock to a pretty nice winrate actually, molten giant nerf sucked, but now we get mistress of mixtures and kabal courier which are pretty sweet in control and midrange/aggro matchups.

[@SuzakuX]

I would assume that they'll bring in some new healing effects in the next expansion, whether or not they'll have the 'no duplicates' clause. The devs seem to want to avoid releasing more non-conditional neutral healing effects, so we'll probably see some new class-specific heals. Taking warlock, for example, they have a ton of iconic healing and damage mitigation abilities in WoW that still haven't been implemented in HS, being by far the tankiest caster in the game. Soulwell, Healthstone, Soulstone, Soul Leech, Soul Link, Demonskin, Nether Ward, and Unending Resolve, to name a few.

[@josephcheung6243]

tomzicare

[@Saruman1000]

One of the OG deck builders, respect man. Haven't watched you in a while

[@brandalgo]

Congratulations on Rank 1! It must feel very rewarding! It's great seeing people enjoy what they do

[@Tjeliep]

I usually don't care about the meta snapshot. I rather find it out ingame what decks are being played, then to read something that's slightly after the meta unfolds. But seeing it in a video form is very interesting. Thanks for giving your thoughts, it's very informative and helpful! Also lowkey taking ideas for card choices :P

[@Sonserf369]

Great job Reynad! Video was very informative as always. While watching Batstone I think most of the audience was also coming up with the same sort of conclusions even when the format wasn't an exact mirror of the ladder meta (Renolock being the best deck, Pirate decks being able to steal a couple wins, Dragon Priest being slightly underwhelming, Paladin being basically unplayable). Anyway, I would love to see a video where you go more in depth in those pet peeves that you mentioned regarding terms like 'win condition" and "thinning".

[@TheEarthdeity]

There are card games where deck thinning exists as a meaningful concept. In Yu-Gi-Oh people run "Upstart Goblin", a spell that literally draws one card and heals your opponent for 1000. It does nothing, it combos with nothing, it just removes one slot from the deck. And in that game that card is good - and the reason is deck thinning, pure and simple.

[@Begeru]

And in the latest banlist Upstart Goblin was limited to 1.

[@semantik95]

I think Reynad's point is that Patches does thin your deck and thinning is generally good, but since Patches is run in aggressive decks which will never go to fatigue and almost every card (if not every card) is damage anyway, the thinning aspect of Patches is worthless.

[@sadsheep]

How is the thinning part worthless? You have a greater chance to draw better cards. That's what makes it op

[@TheEarthdeity]

I think that would have been a reasonable point, but he said "if you use the word thinning AT ALL in ANY card game, in anything you're talking about, you're bad at the game" which is just completely untrue. There aren't really any meaningful deck thinning cards in hearthstone, but other games do have them - like my example.

[@ellishunter1605]

Oligoden you're completely wrong. statistically, deck thinning does very little. getting patches out of your deck thins your deck by less than 1%.

[@Caleb-lw3yq]

Savjz used Krul in his renolock deck when he was chilling at rank one. Confirmed playable.

[@notseillo84]

I love your videos and your thoughts about the game man. You are actually the only popular Hearthstone streamer that actually seems to know something about card games. Thank you a lot for your videos. Keep up the great work Reynyboo :)

[@bobthebuilderhecanbuildit]

Thinning was definitely relevant in secret paladin. taking 5 secrets out of the deck on turn 6 made draws significantly better throughout the game

[@SonicHaXD]

Very good video! Looking forward to seeing how the meta goes XD

[@Quniverse]

Thanks for droppin' this hot knowledge on us!

[@BornInsane0]

"mostly yes.." lmao keeping it real reynad. Love it.

[@aaronh248]

I think renolock is the best example of how this game should be played. You have go think, its back and forth, you have multiple options on situations, you have great tech cards, you have healing and board clears and able to completely change your hero into a badass

[@Eleechee]

This is pretty what I have seen evidenced on streams to the word. Nice analysis.

[@outcast1134]

Really good video, Reynad, interesting and informative. Would love to see some gameplay of the two decks you mentioned as being your most useful during your climb, Aggro Shaman for lower ranks and Renolock for higher ranks. Might serve as a good way to teach us plebs a little about the decks, their matchups and what makes them powerful.

[@francofx]

As a Heavy control player...all those jade decks make me want to uninstall the Game. Rip my control warrior. switched to combo renolock instead.

[@solmyr2]

well combo renolock is as control as you get. Sad that control warrior is gone but maybe dragon warrior is good vs jade, but I have to check more

[@StanjeBrojila]

On the bright side, numerous aggro pirate warriors/shamans/rogues might push out the jade cancer completely and then your control warrior beats ALL the pirates plus the hunters who beat the Reno decks.

[@juttyism]

On the bright side we have aggro beating midrange beating control beating aggro like a proper game.

[@MrClarktom]

no we dont. Pirate warrior will be a renolock regularly and dragon priest can beat control decks, despite being midrange

[@lukedavies6646]

+Stanjebrojila Control warrior doesn't beat pirates, it's far too slow.

[@Champion_14]

What is the issue with using the phrase "win condition"? I find it to be useful when outlining a deck's strengths and weaknesses versus other decks.

[@Enzevil]

Love these kind of videos man, keep them coming!

[@thibaultvandenbogaerde1504]

Thanks for the vid Reydad. I already knew ur a cardgame doctor but look at you going over all those possible options. Good luck in the future!

[@InvestingBookSummaries]

13:18 Check Out Kripp's Reno Priest list (Chansey Priest) with an OTK. It changes what the control lists win and lose to, it's actually pretty nice.

[@Torrenaxe]

Thanks Reynad. This exact Reno lock of yours got me to legend first time ever. Greetings from Holland.

[@SaintPuppetS]

Old Giant HandLock and Oil Rogue were my favorite decks in the game...Most fun, most skill oriented decks this game has ever had. Haven't played game in a year i have no idea what's happening now tbh

[@TiresAreForCars]

Your point on the thinning with patches is 100 percent correct but to say that its always an irrelevant thing to consider is just flat out wrong. For instance consider secret paladin, which often ran 6-7 secrets and would play the challenger on turn six if possible. In that deck you would see anywhere from 3-5 secrets being pulled from your deck. By turn six, assuming no outside draw, you've drawn 9 total cards, leaving you with 21 cards. Assuming you get 5 secrets (best result) you've removed 23% of your remaining cards- each of which is a bad draw. On what planet is that statistically insignificant?

[@gerhardvanderberg930]

Yes, to prove your point let's use a scenario that can not be achieved at all by Patches. Yes deck thinning can help in most card games. In a Hearthstone pirate deck the conditions surrounding Patches being summoned on turn one has a lot bigger impact than thinning your deck by one card. Pirate Warrior often win the game by turn 5 or 6. Most lists are aggressive with no high cost minions. In a deck with that much synergy, almost any draw is a good draw. Can you really say the deck thinning of one card when Patches was summoned, was the cause of your turn 5 win and has nearly as much of an effect in a significant number of games than having and extra 1/1 minion on board with charge at no cost in terms of mana or cards in hand. Deck thinning is better in any game when you are not involved in a fatigue game. In the case of Patches however, it is the least important factor in why the card is good and should only be used as an added after thought in a debate over whether a card is good.

[@TiresAreForCars]

If you watched the video you would have heard him say "if you use thinning at all in any card game at all for anything you talked about" your post makes no sense. If you read my post where I clearly stated that he's right in regards to patches, your post makes no sense.

[@khattraaa]

One of the big points with secret paladin was that the majority of the secrets had really good effects and had good synergy with each other. Yeah, the thinning was nice, but if they all had shitty effects it never would've gotten played in the first place even if it thinned your deck. The fact that your opponent had to deal with their next minion being dropped to 1 hp, avenge, get down, another get down or another challenger (depending on how it was cleared), AND put something on board was what made it so good. Challenger did way too much in one turn for the opponent to handle, the thinning was secondary to how good playing the secrets was.

[@xXPrazenXx]

Can you give a video explaining why decks shouldn't focus on a win condition? I always thought it was good to have a way to finish off a game with combo/late game cards to avoid a dead late game (with control decks).

[@cbridger7142]

Video on thinning and win condition, lets go!

[@nefariousnilbog]

Great vid and congrats on rank 1. Any chance you'll put up any Renolock vids on KZbin maybe some kind of guide? Whatever the case well played sir.

[@Yolen16]

why is the surf board covering the picture?

[@Yolen16]

He should have removed the picture first xd

[@orionweiss5418]

Reynad, would you consider putting together a tutorial video on reno Warlock, on how to mulligan for it and the trickier decisions?

[@mastegoh7139]

Thanks KZbin, for recommending me this video after TWO YEARS.

[@bigboss-qv7pe]

After 6 now

[@matthewsherren7001]

Hi

[@HarambeMemesin]

Awesome video. Best Reynad content in a while

[@darklordinateur]

Handbuff Paladin is WAY better than Handbuff Hunter.

[@solmyr2]

handbuff will never be top tier. bcz of devolve. That single card destroys an archetype.

[@darklordinateur]

***** Agreed. They are also far better midrange options atm with Dragon Priest and Midrange Shaman.

[@benchin3506]

devolve is an unplayable piece of shit and nobody wants it in their deck. far better options in shaman right now

[@staxstix]

devolve is an immediate autowin against any jade deck, though. if jade decks and/or slightly slower shaman decks (jade?) become a thing , devolve is certainly not "a piece of shit" - but at least an optional utility card.

[@patrickallen6158]

NOT even close dude.

[@RoastedPheasant]

Kripp made a Reno OTK Priest he called "Chansey Priest." Possibly the counter to renolock?

[@TyranidFerore]

Ive played that deck and its super bad against aggressive decks, Kripp claims its not but Its got kripps typical lack of early game in there. Why he didnt put a Wyrmrest agent in there I'll never know.

[@MehYam2112]

Chansey has enough card draw to keep up with Life Tap. It might be heavily favored v. Renolock.

[@67tedward]

Problem with that deck is the combo cards just make it worse against fast decks, and the combo needs you to be at high health. Compare it to the old raging worgen deck if you want to know what a meta defining combo deck should be like.

[@Artemis-zt7pb]

It's actually not. You have quite a lot of early drops (the deck, compared to some classic control decks, has a very low curve) and a lot of comeback mechanisms with Reno, doomsayer, potion of madness, book wyrm board clears, etc.

[@HiddenWen]

In theory, it has a combo that non mage reno decks can't counter. But it's extremely inconsistent. It sucks ass versus aggro and midrange, and it's not really good vs reno locks. Most of the time they will pull off their combo to kill you before you can finally get your 5 piece combo off.

[@Evercade_Effect]

Great rant! Thank you for explaining that the reason why Patches is so good or broken is because you get him as a free resource. It doesn't take up a card in your hand. Otherwise everyone would be running boar. I like your explanation that basically when you play a 1 drop pirate that patches is a flame imp with no down side. Looking forward to more of these videos.

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

i've been absolutely crushing priest and pirate warrior at legend with a hand buff paladin deck. more a control style deck dependent on 1) buffing acolyte of pain for a lot of draw, and 2) baiting out removal with big cards so the grimestreet enforcer can go unremoved for more than one turn. i tried an aggro style hand buff deck and it just sucked ass, too dependent on getting a good divine favor, which sucks in an aggro meta. but yeah i'm shocked you find the grimestreet paladin cards unplayable, my win rate is much higher with these decks than it was with any other paladin archetype. wickerflame burnbristle is also pretty good against pirate warrior. but one issue is my win rate is extremely low against reno lock. i haven't played THAT many reno locks so it could be just a coincidence, i remember not having equality + consecrate several times when i needed it, shit like that. doesn't seem like it should be a bad matchup - the reno lock doesn't have enough copies of removal to beat tirion, rag-lightlord, a bunch of uber buffed cards, AND 2 grimestreet enforcers. but the issue i was having was simply running out of steam because they found a way to deny card draw from my buffed acolytes, allowing them to put the pressure on me. paladin has notoriously shitty single-target removal for effect minions like sylvanas and emperor and this is exactly what fucked me in the matchup. aldor peacekeeper is a great card against turn 4 mountain giant but a terrible card against turn 6 emperor thaurissan. in so many situations i had to blow an equality just to remove emperor, and then i was screwed by turn 10 jaraxxus. but the deck absolutely crushed every priest i played, even a weird arcane giant + medivh list that ran 2x mind control (stole my 10/10 tirion and 12/12 rag-lightlord, AND got a sylvanas and a n'zoth from thoughtsteal). that was the only game that was even remotely close, every dragon priest or reno priest simply got wrecked by stats, card draw, and eq + cons, and quickly ran out of ways to deal with my value cards. this is pretty unusual considering the only control paladin deck that hasn't historically been hard countered by priest for the last year is anyfin due to its OTK potential. n'zoth paladin always got crushed by entomb so it's a really good sign i'm able to beat priest consistently, at legend, with a PALADIN deck. but i think this is partially a manifestation of the fact that the meta is less diverse right now, and 2x entomb is just not being run in most decks. the deck still relies on tirion so it's still weak to entomb, but control priest has been basically replaced by dragon priest and reno priest. the former tends to run no entombs and the latter can only run one, so it's a better matchup than it has been in the past. that said, i think hand buff paladin would still have a much better matchup against the traditional control priest with 2x entomb. it's just less susceptible to the card, since the deck's value is not 100% dependent on a murloc or a sylvanas/tirion dying and being resurrected. the deck can still have n'zoth or even anyfin; there are only 3 core hand buff cards, so that's 6 slots. my win rate is actually highest with n'zoth, but that's in wild where i can run belchers and shredders. anyway the advantage is simply that the deck obtains huge tempo & value from battlecries and static effects, not just deathrattles, so it can't be hard countered by entomb. even if your grimestreet enforcer is stolen, it's still gotten its effect off at least once and it's not gonna be as hard for you to counter when they eventually play it. plus there are still 4 other buff cards in the deck that can't be stolen. definitely doesn't seem unplayable to me, although it's definitely got polarized matchups. it either absolutely crushes the opponent or gets absolutely shit on; never any close games, except against that arcane giant priest. and by the way it tends to shit on jade druid in particular as well. it does pretty much the same thing they do: play progressively bigger and bigger minions and threaten continuous value. only it does it a lot faster, often before they can react, and it can be a lot harder for them to counter you than it is for you to counter them. not only can you buff your power minions (acolyte of pain in particular) a lot faster than they can start buffing their jade golems, but jade golems are wrecked by aldor peacekeeper, keeper of uldaman, and equality. druid's only way to deal with a 12/12 ragnaros lightlord is mulch, and most decks just don't have it. and that's just one minion, the deck ends up playing 1-drops that you'd have to mulch. so you can play giant minions before they can, and even when they finally get their 7/7s and 8/8s and 9/9s on board, you can counter their giant minions for 2-4 mana while they can't even kill yours for 10 mana. i'm not even sure why people are playing jade golems right now tbh. doesn't beat dragon priest, doesn't beat reno priest or reno lock, doesn't come close to beating hand buff pally, and sure as hell doesn't beat pirate warrior. its earliest taunt is 6 fucking mana, and its only heal is maybe 1 copy of feral rage, and somehow people think this is a good deck in the meta lol. that said, i built a stolen goods/taunt control warrior deck and got absolutely crushed by jade golems. so i guess it doesn't lose to everything. so yeah clearly control warrior has been pushed out of the meta, and hard countering control warrior was supposed to be the whole point of playing a card like jade idol. maybe jade golems can be strong if refined a bit, activating the early jade golem tokens with sunfury protector and defender of argus so the matchup against pirate warrior isn't so terrible. that's the main problem as i see it, the deck has infinite value with the right card draw engine (auctioneer) but that's only if it can survive the early game onslaught from dragon priest and pirate warrior. the first 3 or 4 jade golems are basically worthless if they're not activated by sunfury or argus so i think those would be good, but yeah even if you smooth out the matchup against pirate warrior, with only cards like living roots, wrath, and swipe, you still have no way to punch through a priest's high health minions if they remove your board. the fact that you can't distribute the damage over two turns due to priest's healing is exactly what i anticipated would eventually make priest oppressive. with the right high health minions, priest is just absurd against any class without hard removal, and druid is exactly that. but with many of the strongest dragon synergy cards rotating out of the format, this oppression might be short lived

[@zapflash270]

Would you be able to post or send me a deck list? I used to love playing more control paladin decks and have all the cards for it, but my current lists just arent so good anymore. And being low on dust a list using most of the cards i have would be quite helpful

[@aidendenike3759]

Toxically Masculine i would also like a copy of this decklist, sounds like a really cool deck. Also, jade druid does suck a lot, but i still see them at really high ranks and i wonder how they got there. Ive played quite a bit of jade druid and even when it gets to its insane late game, i still lose (one game i got to the point where i had played every card in my deck and the cards i had left where jade idols, and the priest played doomsayer, i couldnt play anything, then just played his hand and won). As for your deck, i would think not beating renolock would be its biggest weakness by far, because renolock is favoured in almost every matchup, and if this deck is favoured against everything but renolock, and renolock is favoured against everything, this deck could be considered an inferior version of renolock.

[@kardrasa]

Thinning as a concept makes sense, but I'm not sure it does in this case. I mean if your objective is to kill your opponent as fast as possible you would want the most efficient cards to do so. Let's just say 20 of the 30 cards in your deck are more efficient at killing your opponent than the other 10. So now if you remove 1 card from the less efficient 10 cards that means that your deck is now better at killing your opponent.

[@Amstadhelloween]

win condition is a very relevant term, but in other games like magic the gathering, in HS only few decks have their specific win conditions, like a super greedy hard control deck, freeze mage and some weird combos usually in HS everything is a win condition, you can slam your opponent 10 times in a row with a 3/3 that heals 3 and win the game with it if you have proper board control

[@homburger2187]

Great renowarlock decklist, Reynad. Mucho gracias.

[@Karacis]

Thanks for sharing! I use to love handlock back in the day, i'll have to give RenoLock a chance. Maybe i'll enjoy it too :)

[@NoSkillsNoFun]

Halfway in and I got a few questions. Why don't you play Leeroy + PO + Faceless in your reno lock ? Also, I personally don't struggle much with my reno priest against reno lock, without burst shenanigans even though I tried it (some stormwind knight + divine spirit + inner fire + faceless combos, for 20 damage, also a velen variant), but I kinda stuck with a double shadowform priest, recent addition was garrison commander for a possible 10 dmg burst just in case. Could probably weave in a velen for 12 damage. Medivh + Mind control / Kazakus potion for 10 mana can be devastating too, they usally play their oozes early. Currently sitting at 67% winrate, but the warrior matchup sucks sadly. Also, I always thought the jade druid decks are meant to counter controll decks / reno decks, endless threats and so on, its rather slow, but without leeroy combo, how do you out tempo them ?

[@watchyourprofanity8708]

"Once the metagame gets refined." Funny way of saying, "Once everyone netdecks.."

[@HDuser100]

No people already netdeck. The thing is they are not sure what to netdeck yet.

[@watchyourprofanity8708]

Stelios Aek As braindead as pirate warrior is, i don't think regular people can create it, and since they got whopped at rank 18 by it, they probably just looked it up.

[@HDuser100]

Samuel Jackson Actually they can. Put in all the charge minions, all the good pirates, the face damage to finish off and that's pretty much it.

[@watchyourprofanity8708]

Stelios Aek then that just goes to show how straightforward pirate warrior is.

[@HDuser100]

Samuel Jackson Yeah he really is, well hearthstone has to appeal to every kind of audience you know right?

[@derekadams32]

OMG I saw this deck so many times last night. Thanks Reynad.

[@juttyism]

Krul is good in the sense that he has synergy with the add x random demons to your hand off of the Kazakus potion, but the deck doesn't need that to win and it's pretty shaky anyways. So at least some thought went into his design. Inkmaster Solia again seems to synergize mostly with Kazakus. She has synergy with flamestrike and firelands portal as well but then she's just a 0 mana 5/5, and that's been done better a few times.

[@NoOne-us9xv]

Protip: Synergies don't necessarily make a card (or combination of cards) good if it's just not something you care about. Renolock is (was) mostly a deck about starving resources, and you almost never want the random demons anyway. You take that if there's literally nothing better you could do with the options it presents. Krul is not worth devoting a slot to that. If anything, I'd say kabal trafficker would be better synergy but like Krul, that card is just not good enough to be worth a slot. It probably would've been the way to go if you were intent on running Krul just for the sake of it, I guess.

[@tophatdemon3796]

How does jade druid and otk druid not beat reno

[@stanlygoodlife7231]

I think Reynad said this because RenoLock has a lot of boardclears who can destroy those 8/8 golems. You have Twisting Nether which is the best card to deal with Jade Goldems, you have shadowflame and the Kazakus sheep spell. Personally I have lost against a jade druid as renolock just because he had too much stuff that I couldn't clear, but I think Reynad means that they should have enough boardclear to deal with Jade Golems.

[@bigbudha7508]

renolcok gets way faster on board , what does jade druid do against a turn 4 giant or drake followed by an argus or faceless shambler? it just gives renolock so mucht ime to pull these plays off because there is zero pressure. if something goes wrong they have a massive amount of board clears and jarraxus who can outvalue druid.

[@ulfskalkam3005]

Tophat Demon dont steal my question ya fuck : D

[@tophatdemon3796]

Big Budha you can't out value infinite 15/15 s and remember it's 1/30 to draw mountain giants and whatever which can be dealt which.

[@bigbudha7508]

+Tophat Demon just a few examples i named. in general you can say renolock is faster and by the time jade gets its big guys down renolock is in a winning position already. everyone agrees that reno is favoured , lifecoach or kolento made the same statement

[@roberteriksen6434]

9:59 I never thought i should say this, but i am actually triggered :D Fetchlands in MTG are so good not only for their ability to fix your manabase, but also for their ability to 'thin out' your lands. You can play with a high number of lands to secure you get lands on your starting hand, while thinning out the other land cards of your deck for the late game. Playing fetchlands basically says: On your first turns, have a high chance of getting lands, but not drawing them later in the game, cause you 'thinned' them out. Playing 24 lands is a control-ish land-count, with played 4 fetchlands, you're drawing like aggro. I might be wrong, i just don't see how yet.

[@Zeroeah]

We understand that you don't like what MTG did to you but hearing someone like yourself try to argue that .28 < .27 is literally irritating and a lot of people would call you bad for believing that thinning in any sense doesn't actually matter if they're just small degrees. You could have stopped and said I don't think it's too effective, but if you're actually trying to increase your margins to a small degree, which is the way 90-10 games work, but you didn't, you called everyone bad who actually believes in it. I want you to go to all card counters in blackjack and tell them that their card count does not matter, to any magic player that plays fetch lands that 1 land doesn't matter, that the creators of other TCG platforms that ban cycling cards with no relevant cost that they do not matter. In case you're wondering most people who say the word "thinning" or "win-condition" know exactly what they mean, so don't let your ego go to your head. When all the pro players are done playing tournaments we'll gladly see you floating in the mid-tier "real" legend players once more.

[@dinospumoni663]

anthony gilliam This has been discussed and confirmed ad nauseum: the benefit of deck thinning 1 card is marginal enough to be arbitrary. Cards like fetchlands would still be used exactly as much if they didn't thin your deck. They are used for color correction and shuffling, the thinning effect is arbitrary. And conversely, they are rarely ever used in decks that don't benefit from color correction or shuffling (mono color decks). There are a handful of people who use them only because they don't understand the math.

[@Zeroeah]

I'm happy that you've decided to engage in a conversation that you know little to nothing about. I'll let you sit here and continue to think that 3% in HS is not a big deal when you're working with a 90-10 scale. The fact that you try to blow this up like it's confirmed that .28 = .27 over a long period of simulations is laughable.

[@pontaz]

"so don't let your ego go to your head" His ego can marry and generate an endless offspring with such a spacious forehead

[@drunyon214]

I don't care at all about the majority of what you just said, but you're wrong about fetchlands in MTG. The tiny benefit of thinning your deck is not worth the life loss, which is their drawback; therefore, they should not be used in monocolor decks. If they didn't cost a life, they would be worth using in monocolor decks, but as it stands, the deck thinning alone is not a good enough reason to run them.

[@dinospumoni663]

Lol @ 3%. Like I said, you don't understand the math.

[@ExceedSC2]

This meta is the most fun I've had playing hearthstone in a long time, I always feel like I always have control over the outcome of the game. Wins feel earned, losses feel deserved. I

[@safiqureshi7051]

What's a good replacement for big game hunter?

[@themaharishi8160]

Your rant videos are the best. Actually the only ones I even bother watching ;)

[@Maren617]

TheMaharishi This is actually a "yay, I'm happy" video...

[@neXianXaviaX]

Thinning isn't a good reason, but it makes your decks more consistent overall. It's a small detail, and it rarely defines the game, but every time you draw a good card when you would draw a 30th average card is % points. Small points, but running a 29 card deck is pretty good, especially when it just adds +1/+1 with charge to your one drop. Especially when it costs you nothing.

[@A5ylumPri5oner]

You hate the term deck thinning, but i know for a fact, in yugioh, if you do not have ways to thin your deck or have a million searches, your deck is probably to slow and isn't played.

[@dah0heavy]

yu-gi-oh shouldn't be played... ever

[@A5ylumPri5oner]

dah0heavy in your opinion sure, doesn't mean tons of people don't play it.

[@angeloskoulas2157]

A5ylumPri5oner yea but yugioh decks have more cards and you don't have that many ways to draw so you might play "bad" cards just for thinning while in HS all classes have a way to draw a bunch of cards, plus there are good neutral draws (acolyte, azure)

[@HDuser100]

Just like in magic, deck thinning is a thing, I do not understand why he hates the term that much.

[@Liger_Rusto]

"I play fetchlands in my mono colored deck to thin my deck" BrokeBack

[@hashiramasenju3246]

Someone make a compilation of every time Reynad has said "win condition" or "thinning out my deck" on camera..

[@iPypah]

grats on 1! thats why youre the man... keep doing what you do breh! and thanks for the vid!

[@josueandresperezjaen7164]

Thank you for you're list reynad, i've tryed it out and im 8/1 so far, keep it up!

[@Tsuki_Itsubi]

Tried a version of the Reno-Lock deck, except subbed Sylvan and Jarax for Arch-Thief and Black Knight since I lack both them. Deck is great, also it's really interesting how helpful Arch-Thief has been. Ended up getting a 10+/10+ Black Knight and then copying it with Shambles, very brutal.

[@stickmandaninacan]

agree with reynad here, except I feel like reno mage is the ultimate deck right now in this meta (the list i have right now anyway), once again it does exactly the same as the other reno decks, but it beats priest and warlock, I think it is purely due to iceblock. You play it and keep it up the whole game against other reno decks which is not too hard, and it completely nullifies some of the finisher combos they use, and then you can set up to have like inkmaster pyroblast + raging torch or fireball if you have played thaurissan as a finisher move of your own (completely wrecks if they ever play jaraxxus). I'd imagine you can also put in alexstraza to further make the finisher happen, but I can't test it since i don't have that card. it works without it anyway.

[@DHREAVER]

Thinning may be a small effect but it's not nothing. And win conditions are an important thing to understand, if the only way you win the match up is with Jaraxus to get through their removal... Jaraxus is your win condition. Understanding this is important.

[@AB21]

I wish Reno was a classic card its gonna be sad to see him rotate out.

[@tiagocoelho9848]

Honestly, due to cards like Manic Soulcaster, reno mage gets quite the high win-rate vs the other renos. It just get a sub par shell vs fast decks, but it can be worked around. As for card draw, babbling book, both kabal cards, azure drake, arcane intelect manic soulcaster (kinda, if it hits on of the big daddys), conjurer, cabalist tome makes you get way more reach than priest, and go on par with draws vs lock. Excluding the mandatory early game cards, like the mixtures gal, twilight flamecaller is great vs pirate, so is volcanic potion (is way better than demonwrath vs a lock,specialy a zoo). Solia is stupidly underrated, the tempo swings do matter a lot. both for kaz, flamestrike board recover, or even free firelands or tomes, not overpowered, but above average for sure. Lastly, you have ice block, so you literaly can hold on reno forever, and get some manic value. Kazakus in the control mirror is just played vs other reno decks at least 2 times, with or without brann... honestly, reno mage is not taking the credit it deserves. You can argue that jaraxxus wins the game vs mage, but noone is gonna play a jaraxxus vs a class that has 50% of it's spells as burn damage, and you'll always hold to ooze for it anyway.

[@Maren617]

Reynad, how do you replace the pirate package in the aggro shaman deck?

[@santisinferno]

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[@Sartillery]

By building mid-range.

[@WillN98]

Do you think reno style decks, specifically renolock, will remain tier 1 after LOE rotates out or will they fall out of favor without a reliable heal?

[@omarpasha79]

where can i see the renolock decklist? it isnt too clear on the video

[@darknessdash1853]

patches is called a 0 mana 1/1 but what makes it special is that its a 0 mana 1/1 charge that is playable on turn one not like other cards which need more mana so basically most decks cant deal 1 damage to it on 1 mana

[@alexpena9927]

But how does renolock stand up to concede shaman?

[@Coldbidz]

the meta snapshot is still outdated, update pls

[@mikeaxer1625]

Coldbidz he said that he would 1 week after the expansion

[@Savvington_]

He doesn't make the snapshot, but he did say the multiple people that contribute to it would probably have it up in a week.

[@subrezon]

thanks for that shaman deck, streak of 14 wins straight to rank 5

[@mojache3]

Really insightful vid. Make more like this you handsome man

[@jaybegley7023]

What card/cards do you think are needed for Reno Mage to be good?

[@Nightknight1992]

hey by how you describe finja, its almost like deck thinning is good, drawing your win condition faster and also developing the setup faster... :)

[@Infinite_Jester]

The difference is that pirate warrior rarely plays games longer than turn 7 while murloc paladin goes to the end-game. If you're going to use 10 cards of a 30-card deck, having 29 cards in that deck won't do much to improve consistency.

[@Nightknight1992]

Tripticket did you watch the video? he generalized the term as stupid, he didnt specify it on patches.

[@Infinite_Jester]

***** Did you watch the video? The context was clearly centered around Patches.

[@Nightknight1992]

i just wanna know why the most mentally handicapped people always feel the need to have a shot at arguing with me without even recalling the mentioned part of the video one bit: 9:58 ''if you use the word thinning at all in any card game at all for anything youre talking about youre bad at the game'' - ye that sounds hella focused on patches and not generalized at fucking all.

[@iUnitSage]

Where can I find those decks? Im especially looking for reno mage deck. Thanks

[@ApolloDota]

Hey Reynad, in your opinion would Shaku see play given the current meta of mostly Jade Druid and Pirate Warrior. I think that it'd have some synergy with Shadow Sensei, and could survive lots of turns with the use of conceal and shadow steps. Thoughts of a thief rogue in the meta?

[@dinospumoni663]

Why do you prefer not to play combo?

[@mondrometal]

More Videos talking about this kind of Stuff man, it´s awesome content

[@Maren617]

Thanks a lot for the analysis!

[@TheUniversalEclipse]

Thinning in mtg is actual a very relevant thing. I agree that patches barely does anything to affect probability, but you can't say that thinning has no sway over all card games.

[@Parparsnipparsnip]

you may be right that thinning and win conditions are not good terms in hearthstone however they are extremely relevant in other card games like magic

[@jfree672]

hey reynad. can you give your thoughts on leeroy+po+faceless in renolock vs your deck? i thought the combo especially wins in the mirror but it doesnt seem that way considering your winrate.

[@konohahurricane07]

Druid's c'thun, king, aviana, brann combo deck crushes that deck. Doesn't matter if you're at full health c'thun does over 40 dmg and if thats not enough it gets bounced back with brew and immediately played again for 1 mana.

[@scarfpass]

grats man. keep doing your thing.

[@Rayansaki]

What do you think about Krips combo reno priest? I know he's not a top legend player, but he seems to steamroll reno lock pretty hard with it.

[@Mrwutevah]

Do the Reno decks really perform well against the jade decks? Doesn't the fact that they apply so little pressure early on allow the jade decks to spiral out of control?

[@Yolen16]

jade wins against reno, but leeroy combo changes that

[@mouradb.4062]

How can i change your shaman deck to make it good againstGIADA Shaman?

[@JesseFun]

WOW, this Renolock deck of Reynad is AMAZING. Holy shit, why isnt that deck on hearth pawn or tempo-storm?

[@superantony3]

Hey Reynad have you tried a gadgetzan edited/modified violet teacher druid deck? I've been experimenting with a cheap version with the new gadgetz's card that gives you mana crystals for how many minions you have on board to help you ramp up fast, and then auctioneer for card draw etc. Also, it would be really nice if you had music on your end screen like a lot of youtubers, just feels better i guess.

[@Pepe-qm5iv]

I'm not nearly a pro player, but can you tell me how to beat jade druid with renolock? I'm not able to pressure enough and they always get to the point where they summon 12/12s

[@nickg.6462]

Really enjoyed this video.

[@Jampandagaming]

Secret Paladin is good because it thins out a shit ton of secrets so you only draw your 7+ minions. There you go an applicable and correct use of the word thinning in the context of a card game.

[@martl8615]

Re: Thinning. There is a 16-land 60-card MtG deck, which playes 8 fetches because the curve ends at 3. You don't want to draw the 4th land ever. It is the only example I can think of though.

[@EebstertheGreat]

Storm decks use fetch lands for mana fixing, not for deck thining. I suppose you could argue that the _added benefit_ of thinning is nice, but statistically it is quite negligible.