What if Anyone Won the Korean War?

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[@MischievousManhattan]

hi there

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Hey Cody

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

@MischievousManhattan Hey. How are you doing?

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

How are you doing?

[@Mrmr-djkfddsfs65]

You already did this one, cool thumbnail though.

[@Bush4Ever2004]

Thumbnail goes hard

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Yep. It sure does.

[@stevemc01]

Goes really hard indeed.

[@Twiggo_The_Foxxo]

Wanna know who else is hard

[@ninlog]

@@Twiggo_The_Foxxo MY MOM

[@mramogus1032]

Thumbnail goes hard

[@marshmallowenthusiast9032]

It shouldve been luxembourg and their army of like 20 people

[@JoeMomma213]

That's Liechtenstein

[@marshmallowenthusiast9032]

@@JoeMomma213 no?

[@MarathonRunner432]

@@JoeMomma213 no Luxembourg sent an army of 20 people to korea

[@JoeMomma213]

@@MarathonRunner432 oh sorry, I thought you were talking about that time when Liechtenstein fought a war with 20 soldiers, my bad

[@davidhochstetler4068]

The first of many colonies they would establish over the course of the next 100 years

[@HoopsAndDinoMan]

The real question is, what if anyone won the Finno-Korean Hyperwar?

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Good idea

[@SwedishInfantryGB]

Hmmm true

[@indianajones4321]

Perhaps if there wasn’t a Lumerian disappearance

[@ku4uk08]

We need a 300 hour video about that

[@Crisperz]

Yakub won that war

[@Johnrich395]

You missed THE BIGGEST CHANGE! With a clear victory of either side, the hit TV show MASH is never made!

[@InquisitorXarius]

Ah thats sad

[@jliller]

Without MASH the Super Bowl decisively wins the TV viewership war decades earlier, rather than having to wait until 2010.

[@thedemonhater7748]

I remember watching the original video you made for this scenario like, 8 years ago. Crazy how time flies

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Yeah. I remember that too. Wow. Time really flies doesn’t it?

[@thedemonhater7748]

@@JuanEnriqueFloresJrI feel fuckin old lmao

[@colbygordon6936]

That was 8 years ago?

[@SammyShinx]

@@JuanEnriqueFloresJrme three

[@kevinhenrique4256]

2016 was 8 years ago..... fuck

[@GavinWilkins-kg2yu]

The US and USSR after almost slaughtering the entire world because of a tree

[@DinoRicky]

“Almost lost my cool there”

[@jliller]

Also one time because of a bear in Minnesota. Ursus americanus, not Tu-95.

[@deathdrone6988]

I believe in the 2nd scenario where S. Korea 'wins', China would've negotiated a bufferzone in the mountainous region of N. Korea as compensation for their participation and to settle communist refugees that will inevitably flee Syngman Rhee's regime, which they'll probably annex in a couple years; this would lead to a significant Korean diaspora in China that may help modernize the country a bit quicker due to the N. Koreans having experience with heavy industry when China was still melting steel in people's backyards.

[@TetsuShima]

The Korean War movie "Incheon" is fascinating af. Here we have: McArthur being played by the british Laurence Olivier, a reception so bad it did not even get home release and the fact it was literaly financed by a cult. It absolutely deserves a documentary

[@MasterSmurfRace]

What if Nelson Mandela died in prison like people thought he had done?

[@vantablack6288]

he didnt?

[@Lucius_Aurelian_]

That’s an easy KZbin short for Cody to make. The answer is obviously that someone else would take his place in leading to South Africa’s independence

[@idkwatotypehere]

bro was cooking with that thumbnail

[@peacefultengu6384]

Oh golly, this comment section surely will be healthy.

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Yep

[@hatcrab4923]

Totally

[@wewo-v166]

Indeed

[@twicethegalo]

Could be worse

[@graffitisamurai]

Soviets in 1950: "We're very upset, so we're going to boycott the UN Security Council! That'll show those western capitali-" US, UK, France, Republic of China: "Anyone object to sending a multinational force to kick the North Koreans out of the South? No? None at all? A single objection would derail swift intervention. No? Alright. Cowabunga it is."

[@Littleyonder]

But there WAS a winner, Cody! The military industrial complex!

[@Kaiser_Polaris]

So the United States, got it.

[@wewo-v166]

Cool north Korean propaganda

[@beserker9890]

@@wewo-v166the military industrial complex isnt propaganda, eisenhower himself recognized it 🤦‍♂️

[@wewo-v166]

@@beserker9890 he said that we should live side by side in the end of the speech a small clip doesn't mean he hates the military complex

[@LightningAlchemist13]

Huh...this Cody guy sounds a lot like the guy from PointlessHub

[@notsostealthmission5184]

Please do a sequel to The Fallout Wars

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Good idea

[@ThomasAsseff]

Sigma

[@sirtitanic7882]

The if anyone won War of 1812 sequel we didn’t need but we’re getting it anyway.

[@AnquisesLannan]

Thanks for dropping a new video.

[@whyussr7628]

I woulda won

[@wewo-v166]

What if we kissed under the nuclear hellfire

[@notdpanda9525]

Wouldn't Jeju probably remain a Korean Taiwan?

[@notdpanda9525]

The US navy is still superior to China, the USSR and the DPRK combined, so a scenario where Japan, Taiwan and Jeju are used as a bulwark against communist Asia is likely.

[@jdotoz]

Hard to say. It's closer to the mainland than Taiwan is, and a lot smaller. Easier to fortify, but less room for any sort of independent development.

[@Chickennuggets81]

1:18 was that Wii play, tanks?

[@Micca-Ingenuite]

What if iceland was free? (Never under Denmark or norway)

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Good idea

[@timrobinson513]

What I'd England won the hundred years war?

[@jimmyjohnson1870]

Mega France

[@snhjhkvd]

Korean War saved Chiang Kai-Shek - his regime was basically abandoned by the US after it lost the Chinese Civil War, but the Korean War made USA help it again.

[@theCanadianprovinceofQuebec]

The Supreme leader approves

[@Zhtrik]

Remake?

[@justlordska]

Yes

[@vorynrosethorn903]

The British almost destroyed the Viet min during their short occupation at the end of the war, it was never about troop numbers, the British were experienced in counter-insurgency, the conscripts who took over from them in Vietnam and Indonesia (interestingly in that case the British had to rearm the Japanese to fight along side them and save the Dutch civilian population) most certainly were not. Deployment wouldn't necessarily mean victory, the Americans have a nasty habit of ideological rigidity (South Vietnam was plunged into political chaos because they didn't like that the dictator was a Catholic, and mildly reactionary, rather than a 'liberal dictator', if such a thing can be said seriously) and fighting everything like a conventional war. The had a distaste for local alliances and constructing patronage systems, as well as rulers with the strength to keep order, or who had separate interests, they also refused to run a system of reeducation camps or to pursue the war systematically, the British were literally around at the time and gave them advice, and dispite the fact that the Australian contingent outperformed them by using British doctrine for insurgency and jungle warfare they failed to adapt. The claim that it was about will is largely redundant, the Americans played by rules they themselves didn't set (and ones they did set but were stupid), they made life a lot harder for themselves.

[@Pillar_0]

This channel is so bingeable

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

what is it like the 3 time you make this scenario of what if Anyone Won the Korean War there like 3 videos before that

[@Wherethedogs]

I’m the earliest

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Me too. Nice pfp by the way. Did you like the movie?

[@balabanasireti]

Don't care

[@Kqi4A85]

Who let the dogs out

[@Ronythereditor]

Thumbnail looks like it belongs to a rip off Cody channel

[@Awesomewithaz]

In before "the best Korean" memes

[@DryptosaurusDavid]

My uncle called you a fascist because you proposed an alternate history scenario of Germany winning World War 1. He and I had a massive argument for that. I defended you!

[@ConqueredBread]

Wish the korean anarchists were mentioned, same with the lenin video with mahknochiva

[@Historynerd4931]

New video dropped

[@zeliospetkoglou1009]

Video idea: What if the korean war ended in a stalemate

[@thepax2621]

Seems like either would have been better 😅

[@LucaVoidas-vh7vf]

What if Vlad the Impaler won

[@oliverroe6277]

thumbnail stocks going up

[@swempytimes]

In Black Ops lore, Woods and Mason met during the Korean War and I've been wishing for 15 years for them to make a Korean War Black Ops but that probably will never be. Forgotten War indeed unfortunately.

[@Falling5tar.]

The south winning with nukes would arguably have more impact on the global stage then if the north won, since the nuclear taboo is being questioned, and there could potentially be many more nations thriving for a nuclear bomb seeing whatever happened, hoping not to be the third.

[@Sirscruggz]

Honestly, had MacArthur actually followed orders and not spooked the Chinese into fighting, shit might have actually ended

[@Lukdnuke_Narson]

Oh hi

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Hey Luk. How are you doing?

[@Johan-tq3fk]

what if the japanese invasion of korea in 16th century aka the Imjin War. resulted in a japanese victory? not hard to do you just need to get rid of one guy: Yi Sun-sin

[@wutrudoin5431]

What if Britain didn't join WW1?

[@enisra_bowman]

that might be interesting to pull off, maybe with a different 1888 where Frederick III. don't die of cancer and the secret treaty would be still (or longer) in place due to Bismark beeing longer in Charge but that would have also the interesting sidebit of the other treaty with Russia

[@AtlasNovack]

I know it's a small thing, but the typewriter sound between sections is so nice, I'm not sure why it tickles me so much

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Why are they sideways? BEGONE ACCURSED THINGS!!

[@Victorio445]

Ngl I thought the thumbnail was a oversimplified ripoff still good though

[@Mangoonistgamer12344]

4 times you had done this 1. What if south korea won the korean war 2. What if north korea won the korean war 3 . The same named video and now

[@jordanthompson7512]

First comment

[@mattydriscoll9121]

Ah yes classic

[@SeanOCallaghan-t2d]

i love you more then my father

[@GunGunNieder-ny1nl]

💀

[@theshenpartei]

Korea war is just world war 2 lite but it’s set during the Cold War.

[@hydrodrift]

Can you do one where it’s “what if the Nukes didn’t drop in Fallout”?

[@amelinix]

I thought it was a oversimplified video

[@RegentPandora]

Got here faster than the UN forces got to Pusan.

[@RandomCommentMakerPerson]

Oh yeah i forgot they kinda put it on hold forever

[@TheNerd781]

sea of irradiated cobalt my beloved

[@personaldinouse]

Korea, the Ireland of Asia

[@teavrc]

Wake up mom, Cody dropped a new video!

[@twDrex]

yoo thumbnail is sickkk

[@arklaw8306]

Return of an old video.

[@indianajones4321]

Sup Cody

[@GojiMet86]

One thing that never changes: We would still have _We Didn't Start The Fire_ by Billy Joel. _Space Monkey, Mafia, Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go_ _U-2_ , *Syngman Rhee* , _Payola and Kennedy, Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo_ The guy really was that bad.

[@AChildishChinchilla]

2st let's go.

[@DarthKieduss]

My paternal grandfather was an Army paratrooper in Korea. He never talked about the war until about 3 drinks later.

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First gang

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

I’m here

[@shzarmai]

What if Vietnam wasn't colonized? What if the Thar Desert was an inland sea? What if the Gobi Desert was a Sea instead~? What if the Konbaung Dynasty survived?

[@TetsuShima]

I highly reccomend "Taegukgi: The Brotherhood of War", undoubtedly the best Korean War movie, showing the horrible things that both North and South Koreans did. Also, the scene where we see hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers entering the battlefield is one of the most amazing in the history of cinema.

[@dwc1964]

The DPRK victory with no USA/"UN" military involvement, leading to more D in the PRK on account of not having been bombed into the Stone Age but instead being able to develop uninterrupted - and also being able to help the PRC with its industrialization, perhaps ameliorating or even preventing some of Mao's more egregious errors - does seem like the most appealing alternative scenario for Korea. It's interesting that, when mentioning democratic rebellions in the spheres of the USSR and PRC in the discussion of the DPRK victory scenario, no mention was made of Czechoslovakia 1968, which a victorious, unscathed and industrializing DPRK would likely resemble. Now, 1968 being a huge year for youth-led rebellions worldwide in our timeline was hugely influenced by the Vietnam War, which in the DPRK victory scenario would not have happened (because of all the things discussed in the video). But even so, the mid-1960s were a pivotal period in so many different countries around the world in so many different ways, politically and culturally, that the effect of not having to go through the Korean War or the Vietnam War on the alt-1960s could just as well have been similar to the effect of not having had to go through that war on Korea - making it less crazy. I think Korea and Czechoslovakia, and probably the DDR as well, doing the democratic socialist reform that Czechoslovakia tried to do in our 1968, without Soviet tanks stopping them. Perhaps some of these reforms get gradually taken up by the USSR and the PRC as well. There's a lot more to talk about in terms of the 1960s rebellions in the West, and how the different shape of the Cold War and the anti-colonial struggles around the world absent the Korean and Vietnam Wars would play out, but this is already too long.

[@nogegg]

If NK won the war, possibly the old PR of Korea would be reestablished shortly after 2 or 3 years, just like the Socialist Repubilc of Vietnam. Without chinese intervention, PRK would stick to USSR just like VN, worsening the sino-soviet split and pushing China to opening ties with the US way earlier in our timeline ,PRK would play the neutrality card, but mainly trades and sides with USSR while still recieving aids from both china and USSR. We could witness a Sino-Korean War in the 80s

[@shzarmai]

What if the Indo-European migrations never occurred? What if European colonialism never happened? What if Arabia was Green?? What if Sudan was Communist? What if Oman became Communist? What if Semitic speaking peoples/Semitic languages never existed? What if Nader Shah wasn't assassinated? What if the Kingdom of Mutapa, Oyo Empire or Dahomey Kingdom still existed as an independent countries? What if the Zulu Kingdom and Kongo Kingdom survived till today? You could just do one of these topics at least, instead of rehashing old topics but oh well originality is dead in some alternate history circles I guess......

[@shzarmai]

What if Bovines didn't exist at all? What if the Asante Empire (Ashanti Empire) became a gunpowder empire - steampunk west africa alt history timeline? What if Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar wasn't assassinated at all and lived for longer? What if the Nile River never existed?

[@Xcyiterr]

oh come on surely there's at least *one* timeline where a United Korea exists and is as prosperous as in our world South Korea 😔

[@coldcallerloopy]

I was hoping you'd say "Southern victory" when talking about South Korea, the reference was ripe for potential loool

[@xanthespace5141]

The easy solution is just preventing partition altogether. The Soviets could've just said "no lol" to the American proposal to divide the peninsula at the 38th parallel

[@thegamerator10]

My grandfather served in the Korean War. I think he earned a few medals, but I'm not sure. Haven't asked my mom yet about what she knows of his experience.

[@Tang-qi6zw]

For the South winning, I think you're missing an obvious possibility: MacArthur not disobeying orders and trying to push into China, or MacArthur being put into a useless office position because of his retreat and letting men die in WWII, so he's not the one in charge at Korea. If the US held back, as MacArthur was ordered to, it would not have sparked the harsh response by Chinese forces, and could've created a perception of restraint of the westerners that could lead to better negotiations and a more westernized China, or at least more American influence in Hong Kong, as that never falls to Chinese forces, especially since this Korea timeline would prove the US wouldn't use Hong Kong as a launch point into China. Though I don't think this would lead to a unified Korea. I think China would still want a buffer-state between China and Korea, so you would have a smaller DPRK acting like Ukraine was supposed to be: a neutral state between NATO and the Warsaw states. This isn't as exciting as a unified Korea or a "remember who you're messing with" nuclear bombing, but it seems like it'd be more likely.

[@Groggle7141]

16:41 That was not the first time in military history when that question was asked. Think of the 19th century Geneva Conventions and the fact that the Axis didn’t use chemical warfare against Allied soldiers

[@elorani1714]

IIRC, the long drawn-out nature of the Korean War helped spark the demand for Japanese-manufactured goods to support the war effort. If the war ends quickly, regardless of winner, is Japanese mid-century economic performance as impressive as we saw IRL?

[@kotyrollins]

Here's a different scenario for you that you might enjoy. What if Korea Lost the Imjin War? Say you just remove Admiral Yi from the equation (He did almost die the first time he took his officer exams afterall, and if it weren't for him and what amounted to a Naval Guerilla war the Japanese would have taken the Korean peninsula.) I think it would drastically affect WW1 and 2, and would have led to a mainland Japanese Empire to rival any European power.

[@wietomeiborg1934]

What if the Svalbard dispute was resolved differently/wasn’t resolved at all? Up until 1920, the now Norwegian island chain of Svalbard in the Arctic Circle was claimed by not just Norway, but also The Netherlands and Denmark (which is where Smeerenburg, a now abandoned Dutch-Danish whailing settlement, comes from), as well as the UK - it would be interesting to see how a world where a different party owned the islands would look like; would Norway take this lying down or at least try to make it as difficult as possible for the owner to enforce the claim? Could it perhaps become an alternate haven for the Dutch/Danish government following Germany’s invasion in 1940? Would it become similar to how Iceland or The Faroe Islands operate(d) within the Danish sphere of influence? Could it perhaps have remained as terra nullius or a free economic zone like Antarctica? Maybe it could’ve become a part of Russia following an influx of Russian settlers that already happened in our timeline? Definitely an overlooked part of colonial history that I would like to see explored

[@jdotoz]

As with 1812, I think it's clear that there was a winner in Korea. (Technically it hasn't officially ended, but it's effectively over compared to what it was.) The original objectives were: DPRK/USSR: conquer ROK ROK/UN: preserve ROK The UN forces later had the opportunity to conquer the DPRK, which eventually failed, but that was a stretch goal. They definitely achieved their original objective and the other side didn't. That's a win in my book.

[@tommykaung5882]

One thing is for sure. If the North wins, we wouldn't have BTS today. Edit: 14:48 Hmmm, I didn't expect my country Burma to show up in this video. Yes, there was a communist revolution in Burma in 60s led by Communist Party of Burma but they broke into two groups thanks to Sino-Soviet split and were defeated in the 70s-80s by the Military Junta.

[@danielelombardo8196]

surprised you didn't mention more the open can of worms that the normalization of nuclear weapon usage in conventonal wars would be

[@joshreichardt2485]

In scenario S.Korea wins part 1 i think Korea might be better off than expected it would likely be a Japan, Germany scenario economically with a parlimentary republic.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

It was heavily noted at the time that most North Koreans in senior positions of any note also had a Japanese background, even if they defected, that institutional culture was deeply rooted in both the North and the South. Northern soldiers were known to not take prisoners, and that if you surrendered to the Chinese (who were keen to take prisoners so they could reeducate them) they would sometimes be forced to violently defend you from the Northerners. South Korean officers were known for brutality, against others and their own men, they saw the conscripts almost as not human, being barely trained civilians, allied soldiers learnt that if they complained about the South Koreans begging for food or dumpster diving their officers immediately call them over and shoot them. The hilarious thing is that both the North and South pretend this history doesn't exist, that they bravely resisted the Japanese and that the freedom fighters formed their countries (where as their countries were actually formed by the new colonial powers out of the old collaborators, and indeed in the South to begin with the American occupation government was reluctant to remove the Japanese themselves, as they were running a tight ship, were less corrupt and more of them understood English).

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Might I remind you what the student protests of the sixties look like across the border in China, the students would not be pro-democracy because they were in our timeline, living in a communist state that would be the ideology that would cultivate their thinking.

[@isbestlizard]

OMG the sponsorblock firefox extension is so good! 42 minutes old and it already has the sponsor segment blocked :D edit: segments! i didn't even notice there was one at the beginning of the video too o.o

[@MurderousEagle]

more likely than an Inchon failure is an Inchon "no" with the nukes being considered because Pusan turned attritional

[@ComradeRandolph]

It's amazing how close both North Korea and South Korea came to taking the entire peninsula.

[@UAsansofficial]

don't know if you see this, but the 1951 iranian coup could make a nice alternate history episode, considering how much it changed the middle east

[@justsomegoodcoolguyt7014]

Thumbnail had me thinking oversimplified dropped a new vid lmfaooo

[@_Pangloss]

Given It's history, I really don't think the Vietnamese would accepted anything less than thier own independence

[@davidpumpkinsjr.5108]

What if Victoria Woodhull had won the Election of 1872? I know it's crazy, but I'd love to see the scenario explored.

[@DynMorgannwg]

I honestly couldn’t even tell at first that it was an Alternate History Hub video from the thumbnail, but damn is it a gorgeous thumbnail