Having Joey's perspective for Singles and Wolfey's perspective for VGC is so good. Their Content really compliments each other's. Plus when they do collab, it's always great and entertaining content. Them plus Emvee and Blunder and you're set for life, regarding Pokémon content.
@pokeaimMD3 жыл бұрын
much love fam!
@Sheikah_Architect3 жыл бұрын
Speshel is annoying but he takes care of all the cool weird VGC sets, and 9th Gym gets more in-depth with VGC sets.
@thomaskretz78883 жыл бұрын
Blunder for tournament coverage and humor, and Emvee for wonky and fun sets. It all comes together.
@12jswilson3 жыл бұрын
Don't Forget False Swipe Gaming for your weekly history lesson
@martydahley18213 жыл бұрын
Why are these channels the exact set that I watch lmao
@jyongfishboi3 жыл бұрын
I felt it soo hard when Joey said: "Can we get gliscor back?" I miss that mon
@BS-gk2cb3 жыл бұрын
I’m cool if I don’t have to see it ever again tbh
@JoelVilla553 жыл бұрын
@@BS-gk2cb just gimme pidgeot :(
@spoopyhalloweener26983 жыл бұрын
hes one of my main mons when i battle in usum. i named him Bruce Wayne
@bigchillin42163 жыл бұрын
@@BS-gk2cbHears Joey say he wants gliscor back *Me:* "See, that's when I took it personal."
@halacharif2863 жыл бұрын
True pls give us gliscor back
@MANNAT.3 жыл бұрын
commenting before i watch the video, but this is a really cool video concept, i feel like the type that got the biggest buff between gens was definitely ghost with the loss of pursuit but that's just my take
@pokeaimMD3 жыл бұрын
fax
@extonjonas68203 жыл бұрын
Psychic types got a big boost as well. They have been freed up so much
@MrBrightshadow13 жыл бұрын
Really? I'd say flying types. Heavy Duty Boots has been hugeeee
@extonjonas68203 жыл бұрын
@@MrBrightshadow1 pure flying types dont benefit more from heavy duty boots than any other rock weak type.
@naftulzvi33533 жыл бұрын
@@extonjonas6820 I think it's more the fact that you're always switching Flying types in to defog the rocks/hazards.
@phlippybot3 жыл бұрын
You’re an extremely attractive man Joey! You don’t need to keep using that picture lol
@pokeaimMD3 жыл бұрын
I don't take pics so this is just the go to LMAO
@전희진-f6k3 жыл бұрын
@@pokeaimMD ur literally a daddy hot hunk
@AlexRiversMusic3 жыл бұрын
@@pokeaimMD please take more pics for us daddy 🥺
@arbodeltaco3 жыл бұрын
ayo wtf
@phlippybot3 жыл бұрын
The thirst is real. I have found my people. @pokeaimMD give us hunky daddy pics please!
@TheMacroShow3 жыл бұрын
Ice should be D tier, don’t kid yourself bro
@sunnythesaint3 жыл бұрын
Saying Ice is C tier because of ice beam is hilarious. There isnt a single ice type in the tier. What other arguments could you make? This isnt the coverage move tier list.
@KennyMatthewsMonster3 жыл бұрын
@@sunnythesaint nor is it the defensive typing list? Ice has always been one of the best offensive typings, although its probably at an all time low in OU.
@THE_Mirage3 жыл бұрын
I swear ice types were made for moves not mons lmao
@KennyMatthewsMonster3 жыл бұрын
@@THE_Mirage well, its an offensive type. No immunities to it and key strengths against dragon, ground and flying. Ice type mons get STAB but obviously offer very little defensively.
@CJ-BZ3 жыл бұрын
I swear ice only needs a couple of reasonable buffs to be a semi viable defensive typing. Make it resist water(maybe even be super effective against it too) and perhaps flying. Make it get a defense boost in hail, similar to rock’s SpDef boost in sand. Keep all the weaknesses
@jotarokujo36033 жыл бұрын
I *would* argue that dark is mostly good for the same reason knock off is so good. They are almost always great utility moves. But it's still a top notch type for just clicking buttons or switching in.
@jasonmelanconjm3 жыл бұрын
Idk Dark is just great in general. I agree that the majority of the types power lies in its utility. But it has a decent amount of resistances, one immunity, and is effective against some common typings. It’s my favorite type for a reason
@nejhtv39663 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmelanconjm I highly agree with you both. I even built a team with Grimmsnarl, Hydreigon at Incineroar for my VGC 2021 team at showdown. Super good.
@mysticalsquire3 жыл бұрын
Alternative title: ban Urshifu
@redz91123 жыл бұрын
Tertiary title: U-Turn sucks
@AggroAggron3 жыл бұрын
I still get flashbacks to the Ghost uprising when Gen 8 just started. Bug got alot of love with boots, First Impression getting spread around. Scolipede, Buzzwole, Mosa
@michaelwoller64503 жыл бұрын
I miss running two ghosts on a team and just spamming hex. Was the first team I got 1800s with this gen. Good times.
@masterblaster26783 жыл бұрын
Sucks that Golisopod sacrificed it's personality for it... I feel like some signature moves should've stayed signature.
@silverrey73793 жыл бұрын
@@masterblaster2678 *sad Darkrai flashbacks*
@Weareonenation3033 жыл бұрын
Bug types can't catch a break, they have no discernable strengths unless you pair it with another type. Gen 6 giving it another resistance in the form of Fairies was the cherry on top (Which was specifically a nerf to U-Turn spam and not because the type was so OP it needed to be balanced.)
@dirkauditore84133 жыл бұрын
Bug types should resist Psychic and Dark imo
@pretzel_aksmash3532 жыл бұрын
Idk I feel like bug isn't that bad by itself, at least defensively. Weaknesses aren't terrible and the resistances are solid, offensively it's bad tho, idk why gamefreak made fairy resist it when it already had so many things that resist it
@donaldjgumpofficial57542 жыл бұрын
@@pretzel_aksmash353 Ground and Fighting are great resistances.
@haidynwendlandt24792 жыл бұрын
I think bug type is probably the worst single type but one of the best dual types in my opinion
@Virum_SD3 жыл бұрын
Ngl I thought this was a blunder video at first since he's the one who uses wedding Joey with the white outline in the thumbnails
@saddoggo58223 жыл бұрын
The wedding Joey threw me off too🤣
@jcnot97123 жыл бұрын
No D-tier. I wish my professors curved like you guys do 🤣
@Jamesfox63 жыл бұрын
Surprised they didn't mention that every dark move (or almost every) have a very unique secondary effect. Knock off, pursuit, sucker punch (well the full effect of this), wicked blow etc... Obvs best typing EDIT: Actually kind of like meta defining as well as even taunt is a big one
@heartfulstrung61613 жыл бұрын
At least there is one thing similar between VGC and singles. Urishifu is a defining pokemon
@saddoggo58223 жыл бұрын
That thing was made to be broken
@acekun64933 жыл бұрын
idk man, rock mons are kinda trash outside of ttar, terra and pre-dlc rhyp also rock moves have shit acc
@CURR1EGAMING3 жыл бұрын
Yeah just thinking bout it now and GF really did do the rock move pool dirty. Only rock moves you ever see are stealth rocks and edge
@89Dustdevil3 жыл бұрын
The only good thing about the Bug type is how well it synergizes with Steel imo. It's almost always a handicap for the mon that has it.
@oliverorchard67742 жыл бұрын
Volcarona would like to have a word with you.
@shanecoffing2 жыл бұрын
Depends. Offensively, it hits psychic and dark but gets resisted by alot. So when it is strong, it's very strong. But when it is weak, man it is weak.
@pango44252 жыл бұрын
@@oliverorchard6774 The Bug type itself does nearly nothing for Volcarona. Quiver Dance is one of the only good things about Bug.
@goGothitaLOL2 жыл бұрын
@@pango4425 it removes the Ground weakness, and gives it a Fighting resistance, but that's it
@josejeovaze48023 жыл бұрын
Funny how they introduced fairy to balance the game and fairy ended up becoming the most broken type.
@Kevbotomy3 жыл бұрын
Honestly this feels like a pretty accurate typing tier list in general
@GrowingDownUnder3 жыл бұрын
Ghost tier is actually one of the worst in the whole game... ghost is only effective against 1 type in the whole game that's psychic type. Besides that ghost is not effective on anything else it also has no effect on normal type. But ghost also has 1 weakness which is dark. So ghost +1 and -1. That's a pretty useless pokemon type tbh... .I'd actually put ghost type in the bottom of the tier list in the worst typing ever. But there is some redemption, dragon type is even worse it's not effective against anything at all. Dragon is literally +0 effective and -3 weakness. It has 3 weakness and it's not effective against anything, goddamn dragon sucks so bad the only good thing about dragon is they are quite bulky and resist some attacks like fire, water, electricity and grass so it's best attribute is that it can resist the main 4 elements fire, water, grass, electricity.
@IbbiG913 жыл бұрын
@@GrowingDownUnder Uhm you probably forgot that Ghosts are good vs 2 typings both Psychic and Ghost
@GrowingDownUnder3 жыл бұрын
@@IbbiG91 Pokemon Type Tier list (accurate): Fighting = + 5 & -3 Ground = +5 & -3 (+1 for sand) Fire = +4 & -3 (+1 for sun) Ice = + 4 & -4 (+1 for hail) Steel = +3 & -3 (+1 for sand) Bug = +3 & -3 Flying = +3 & -3 Fairy = +3 & -2 (+1 for terrain) Water = +3 & -2 (+1 point for rain) Poison = +2 & -2 Electric = +2 & -1 (+1 for terrain) Ghost = +1 & -1 Rock = +4 & -5 (+1 point for sand) Grass = +3 & -5 (+2 points terrain & sun) Psychic = +2 & -3 (+1 for terrain) Dark = +2 & -3 Normal = +0 & -1 Dragon = +0 & -3 Bonus points: Grass +2 extra points for terrain & sun Water +1 extra point for rain Rock +1 extra point for sand Ground + 1 for sand Steel +1 for sand Ice +1 point for hail Fairy +1 point for terrain Electric +1 point for terrain Psychic +1 point for terrain Fire +1 point for sun New tier list with bonus points - Ground = +6 & -3 Fighting = +5 & -3 Fire = +5 & -3 Ice = +5 & -4 Rock = +5 & -5 Grass = +5 & -5 Water = +4 & -2 Fairy = +4 & -2 Steel = +4 & -3 Electric = +3 & -1 Psychic = +3 & -3 Bug = +3 & -3 Flying = +3 & -3 Poison = +2 & -2 Ghost = +1 & -1 Dark = +2 & -3 Normal = +0 & -1 Dragon = +0 & -3
@animegirl59803 жыл бұрын
GrowingDownUnder it doesn’t work like this, maths can’t explain competitive pokemon lmfao
@CURR1EGAMING3 жыл бұрын
@@GrowingDownUnder this is only accounting for weaknesses and super effective attacks, like aim mentioned things like dark and ghost attacks are so good in battling cause they’re so hard to switch into and resist.
@MrSlizzard3 жыл бұрын
I do think raising bugs rating just because of u turn is pretty silly considering it’s basically the only bug move ever run for “coverage” and not stab. And to not mention sticky web at all? Possibly overrating dark as well but I get it, it is a damn good type.
@szlendak13683 жыл бұрын
lmao he put on the S tier the worst types on the thumbnail 😂
@seda_113 жыл бұрын
My bottom tier I think are Bug, Rock and Ice. Although I don’t think any are bad enough compared to the others to warrant pacing them in D or F. I feel like tiering types is hard without defining the exact criteria. For example with dragon, are the Pokémon that are dragon types good because of their typing or because of their stats/abilities/learnsets? An interesting way to think about it is, if you gave a mon X typing instead of Y, would it get better?
@perladel953 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was missing saying something about Sticky Web for Bug or Aurora Veil for Ice, but anyway great video!
@GoTELuckyCharms3 жыл бұрын
Defog.
@1907-q6z3 жыл бұрын
Neither of them are really used in ou though.
@1907-q6z3 жыл бұрын
@@GoTELuckyCharms they mentioned that...
@brain_tonic3 жыл бұрын
There are literally no OU mons with sticky web or aurora veil...
@GoTELuckyCharms3 жыл бұрын
@@1907-q6z I'm saying defog is the direct counter to all hazards and screens.
@ericturner83673 жыл бұрын
Patiently waiting for the Shifu suspect test video cause I want Joey to be happy
@Bacchus3253 жыл бұрын
I don't think Dragon has ever been good or broken. I think people are looking at the wrong issue. Dragon as a typing is pretty ass. Only super effective on itself and a few resistances and weaknesses to common types. It was never the typing that was broken it's the Pokemon with that typing. They're almost all pseudo legends or legendaries. They have insane stats, move pools, and abilities. Dragon is the least of their positive factors.
@alexshih37473 жыл бұрын
From a balance perspective, both bug and ice should get fairy resistances. Fairy needs a nerf, and both of those types need defensive niches.
@C3l3bi13 жыл бұрын
While at it remove flying and steel grass resist so grass doesnt suck offensively. Only good offense grass mons always get some broken shit to make them viable.
@Weareonenation3033 жыл бұрын
I agree. It baffles me how GF nerfed Bug types in Gen 6 by introducing a new Bug resist (Which was likely to be a U-Turn nerf because the Bug typing wasn't good unless you pair it with another type.)
@kimyona97463 жыл бұрын
@The OG id give ice a flying and ground resistance while making water lose it's resistance to it since water can melt ice like how ice freezes water.
@epiphone233 жыл бұрын
Think about it fairies are powerful small creatures than bugs thereby resisting them and ice has nothing to do with fairies
@ethandickie3 жыл бұрын
Ice is setup to be really offensive but a majority of the moms that are in the type are built defensively. They should add more resistances for it for sure.
@mcihele3 жыл бұрын
Request for a type tier list for Every tier
@richardhuang71583 жыл бұрын
Ever since gen 7 I have always known that ghost type was absolutely busted offensively. There were so many teams back then with literally zero switchins to specs blacephalon.
@youri72293 жыл бұрын
Richard huang main problem was pursuit. Like sure almost nothing can switch in but if a ttar switches in on ur blacephalon that mon is blacephaGONE. Nothing u could do about it either except predicting the ttar switch.
@richardhuang71583 жыл бұрын
@@youri7229 Oh yeah, I remember being annoyed that blacephalon could not have hp fighting because its ivs were set.
@user-ju8jv5jo2p3 жыл бұрын
How about a guide for how to draft in draft leagues? Between you and emvee, there’s probably enough knowledge to go undefeated in 100% of singles draft leagues
@Drag0nSlay3r833 жыл бұрын
My league just started back up and we finished drafting a couple days ago. Would’ve definitely appreciated a guide to help with those tough picks
@larsweise83153 жыл бұрын
I think Fire should be S or A Rank. I saw some OU players use a full HO- Fire typ team in OU, with Drought plus V Create Victini and other hard hitting stuff. And they had an Volcanion with Water Absorb. Plus Fire has a really strong offensive presence, especially against the many steel types in the tier and many mons have good coverage as well.
@ferrororo3 жыл бұрын
Earthquake
@jacobtridef483 жыл бұрын
I disagree with dark being highest. But otherwise I agree with most of this tbh. I also think fighting deserves bumped up a bit, cuz of the fact it has barely any weaknesses, but it strong against quite a few types
@cutthroat7952 жыл бұрын
I feel like dark type struggles for neutral damage against a lot of dual types. Plus the proliferation of of fairy types, and a weakness to fighting and fairy. It also doesn’t really have a large selection of powerful moves, especially on the special side. I think ghost is just a more reliable neutral coverage.
@theo73713 жыл бұрын
I think Flying should be higher. It is hard to make a good team without a Flying-type. It is the only immunity to Ground (alongside the Levitate mons) and the best users of Defog which is a very important move are Flying-types. Flying is definitely more important than Dragon and Psychic. Other than that I don't have huge disagreements about the order but I would divide tiers differently. S (best types): Dark, Ghost, Fairy A (really important): Steel, Ground, Water, Flying B (good): Dragon, Psychic, Electric, Fighting, Fire C (fine): Grass, Poison, Rock D (kinda bad): Ice, Normal, Bug
@beckampotoczny67323 жыл бұрын
This list kinda perfect IMO except I’d swap Dragon with Poison.
@mitchell1023 жыл бұрын
I think Dark is one of the most overrated types because of how good Knock Off and Urshifu are. I also think Ghost is more centralizing, so much so that Ttar and Blissey and other Pokemon who were otherwise lackluster rose in usage to counter a Pokemon like Spectrier who has no coverage moves whatsoever. Also, Ghost/Fighting coverage is better than Dark/Fighting. If Urshifu was Ghost/Fighting it wouldn't even need Poison Jab/Iron Head for Clefable and Fini.
@donaldjgumpofficial57542 жыл бұрын
Dragon has stronger members but Ghost is just a better version of the dragon type. More immunities, fewer weaknesses, more advantages.
@mitchell1022 жыл бұрын
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 Modern Ghost is like Gen 5 Dragon (offensively). One resistance that is easy to get coverage for, no immunities.
@Tropical_Depression.3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised ice got as high as it did, like while it's fine offensively, it's only resistance being the Ice type and it being weak to so many common types makes it bottom tier imo.
@luiseduardodeassisribeiro64593 жыл бұрын
Ice is top tier offense
@Tropical_Depression.3 жыл бұрын
@@luiseduardodeassisribeiro6459 it’s good offensively sure, but it’s straight up the worse defensively. It only resists ice, which is insane.
@luiseduardodeassisribeiro64593 жыл бұрын
There should be more mons like weavile having 2 amazing stabs and not caring sbout bulk
@gavinmiller89803 жыл бұрын
@@Tropical_Depression. well it is horrible offensively but because there’s no ice types in OU they only went off it’s coverage offensively on things like nido king which is really good
@tjtribble.2 жыл бұрын
@@luiseduardodeassisribeiro6459 It’s honestly not. It definitely used to be but now that fairy can cover dragons it’s not as important. It’s still good but if it was top tier you’d see it used a lot more often
@aamr74343 жыл бұрын
THE RETURN OF THE JOEL WEDDING PHOTO
@dariuslynard1583 жыл бұрын
I would definitely put Bug in D since there is no F tier. You're usually never clicking bug moves aside from U turn and theres not much utility provided by having them on your team. Buzzwole is a rare case along with Volc, but they're both using their 2nd type to help them act as checks.
@KennyMatthewsMonster3 жыл бұрын
Buzzwoles bug type lets it resist Urshifus fighting moves, it’s definitely a virtue. Bug is more of a defensive/support type than offensive spammer, and that’s fine.
@dariuslynard1583 жыл бұрын
@@KennyMatthewsMonster Yes it helps with Urshifu but Shifu is clicking Wicked more often than CC. In that case Buzz's Fighting typing is doing more for you. In general your bug mon has left you vulnerable to fire, flying and rock attacks. Fire and flying being most prominent in OU
@dirkauditore84133 жыл бұрын
Bug does resist Ground which is huge. And bug type moves are amazing, look at Sticky Web, U-Turn or Quiver Dance. Oh and Tail Glow which has no distribution sadly.
@KennyMatthewsMonster3 жыл бұрын
@@dariuslynard158 but if it was neutral to CC it wouldn’t work as an Urshifu counter at all, so its bug type is making it viable too. I don’t your point about weaknesses, every type has those; bug resists grass, ground and fighting which are all common in OU atm.
@dariuslynard1583 жыл бұрын
@@KennyMatthewsMonster I understand every type has weaknesses and advantages. But for OU look at any given team and tell me how much your bug type move is doing against your opponent. U turn is used more for the utility of switching than dealing bug damage.
@poejavelski1483 жыл бұрын
I feel like there should be more tiers so that S and A aren’t inflated.
@bigchillin42163 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Trivedi_Tuesdays3 жыл бұрын
They just didnt properly use the D tier and S tier. Ghost and ground are more A then anything
@honeyleaf24993 жыл бұрын
@@Trivedi_Tuesdays ghost is s tier for sure, it has very little things that resist it, immune to fighting, can’t get trapped, just a bunch of good things. Ground is definitely a tier though.
@itissoldier78373 жыл бұрын
I personal find the issue with bug being that most bug Pokemon tend to be more offensive in stats. To add it also has 7 resistances and 2 vary common weakness in fire and rock typing. It just doesn't really have a place. Also using this list 3 of the S-tier types resistances bug and it only hits 1 type super effectively. The other issue is what it only resists 3 types being grass, ground, fighting. Grass is not that common, fighting has an immunity with ghost so that is better, so ground is really the only option for it but grass also resist which is a more bulky typing and flying is immune to it so....... :). I would like to see Bug get a buff soon. Personal I would have it resist fairy giving it a defensive option, and for it to be super effective against fairy being I feel that fairy typing needs another answer to it. using the same logic for poison and steel being weaker typings before fairy was released and had a boom in popularity and strength on release. I feel the some thing could work for bug. Don't feel it would make it OP but would give it a place and could allow for more variation in typings.
@19_LuiSal_953 жыл бұрын
I agree with the S tier. Always thought that these 5 typings are the big ones and all of them are S. Water then Dragon follows. So yea... amazing list! I do feel like Poison can be A tier just because of Toxic and the key resistances it has (Fairy, Poison, Grass, Bug, Fighting).
@sirensongss3 жыл бұрын
Dragon darts shows that dragon stab is still amazing, the fact they need outrage is why fairies can check
@mipho58993 жыл бұрын
Ice not good in current OU didn't aged well. Weavile top 10 Kyurem Alolan Ninetales Arctozolt
@omarkn75063 жыл бұрын
Remember when the fire typing was a curse?
@cheruledge3 жыл бұрын
Always a good day with 2 emvee uploads
@kapetan0s7773 жыл бұрын
Whats your favorite tier overall? And what are your thoughts on showdown/smogon working with the official pokemon company in the future? Not that they are going to work together, sadly just my imagination
@bigchillin42163 жыл бұрын
Hears Joey say he wants gliscor back *Me:* "See, that's when I took it personal."
@dimasrazantira93093 жыл бұрын
Alternatively, you can further break down that cluttered S and A tier by bumping the other tiers down and actually use the D tier. Something like: S Tier: Dark, Fairy, Ghost, Steel A Tier: Ground, Water, Dragon B Tier: Psychic, Flying, Fighting, Electric C Tier: Poison, Rock, Fire, Grass D Tier: Normal, Ice, Bug
@TeddyTentacle3 жыл бұрын
I think having more than 25% of types in S-tier kinda defeats the purpose of it. It is hard to kick types out of it, but if you would scale everything 1 tier down and just leave like ghost and dark in there this would be way more accurate.
@GusZiliotto3 жыл бұрын
wtf, didnt realize there are so many types...... and I know all the 2x 1/2x.... such useless information why brain why
@The_Lightless3 жыл бұрын
I think Normal should be D tier.
@Guayabaman3053 жыл бұрын
That feeling when there are no ice types in OU and they're still better than Bug types. Oof
@brain_tonic3 жыл бұрын
Ice beam is a very nice move :)
@benvencill78843 жыл бұрын
Joey and emvee make up my favorite Pokémon combo for sure but blunder and his guests have also been fire lately. Thank you all
@animegirl59803 жыл бұрын
Nice balanced tierlist, except maybe ghost should be second in S, but i def agree with putting dark first. Maybe ground on top of A, fire in B, rock in C as well, but rly nice tierlist
@cultsulth3 жыл бұрын
You should divide this video in two, one for offense and one for defense.
@BS-gk2cb3 жыл бұрын
Imagine Magearna quad resisting dark, I don’t need that kind of pain in my life
@glacierwolf21553 жыл бұрын
Urshifu-SS may be still in the meta.
@GogiRegion3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t played OU or really much singles for a few generations, but when I tried out Yveltal in VGC, I learned just how spammable dark is offensively. I found myself bringing it to nearly every match, and it only having dark type moves never bothered me as I could just have a teammate deal with fairies, which are the only really scary opponents.
@Wellshem2 жыл бұрын
Kinda funny how Fairy became the new Dragon
@nejhtv39663 жыл бұрын
Agree with you guys! This is a very effective and accurate Type Ranking video. Dark might be my fave type but its really good. Add to it that its immune to prankster moves. Hydreigon even if 4x weak to fairies can still hit hard with Life Orb or Specs ☺️
@jonathantrinidad19813 жыл бұрын
The dark era is here
@elijah__3 жыл бұрын
Nice man. 60 algorithm points for the discussion video. I fuck with these cus sometimes I want the background noise and to hear some plays/knowledge but can't look cus im cooking or doing smth
@akarshjv69993 жыл бұрын
I feel bug doesn't get enough love with the how good and yet invisible its moves are (like real life). Just like how dark pulse and knock off are the best moves on dark, bug gets u-turn, sticky web, quiver dance and infestation too albeit rarely which are one of the few moves that decide the game without dealing any damage. I think bug should be at least A tier, just because the things that pushed bug to C tier (reliance on secondary typing) placed dragon to A tier. The only difference between a bug mon and dragon mon is that bug usually don't have enough stat due to them designed to be in the beginning of the game while dragons are usually pseudo legendary. Both use only some of their type moves (dd, Draco vs u-turn, sticky web,qd). One can see the bug effectiveness by how strong mons get if they get a slight stat boost. There's Mosa and genesect banned and volc,buzz and mega scizor/beedrill even that all screwed metagame with just one prominent bug move each. Not to mention the prevailance of niche bugs every gen/tier like shuckle, araquanid and scyther
@nethermaster77443 жыл бұрын
how about the Ninjask type?
@neviolodingdong2643 жыл бұрын
Comment for the algorithm and since I'm writing this before watching the vid I will say that ground will be A tier
@kit28772 жыл бұрын
For me. Dark S tier. its insanio offensively but defensively u turn fighting and fairy are too present in the tier. However even though that's true knock off is the best move in the game simple as. Easy S. Bug type B tier. Ground and fighting coverage are insanio and bug counters both. Defensively Buzwole scizor put in work. Tank volcarona is a demonic sweeper and U turn is too strong however bug is just a bad typing offensively however the utility and defensive utility give it a B tier. Ghost S tier. I'm a blacephalon fanboy and while the removal of Z moves has weakened it and some other mons like gengar the addition of dragapult the teapot and the removal of pursuit ghost spam has shown how op the ghost typing is. They all have utility like willow wisp and amazing movepool's ghost is op asf rn. Also the spedef drop on shadow ball allows for breaking that shouldnt happen. Dragon. S tier. Not the typing itself it sucks offensively in a vacuum but all the dragons are too strong. Garchomp dragonite dragaput hydreigon are all insane pokemon and have the stats and coverage to maintain the best spot on the tier list. Electric type A tier. Regleleki tapu koko zeraora zapdos are all demonic offensive threats I mean going up against any of those with no ground type is an instant loss. But ground types are ubiquitous and with the removal of hidden power for coverage aswell as the rise of spedef landorus the lack o of defensive presence means that electric type is an A tier. Fairy S tier. OP typing counters dragon its weaknesses are bad offensively it resists dark and is immune to dragon other S tier typings easy S tier. Fighting B tier. Ghost is immune to it Fairy resists it landorus resists it and it killing steel is good but the ubiquity of earthquake makes it less decisive. Ice and rock suck in ou and the physical walls all wall fighting. However with a good dual typing such as dark or ice can make fighting types a MASSIVE threat to steel type defensive mons such as ferothorn or magnezone. My big gripe is toxapex and lando just infinitely switching into them. Fire type A tier. Again blacephalon volcarona victini moltres torkoal volcainion but most importantly heatran are just centralising pokemon. In the metagame. In my opinion heatran is the best pokemon in the OU tier. Its offensive and defensive presence are both S tier and not only does this unpredictability make it more dangerous it threatens 90 percent of the OU tier out and with its utility and defence and damage envelops the metagame around it. However even though it is so strong the fire type has a crippling weakness to stealth rocks which means many pokemon that have defensive utility such as blacephalon for fighting immunity and rapid spin blocks or volcanion which tanks earthquake from landorus and returns a 1 shot while having a 4x resistance to fire and a water immunity aswell as defog or torkoal with rapid spin sun setting and 140 base defense are forced to run heavy duty boots which with a lack of healing instead of leftovers is deadly. Fire is a fake fairy resist because stealth rocks are so strong. Overall top tier offensively but close to bottom tier defensively. Heatramd and blacephalon however are very centralising. Flying type S tier. With ground immunity and access to u turn and or volt switch flying types like pelliper corvinight zapdos(both) tornadus are excellent offensive and defensive pivots with zapdos corv and lando being some of the most centralising pokemon in the game. With the removal of hidden power the ice type coverage that plagued the tier has vanished and flying types have come out soaring laughing as the equip heavy duty boots to ignore stealth rocks. As pivots and many having access to easy recovery in roost the weakness to stealth rocks is nowhere near as bad for flying types as for bug fire and ice types and they love running heavy duty boots. Offensively the type lacks on the special side however hurricane has almost no switch ins in the OU tier and rips through solid defensive pokemon like buzzwole ferothorn toxapex landourus and clefable with the confusion chance and 110 base power though unreliable is made up for by the reliability of the flying type in general. Grass D tier. Katana is amazing and rillaboom is one of my my favourite pokemon in the tier with pokemon like venesaur and tapu bulu having niches however it is one of the worst defensive typings with niche utility. Ferothorn is a great defensive pokemon but gets chipped down and killed in this metagame more easily than for say toxapex or even landorus katana is great but gets stuffed by corv and lando 2 ubiquitous mons. As a sweeper is too easy to threaten out with any special attacking mon. Honestly great typing when paired with steel but there are only 4 grass pokemon with any place in the tier even with super strong pokemon like amoongus and tan growth in the game. Ground S tier. Electric immunity is mega strong as electric is an ELITE late game sweeping type. Stealth rock is ubiquitous on this type and the general stat distribution on this type makes them defensive and utility beasts. Their main counters water and ice not resisting then makes even defensive variants of landourus hippopowdon garchomp impossible to easily offensively check and they set up spike and stealth rocks on their defensive checks. So defensively S tier. Earthquake is an AMAZING offensive tool 100 100 is rare and powerful especially on a type that threatens steel fire and electric type pokemon. And it's only immunity the flying type gets stuffed by stone edge which every good ground type gets. And the stealth rock resistance only adds more to.one of the best typings in the game. Fun fact a choice banded mamoswine has 1 pokemon that can check it in the Ou tier. Max defense Buzwole is the only pokemon in the entire tier that doesent get 2 hit Koed by a mamoswine predicting correctly. And it OHKO's 27 of the 40 OU pokemon there is that ice and ground coverage for ya. Ice type B tier. S offensively ground flying grass and Dragon 3 s tier typings. But F tier defensively with 1 resistance itself and 0 immunities. Ice types thrive as offensive checks to powerful pokemon. Weavile is a key example of this. An S tier pokemon in the meta because it counters so many pokemon. With the big one being landourus. With the rise of hail teams ice type is almost A tier with nine tails lola's arora veil becoming prime setup for hyper offense teams aswell however the lack of defensive presence and the weakness to stealth rock hold it back. Normal type D tier. It's only good defensive attribute is a ghost immunity however offensively it has nothing so easy d tier the only good normal mon in OU is blissey. A saving grace would be wish but wish has had less play recently as the power level increased. Poison type B tier. Beats fairy is immune to toxic unfortunately is weak to ground however the poison type has such good utility and is amazing coverage for sweeping mons like komo garchomp and hawlucha. Psychic A tier. Future sight the slowbro family tapu lele and the demonic cosmic power mew are all ubiquitous in the Ou tier providing insane offensive and defensive action and teleport being so good for gaining momentum on defensive pokemon such as clefable blissey and the aforementioned slowbro family. Rock type C tier. Horrible defensive typing and not as good as ice offensively. The signiatrue missing factor of all rock moves make tock pokemon unreliable and with 0 defensive utility and weaknesses to ground fighting water and grass the rock types only saving grace is stealth rocks which it doesn't resist btw. Steel type S tier. Defensive utility General utility Offenseife utility and general offence the only thing the steel type lacks is the fucks it doesnt give of how strong it is. Katana Ferrothorn corvinight Melmetal and magnezone. I could go on for even about this type but to wrap it up quickly here is another fun fact. Steel type is the only type in the game with an ability designed to offensively check them in magnet pull. Completely insane. Water type. A tier Rain is hyper dangerous Surf and liquidation are easy to spam. Flip turn has been incredible Amazing offence and defence with only 2 weaknesses and 4 resistances the only reason water types arent s tier is lacking utility in the typing. For example toxapex has a high utility typing same with tapu fini so defensively they lack utility however water is an easy a tier typing.
@TheUnique69able3 жыл бұрын
Dragons are only good because of their high stats (almost all psudeo legendaries are dragons) the typing. Itself is average at best
@kstiemsma3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the reason it used to be so good is because it hit everything neutrally except steel but the introduction of fairy definitely makes it a mid tier offensive type
@Liam-mv9zi3 жыл бұрын
The only typings that can stand up against dragon moves are steel and fairy. Almost every dragon has some coverage move for steel types, and the fairies in OU are a free switch-in for steel types in your team. Also, teams aren't typically going to run more than one fairy type, sometimes there's none, so once they're gone you're hitting teams with Draco Meteors or something like Dragon Darts with no safe switch-ins. Plus the only weaknesses are ice (which is a nearly non-existent typing in OU currently), dragon (which very rarely are dragon moves used on non dragon type mons, so you hit that counter for supereffective too) and fairy. Really fairies are the only notable counter to the typing, just like how Dark is the only notable counter for ghosts.
@copperface35743 жыл бұрын
I think the reason clefable is so strong is because it has so many moves. Do you need a cleric? Clefable. Do you need a calm minder? Clefable. Do you need hazard control? Clefable. Coverage? Clefable.
@owensageek11963 жыл бұрын
I gotta disagree on dragon. Dragonite Dragon Dance is literally instant win if you can set up 2-4. Also Garchomp, Dragapult, and Latios are great and would kill uu or lower But I’m not as good at competitive as you or Emvee so maybe I’m wrong
@Kappa1233 жыл бұрын
I think we're talking about pokemon types, not dragon Pokémon. All the pokemon you listed are good because of their other typings, stab earthquake from garchomp, psychic spam from latio(a)s, etc. The only mainly competitive dragon moves are DD and Draco Meteor, almost every other dragon type move has never seen much usage. I think that overall dragon being lower makes sense since pure type dragons have never been viable, if that makes sense. I don't know that's just my two cents.
@owensageek11963 жыл бұрын
@@Kappa123 One thing I just realized is that unless your using Draco Meteor, you pretty much have to set up to use a Dragon type to kill more than 2 pokemon. So the type overall isn’t as good as I was thinking, and I’m thinking about pokemon, not types.
@Atommic.3 жыл бұрын
I really liked Gen 6 but them getting rid of Steel's Dark and Ghost resistances was so rough. They didn't have to nerf my favorite type like that, just take away 1 you don't need both gone
@iktarpnieveel26423 жыл бұрын
they already resist 11 of the 18 typings including their immunity to poison. with dark and ghost that would mean they would only not be resisted by 5 of the *19* types what would be ridiculous and plainly dumb.
@alperkeskin96443 жыл бұрын
Steel lost its resistance to Ghost and Dark but it also gained a new resistance to the best type in the game. It's still one of the best types and resisting fairy balances out not resisting dark and ghost.
@safeandsound712 Жыл бұрын
I think they forgot to even mention that dark is immune to psychic as well lol. Dark is kinda freakishly OP.
@robertoalexandermendezmore4083 жыл бұрын
9:55 i used dragmag with jirachi pivoting with doom desire, so yeah i feel dragons good in this meta
@Toni-uk4ks3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I agree pretty much with the list but I would move Psychic to S Tier. If you think about, they had to add an immunity in Gen 2 in form of Dark Typing and a Resist via Steel Typing. And besides all that, psychic was still amazing. Moves like Calm Mind, Future Sight, Teleport, Psychic, Psyshock and Expanding Force are so damn good. And the Users most of the time have amazing coverage and hit hard.
@beckampotoczny67323 жыл бұрын
This is Psychic as a type, the utility moves and coverage are irrelevant.
@Toni-uk4ks3 жыл бұрын
@@beckampotoczny6732 even if you argue like that Karen, they still had to add an Immunity and Resist cuz they were fucking busted. And still are amazing. :)
@beckampotoczny67323 жыл бұрын
@@Toni-uk4ks I’m not arguing that its bad, I’m just saying that it’s talking about a type as a whole and not the Pokémon that utilize said type.
@atlas58473 жыл бұрын
@@Toni-uk4ks that was in gen 1 bc there was a bug where psychic was made immune to ghost bc of a glitch, and the only ghost in that gen were part poison, so yea. Bug type had really weak moves, but in gen 8, it's not bad, but it's not that op
@jsalts3 жыл бұрын
I think fire was underrated quite a bit. The typing's biggest drawback is the inaccuracy of some moves, which can also be said about rock type which was listed higher than it, despite only having Tyranitar in the tier. Wisp and flame body burns can cripple physical sweepers to the point where they're essentially useless, and also opens up Hex sweeps for mons like Spectrier. Moltres, Volcarona, and Heatran all have amazing versatility and utility, with Cinderace being one of the best offensive pivots in the game. Even if you wanna argue that Ace isn't exclusively a fire type because of Libero, I've never seen a set that doesn't run Pyro Ball. I don't think sun was mentioned either, even if it's not as good as rain.
@jimirio41913 жыл бұрын
First aim vid to pop up in my recommended in ages. KZbin algorithm got my back.
@richardsphd Жыл бұрын
I didn't see when this video was made, and when I heard "Weavile in UUBL" I was about to start fuming
@beefboi99933 жыл бұрын
Bruh you seriously put bug in B initially? it's always been the worst typing
@KennyMatthewsMonster3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure bug is numerically the worst offensive typing, with the number of strengths and weaknesses, but its got a decent defensive niche and several of the best moves in the game. Quiver dance, sticky web, u turn, first impression, tail glow, rage powder.
@CURR1EGAMING3 жыл бұрын
U-turn alone earns it at least c. You really could make an argument for b tier although I agree with the c placement
@beefboi99933 жыл бұрын
@@CURR1EGAMING It's true that bug has a few good moves but if you're gonna leave D rank empty what's the point? Bug is clearly worse than most others. Also, Joey is the one who keeps saying u-turn is overrated in current OU.
@CURR1EGAMING3 жыл бұрын
@@beefboi9993 fair point, not a fan of tier lists with fully open tiers. I honestly thought flip turn would hurt uturns usage, but it hasn’t. Momentum will always be important tho
@selearth31233 жыл бұрын
I swear i thought this was a blunder video the way joey used that cleannnn ass pic in the thumbnail sheeeeeeesh 🙏🏿
@exostompgaming91223 жыл бұрын
Ayy I ranked every type in draft! Not sure if you got your idea from me :D
@mr.maxwell4955Ай бұрын
Are you including how many weakness the typing has
@smarkwick78143 жыл бұрын
Idea make ice resist dark since darkness is cold but ice is cold and the darkness keeps it strong but with dark being evil type in Japan this doesn't work
@Dellvlog13 жыл бұрын
Great video Idea! It's one of those analysis you dont know you want until a video comes out. Also, what about possible buffs/nerfs to make some some types more competitive?
@ccsleepy8342 Жыл бұрын
Did both of you really forget that grass type resists electric? Is it just that irrelevant?
@orleanswarrior18343 жыл бұрын
Fairy and ghost shouldn't resist bug, and maybe ice should resist bug
@wilianrodrigues52802 жыл бұрын
Poor Gliscor, he was so cool but got fucked over by Landorus
@pmbenum3 жыл бұрын
I think you guys somewhat missed the point of this on some typings; you said grass was good because mons like kartana and rillaboom are amazing. However, these mons are not good because they are grass, they're good due to their insane stats/abilities/movepool combinations. The grass typing literally just holds them back; if Rillaboom was any other decent typing with an equivalent terrain/glide move (say flying or fighting) it would be banned ages ago. Grass should be C imo.
@pmbenum3 жыл бұрын
I also don't see how normal is not D tier - what is even the point of having a D tier then? I love the content but I think you should have clarified the criteria beforehand
@theunofficialfpsbalancetea59153 жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait wtf, ghost types don’t get hit my pursuit anymore? Or is it just that pursuit isn’t in the game??? Edit: I got my answer lol. I miss pursuit already but that’s cuz I’m toxic 😂
@pokeaimMD3 жыл бұрын
Not in game
@TheAngriestReptileAlive2 жыл бұрын
No one here has even mentioned dark types prankster immunity.
@mikaelcrucible2 жыл бұрын
"kartana: base 1 million" love how no one bats an eye to that statement it's so true
@SomeGuyNotKnown3 жыл бұрын
Fire is A tier. How not? Hurricane has lower accuracy, but you don't treat the flying type as harshly.
@itissoldier78373 жыл бұрын
fire is in the perfect spot. It has to do more with its weakness of ground and water being 2 of the most common typings. flying is more common then the typings its weak to right now
@Wellshem2 жыл бұрын
STAB Earthquake is just so reliable
@GrowingDownUnder3 жыл бұрын
V-create is one of the best fire type moves and flash fire is one of the best abilities, fire is still OP
@Caffeine_Factor3 жыл бұрын
Bruh Emvee is in every video right now and I am more than fine with it.
@King_Lycaon223 жыл бұрын
I would like to say the ranking for ice is a bit low imo. There’s no ice presence bc all the good ice types/move users were banned from ou. 1st it was Galarian Darm who was absolutely broken on release (unban darm pls, just ban guerilla tactics) and then Kyurem B was banned after the Aisle of Armor release. Before the pheromosa ban, it was common to run ice beam or triple axel. If these mons were never banned, They would be dominating the meta together. Furthermore, Veil/hail teams are also very threatening, especially stuff like weather ball lando t. Just giving my 2 cents. Love the vid as always Joey
@LesbianWitchAcademia3 жыл бұрын
Dragon is so good throughout the history of pokemon, that they literally created a type SPECIFICALLY to counter it, and it's still one of the best types in all of pokemon.
@cherryb0ng3 жыл бұрын
Obviously Ice type can't be heat
@hpblast3 жыл бұрын
This makes me think of this TTar video talking about a Rubber-typing. Maybe a new typing will show up in the newer Gen's...
@phealtalk3 жыл бұрын
This seems really accurate. I would personally put poison type way higher though. Unfortunately not for the reasons i would like (fairies) but even gamefreak knows hoq important poison is now thats why they made three poison dragons
@misolaneous3 жыл бұрын
Untelated to the actual content of the video: why does it look like the symbols for Fairy and Dragon should be swapped? Like just switch the colours and name and then it looks more correct aha
@Nate_5053 жыл бұрын
I kinda think Dragon should be B tier due to how strong Steel is against it as well. My other argument is that a lot of times to me it feels like Dragon type is carried by the ludicrous base stats that many Dragon types have and some of the Dragons that aren’t blessed with those crazy stats (Druddigon, Drampa) reside in lower tiers
@AhmesBlade3 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion. Normal should be immune to Fairy ngl.
@itissoldier78373 жыл бұрын
personal bug should resist and be super effective against fairy.
@leonuevecuatro50373 жыл бұрын
Too much S tier. A tier list is supposed to be homogeneous in my opinion. Ice bug and normal should be D tier and poison rock grass fire should be C tier and u keep going until you only have steel and fairy in S tier. Otherwise the tier list seems to be pretty accurate
@MrNord-so3yp3 жыл бұрын
I just want gamefreak to nerf faeries a little by buffing another type and balancing it a bit by making bug super effective against faerie. Gives big types a cool niche as a faerie killer and not allow faeries to come in on uturn forever without punishment
@andrewcabral35413 жыл бұрын
I don’t think electric should be A especially over poison. Otherwise this was a great vid, keep it up Joey!
@belimvasim1433 жыл бұрын
Every typing on a tier plays a particular role like fight,ghost,ground,ice as a offense while steel,fairy as defense but man grass type in an ytier plays both role as a offense and defense just look at OU boom,kartana offense amoongus,ferrathorn defense
@michaelballack30513 жыл бұрын
Personally I would have water at S :] but that is for my list eheh