Ranking Melee's Most Iconic Upsets - The Pantheon w/ Scar

[@winniebobinnie34]

I am suffering from a severe Scar-content-deficiency. This helps

[@MattBaker-o7]

Yes

[@steezymnk]

I have the same deficiency

[@herrojason]

i miss scar.

[@oceanwaves83]

How unfortunate to come down with such a rare condition!

[@oceanwaves83]

@@winniebobinnie34 Lol my joke was funnier 🤣

[@dhaxiskhadhammer]

The Toph/Scar argument like an old married couple. So genuine, so funny.

[@danielbojkovski723]

Biggest upset: Toph vs the sunlight's current position on his face.

[@coriamon123]

Scar was a really good guest for this content! He’s always been the best at telling a story and framing events in history.

[@MeinNameLol]

They should get Wife in there, too :o)

[@rat4992]

@@MeinNameLolSUCH A GOOD IDEA

[@jslay666]

This video will be outdated by the eventual upset of "Toph vs whoever the first person to beat him at Melee Jeopardy is"

[@t3cchan]

PP's reactions to Toph and Scar arguing semantics had me DYING

[@aaronhoang6233]

Surprised they didn’t talk about PPU Hbox at apex. That upset was start of the Marth discussion and pivot tippers

[@ballertheking1038]

that upset was crazy.

[@sdw-hv5ko]

"He's looking clean if he's washed" is so clever and I only just now understood the joke 5 years later

[@FortyFive13]

I think very clearly the upset that stands out to me is Armada over Mango at Genesis 1. Armada being doubted by all of the American Smashers, makes a massive run over DSW, M2K, Mango to make it to WSG out of basically nowhere to effectively reignite melee as a global esport. I think without Armada doing what he does you don't have the same scene that exists all around the world today. Armada showed the world that the US wasn't unbeatable and that you can come from a small scene, put work in and beat the best.

[@texhnolyze03]

i thought the biggest wouldve been swedish vs armada but this is even more correct

[@Joadchoad]

Same could be said of M2K Mango as Scar mentions, but I suppose breakouts aren’t really what they’re looking at. Mango and Armada were clearly top 2 players at their times, it was just unknown, whereas these upsets are primarily within actual skill discrepancies The set in isolation is not necessarily as large an upset since, as you mention, Armada had already silenced most of the doubters by the time he got to Mango

[@il100374]

Nice try Armada.

[@nondon3991]

The fact that this set wasn't listed yet Prof vs Hbox was makes me think the people putting these things together don't really know melee history that much

[@DJFracus]

The upset that should be there is Armada vs M2K at Genesis 1 (since Armada lost to Mango's main). They even mention that set two separate times in this video, which goes to show how important it was.

[@tysonfontanez]

"His existence itself is san upset" lol I mean, true. Yoshi is not supposed to succeed and yet now in 2022 we have aMSa as a top 5 player in the world

[@AlexDuWaldt]

Amsa is such a beast. Keeping Yoshi in the conversation from 2014 to 2022.

[@MelbournePenguin]

PP right of that bat with the 2nd clip lol did him dirty

[@Brtiki]

the scar toph banter is soooo good LOL

[@ste_e_p]

Wizzrobe 3-0ing Hbox at WTFox2 should've been in this. Wizzy was already getting some good results, but no Falcon had ever beaten Hbox. This was the era where Hbox was only losing to Fox-players and for it to be a 3-0 came seemingly out of nowhere.

[@robertbowen5457]

was gonna mention this too. And HBox literally upset on stage by himself staring at the floor like that Shinji Evangelion pic

[@minizimi3790]

Or the Optic one as well. My favorite SSBM set to rewatch honestly.

[@ste_e_p]

@@minizimi3790 At that point it wasn't much of an upset, though you're right it was his first regional-level 1st place over Hbox. I got to go back and watch it sometime. I've often rewatched Yahoo! Rivalries grands because of Phil/HMW's hilarious commentary

[@Waffle___House]

Albert v Hbox should’ve been on here. An unranked player beating clutch box at his peak

[@_Majunior]

I was expecting to see that on here. I don't know a crazier upset than an unranked player beating a guy who dominated the scene for 2 years. Not only that but they thought it was a bo5 instead of 3 and he still got the win

[@ycz6]

@@_Majunior The main argument against Albert-Hbox is that it happened at a tournament held on monitors, prior to lag reduction codes and a broader understanding of the relevant hardware. That said, it's definitely up there - it got 2nd place (behind Lovage-Leffen) in the Melee Stats March Madness of greatest upsets

[@itsbmeGaming]

You know someone has been around when they remember “Ken vs chillin: KEN DEFEATED”. I remember seeing that on DC++ My personal fav is aMSa vs M2K. I remember at the beginning of the match, Scar scoffs when asked what aMSa’s chances are, and then the first game aMSa loses badly which was expected. But then the following games aMSa somehow adjusts, keeps his composure and wins. aMSa imo is Melee’s Daigo.

[@Jsolo13]

PewPewU vs Hbox immediately came to mind. Haven’t watched yet, but man that was so hype

[@Jsolo13]

Lol RIP… A tier in our hearts

[@ghostaccountlmao]

The thing about Magi's set with Mango was that it was a launch pad for their career. Magi kind of became household name after this.

[@johno6787]

A household name you say

[@whittzy]

Super excited to see Scar on here!

[@DSWiifan]

Not earth shattering nor talked about but I will always remember mattdotzeb beating leffen

[@ballertheking1038]

its so bafflingly fun.

[@timothypulliam2177]

I love toph and scar on the mic together also aMSa is a living legend

[@Dunco64]

Man there are so many other upsets that could have been included. what a beautiful game

[@falcojp2548]

GG blessing us once again

[@yfidalv]

I think its so cool that they ended up choosing the same set that Innuendo Studios focuses on in the “Things of Beauty” video on melee; it really is such an iconic set

[@TheReeserad]

Prof over Hbox is funny because Hbox upset Prof in PM earlier in the day. Prof said he knew he was beating Hbox in Melee after that loss. Agree that ranking though, Hbox in mid 2015 losing to fox did not feel like a massive upset at the time.

[@catinator2]

I can’t believe Albert vs Hbox wasn’t on here

[@InterestingPros]

As someone who got into melee through the InnuendoStudios essay on the aMSa vs M2K upset, I personally think it's the goat, with a close runner up of n0ne over M2K

[@yfidalv]

I’m so surprised that so many people got into melee through that video, thats how i started watching melee as well

[@tehpanda64]

kage holds a special place in my heart, I am just glad he was in the running

[@7373walker]

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[@MeinNameLol]

@@7373walker *message deleted by a moderator*

[@0Scar9728]

Scar and toph arguing like an old couple is the funniest thing ever 🤣🤣

[@ichewbuds]

god I love scar so much

[@fwiji9598]

I need more Scar on this channel

[@JimKongJones]

Yo fellas thank you for the uploads! Long format suits y'all pretty well. Keep up the good work fr.

[@PalPlays]

All three of these people are great. I've only ever had a chance to chat with Kevin back in the day. Glad to see these pillars of the community standing strong!

[@deadwatchalt]

Scar is a legend

[@compulsoryevacuationdevice]

Great video. My favorite upset was Oscar/Leffen. I remember the end of the last game when Oscar hit a random fsmash and leffen totally gave up for the rest of the set. You could see his still getting crushed in real time. Amazing set

[@jadchi]

Actually one of my favorite Melee videos is called: "Smash as a spectator sport". There the guy talks about that match between M2K vs Amsa and I remember watching it back in the day... It just feels like an anime were Amsa is the protagonist, it is too good. Nice vid as always you Golden Guardians !

[@jahile]

“A Yoshi?!”

[@Many-names]

If this included potential upsets (as if it was last game last stock, maybe last hit) I feel like Colbol vs Armada would be on here.

[@itsyaboi1245]

Man im starting to think more and more that armada is the GOAT. That consistency over such a long time is absolutely insane

[@cjkmelee]

I remember coming back to my college from a visit home, it was a Sunday and I had forgotten my ID card so I couldn't get into my dorm. I went into the basement of the library to connect to wifi and catch the end of KoC. The Amsa M2K set was about to start. by the end of the set I was being so loud they found me in the basement and made me leave. I'll never forget the hype

[@TheSpaceOpera]

I lost my fucking MIND when I saw the aMSa m2k set. And scar’s commentary made it so good. Agreed, it is THE video I show people when I show them an upset in melee

[@rat4992]

3 community staples right here. Great, GREAT video GG and thank you for the awesome videos

[@stormcat3648]

Very hyped to see Scar on!

[@SunsetInStone]

When Toph wheeled out PLATO I completely lost it.

[@HidenLotus-]

The lovage leffen set was great for the ditto meta, i would go with A because Foxes started implementing full hop drill after this. Especially Leffen

[@DigitaIJustice]

More Scar! More Scar! More Scar!

[@TheKoen640]

Amazing video bringing back a lot of nostalgia

[@AndrewRKenny]

They definitely picked the best one IMO. That set was mindblowing.

[@chairman96]

11/10 such a good topic with the best guest

[@Liimbozo]

Armada vs Swedish was definitely the smallest upset in terms of player skill difference, he was top 10 in the world at the time. But purely in terms of melee history alone it is easily one of the greatest upsets of all time.

[@maplecinna3979]

I knew Scar was both a dangerous and correct pick for this one.

[@WillOfDavy]

Just watching this after the recent news about Chillin and cried happy tears at his upset This community man :) love it

[@muqmanor]

Mang0/Magi might not be the most iconic upset of all time, but I think there's a strong argument for it being the biggest. A previously-unranked player beating top 2 in one of his strongest matchups, with maybe the biggest "perceived" skill differential ever seen at the time. Insane

[@ballertheking1038]

Magi was rank 98. Not unranked.

[@Wowverycrazy]

@@ballertheking1038 97

[@yoshisbro08]

24:36 Toph and Scar couple moment. Lmao, how you know they are bffs!

[@wattenleagueofficial]

I see Mister Bobby Scar-Newman and I press like

[@m-a-t-t6869]

Scar the goat. Miss him

[@mbabaneamputee7725]

22:20 I’m so mad you showed me that clip. I missed that set and didn’t watch it yet on purpose…

[@honsly1]

More Scar!

[@matt7430]

Love seeing scar

[@twelvevoltage]

Amazing content, like always

[@stayontrack]

Peepee was 10 years younger in 2012 but back then he looked 10 years older than how he looks now

[@concerted8545]

scar and toph are a great power couple

[@20102010b]

Scars C is Toph's B? Toph confirmed power bottom?

[@Hugo_Prolovski]

alternative titel: toph touching his hair for 30 minutes straight

[@angryii5411]

Definitely gonna binge watch The Reads after this.

[@wusstunes]

Scar if u don't remember magi mango that's on You

[@Dave_Chrome]

aMSa vs m2k at KoC4 was the set that introduced me to Melee. Even before Big House 10, easily S. Probably S+ tier now

[@daxmoney5011]

What toph and scar said about armada is honestly facts. I could see like a n0ne,s2J,llod,Axe even take a set off of armada

[@dantespekken3549]

It's interesting to say that the Swedish v Armada upset ushered in a wave of A level players getting god tier tech skill and that the top player pool got wider because of it, when, around this same time, Hbox became the clear number 2 and then number 1 when Armada left. On the one hand, there is more depth in players with the increased tech skill and everyone is getting closer. On the other hand, the guy that couldn't jump cancel grab was number one in the world

[@maelstrom218]

My hot take: the fizzwiggle/mang0 set should be S tier. Not because it's necessarily hype the way that n0ne/m2k was, but because it's establishing the precedent of the Slippi era: that a relative unknown can take on a top 10 player and potentially pull off an upset. People tend to forget that Melee's LAN nature made the game incredibly insular for well over a decade--places were region locked, competition was sparse if you weren't living in a major metropolitan area, and it was difficult to learn and improve without the propagation of content that YT now provides. Slippi and UnclePunch has basically upended the entire Melee paradigm. Now that people have spent their 2+ COVID years grinding on Slippi, regions are less of a thing, overall skill level has increased, and new names are up-and-coming. So yeah, fizzwiggle's win itself isn't mindblowing. But what it represents? It's in S, for sure.

[@rupmatt]

I think it's too soon to tell. Mang0 is also bustering out lately due to not feeling much passion for the game. we don't ha e enough future data to tell if this is really setting a precedent or not.

[@eboobooboo2348]

Mew2king in the crewbattle crazyreturns vs east coast is still one of my favourites.

[@ProfCube]

Toph and scar Pog

[@patoa3481]

If you're gonn mention Hbox ypu should've went with Hbox vs Albert. Back then Hbox was dominant as hell and having a Falco beat him game 5 was nuts

[@AutumnReel4444]

LOVE Scar TOoph married bitching LOL. Amazing!

[@minizimi3790]

I'm really surprised Leffen vs Plup Samus and Hbox vs Wizzy (Optic Arena) wasn't on here. Those were the first two that came to mind, and were each pretty big. I do love the Amsa vs M2K one though.

[@andrewwebb624]

I think the silent spectre upset counts I think armada is just johning, if you think about it silent spectre ALSO had to deal with 0.9

[@benfen97]

I love scar!

[@BrynIE1127]

I wish scar would just talk forever, about whatever, just speak your mind, Robert

[@tewr024]

SCAR! BOBBY SCARDUZIO!!!!

[@slpn2314]

i remember that one of the first melee tourneys i saw was the kings of cali where amsa beat m2k so that will always be the biggest upset to me

[@zenothys9119]

“It’s Lud and Slime” *Cuts out 10 minutes of trash talking*

[@SoLinkSmash]

Day 44 of asking GG Melee to make a compilation of every time n0ne says “Zain...” like a disappointed parent

[@mlgmcdonaldsland7063]

Bobby Toph collab 😍

[@dailysolve]

Love scar

[@KevinHernandez-xd3ch]

Scarrrrrrre

[@shoyupacket5572]

For me the number 1 is Lovage vs. Leffen. I watched it live online and that shit was so hype.

[@FoliumSakura]

PP was just waiting to say juiced this entire video. The excite at getting to say juiced was hype

[@Muffinfist]

Pretty surprised Zain vs. Leffen at Smash n' Splash 3 isn't on this list

[@Hyperion856]

Any win over Armada will be top for me. He was the absolute #1 of melee for a very long time in my mind.

[@RundasTheGreat]

Apex 2018? You sure about that?

[@Eval999]

Scar and toph bicker like brothers

[@g33p61]

why do you guys care that mango beat Taj after losing to him but you guys don't even care that Ken beat chillin in losers and won the tournament

[@ballertheking1038]

because ken was the clear best player in the world and it wasn't debated while mang0 was coming back and doing it with a brand new character (also chillin didn't get 4 stocked in brutal fashion)

[@FirePuff12]

No the Falcon was set 1, Falco Puff was set 2.

[@yahalloo6427]

SCARRR

[@holyfriedmonkey]

Any scar is good scar 👍

[@AdzNecromancer]

Albert v. Peak Hbox should have been on this list.

[@Gabaghoul]

I think the armada silentspectre set should be S because of how often it was talked about years after. Every time armada went to game 5 and just barely beat a non-top 6 player (s2j, axe, wizzy, etc), people *always* mentioned how it hasn’t happened since silentspectre. Maybe that doesn’t impact the ranking of the upset very much idk

[@il100374]

DID THEY NOT GO OVER ALBERT VS. HBOX AT LOW TIER CITY 7???? Pretty sure Albert wasn't even ranked at the time

[@captainfalconmain6576]

Upsets they didn’t mention ryobeat > wizzy at genesis 7 hboxmango at evo

[@cise3895]

That ending lmaoooo

[@ballertheking1038]

HOW IS ALBERT VS HBOX NOT ON THE LIST??

[@ballertheking1038]

albert was LITERALLY UNRANKED beating the best player in the world and beat him in a BO5.

[@_Majunior]

@@ballertheking1038 yeah kind of ridiculous. Greatest upset imo

[@DJFracus]

There was a lot of criminal omissions. Armada vs M2K at Genesis 1 was massive. They even mention it a couple of times in the video, that's how influential it was.

[@SkillsofAWESOMENESS]

Harry Pogger vs Hbox was absolutely snubbed

[@SKITZ_MONEY]

I think the asteroid was the biggest upset in dinosaur history